No.735 [Last50 Posts]
ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.
For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.
For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.
It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.
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No.739
For me, it was the final attempt by Sauron to destroy the army at the Gate: a giant black mass forming in the sky, ready to smash everything in its path, but as soon as it gets within reach, it dissolves with the wind.
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No.740
They didn't portray Faramir very well. I thought he contrasted well with Boromir, highlighting the nobleness that Aragorn descends from.
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No.741
>>739
I don't think that happened in the film.
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No.743
>>741
It didn't, and that's why I'm sad.
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No.744
Probably the lack of the Dúnedain in the final part of Pelennor fields
Really the entire battle was subpar compared to the books.
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No.785
>>744
Seeing The Shire intact by the end of the third film. Having the Hobbits come back to a perfectly fine Shire takes away the gut punch of how long they've been out and things changed for the worse.
**I like the movies mostly for the music and the childhood nostalgia. Don't kill me*
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No.786
The lack of developing friendship between the eventual kings Éomer and Aragorn. That ties to the problems in both the battles of Helm's Deep and Pelennor. Their meeting at the thick of battle after Éomer had abadonned hope of survival and hoped only to die gloriously was really cool.
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No.787
>>786
>>744
The writers of the films mentioned more than once how, even though they put so much focus on Frodo & Aragorn, they still weren't able to get some of their favorite moments onto the final cut.
And yet we wound up with those stupid extended scenes in RotK where the Dunharrow ghosts attack the ships from Umbar through Aragorn, and like twelve minutes of navigating falling skulls.
>>785
>Don't kill me
Relax faggot I liked the music too.
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No.789
>>787
>>785
I think there is actually parts in the first movie that are better than in the book. There's more urgency in the flight from Shire in the beginning when Gandalf hasn't spend a decade doing absolutely nothing while telling Frodo to just fuck off somewhere. Also I think in the extended cut Boromir's desperation is handled really well, but real human Bean has often been great as a tired near hopeless guy.
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No.794
>>789
now that you mention it, Sean Bean really did somehow make Boromir a lot more likable.
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No.801
>>794
Indeed. In the book he seems like a bit of a dick (and weirdly obsessed over the Ring during the boat ride) and we only get to properly understand his motivation later when the war of Gondor is shown and how reliant on Boromir Gondor actually was. Also, in the book Boromir's jump from "I want to use the ring to save my people" to "I want to rule as the greatest King" is quite abrupt. You could argue that it's to show how corrupting the Ring really is, but it does happen very quickly making Boromir seem power hungry instead of desperate.
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No.829
>>735
Regular orcs being the same height as men
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No.837
lack of tom bombadil for starters
i know he's a childish character that has little to do with the plot, but god damn he's the greatest character tolkien has created and i'd love to see him in live action
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No.842
>>837
How is he the greatest character Tolkien ever created?
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No.845
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No.846
>>845
Didn't-even-read-the-damn-book tier, lad.
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No.851
>>846
piss off, goldberry's the ultimate waifu
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No.853
>>851
"lol Bombadil is God" was pure reddit decades before the internet even existed. Remove yourself to >>>/tg/ or where ever you ancient shit memes are welcome.
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No.854
>>853
fine, i'll start hating him from now on if that pleases you
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No.855
>>789
>gandalf
>spent a decade doing absolutely nothing.
Literally everything the characters know about the One Ring was uncovered by him during that period.
Fucking readers expect the whole damn world to march in-step with their perception. Everything about the rings was considered esoteric as shit in-universe.
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No.856
>>829
Fantasy-fiction feeds into itself. Games Workshop, TSR and Blizzard Orcs had become so well-known, their aspects bled into the source material
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No.857
I'm going to spend the rest of my life worrying about wtf Bombadil really is and I'll never know for sure because the subject is surrounded in idiot laughter.
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No.860
and Cate Blanchett cast as Galadriel?
Galadriel was supposed to be fantastically beautiful and fair. Now, Loni anderson in her day would have made a good Galadriel, but not Cate. Sorry, honey.
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No.864
>>860
I just googled that and Jesus Christ please acquire taste. She's ugly even by 3D standards.
Cate isn't necessarily the idyllic beauty ascribed to Galadriel, but she very easily gives an aura of regalness that the character is stated to have.
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No.867
>>864
in her day
When loni was young, not now! Sheesh!
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No.868
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No.870
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No.873
LOTR is impossible to translate into film because it's all about building up the world, you'd have an easier time making an adaptation of homer's odyssey
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No.877
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No.878
>>877
Hardly, she looks good, her features are just really strong instead of soft like people prefer these days.
