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"I'm a big fan of Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I was introduced to it by my uncle from my early childhood, I remember that he read Tolkien to me instead of the standard fairy tales.
Here I prepared free essay samples https://eduzaurus.com/free-essay-samples/ on the theme of Lord of the Rings, if necessary, so as not to lose a lot of time, and I spilled my inspiration. Always had the urge to reveal this theme, I think to prepare something else similar on Star Wars."
MERP Thread
Who else played the old Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? Probably my favorite system as it isn't like stupid D&D with hit, lose 20 HP, heal, gain 15 HP. ICE did a pretty good job on the world too. Great maps and good sourcebooks. Adventures were decent. I always liked that they kept everything low fantasy as magic in Middle Earth is super rare.
Christopher Tolkien Dead at Age 95
https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2020/01/christopher-tolkien-has-died/
ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.
For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.
For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.
It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.
https://filmschoolrejects.com/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-misses-the-point-of-middle-earth/
Is the general public going to be set against the Amazon LotR series from the start?
Tolkien music thread
Post your favorite Tolkien related music.
Stuff from movie or game soundtracks, recreations of songs that are in the books, songs that mention Tolkien characters, etc.
Here is Tolkien himself singing "Namarie" (Galadriel's Lament in Lorien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkuHrD_xlJY
For those that haven't heard of it, check out "The Road Goes Ever On" song cycle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Goes_Ever_On
>With Tolkien's approval, Donald Swann wrote the music for this song cycle
>The sole exception is the Quenya song "Namárië," which was based on a tune by Tolkien himself
Led Zeppelin famously has a few references to Tolkien's work in their songs. "Ramble On" being the most obvious one with it's mentions of Mordor and Gollum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NFaQcTJsg
Billy Boyd's "The Last Goodbye" he wrote for Jackson's shitty Hobbit movies is gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ir8rVl2Z4
And I love the soundtracks to the LOTR movie trilogy so much I'm actually having trouble choosing a track to post.
Audiobooks
Post any audiobooks you can find.
The Lord of the Rings J.R.R. Tolkien Audiobook Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF_ZgQREQrU
AUDIOBOOK J.R.R. Tolkien The Silmarillion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDvzzVUzR0s
https://archive.org/details/FOTR22chapter/01+-+A+Long-Expected+Party+(2014).mp3
/elf/ Elf General - Guardians of Virtue Edition
Tolkien's elves served as an ideal to strive for. They were presented as beautiful, guardians of heritage and history, trustworthy and idealistic. This thread examines the post-modernist war against fantasy.
Post-modernism: A late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.
Deconstruction: A philosophical movement and theory of literary criticism that questions traditional assumptions about certainty, identity, and truth; asserts that words can only refer to other words; and attempts to demonstrate how statements about any text subvert their own meanings.
Tolkien biographical film
>Hollywood movie directed by a man whose claim to fame is directing a Finnish version of "The Hangover", a movie about a skinhead who falls in love with a former coalburner, and the Tom of Finland movie.
I hadn't even heard of this until I saw the poster for it the other day. Were you guys aware of this and just ignoring it because you knew it would be shit?
ITT : Tolkien's work theological points
Let's post and discuss it.
I will begin :
>Melkor can't create life only Eru can really create. Which mean all being depends on God, even the devils being, Melkor only being able to sing his partition God gave him by distorting. Only God being able to create ex nihilo, the mystery of the souls being God's secret.
>Melkor is attracted by the void,… The evil is only void, which comes from traditional theology (the wrong is just a lack of being). I think Tolkien took that from saint Thomas Aquinas. Sins being the fact of being attracted to less being.
>Eru say to Melkor (Satan) he is just making the song that is cosmological history better whith what he think is in opposition. There is no opposition possible to God and his salvation plan, all will be his servant, even against their will.
>Gandalf say he have pity of orc
>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work.
We should not find theological points everywhere in Tolkien's work, that would be abuse as it's not a traditional myth, but we should find good christian moral points like the last I putted. Feel free to post them.
