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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.830

Does Arda have any religions?

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 No.831

The Elves and their associates religiously revered the Valar. The Kings of Numenor performed a yearly austere ceremony in honor of Eru. Servants of both Morgoth and Sauron worshipped them as their God. Organized religion outside evil cults didn't really exist because there wasn't any real faith required to believe in the Valar.

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 No.832

>>830

Is faith required for a religion? Eru is the only legit religion in Arda. The valar are revered and respected by the elves, but they are still fallible and the only "powers". They are beings OF Arda since the time they entered it.

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 No.833

>>832

>The valar are revered and respected by the elves, but they are still fallible and the only "powers"

In some material they are described as "pagan" gods, implying they are the beings any primitive peoples worshipped/revered when they worshipped/revered non-evil beings. For Elves they were real as some of them had met Valas, but for any humans there would be aspect of faith. You could argue that Frodo invoking/calling Elbereth was a form of prayer.

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 No.836

I read somewhere that the Dúnedain said a blessing before their meals. It was roughly a remembrance of how the last time they tried to fuck with the Valar, a hundred ships and all of Númenor disappeared into the sea.

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 No.839

Pretty much worship of Eru and the Valar in various shapes or forms.

For example the Rohirrim had their own name for Oromë.

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 No.847

>>832

> they are still fallible

Most religions' gods were.

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 No.862

Arda has all of Earth's religions by definition, just fast forward a couple Ages. The Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth sort of posits a Fall of Man - divine incarnate scenario when it discusses Eru's original plan for mankind (it also, interestingly, states that the first Music ended for the Ainur just as the Firstborn began to fade from Middle Earth e.g. around the early Fourth Age, which means anything after, including our history and the transitional period between Middle Earth and prehistorical Earth societies, is unknown to the Valar). It's merely a hypothetical, but it's quite interesting in the context of Tolkien's views on Mannish beliefs and Messianism in the aftermath of Melkor's corruption.

'Truly,' said Andreth. 'So may Eru in that mode be present in Eä

that proceeded from Him. But they speak of Eru Himself entering into

Arda, and that is a thing wholly different. How could He the greater do

this? Would it not shatter Arda, or

indeed all Ea?"

'Ask me not,' said Finrod. 'These things are beyond the compass of

the wisdom of the Eldar, or of the Valar maybe. But I doubt that our words

may mislead us, and that when you say "greater" you think of the

dimensions of Arda, in which the

greater vessel may not be contained in

the less.

'But such words may not be used of the Measureless. If Eru wished

to do this, I do not doubt that He would find a way, though I cannot

foresee it. For, as it seems to me, even if He in Himself were to enter in, He

must still remain also as He is: the Author without. And yet, Andreth, to

speak with humility, I cannot conceive how else this healing could be

achieved. Since Eru will surely not suffer Melkor to turn the world to his

own will and to triumph in the end. Yet there is no power conceivable

greater than Melkor save Eru only. Therefore Eru, if He will not relinquish

His work to Melkor, who must else proceed

to mastery, ``then Eru must

come in to conquer him.``

'More: even if Melkor (or the Morgoth that he has become) could in

any way be thrown down or thrust from Arda, still his Shadow would

remain, and the evil that he has wrought and sown as a seed would wax

and multiply. And ``if any remedy for this is to be found, ere all is ended,

any new light to oppose the shadow, or any medicine for the wounds: then

it must, I deem, come from without``.'

The Blue Wizards may or may not have seeded the basis for Eastern mythology too.

'I really do not know anything clearly about the other two [wizards] – since they do not concern the history of the N[orth].W[est]. I think they went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Númenórean range: missionaries to 'enemy-occupied' lands, as it were. What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; ``and I suspect they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.``' - J. R. R.

We have no idea nor will we ever have an idea what the peoples of Harad believed in. Sauron/Melkor worship scattered in the north, probably, but Far Harad is one big blank. Ditto for Hyarmenor or the New Lands that replaced Aman after the Breaking of the World or the peoples that inhabited the Straits of the World (Mesopotamia) or either First Age and Third Age incarnations of Dorwinion (though they were probably Eru worshipers of some form considering they traded regularly with the western peoples of Middle Earth).

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 No.879

boop

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 No.902

>>862

That volume of History of Middle Earth (which is Morgoth's Ring for anyone interested) is by far the most important lore piece you can get for a metaphysical and theological study of the secondary world actually

Not only does it have that story of the Fall of Man, it also delves into the concepts of Arda Marred (hence, Morgoth's Ring), has a bit about Eldar culture, (which include bits about soul and body) and also as the Annals of Aman.

If you get one volume of that collection, get that one.

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 No.940

>>836

>"Okay kids, hold hands."

>"the last time we tried to talk to the gods, two thirds of us died. Amen"

I laugh

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