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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.2228 [Open thread]

Previous BO abandoned the board, I've claimed it to keep it free from spam. Post suggestions/meta comments, complaints and questions here.

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 No.2328

If you're still here, did you make the /arda/ board on smuglo.li?

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 No.1549 [Open thread]

Anyone else notice the multiple anti-lotr posts on /tv/?

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 No.1826

Yeah, but keep in mind there are people who think superhero movies are the finest fiction available.

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 No.1829

File: 40da2ca3fbdb33d⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 74.38 KB, 762x707, 762:707, banned from tv.png)

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 No.1974

>>1825

hur hur hur

the potter movies are good and hackson got lucky with fellowship considering everything hes made since

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 No.2330

>>1549

What are u talking about? Most lotr threads are stupid questions answered a thousand times by autists

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 No.2332

/tv/ is the board I get banned from the most. No reason to post there.

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 No.2331 [Open thread]

"I'm a big fan of Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I was introduced to it by my uncle from my early childhood, I remember that he read Tolkien to me instead of the standard fairy tales.

Here I prepared free essay samples https://eduzaurus.com/free-essay-samples/ on the theme of Lord of the Rings, if necessary, so as not to lose a lot of time, and I spilled my inspiration. Always had the urge to reveal this theme, I think to prepare something else similar on Star Wars."

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 No.2044 [Open thread]

Who else played the old Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? Probably my favorite system as it isn't like stupid D&D with hit, lose 20 HP, heal, gain 15 HP. ICE did a pretty good job on the world too. Great maps and good sourcebooks. Adventures were decent. I always liked that they kept everything low fantasy as magic in Middle Earth is super rare.

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 No.2066

>>2045

It's actually very fun to play. We always stayed away from certain things tho. Like the war of the ring, elves, dwarves and classic fireball magic. We only played as humans or hobbits. You also need a harsh game system like Rolemaster etc. with injuries to make combat hard and punishing. LotR is not suitable for hack n slay. Also travelling was always a big part of the adventures. There are so many source books and adventures that you really don't need to come up with everything.

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 No.2080

Post some of the gamebooks, OP.

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 No.2084

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 No.2305

>>2084

You can find it in it's entirety on the trove. I remember there was also a website that had some fan made content as well but alas I have forgotten it's name and cannot find it.

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 No.2329

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Nazgul waifu

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 No.2306 [Open thread]

>will follow Gollum after he finds the One Ring but before he meets Bilbo in The Hobbit.

>Narrative adventure game with some emphasis on player choice

Thoughts?

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 No.2323

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A couple of screenshots for this game surfaced today. Not much news about it besides that it is scheduled for release sometime in 2021 and will be available on PC, PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X.

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 No.2324

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 No.2325

>>2324

Graphics look good enough and I like the stylised visuals. I can only hope they do not take anything away from the main series.

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 No.2326

I thought they weren't going to base gollum on the movie version

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 No.2327

>>2322

shut up gollum is based

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 No.2309 [Open thread]

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 No.2312

>>2309

95 is a repectable age to go

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 No.2313

RIP Chris and the whole estate

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 No.2314

About time. Now Tolkien's family can finally profit from his hard work before it starts to decay into public domain.

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 No.2320

>>2309

So sad. He was a great curator.

>>2314

>About time. Now Tolkien's family can finally profit from his hard work before it starts to decay into public domain.

What appalling cynicism.

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 No.2321

>>2320

>So sad. He was a great curator.

This. I'm glad he got to sort and publish his father's work so that everybody can experience it like he did.

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 No.1615 [Open thread]

Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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 No.2092

Why didn't Ilúvatar bitchslap some sense into Morgoth.

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 No.2156

>>1921

>Thinks he's not falling for the argument from abstraction or it's cousin the continuum fallacy

<Literally appeals to the continuum fallacy

>He thinks pointing out the fact that materialist models literally CANNOT explain consciousness in any way, shape or form is saying consciousness "is magic"

How did such a brainlet ever make it through a book as long as the lord of the rings?

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 No.2303

>>1619

The Valar can't do so much as piss without upheaving continents. Did you not pay attention to what happened to Beleriand? Taking on the Numenorean arsenal means saying goodbye to Valinor - the collateral damage would be so great that the elves and the thousands of years of history they shared on the continent would be gone within a few months. The Valar would win, but it would be the ultimate Pyrrhic victory.

Finally, Ar-Pharazôn's doom is to fight in the Dagor Dagorath and having the Valar murder him and his fleet would undermine that doom, potentially shifting the final results to a Morgoth victory. Mandos would realize this and caution Manwe accordingly.