Tolkien's Great Grandson the Jew
J.R.R. Tolkien’s Great Grandson Nicholas Tolkien is a Religious Jew
>The famous author J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit, the lord of the Rings and more classics was known for his love for the Jews. The Nazi’s sent him a questionnaire wanting to know about his lineage and if it was ‘tainted with Jewish blood’. If he was a ‘pureblood’ with no Jewish lineage they would allow his books to be published in Germany. (Remember those shameful days?) He answered: “I understand you want to know if I’m from Jewish descent. I can only say that regretfully none of my forebears came from this gifted nation.”
>If he was pained not coming from Jewish descent he would now be pleased to know that he has two Jewish descendants and one of them is an observant Jew who keeps Shabbat and Kosher.
>This descendant that is garnering attention in the media lately is Nicholas Tolkien, a 27 year old playwright and director who produced a play currently being shown called ‘Terezin’ which describes life in the Theresienstadt concentration camp from the eyes of a child.
>Nicholas researched the Theresienstadt concentration camp for 5 years and he also visited there. He describes it as being “full of the ghosts of the past.” The play he wrote about girls in the camo that survived only because of their courageous friendship, is based on stories he heard firsthand from survivors who were children in the camps and on the book “There Are No Butterflies Here” which is a collection of poems and drawings from the children of the Theresienstadt ghetto from 1942-1944.
Would Tolkien be proud?
Tolkien racist agains orcs
A fantasy writer asserts that author J.R.R. Tolkien embedded themes of racism in his eternal classics The Lord of the Ring and The Hobbit by depicting orcs and similar creatures as races of evil, inferior brutes
Author Andy Duncan offered this opinion during an interview on the Wired Magazine podcast ‘Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy.’
“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others,” Duncan said. “And this seems to me, in the long term — if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society.“A lot of these creatures that were raised out of the earth had not a great deal of choice in the matter of what to do,” he added. “I have this very complicated sense of the politics of all that.”
Duncan seemed to draw oblique correlations between the plight of Tolkien’s grotesque villains and the on-going migrant crisis, specifically the situation unfolding at the southern border of the United States.“It is easier to demonize one’s opponents than to try to understand them and to understand the complex forces that are leading to, for example, refugees trying to cross one’s southern border legally or illegally,” Duncan said. “It’s easier to just build walls and demonize them as ‘scum.'
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/geeksguide336final.mp3
Christopher Tolkien resigns from the Tolkien Estate
Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE
This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.
When and how did the Elves figure out incest was bad? They already have the taboo against cousin-kissing when there was barely any cousins to kiss around. Preference for exogamy in the elven nobility is easy to explain: relatives became instant friends and allies. Fëanor's sons never had many friends outside other Noldor. Still, it doesn't explain the strict ban on cousin-marriages. Many a woe would have been avoided if they would have let the resident Elliot Rodger Maeglin score. Him being a mongrel person of diverse heritage, it shouldn't have resulted in harelips just yet.
Or perhaps it would. Negative recessive traits perhaps don't fit the description of Elves healthier in body than humans, but neither are they perfect. Maybe original orcs were what happened when Elves inbred. It would fit Tolkien's inspiration of orcs from the low class scum of Britain. Blaming Melkor for the creation of orcs might not be entirely correct; it could have been the hillbilly Avari fucking their sisters that started the orcish blight.
References to Tolkien's Legendarium in other media
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Fist_of_Tulkas
Tolkien's Elves do not have extra-martial Sex ever.
>If they have Sex with an unmarried person, they basically just completed their wedding ceremony and they become husband-elf and wife-elf.
>Also if you rape Elves they soul goes into so much shock that they outright leave their body and die
>Also Elves would probably be extremely against Abortion of Elven Children with probably a "what race is it", if it comes to Mordor-Immigrants, because they think that life starts the moment semen leaves the balls and hits the egg inside the She-Elf.
>Because instead of birthdays, the Elves celebrate the day they were fucked into existance.
>Also it's completly impossible to ever get a divorce with your Elven-Waifu.