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No.882
>>873
sadly, yes. I agree. I forgave the huge omissions in the fellowship movie, but at least the main story line was strong.
Let's face it, that one book would take 3 movies to do it justice, as would the others.
Then, the two towers, ech! 10 minutes in I thought I was in the wrong theatre.
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No.901
>>868
Still looks absolutely ugly as sin.
If I had to pick an old actress to play Galadriel, either Audrey Hepburn or if we're allowed to go outside acting, Marlene Dietrich (although most pictures of her are way too burlesque, but in some movies she looks really perfect).
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No.905
>>901
can't picture Marlene as a blonde, nor Audrey, and Galadriel had golden hair
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No.910
>>905
Wasn't Marlene blond?
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No.914
>>882
>first 10 minutes of Two Towers
for all our misgivings, are you about to tell me you were not at least a little entertained by the sequence of Gandalf & Durin's Bane locked in combat together?
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No.915
>>914
One of my favorite parts, visually, from the movies.
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No.917
>>882
I won't deny, i love the trilogy visual wise, every shot is like a painting
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No.918
>hey how do you like that the old twiddly widdlys?
https://youtu.be/2m04j8rRkHw?t=1m17s
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No.919
>>910
damn! Yes. I keep confusing her with Ingrid Bergman. My bad
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No.949
>>740
It clearly wasn't lost on everyone. My mother never opened the books, but she "felt deeply" for Boromir and Faramir, and we actually talked about the contrast between the characters as they appeared in the films. It was a fun thing to bond over.
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No.992
>>735
I agree with you about Grond. Also, it looked retarded. The Rankin Bass Return of the King animation had a better Grond than Jackson's did.
The wargs in the films were terrible and looked like hyenas. Also, the orcs were all kinds of weird colors like pink and lime green in certain scenes.
I did not like how homoerotic they made Sam and Frodo, but that might just be due to what Elijah Wood looks like.
I just don't like the movies very much, I guess, apart from the music and the landscapes.
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No.995
For me it was always how much they nerfed Gandalf in the movies, especially in his encounter with the witch king in the extended edition.
In the book it is pretty much implied, that if he hadn't decided to rescue Faramir from Denethor, he could have saved Theoden from the witch king, ergo he could have defeated him, or at least stalled him.
In the movie Gandalf is pretty much his little bitch, letting him destroy his staff (which, for all we know, makes him defenceless, like in the fight with Saruman) and making a face like he is shitting himself until the arrival of the Rohirrim saves him.
Of course don't get me started on the Hobbit movies, where he was nothing but useless. At least the original trilogy had his badass fight with Durin's Bane, whereas in the Hobbit he has to be rescued like a little bitch, from fucking Galadriel of all people. I'm beginning to think Jackson had a vendetta against his character or something.
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No.996
>>995
Gandalf being easily beaten by Witch-King in the film was another of those concessions for the medium. The point of the scene was to quickly show that the Witch-King was a threat despite Gandalf's presence and because it was a movie they didn't have a satisfactory way of conveying Gandalf's God degreed limitations. This is also why Sauron beats up half an army in the intro and only gets killed by sheer luck when the Ring is cut off.
Now, I feel the convenient arrival of the Rohirrim in the book might have been partly so because Tolkien didn't want to depict the fight between Gandalf and Witch-King. Witch-King shouldn't have been a threat to Gandalf, being merely a post-mortal conjurer of cheap tricks, but how much could Gandalf have done against that advesary? If the Witch-King had channeled his master in desperation while being destroyed by Gandalf, would Gandalf have puffed into smoke and fled back to Aman as punishment for using force against Sauron's force?
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No.1005
>>996
Yeah, you're right about the limitations of the medium, it's just that Gandalf has always been my favourite character since I first read the books as a kid, so his depiction in both trilogies was always one of my main criticisms.
As for Gandalf vs witch-king, even if he couldn't destroy him, he could have probably stalled or distracted him, lock him in combat so he wouldn't be able to do as much damage. Of course, the whole prophecy thing about the witch king not getting killed by a man comes also into play somewhere. Then again, Gandalf wasn't a man either so who knows how it would have all played out.
And now that you mention Sauron, his depiction is one of the other bigger pet peeves of mine, especially in RotK. Instead of using the fiery red eye as a manifestation of his eversearching malicious will that can be seen in dreams and visions or when Frodo uses the ring (like they did in the first movie) later in the trilogy he is nothing more than a literal huge ass eye that sits on top of his tower all day and shines on the land like a giant flashlight. Shit was ridiculous. But again, it's a movie and the average normalfaggot can't handle too much symbolism or the main villain being physically absent for the whole trilogy.
