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ITT : Tolkien's work theological points Anonymous 12/19/18 (Wed) 13:00:38 No.1990

Let's post and discuss it.

I will begin :

>Melkor can't create life only Eru can really create. Which mean all being depends on God, even the devils being, Melkor only being able to sing his partition God gave him by distorting. Only God being able to create ex nihilo, the mystery of the souls being God's secret.

>Melkor is attracted by the void,… The evil is only void, which comes from traditional theology (the wrong is just a lack of being). I think Tolkien took that from saint Thomas Aquinas. Sins being the fact of being attracted to less being.

>Eru say to Melkor (Satan) he is just making the song that is cosmological history better whith what he think is in opposition. There is no opposition possible to God and his salvation plan, all will be his servant, even against their will.

>Gandalf say he have pity of orc

>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work.

We should not find theological points everywhere in Tolkien's work, that would be abuse as it's not a traditional myth, but we should find good christian moral points like the last I putted. Feel free to post them.

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Anonymous 12/19/18 (Wed) 13:13:00 No.1991

>>1990

>>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work

He said he didn't make an allegorical work

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Anonymous 12/19/18 (Wed) 13:13:55 No.1992

>>1990

You're that one guy from those other threads aren't you?

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Anonymous 12/19/18 (Wed) 13:31:38 No.1994

>>1991

Indeed, and that he didn't think theologically in the first time.

Also the fact he dismissed allegories is quite interesting. Allegories are none traditional subjective and poor symbols. And he was thinking in symbols. That's a big difference between mythological high-quality stories and poor fantasy work. Religion/traditional thinking don't use allegories but symbols. I think it prove his superiority over all others after him.

>>1992

I posted in the thread about Tolkien's opinion on jews.

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Anonymous 12/19/18 (Wed) 22:51:32 No.1999

>>1994

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”

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Anonymous 02/22/19 (Fri) 21:26:17 No.2112

>>1999

>varied applicability to the thought & experience of its readers

This is the keystone of the question of inner meaning in JRRT’s legendarium. None was put in deliberately, with a desire to preach (like say Narnia or Pilgrim’s Progress).

Instead, he stated that he knew these themes were widespread in western literature and should be embraced & contemplated-upon. It is not wrong to say “X symbolizes Y”, only to say “Tolkien meant X to mean Z, so all other evaluations are invalid”.

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Anonymous 02/22/19 (Fri) 21:28:10 No.2113

>Gandalf day he have pity of orc

Don’t forget guys: pitiable ≠ deserving

Being a victim does not entitle one to anything

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