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 No.2317

>>1963

Why did the mods do this?

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 No.2318

>>2092

Doesn't need to. Morgoth's shenanigans achieve nothing in the end.

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 No.1419 [Open thread]

can we have a thread on middle earth themed vidya? pre-jackson films games more specifically

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 No.2183

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>>1419

Turns out there was quite a few of them

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 No.2307

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A while ago I was looking through the Golden Joystick Awards from the 1980s to see what people considered the best games of the period and I noticed Beam Software's The Hobbit text adventure won best strategy game at the 1983 Golden Joystick Awards. I ended up playing Beam Software's The Hobbit out of curiosity and ended up enjoying it more than I thought I would as I am not terribly familiar with text adventures and I even cleared the game with 96% completion. Good enough for me.

I then saw Beam Software made three more games based on The Lord of the Rings (The Fellowship of the Ring, Shadows of Mordor, and Crack of Doom). I started playing the DOS version of Fellowship but I'm stuck on the part where you have to follow Strider around while three Black Riders make seemingly random appearances. I got the scroll from the monastery/observatory area and when speaking the words from the scroll while having the characters holding the elfstones I end up killing Merry for some reason. I'm not sure why.

I can see why text adventures would die out once LucasArts' point and clicks became popular in the early 1990s since LucasArts games were simpler, less complex and the verb menus were easy to understand. The Fellowship of the Ring text adventure understands more words compared to The Hobbit text adventure, but Fellowship of the Ring doesn't have some of the random AI aspects like The Hobbit had. When you were waiting around in The Hobbit, Thorin or Gandalf could come and go and get into fights by himself, or when you were underneath the Misty Mountains, goblins could randomly appear and capture you. So that kept The Hobbit text adventure more interesting.

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 No.2308

How good is Battle for Middle Earth? itching for a LOTR strategy game

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 No.2315

>>2308

Not really what you were asking, but the LotR mod for Medieval 2 Total War is pretty fun. But admittedly, I get off from the meaty cavalry charges in the base game, so I particularly enjoy playing with special units like the nazgul-led black numenorian knights. Mordor faction is like smashing a powered hammer on an anvil made from papier-mâché (the orcs).

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 No.2316

>>2315

Really can't get into total war but I might give it a go.

I think I'll give the Crusader Kings 2 mod a try too, now that its a little more updated.

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 No.735 [Open thread][Last 50 Posts]

ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.

For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.

For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.

It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.

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 No.2278

>>901

What about Yvette Mimieux? She was really beautiful.

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 No.2293

Sauron and Gandalf's wizard fight in Fellowship consists of a series of force-shoves until one of them gives up. They might as well have played the South Park variant of roshambo.

Boromir's characterization is ruined.

No Tom Bombadil (fuck you, there's tons of lighthearted toneshifts in the movie as is).

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 No.2294

>>2293

Yeah that weird jedi duel is lame as fuck and smacks of needing to add action into the movie

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 No.2299

i did not watch the movies. i mean why would i, i have already read the books

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 No.2300

Just verifying board functionality but flood detection is on my ass.

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 No.1060 [Open thread]

Psst.

Psst, hey Melkor. Yo.

Melkor.

What's in your other hand?

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 No.2013

>>2012

Hello again

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 No.2014

Oh fuck fedora tippers are about to derail this thread like they derailed the Elrond thread.

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 No.2015

>>2014

Did you even read this over a year old thread? Most of the talk is about pockets, not anything in the OP.

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 No.2298

>>1987

so is christian God, yet Leviathan, another monster is something he doesnt recognize as his own creation.

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 No.2302

>>1984

She's either

A). A powerful Maia, maybe even the most powerful of the Maiar.

B). The primordial darkness leftover from when Eru and the Ainu sang the universe into existence.

As with many things in the legendarium, Tolkien himself contradicts his own writing multiple times depending on the source you read because he didn't make his own ass mind up, creating endless room for fan shitflings.

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 No.1586 [Open thread][Last 50 Posts]

I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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 No.2276

>>2275

It doesn't seem impossible that Sauron was up and about, but based on how the good guys' plan hinged on Sauron assuming the Ring was in Gondor, and how Sauron's metaphorical gaze apparently emanating from his tower is implied to turn from the battle at Black Gate to Mount Doom when Frodo and pals are there, I'd say it would have been a Nazgul or some lesser lieutenant that would have gone to check the ruckus at Cirith Ungol. The orc report wasn't about the Ring, but some elf or sneaky dwarf, after all.