But to be honest, every time I rewatch the trilogy and notice all these flaws, I tell myself that we should still be thankfull for what we ultimately got, and that it could have been so much worse. Just imagine if Disney got their greedy kike-claws on the rights in current year.
>Aragorn the idiotic wisecracking "hero" who has to be saved by his strong and indepentent love interest who don't need no man
>Eowyn is even more of a feminist's wet dream Disney Princess who "just wants more in life"
>one of the side characters, probably Faramir or Eomer, is a nigger with no rhyme or reason
>Sam is openly gay for Frodo
>no moral ambiguity to be found (Boromir, Gollum, Denethor to some degree)
>at least one retarded talking animal sidekick
>no themes of mortality, heroism, camaraderie and sacrifice whatsoever
Remember lads, even though many things are fucked beyond repair, I truly think we dodged a bullet in this case.
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No.1007
>>1005
I think a Disney version of LotR would be more like what they did with The Hobbit, adding stupid love triangles and depicting the dwarves totally out of character etc…
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No.1023
>>878
>her features are just really strong instead of soft like people prefer these days.
>her features are just really strong
>liking strong features on females
You're an androgyne, m8. Strong features are to be found in men, not women. You have shit taste and should never post on the subject again.
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No.1055
One thing I absolutely love is Pippin being played by a Scottish actor, it's genius
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No.1075
Gimli being a joke character. I didn't realise it when I first watched them (as a child) but rewatching bits pretty much every line he has is "lol I'm a bumbling idiot." It ruins epic but comfy feel the story has. It's like they couldn't bear the strain of presenting the whole thing sincerely.
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No.1076
>>1075
Addendum: I haven't read the books in ages either, so I can't say how much this reflects on them. I just think it's a particularly bad aspect of the films.
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No.1078
>>1075
I had the opposite reaction. The tracking shot on the walls of helm's deep of all the Rohirrim looking cold, frightened and dejected, only to pan over Gimli concealed behind the crenelations and hear him complain, somehow felt appropriate.
I'm too dumb right now to say why. It was nice to have one guy in the crew who was amusingly out-of-place here and there.
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No.1082
>>1078
Kill yourself, moviefag.
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No.1083
>>1078
>It was nice to have one guy in the crew who was amusingly out-of-place here and there.
I understand the sentiment, but that's really what the Hobbits are for (among other things, of course).
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No.1084
I can't really get upset about movie Gimli. They needed some comedic material when the hobbits weren't around. And Gimli was comically out of place even in the book, though in more subtle manner. In the book Hornburg siege, while the Men shiver in their chainmails with existensial dread, Legolas and Gimli have a casual competition and don't seem all too worried. While Legolas is from the race of batshit post-Sindar elves, Gimli propably should have had some concern about the impeding doom of the Free Peoples, but instead he has time to look at the sights and apparently enjoy himself.
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No.1086
>>1005
>But to be honest, every time I rewatch the trilogy and notice all these flaws, I tell myself that we should still be thankfull for what we ultimately got, and that it could have been so much worse. Just imagine if Disney got their greedy kike-claws on the rights in current year.
We have The Hobbit and that's the perfect example on how much worse things could've turned out.
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No.1090
>>1086
Nothing will ever be as awful as those shitty bakhsi (how the fuck do you spell that kike's name?) movies,
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No.1092
>>1090
You watch your whore mouth, those were a godsend compared to the live action Hobbit movies.
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No.1098
>>1092
Let's just put it at this: Tolkien cannot be translated into film, animated or live action.
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No.1099
>>995
>Galadriel of all people
I agree with your post in general but Galadriel is a very powerful character. Remember, she's the oldest Elf in Middle-Earth who has seen the light of the Two Trees. I mean she was around when Fëanor went on his wild bling chase. Anyone who's read the Silmarillion knows how powerful the Noldor were back then. Galadriel is the last reminder of that, more powerful than even Elrond or any of the Sindar.
That said her depiction in the Hobbit is a bit off, she's an Elf, not a bloody witch.
>>1098
This tbh
The films are half-decent adaptions and Fellowship is a work of art. Looking at the Hobbit tells us how much things could've gone wrong.
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No.1100
>>1099
>That said her depiction in the Hobbit is a bit off
There really isn't much correct in how the White Council material was stdepicted. Mostly because everything had to be a call-back and connected to LoTR movies in order not to confuse the target audience, which presumably was movie fans too braindead to smell bullshit when it was announced that The Hobbit wasn't going to be one movie but two.
