No.1631
Why didn't Beren just ride the eagles to Angband?
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No.1632
Why did Gandalf struggle with a Balrog for days when Feanor slaughtered dozens of them like it was no big deal?
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No.1633
Why do normalfags think "riding the eagles" is a good plan?
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No.1634
>>1631
Why didn't Fingolfin just ride the eagles into Morgoth's face? No really their claws can shred his face
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No.1636
Why didn't Sauron just transform into a bird or vampire and fly the fuck away when he was trapped in Mordor being besieged by the free peoples?
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No.1650
>looking too much into children's literature
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No.1668
Why didn't the eagles just fly the ring to Valinor?
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No.1672
>>1631
Real answer, the eagles would've been immediately corrupted by the ring, killed the hobbits and taken it for themselves. The Eagle King would've succumbed almost instantly, and in due time make his way to Sauron bearing the ring for him. The Eagles were literally badass sky spirits, spirits can be quite easily corrupted by things like the ring if not made specifically to fight such power (like Gandalf for example).
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No.1698
>>1631
Why didn't Luthien just turn Beren into a bat too, you mean.
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No.1700
Why didn't Ulmo just sent Tuor to Gondolin on a giant swan?
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No.1741
>>1672
that's a good rationale. another possibility is that the Eye of Sauron would notice them flying into his realm (especially bearing his ring) and shoot them down somehow.
this should've been explained at the Council of Elrond, when they discussed every other idea for what to do with the ring. the fact that the Eagles aren't brought up makes it a plot hole. it all goes back to the Eagles being a blatant deus ex machina in the first place.
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No.1742
>>1741
It's because they're be shot down, lets be honest.
Giant Eagles would stick out like a sore thumb
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No.1812
Why didn't Eru just not make Melkor?
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No.1821
>>1634
Their talons can pry the Silmaril out too, no flaws whatsoever.
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No.1822
>>1741
as far as i know, eagles an other spirits were not to take sides in the ring war for previous reasons, guess gandalf explained that him self once.
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No.1828
>>1812
Why didn't Eru just write the story about all the suffering and then tell it to the souls he created to live in Arda Unmarred?
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No.1831
>>1812
Why didn't Eru just not make anything? Without existence there would be no suffering.
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No.1840
>>1831
Why didn't Eru just uncreate himself so there would be no will and universal nirvana would commence?
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No.1842
>>1741
How is it a plot hole? Do authors have to list every single possible scenario to avoid plotholes, or is the plan simply so stupid that it's not worth mentioning. They didn't use eagles because it was obvious that all the evil flying things and archers would end that plan quickly, disregarding the corrupting power of the ring. That's assuming that the eagles would even cooperate; they might have just told the council to fuck off.
The first I ever heard of muh eagles was when dipshits started pointing it out on the internet as a plothole. It's not a plothole, it's a stupid plan with drawbacks that should be immediately apparent. It's a worse plan than "drop it into the ocean", which was discarded in the book for being unworkable.
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No.1843
>>1842
the Council of Elrond considered every available course of action for dealing with the Ruling Ring, including far-fetched ideas like handing it off to Tom Bombadil or dropping it in the ocean (as you mentioned). maybe they don't have to exhaust every single possibility, but it's supposed to be a comprehensive discussion. riding the Eagles is no more obscure or absurd than some of the other ideas brought up, so it should've been addressed. because it wasn't, the reader is left speculating why the Eagles wouldn't have worked; it also suggests a blatant oversight on the part of the Council (which is otherwise very thorough). for those reasons, I consider it a plot hole, or at least a significant omission.
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No.1845
>>1636
Why didn't Sauron's eye fire a giant hate ray?
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No.1857
>>1842
It's not a plot hole, but given that so many people have asked the question, it probably would have been good if it were at least briefly mentioned, even if Elrond or whoever called whoever had the idea a fucking idiot.
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No.1858
>>1843
That begs the question : Why DIDN'T the drop it in the ocean and just let Ulmo take care of it. As far as anyone knows, even Sauron has no power over the deep waters.
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No.1859
>>1858
Presumably they couldn't just hide it because it would have eventually found its way back to Sauron so long as it wasn't destroyed, no matter where they sent it.
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No.1864
>>1857
this. I guess 'plot hole' is too strong a term, given that it can be easily plugged in. but it is an omission, especially since the Council floated every other half-baked idea.
