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ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.
For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.
For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.
It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.
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No.1092
>>1090
You watch your whore mouth, those were a godsend compared to the live action Hobbit movies.
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No.1098
>>1092
Let's just put it at this: Tolkien cannot be translated into film, animated or live action.
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No.1099
>>995
>Galadriel of all people
I agree with your post in general but Galadriel is a very powerful character. Remember, she's the oldest Elf in Middle-Earth who has seen the light of the Two Trees. I mean she was around when Fëanor went on his wild bling chase. Anyone who's read the Silmarillion knows how powerful the Noldor were back then. Galadriel is the last reminder of that, more powerful than even Elrond or any of the Sindar.
That said her depiction in the Hobbit is a bit off, she's an Elf, not a bloody witch.
>>1098
This tbh
The films are half-decent adaptions and Fellowship is a work of art. Looking at the Hobbit tells us how much things could've gone wrong.
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No.1100
>>1099
>That said her depiction in the Hobbit is a bit off
There really isn't much correct in how the White Council material was stdepicted. Mostly because everything had to be a call-back and connected to LoTR movies in order not to confuse the target audience, which presumably was movie fans too braindead to smell bullshit when it was announced that The Hobbit wasn't going to be one movie but two.
Sauron was still the damn floating eye, even though the movie LoTR dichotomy of Sauron+Ring=mace wielding army killer/Sauron-Ring=impotent light house was unnecessary. Nazguls without robes to bind them to material world weren't completely impotent images, because in LoTR the dead ghosts could kill instead of being just really spooky. Sauron wasn't a ruse master that was already ready to flee Dol Guldur when the White Council got their shit together, because they needed a big fight to show Sauron really was behind it all again. Galadriel needed recognizable nostalgic merchandise- I mean light of Eärendil in a jar to fight off the spooks, even though she personally knew Elbereth and could propably just said her name convincingly enough to make all lesser evil critters scurry back home in a mile radius. And why was Saruman directed as already obviously evil dickhead? That made everyone look even more silly about his betrayal.
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No.1101
>>1099
>Fellowship is a work of art.
For all the things omitted, FOTR was definitely the best of Jackson's trilogy
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No.1103
>>1100
It was all bullshit tbh
The Saruman stuff actually had some book weight behind it (he was already secretly seeking the Ring in competition with Sauron at this point, and the only reason he eventually agreed to force Sauron out of Dol Guldur was to stop him searching Anduin for the Ring). But they made his 'evilness' way too obvious to the point that the other characters would have to be brain dead not to see it.
Everything about the Hobbit films are deeply regretful.
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No.1104
>>1103
It was Saruman's superpower to remain convincing even when obviously malicious. Even though Saruman was doing all sorts of suspicious stuff (can't imagine those orc breeding pits being completely inconspicuous), he suprised Gandalf flatfooted with his betrayal. I just can't imagine him ever being a rude dick until completely and hopelessly denounced. He tried to convince Theoden he dindu nuffin when the king came knocking, and wasn't doing half bad job at it, after all.
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No.1105
>>1101
Bravo Nolan would have done it better.
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No.1106
>>1104
That's true but they overdid it. In the books Saruman's malice comes through more subtly, in his actions and in his counsel to the other White Council members. In the films he's shown as a bwahahaha ebil wizard with no subtlety whatsoever, which makes his portrayal seem dumb compared to the betrayal in LOTR
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No.1107
>>1105
The fellowship had at least two big guys, you've got to give it that
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No.1108
>>1105
Nolan should do a movie about Akallabêth. "Lord Mairon, I'm Numenor", "If I pulled that (Ring) off, would you die?", "Sinking this island…", you know the drill.
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No.1109
>>1105
Baneposting aside, Nolan is a mediocre director and wouldn't do Tolkien justice that being said, the only person/studio I can imagine perfecting LOTR would be Hammer during the 60s, Cushing and Lee included
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No.1110
>>1107
If you look at it from the hobbits perspective, there are plenty of big guys (for them). Bravo Jackson.
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No.1111
>>1110
Tolkien was well aware of the power of big guys. All uplifting always involved growing taller and more imposing. In the end of LoTR Merry and Pippin were the big guys for the hobbits, both literally and figuratively.
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No.1113
>>1106
>>1103
I thought in the movies Saruman wasn't even a traitor yet when the White Council moved against Dol Guldor (which is innacurate but what do you expect).
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No.1114
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No.1154
>>735
The Hobbit did not need to be a fucking trilogy. And fuck the five armies and every ridiculous piece of filler content.
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No.1166
>>1113
Honestly I can't remember and I have no desire to sit through that rubbish again
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No.1184
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No.1185
>>1184
Nobody who actually has read the book likes Bombadil. Tom and his stupid forest not being the worst and most pointless part of the book was a forced meme even back when Tolkien was alive propagated by the dude weed lmao crowd that bought bootleg copies for the wacky cover art and supposed anti-industrial message.
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No.1186
>>1185
>Nobody who actually has read the book likes Bombadil.
Speak for yourself.
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No.1187
>>1185
I savor the chapter with Bombadil, reading it slowly taking in the only high faerie element in LotR.