Sauron was still the damn floating eye, even though the movie LoTR dichotomy of Sauron+Ring=mace wielding army killer/Sauron-Ring=impotent light house was unnecessary. Nazguls without robes to bind them to material world weren't completely impotent images, because in LoTR the dead ghosts could kill instead of being just really spooky. Sauron wasn't a ruse master that was already ready to flee Dol Guldur when the White Council got their shit together, because they needed a big fight to show Sauron really was behind it all again. Galadriel needed recognizable nostalgic merchandise- I mean light of Eärendil in a jar to fight off the spooks, even though she personally knew Elbereth and could propably just said her name convincingly enough to make all lesser evil critters scurry back home in a mile radius. And why was Saruman directed as already obviously evil dickhead? That made everyone look even more silly about his betrayal.
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No.1101
>>1099
>Fellowship is a work of art.
For all the things omitted, FOTR was definitely the best of Jackson's trilogy
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No.1103
>>1100
It was all bullshit tbh
The Saruman stuff actually had some book weight behind it (he was already secretly seeking the Ring in competition with Sauron at this point, and the only reason he eventually agreed to force Sauron out of Dol Guldur was to stop him searching Anduin for the Ring). But they made his 'evilness' way too obvious to the point that the other characters would have to be brain dead not to see it.
Everything about the Hobbit films are deeply regretful.
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No.1104
>>1103
It was Saruman's superpower to remain convincing even when obviously malicious. Even though Saruman was doing all sorts of suspicious stuff (can't imagine those orc breeding pits being completely inconspicuous), he suprised Gandalf flatfooted with his betrayal. I just can't imagine him ever being a rude dick until completely and hopelessly denounced. He tried to convince Theoden he dindu nuffin when the king came knocking, and wasn't doing half bad job at it, after all.
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No.1105
>>1101
Bravo Nolan would have done it better.
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No.1106
>>1104
That's true but they overdid it. In the books Saruman's malice comes through more subtly, in his actions and in his counsel to the other White Council members. In the films he's shown as a bwahahaha ebil wizard with no subtlety whatsoever, which makes his portrayal seem dumb compared to the betrayal in LOTR
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No.1107
>>1105
The fellowship had at least two big guys, you've got to give it that
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No.1108
>>1105
Nolan should do a movie about Akallabêth. "Lord Mairon, I'm Numenor", "If I pulled that (Ring) off, would you die?", "Sinking this island…", you know the drill.
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No.1109
>>1105
Baneposting aside, Nolan is a mediocre director and wouldn't do Tolkien justice that being said, the only person/studio I can imagine perfecting LOTR would be Hammer during the 60s, Cushing and Lee included
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No.1110
>>1107
If you look at it from the hobbits perspective, there are plenty of big guys (for them). Bravo Jackson.
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No.1111
>>1110
Tolkien was well aware of the power of big guys. All uplifting always involved growing taller and more imposing. In the end of LoTR Merry and Pippin were the big guys for the hobbits, both literally and figuratively.
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No.1113
>>1106
>>1103
I thought in the movies Saruman wasn't even a traitor yet when the White Council moved against Dol Guldor (which is innacurate but what do you expect).
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No.1114
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No.1154
>>735
The Hobbit did not need to be a fucking trilogy. And fuck the five armies and every ridiculous piece of filler content.
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No.1166
>>1113
Honestly I can't remember and I have no desire to sit through that rubbish again
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No.1184
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No.1185
>>1184
Nobody who actually has read the book likes Bombadil. Tom and his stupid forest not being the worst and most pointless part of the book was a forced meme even back when Tolkien was alive propagated by the dude weed lmao crowd that bought bootleg copies for the wacky cover art and supposed anti-industrial message.
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No.1186
>>1185
>Nobody who actually has read the book likes Bombadil.
Speak for yourself.
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No.1187
>>1185
I savor the chapter with Bombadil, reading it slowly taking in the only high faerie element in LotR.
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No.1188
>>1185
>>1186
>>1187
Evidence that Bombadil is a divisive subject
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No.1190
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No.1194
>>1108
No no, it should be about the greatest hothead, Fëanor.
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No.1288
Having gone through the books recently, I was amazed at just how ACTIVE the three rings of the elves were. It's not obvious, but their actions and powers could be inferred in the many warnings of Elrond, the spontaneous answering of prayers to Galadriel, and Gandalf's fire. It bugged me that they weren't given a sendoff in the films, even before I fully understood their role in the story.
In the films, Saruman muses about the Ring of Barahir, which, as cool and appropriate as it is, is still less relevant to the War of the Ring as the Three were, and doesn't even occur in the books.