>Not even in the afterlife.
>If you managed to fuck an Elf consentually, she will follow you into the human version of the Afterlife to be with you forever. There is no escaping your waifu.
>I also doubt they have the concept of martial rape, so even that loophole wouldn't save you from her either.
So you might think that Elves probably don't have Sex a lot, if they can pinpoint the day they had sex at 1 year ago, which is true, but your Elf-Waifu would probably have enough sense of duty to fullfill her martial duties with you as a Human.
Anyway I am not so sure about the rape loophole though, so better hope that it's not rape according to the feminist definition of rape.
Btw Elves are at a very limited expiration date by times they appear in the book, because they start to fade into the spritual world. So they become invisible. But that doesn't necessarily have to put and end to the possibility of marrying an Elf.
>The Company of the Ring shall be Nine, and the Nine Walkers shall be set against the Nine Riders that are evil
The only reason the Fellowship didn't have any high elven champions was Elrond's pointless (were they going take turns fighting the nazguls one on one?) number autism after all the slots were taken by the useless midget package and some dudes that happened to be going in the same general direction on their way home. Glorfindel might not have been able to storm Barad-dûr, but he sure could have tag-teamed the balrog with Gandalf. No bullshit about Gandalf being meant to die at Moria. That divine providence nonsense gets contrived enough with God's plans hinging on a random hobbit letting a dangerous critter live for no apparent reason century before its completely unpredictable actions end up being needed in a completely unforseen context.
After this reread, I have become convinced the Wise just didn't give a shit. Elrond propably was indifferent to whether Sauron won or not as both eventualities would have been unpleasant for him personally. Sauron is defeated, Elrond loses his retirement home and daughter; Sauron wins, Elrond slowly loses his clientele but doesn't have to wait to the end of the physical universe before reuniting with his daughter.
I'm asking this as somebody new to Tolkien's works. Besides the Hobbit and LotR, which of his other works should I read next?
Anything that isn't directly Middle-earth related but still in the same spirit?
I heared some of his posthumously published works got changed, anything I should avoid?
Lastly, are there any books worth reading that are based on- or about his works but written by somebody else?
Did anyone else think this scene was great, in spite of its differences from the books? Originally Theoden is manipulated via simple deceitful words on the part of Wormtongue, but in the films it’s as if said evil vizier is seeding some kind of possession.
Yeah it’s melodramatic, but it makes the differences between Gandalf & Saruman stand starkly out, and adds to Aragorn’s understanding of what it is to be a king.
Plus the whole “what works for literature don’t always work for film” axiom etc.
/arda/, don't you sometimes wish you could just go on an adventure?
Years ago, I saw a thread on 4/tg/ where some guy was going to take his donkey, a shortsword, some primitive supplies, food, and a pipe, and just head out to the mountains. Ever since, I've wanted to do something like that.
Is it even possible anymore? Where would you do it? How would you do it? What would you bring with you?
The Lord of the Rings: the board game
Did anyone ever play this?
I used to play it years ago and it was pretty based as far as i remember, one of the best cooperative board games i've ever played, i should still have it somewhere in my basement…
The expansions also look interesting, some add new game mechanics and scenarios, making the game longer and more intriguing, and if i recall correctly one even lets one player play as Sauron, unfortunately though i never had any of those
Also, general Tolkien-based board games thread
Music about Middle-Earth
What are some albums that capture the feel and essence of the works of JRR Tolkien?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmxtRgJrMuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8eXLPR-ei4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxYA5kLG8Tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgLFdNSwks
The New Shadow
>The New Shadow was an incomplete sequel (approximately 13 pages) to The Lord of the Rings that J.R.R. Tolkien quickly abandoned. It is set in the time of Eldarion, Aragorn's son, approximately 105 years after the Fall of the Dark Tower. In it is mentioned the Dark Tree, and two new characters: Saelon and Borlas.
I just found out about this and I was wondering about your thoughts on it.