My interpretation is based on the image I have of Sauron at the time as a demented gaffer that has had one too many hits to his head, and really doesn't want to risk another costly bodily death by leaving his tower ever again, similarly to how Morgoth was in the end. I imagine dueling with an elf lord at an unimportant mountain pass would have been one the last things he would have wanted to do.

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 No.2281

>>2276

True. Didn't work out too well for Morgoth when he tried to look like a tough guy in front of his minions when Fingolfin challenged him.

Thinking about it more, it does only mean that the guards of Cirith Ungol were told to report the capture of prisoners and if they had any rings, doesn't mean the message got sent before orcs gonna orc and they all killed each other

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 No.2282

>>2281

>if they had any rings

This part throws me off a bit. How common is the audience supposed to think magical rings actually are? A lot of the behaviour of the characters (like Gandalf taking his sweet time even though he was aware of a ring that turned mortals invisible) only makes sense if there's plenty of magical rings to go around, but we only get to read about the sauronic sixteen plus Three plus One, and Saruman's failed(?) attempts, if I recall correctly.

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 No.2283

>>2282

Magic rings are rare. There are some lesser ones other than the rings of power though.

I think you misread the passage though, it doesn't mean magic rings, it just says report all of their possessions. I only mentioned specifically rings in my reply because it was the only part that was relevant.

Sauron's troops are told to report all clothes, letters, rings etc to disguise what Sauron is actually looking for. IIRC only the nazgul were aware of the ring of power because they couldn't act against Sauron. If the orcs and evil men were told "Hey keep an eye out for this magic ring our Lord needs for his power" then every single soldier in Mordor's armies would be plotting to steal it if it showed up.

TL;DR Magic rings are rare, but not so impossibly rare that Gandalf shat his pants when Bilbo did a magic trick with one and Sauron was hiding his true objectives

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 No.2292

>>2282

From all we know, magic rings are purely from Sauron's coming to Eregion, and neither predate nor postdate it. Sauron being a Maia once under Aule, probably had the ability already under his belt before then. It's hard to imagine that forging magic rings would be beyond the ability of say, the forges of Gondolin which already produced plenty of considerable artifacts in their heyday, but as far as the prose is concerned, rings are purely from Eregion.

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 No.1533 [Open thread]

https://filmschoolrejects.com/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-series-misses-the-point-of-middle-earth/

Is the general public going to be set against the Amazon LotR series from the start?

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 No.2287

>>2286

I'd set it in the years before the Downfall. First few episodes would be worldbuilding and the defeat and capture of Sauron, then the series would follow Sauron worming his way into power as an advisor, focusing on the Faithful's struggles as they were treated worse and worse by the King's Men. Climax and end of the series would be the downfall, final scene would be Elendil and the other survivors establishing Arnor

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 No.2288

>>2287

Taking bets. How many episodes will it take before Ar-Pharazôn declares he will Make Númenor Great Again?

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 No.2289

>>2288

The anti-elf stance of most Númenoreans will be changed to a racism thing for sure. I don't even want to see how many niggers are in it (exclusively on the side of the Faithful of course)

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 No.2290

>>2286

Why does it have to be fanfiction? Unfinished Tales has loads of source material that could be adapted. I'd actually like to see a Fall of Gondolin Miniseries myself

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 No.2291

>>2286

Tolkien abandoned his only narrative set in Numenor for a very good reason: it's just not an interesting enough setting to hold the viewer's imagination captive. It's a paradise island corrupted from within over centuries of covet and lust for further power. Like the traditional Platonic Atlantis story, it tells far more as a parable for mankind rather than as a structured story on the lines of the Hobbit/LoTR or the Children of Hurin.

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 No.189 [Open thread]

Post your favorite Tolkien related music.

Stuff from movie or game soundtracks, recreations of songs that are in the books, songs that mention Tolkien characters, etc.

Here is Tolkien himself singing "Namarie" (Galadriel's Lament in Lorien)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkuHrD_xlJY

For those that haven't heard of it, check out "The Road Goes Ever On" song cycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Goes_Ever_On

>With Tolkien's approval, Donald Swann wrote the music for this song cycle

>The sole exception is the Quenya song "Namárië," which was based on a tune by Tolkien himself

Led Zeppelin famously has a few references to Tolkien's work in their songs. "Ramble On" being the most obvious one with it's mentions of Mordor and Gollum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NFaQcTJsg

Billy Boyd's "The Last Goodbye" he wrote for Jackson's shitty Hobbit movies is gorgeous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ir8rVl2Z4

And I love the soundtracks to the LOTR movie trilogy so much I'm actually having trouble choosing a track to post.