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No.1188
>>1185
>>1186
>>1187
Evidence that Bombadil is a divisive subject
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No.1190
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No.1194
>>1108
No no, it should be about the greatest hothead, Fëanor.
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No.1288
Having gone through the books recently, I was amazed at just how ACTIVE the three rings of the elves were. It's not obvious, but their actions and powers could be inferred in the many warnings of Elrond, the spontaneous answering of prayers to Galadriel, and Gandalf's fire. It bugged me that they weren't given a sendoff in the films, even before I fully understood their role in the story.
In the films, Saruman muses about the Ring of Barahir, which, as cool and appropriate as it is, is still less relevant to the War of the Ring as the Three were, and doesn't even occur in the books.
I got questioned about them by people who enjoyed the movies but didn't read the books, almost as frequently as I got questioned about the fate of the Arkenstone when the third Hobbit film was released.
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No.1295
Faramir didn't get a fair shake in the movies in my opinion. He's way more noble and interesting in the books. They almost portray him as mean in the movies (at least at first).
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No.1296
>>1288
I've had this thought recently on my yearly reading. I pay attention to Gandalf, he sometimes lets the fellowship sleep while taking on the guard and not rest at all himself. Makes me think the ring was giving him powers of endurance in those times.
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No.1305
>>1295
They really should've kept the deleted scenes of Faramir and Boromir together in Osilgiliath tbh
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No.1430
The fact that during Helm's Deep battle, nobody knew where the fuck Gandalf was, no warning about "the dawn of third day". He just seemed to have vanished when the danger came close, exactly what Wormtongue accused him of doing, at the point that even Theoden doubted again
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No.1486
>>1296
I think all bets are off when considering where Gandalf's innate powers begin and Narya's powers end. There is just not enough to be certain about - just the way I like my magic.
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No.1487
>>1430
I agree, especially as Gandalf had even told Aragon but it's never mentioned or thought of again until he actually shows up
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No.1514
>>882
Which is why the Amazon TV show initially sounded like a good idea to me, because if you'd do it as a show you'd really be able to cover everything.
>>992
>The wargs in the films were terrible and looked like hyenas.
That was part of the point, they wanted to make them a bit more interesting than just giant wolves. Not sure I'm a big fan of the design, but I appreciate it.
>>1084
I think part of that was giving Gimli a real character. I haven't read the books in a while, but maybe that even proves my point - I can't remember a whole lot about him or his character, except when he talks about the stone in Helm's Deep.
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No.1559
My biggest complaint would have to be in the fellowship after Frodo is wounded by the ringwraiths. In the books getting him there is a grueling journey that takes a week or two. In the movie he just races there without the others with Arwen. It really took away from his character about his own inner strength. Instead of him showing defiance in the face of evil till the very end Arwen does it for him while he is made to be helpless.
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No.1661
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No.1773
1. The studio hired a fag to play Gandalf and Peter Jackson as director.
2. There weren't enough scenes with elves (especially Galadriel).
3. Aragorn looked like a homeless dude.
4. Drug abusing wood wizard in the Hobbit series.
Besides that, I love the series.
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No.1774
>>860
WTH? Cate Blanchett is beautiful. It would have been great if she stuck to children or trad movies. Unfortunately, most actors and actresses in Hollywood are just bags of meat with little soul.
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No.1775
>>901
>Marlene Dietrich
Whores or homos shouldn't play roles in conservative movies.
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No.1776
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No.2115
>>1675
>Having Merry and Pippin trick a being as old as the earth to try to make him fight Sauroman was just stupid.
I didn’t mind so much. JRRT said Treebeard was not as smart as he looked, and it was a way to drive home how out-of-touch the ents were.
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No.2116
>>1675
>battle of the Pelennor fields
Agree completely on all accounts.
In the film it’s a stage set for the heroes to show off.
In the book, it feels like a fucking WAR
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No.2118
for derivative action movies, they were decent, but they did not capture the books.
>>1674
>I've always wanted to see a good film adaption of LOTR. I know many people say that Tolkein just doesn't translate into film, but I would disagree. A good faithful translation of LOTR into film, I think, is very possible, just not finanially. And it likely wont happen until some billionaire Tolkein fan decides that the current Films weren't enough.
I think the best adaptation would be a feature-length animation. something along the lines of a studio ghibli film, but in a style like 1940s Disney.
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No.2119
>>2118
Yeah, animation is the way to go. Btw the 70s animated movies is quite good.
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No.2145
>>2118
bring back rotoscoping for it and make it solidly more anglo-saxon esque
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No.2192
>>2116
This. People barely care that its happening in the film. In the book you can feel the war hanging over everyone's heads before fighting even begins.
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No.2278
>>901
What about Yvette Mimieux? She was really beautiful.
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No.2293
Sauron and Gandalf's wizard fight in Fellowship consists of a series of force-shoves until one of them gives up. They might as well have played the South Park variant of roshambo.
Boromir's characterization is ruined.
No Tom Bombadil (fuck you, there's tons of lighthearted toneshifts in the movie as is).
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No.2294
>>2293
Yeah that weird jedi duel is lame as fuck and smacks of needing to add action into the movie
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No.2299
i did not watch the movies. i mean why would i, i have already read the books
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No.2300
Just verifying board functionality but flood detection is on my ass.
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