>>1859
Gandalf said that the ocean is full of stuff, so maybe merpeople or water-spirits would've found it and been compelled to bring it to land. or maybe a fish would've swallowed it and then got caught. even if the Ring remained hidden underwater for a long time, there was always the risk of it resurfacing much later, especially since it has its own will and can influence sentients. ultimately they decided that it's better to try to destroy the Ring once and for all rather than pass the buck onto a future generation.
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No.1872
>>1858
Sauron would have won if the Ring was hidden. This isn't actually directly stated in the book, but it seems like the obvious reason why any plan that didn't involve destroying the Ring was discarded.
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No.1875
>>1858
If Ulmo could have taken care of it at all he would have done so during the many centuries it was laying on a river bed. He was the lord of all waters, not just the sea. Actually, why didn't Ulmo just take the ring to Valinor and have it unmade in the forges of Aule? Was he just that pissy over the whole Numenor thing, even though he was the first to forgive the Noldor for the kinslaying?
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No.1877
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No.1879
>>1872
Sauron would've won if the Ring had come back into his possession. without it, I don't think his victory was assured. however, the Fellowship's concern was that if they did anything but destroy the Ring, it would find its way back to him somehow. in any case, as long as the Ring exists, Sauron will continue to plague Middle-Earth, and they wanted to win the war instead of dragging it out.
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No.1882
>>1864
>even if the Ring remained hidden underwater for a long time, there was always the risk of it resurfacing much later
After all, by the time of the Council, the Ring already had spent many centuries hidden underwater, but it was still found again. The possibility of it being found again eventually if they dumped it in the ocean is very real.
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No.1888
>>1879
Nobody among the good guys seemed particularly assured there was any way to win without something happening to the Ring. Gondor leadership was desperate to the point of going insane, Rohan's king was a lethargic potato, and the Elves were content chilling at their hidey holes losing the Long Defeat. I don't think they would have thrown everything they had at the Black Gate if they had thought there was a way to win through conventional warfare, and that was after several near miraculous hard won victories involving unforeseen circumstances.
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No.1894
Why did all the free peoples of Middle Earth have to mass all their strength to beat a guy who got his ass handed to him by a dog?
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No.1899
>>1888
admittedly Sauron seemed to have the upper hand. but the West did achieve victories, and Rohan's king recovered after he was freed from the pernicious influence of Wormtongue and Saruman. I don't think it was quite as one-sided as you claim.
more importantly, Saruman was not loyal to Sauron. they may have worked together, but it was an uneasy alliance at best, with plenty of friction and treachery between them. in an alternate timeline, I could easily see a civil war breaking out between Sauron & Saruman, which would've been costly to the Dark Powers.
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No.1904
>>1634
Holy shit the whole Silmarillion is officially pointless. Tolkien btfo once and for all.
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No.1943
Why didn't the Valar just make new light trees?
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No.1945
>>1943
The original light, coming from the Sun Unraped or some other place depending on the source, was already corrupted. They needed Fëanor's balls to rekindle the light.
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No.1956
>>1875
>Actually, why didn't Ulmo just take the ring to Valinor and have it unmade in the forges of Aule?
Would that have been possible? I thought it could only be destroyed where it was actually made.
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No.1971
>>1956
Between Aule and all the great craftsmen of the unexiled Noldor, I am completely sure that somebody could have figured out how to melt a little magic gold. Aule must have had access to lava that was at least as hot as what was in Mount Doom.
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No.1973
>>1971
I agree that they should have had the means to destroy the Ring. But in order for that to happen, firstly they would have needed one someone willing to take the Ring to Aman. Secondly the Ring would have to be to possible to moved to Aman. I could see it as too tied to Arda to be removed from it. A thirdly, the smiths at Aman would have needed to be able to destroy the Ring before someone started shit trying to claim it for themselves. Sauron could have boobytrapped it against his ex-master. Or maybe Aulë's own resentment for being such an eternal fuck-up would finally have boiled over and he would have claimed the Ring for himself (and propably remaking it into a better one), becoming Melkor 2.0 except weaker and even more pathetic.
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No.1977
>>1973
The council of Elrond discussed sending it over the sea in a ship, so it was probably possible. And again, Ulmo could have just grabbed it and spirited it over to Valinor during the centuries it was sitting on a riverbed. And I could see the Ring corrupting maybe some of the Noldor, but I doubt if it could have corrupted any of the Valar. Like Tom Bombadil, they should have been beyond the powers of the Ring.
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No.2000
>>1971
>>1973
iirc the Ring was too closely bound to Arda, so it could not travel beyond to Aman.
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