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 No.1527

>>1517

Me too, I could've sworn I'd posted their take on the Song of Durin in here.

>>1526

It absolutely was. I re-watched Fellowship the other day, and Howard Shore hit it right on the money with the score.

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 No.1532

>>1526

Howard Shore's best work in my view.

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 No.1540

>>1526

No matter your opinion on the movies, the soundtrack was a masterpiece.

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 No.2279

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

This is my favorite version of this song.

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 No.2280

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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 No.2215 [Open thread]

Post any audiobooks you can find.

The Lord of the Rings J.R.R. Tolkien Audiobook Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF_ZgQREQrU

AUDIOBOOK J.R.R. Tolkien The Silmarillion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDvzzVUzR0s

https://archive.org/details/FOTR22chapter/01+-+A+Long-Expected+Party+(2014).mp3

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 No.2242

>>2240

It was the Children of Hurin. It's really a joy to listen to. You feel like you're there with the characters. Unfortunately, you can only find it on Audible because YT removed it. Would be great if someone shared it *nudge nudge*.

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 No.2248

'''Unfinished Tales (2000) narrated by Erin Jones: BARD: Braille and Audio Reading Download

'''

https://btbl.library.ca.gov/ca1aopac//title/summary.jsf?id=93719032.3232

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 No.2249

Audiobooks: Tolkien Gateway

There have been several Audiobook editions of J.R.R. Tolkien's work. Years refer to the most recent reissue.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Audiobooks.

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 No.2250

The Hobbit read by Nicol Williamson

https://archive.org/details/NicolWilliamsonHobbit/

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 No.2277

>>2242

Here's a magnet link for it :^)

J. R. R. Tolkien - 2007 - The Children of Hurin [V0]

Read by Sir Christopher Lee

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:941f30c9499b89e49c51438b300253d30bb62364&dn=J.+R.+R.+Tolkien+-+2007+-+The+Children+of+Hurin+%5BV0%5D&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

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 No.1907 [Open thread]

ayy ulmo

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 No.2160

>>1918

the chainmail was better.

Nobody in the Silm wears plate because it hadn't been invented yet. The dwarves made chain and sold it, and that's how they became rich.

until the noldor arrived and copied them

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 No.2163

>>2160

I wouldn't be too eager to take any mention of any technology of the texts set in Third Age times as definitive about the technology used in-setting. Tolkien emulated the style of epics and romances, in which the people of the writer's past are often presented to have been close the same as the writer's contemporaries. People of the late Third Age used chain mail, ergo the text "written" by them feature chain-mail. Who knows what kind of armour (near-)divine smiths actually made in the hoary olden days?

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 No.2164

>>2163

*set in times earlier than Third Age

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>>2160

yeah, middle earth is pretty much a chainmail and spangenhelm setting but i would make an exception for melkor, because he is a god. think about it as him wearing tectonic plates hardened by fire and ice from hell on himself.

as far as i am concerned this guys designs are canon. as in, elves gods, spirits and all that other shit can wear clothes and armor made from leafs, shells and a sound of a stream (or at least can make it look like this) but noldor, humans and dwarfs still go for chainmail in 99% of cases because it is easier to mass produce

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 No.2319

>>2163

Even in earlier revisions where Aelfwine is the disseminating source for the Red Book, there's still no plate. Even in the Fall of Gondolin, written before the very concept of a 'Third Age' is liable to have existed in Tolkien's head, the inventory of Gondolin lists plenty of mail and halberks but no plate armor.

I think it's very unlikely Tolkien ever intended the Noldor to wear plate. The Numenoreans have a better case for it. Full plate armor (e.g. not overlapping plates like lorica segmentata or the dendra panoply) developed on the battefield according to changes in weapon tactics and technology. Namely, the rise of an entire class of skilled users of ranged weapons (first longbows and crossbows, then early firearms) that diminished the utility of traditional mail armor in pitched setpiece battles. The Noldor of the First Age certainly have the metallurgical and infrastructural capacity, but the need is questionable.

Neither Morgoth nor Sauron's orcs are known for being particularly skilled with ranged weaponry. The use of poison and barbed tips suggests that they're not particularly good at hitting their foes, that they need to make every arrow count.

Pitched setpiece battles are also rare in the First Age. There's only six of them, across ~580 years. One doesn't feature the Noldor, one comes just after they arrive from Valinor, another has literal divines plus the Vanyar backing them up. It was far more common, especially during the Siege of Angband years, for Morgoth's orcs to use skirmish and raid tactics instead of devoting resources to pitched battle. In such a circumstance, chain armor has far more utility than plate armor.

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