Imagine being Christopher Tolkien in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Peter Jackson, your fuckin' directing fine, all progressive with your elf warrior woman OC and horrific CGI Legolas brick jumping. I would totally have sex with you, both my father and me." when all he really wants to do is piece together another 60 year old manuscript in his study. Like seriously imagine having to be Christopher and not only sit in that chair while Jackson flaunts his disgusting original characters in front of you, the CGI barely concealing that all the soldiers have the same face, and just sit there, scene after scene, hour after hour, while actors performed those lines. Not only having to tolerate this monstrous fucking visage but his haughty attitude as everyone on set tells him he's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, THE HOBBIT IN 48 FPS LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his fat fucking gremlin hands contort your fathers legacy into types of bullshit you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been doing nothing but reading a healthy diet of your fathers myths and songs and later alleged memes for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in England. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the parkinsons that's breaking out on Billy Connolies CGI face as Jackson phones it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "revolutionary (for that is what he calls it" story, the story your father worked so hard for decades ago. And then the producer calls for another extended cut, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the cinema security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Tolkien. You're not going to tarnish your fathers work over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
Song and Poetry
A few years back, I decided to make it my tradition to reread The Lord of the Rings around this time of year, when the weather turns cold. I'm making my way through book two of the Fellowship now. And what has struck me now are the bits of poetry and song throughout the books.
Now, when I first read the books as a kid, I really glossed over this stuff. I've never had a good feel for rhythm, and I've never been able to appreciate poetry. But I feel like I appreciate it a lot more now. Not only is it a neat way that Tolkein adds depth to his world, and gives us snippets about the deeds of the elder days, but it says something about the characters who compose and recite them. It seems like everyone can recite these poems from memory at the drop of a hat. Bilbo spends his retirement composing and reciting poems for the entertainment of the elves. Even Sam can quote verse about the fall of Gil Galad in the last alliance.
I’m sure this stems from the influence Tolkein took from the epic poems of the eddas and the Finnish Kalevala and such.
I thought I had a point when I started writing this, but my mind has wandered. I just like the view of a society that values poetry, and makes it such a basic part of their culture.
"Do you like what you doth see . . . ?" said the voluptuous elf-maiden as she provocatively parted the folds of her robe to reveal the rounded, shadowy glories within. Frito's throat was dry, though his head reeled with desire and ale. She slipped off the flimsy garment and strode toward the fascinated boggie unashamed of her nakedness. She ran a perfect hand along his hairy toes, and he helplessly watched them curl with the fierce insistent wanting of her. "Let me make thee more comfortable," she whispered hoarsely, fiddling with the clasps of his jerkin, loosening his sword belt with a laugh. "Touch me, oh… touch me…," she crooned. Frito's hand, as though of its own will, reached out and traced the delicate swelling of her elf-breast, while the other slowly crept around her tiny, flawless waist, crushing her to his barrel chest. "Toes, I love hairy toes," she moaned, forcing him down on the silvered carpet. Her tiny, pink toes caressed the luxuriant fur of his instep while Frito's nose sought out the warmth of her precious elf-navel.
"But I'm so small and hairy, and . . . and you're so beautiful," Frito whimpered, slipping clumsily out of his crossed garters. The elf-maiden said nothing, but only sighed deep in her throat and held him more firmly to her faunlike body.
"There is one thing you must do for me first," she whispered into one tufted ear.
"Anything," sobbed Frito, growing frantic with his need. "Anything!"
She closed her eyes and then opened them to the ceiling. "The Ring," she said. "I must have your Ring."
Frito's whole body tensed. "Oh no," he cried, "not that! Anything but . . . that."
"I must have it," she said both tenderly and fiercely. "I must have the Ring!"
Frito's eyes blurred with tears and confusion. "I can't," he said. "I mustn't!" But he knew resolve was no longer strong in him. Slowly, the elfmaiden's hand inched toward the chain in his vest pocket, closer and closer it came to the Ring Frito had guarded so faithfully . . .