I got questioned about them by people who enjoyed the movies but didn't read the books, almost as frequently as I got questioned about the fate of the Arkenstone when the third Hobbit film was released.
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No.1295
Faramir didn't get a fair shake in the movies in my opinion. He's way more noble and interesting in the books. They almost portray him as mean in the movies (at least at first).
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No.1296
>>1288
I've had this thought recently on my yearly reading. I pay attention to Gandalf, he sometimes lets the fellowship sleep while taking on the guard and not rest at all himself. Makes me think the ring was giving him powers of endurance in those times.
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No.1305
>>1295
They really should've kept the deleted scenes of Faramir and Boromir together in Osilgiliath tbh
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No.1430
The fact that during Helm's Deep battle, nobody knew where the fuck Gandalf was, no warning about "the dawn of third day". He just seemed to have vanished when the danger came close, exactly what Wormtongue accused him of doing, at the point that even Theoden doubted again
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No.1486
>>1296
I think all bets are off when considering where Gandalf's innate powers begin and Narya's powers end. There is just not enough to be certain about - just the way I like my magic.
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No.1487
>>1430
I agree, especially as Gandalf had even told Aragon but it's never mentioned or thought of again until he actually shows up
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No.1514
>>882
Which is why the Amazon TV show initially sounded like a good idea to me, because if you'd do it as a show you'd really be able to cover everything.
>>992
>The wargs in the films were terrible and looked like hyenas.
That was part of the point, they wanted to make them a bit more interesting than just giant wolves. Not sure I'm a big fan of the design, but I appreciate it.
>>1084
I think part of that was giving Gimli a real character. I haven't read the books in a while, but maybe that even proves my point - I can't remember a whole lot about him or his character, except when he talks about the stone in Helm's Deep.
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No.1559
My biggest complaint would have to be in the fellowship after Frodo is wounded by the ringwraiths. In the books getting him there is a grueling journey that takes a week or two. In the movie he just races there without the others with Arwen. It really took away from his character about his own inner strength. Instead of him showing defiance in the face of evil till the very end Arwen does it for him while he is made to be helpless.
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No.1661
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No.1773
1. The studio hired a fag to play Gandalf and Peter Jackson as director.
2. There weren't enough scenes with elves (especially Galadriel).
3. Aragorn looked like a homeless dude.
4. Drug abusing wood wizard in the Hobbit series.
Besides that, I love the series.
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No.1774
>>860
WTH? Cate Blanchett is beautiful. It would have been great if she stuck to children or trad movies. Unfortunately, most actors and actresses in Hollywood are just bags of meat with little soul.
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No.1775
>>901
>Marlene Dietrich
Whores or homos shouldn't play roles in conservative movies.
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No.1776
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No.2115
>>1675
>Having Merry and Pippin trick a being as old as the earth to try to make him fight Sauroman was just stupid.
I didn’t mind so much. JRRT said Treebeard was not as smart as he looked, and it was a way to drive home how out-of-touch the ents were.
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No.2116
>>1675
>battle of the Pelennor fields
Agree completely on all accounts.
In the film it’s a stage set for the heroes to show off.
In the book, it feels like a fucking WAR
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No.2118
for derivative action movies, they were decent, but they did not capture the books.
>>1674
>I've always wanted to see a good film adaption of LOTR. I know many people say that Tolkein just doesn't translate into film, but I would disagree. A good faithful translation of LOTR into film, I think, is very possible, just not finanially. And it likely wont happen until some billionaire Tolkein fan decides that the current Films weren't enough.
I think the best adaptation would be a feature-length animation. something along the lines of a studio ghibli film, but in a style like 1940s Disney.
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No.2119
>>2118
Yeah, animation is the way to go. Btw the 70s animated movies is quite good.
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No.2145
>>2118
bring back rotoscoping for it and make it solidly more anglo-saxon esque
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No.2192
>>2116
This. People barely care that its happening in the film. In the book you can feel the war hanging over everyone's heads before fighting even begins.
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No.2278
>>901
What about Yvette Mimieux? She was really beautiful.
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No.2293
Sauron and Gandalf's wizard fight in Fellowship consists of a series of force-shoves until one of them gives up. They might as well have played the South Park variant of roshambo.
Boromir's characterization is ruined.
No Tom Bombadil (fuck you, there's tons of lighthearted toneshifts in the movie as is).
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No.2294
>>2293
Yeah that weird jedi duel is lame as fuck and smacks of needing to add action into the movie
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No.2299
i did not watch the movies. i mean why would i, i have already read the books
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No.2300
Just verifying board functionality but flood detection is on my ass.
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