Is this exclusively Tolkien, or would it be okay to talk about other fairy tale/fantasy works of similar nature? Because I've never found a board where I could get a good discussion going about Walter Moers Zamonia books. Obviously they're nowhere near as deep or intricate as Middle Earth but I've always loved how crazy and imaginative the world building is, with a society of Dinosaur poets, and talking waves that drive people insane, and emergency first responder Pterodactyls. Has anyone else here read them?
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>what is 24?
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>Why did you advertise here?
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Tell me about Tolkien in modern literature. Do universities and colleges hate Tolkien? Have you seen any examples lately of his work being put down by liberals?
I saw pic related on /v/ a little bit ago-
>It wasn't written by an old, white man in the trenches of World War I.
Any more of this shit?
What is Operation Golden Age?
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So guys, I have this copy of the Simarillion that I kind of want to turn into a small little "bible" of Tolkien texts, mostly poems not featured on it.
To do this I'd have to write on it. Naturally I'm intending to practice and I'll using a dipping pen, but I'm kind of straining with the idea of writing in a book. Was always thought never to do such things besides in schoolbooks.
LOTR Crossover thread. Post all of the crossover ideas that you'd like to see here faggots.
Crossover with White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade:
>>Vampires who have achieved Golconda use MAGICK to escape to Middle Earth in order to avoid Gehenna. Takes place some time in the middle of the Third Age.
Crossover with Fallout:
>>Pre-war techno magical portal by VAULTEC found by the Lone Wanderer, Sole Survivor or Courier. Ends up in arda and starts contrasting the living world with the sad post-apocalyptic shithole that is Fallout. Portal was supposed to be used by the US government to evacuate the planet before the bombs fell, but could not be tested on time. Lone Wanderer, Sole Survivor or Courier arrives shortly after the events of The Hobbit.
Highlander Crossover.
>>Some immortal ends in Arda.
So what about /arda/? What kind of crossovers would you like to see?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11093650
Also, as a question I've been nesting for a while, could the Arkenstone be the Silmarillion that was cast into the Earth? Could there at least be some kind of relation?
Tolkien and Counterculture
Any oldfags out there who can speak to Tolkien's role in counterculture in the '60s and '70s?
I know he hated the hippies, calling them a "deplorable cultus", and I think I once heard of him referring to them as his "misguided children" (though I can't find sauce on that right now), but I'd like to get some perspective from someone who was around back then. The only perspective I currently have is from my Dad, who was a non-degenerate halfway-hippie, the kind who appreciated Tolkien from his Catholic background as much as for its anti-industrial and anti-war themes, and who carved "Frodo Lives" in the walls of shelters in the Adirondacks during week-long backpacking trips instead of spray-painting it in the cities.
And, perhaps even more importantly, what role does Tolkien play now in counter-culture? It seems like /pol/ embraces him, despite his hatred of nazi ideology, simply for the purity of his Anglo-Saxon mythology.
Sauron did nothing wrong
This is a reminder, that Sauron did nothing wrong - he has been maligned by the narcoterrorist gang led by Gandalf.
…
"Enough, halfling!" Boromir™ said after some time. "I'll not
debate thy strange and decidedly post-medieval political views with thee.
Know then, that thou hast been most foully deluded and cozened by the base
lies of Sauron."
"Liar!" Sam flung back. "I know for a fact that you're a
narcoterrorist and an accomplice of Gandalf the Gruesome. And I'm
Lenindil, the Heir of Isildur!"
…
I assume some of you here already… Know.
Sorry if this ruins anyone's life, or leads you on a dark path. Sorry if it disenchants you from Tolkien's work. This curious underneath of Tolkien's work is what drew me into his Hermetic Dreamworld in the first place, I sought truth before my premature death 3 years ago and I found some unbelievable truth (About his work and our world, together). Beware though, this is also an inward journey.
Lord of the Rings, the Esoteric Agenda
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdZMrbE4t3k
Languages
Has anyone here really studied and learned Tengwar or Kazad?
I know that are some websites devoted to it and some shit like that, but for the more normal people, does anyone really went that deep?
I remember being able to write my name and some small phrases, never truly memorized the whole alphabet.
