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No.887
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a friend of mine showed me the trailer, I wanted to fucking scream
>le strong wommin
>nonwhites in Gondor
>new ring made by Celebrimbor
The last game was a piece of shit arkham clone that raped the lore too, so it's not really surprising. I bet it takes place in the fourth age too
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No.888
>>886
What are easterners doing in Gondor?
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No.889
>>888
Because Gondor is a beautiful multicultural society that doesn't look down upon the lesser races of man
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No.890
>>887
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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No.893
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No.894
>>887
>a good ring of power
christ, tolkien is rolling in his grave
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No.896
>the niggers = diversity = good
They won't rest until everything has the demographics of American television shows.
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No.898
>it's all made up bullshit so who cares anyways
They we're the actual words of someone that was talking about shadow of Mordor.
After that shitstain of a game I'm more surprised that Sauron doesn't pull out a lightsaber to engage super saiyan blue tranny black sailor moon atop of Mount Doom.
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No.899
>>887
The first game had decently good gameplay, and even if was completely contradictory to the lore, it wasn't an aggravating assault against the lore. The only complaint, to me at least, was that ultimately Thalion won through force of arms. I figure there should have been a way to have him win otherwise. Tolkien often explicitly stated that you can not best evil with strength or arms, no matter what you try.
The only time Morgoth lost clearly was with Beren and Lúthien. Sauron was defeated by the actions of hobbits. Even the Hobbit movies understood this clearly and had it spelled out in that scene between Galadriel and Gandalf in the first movie (incidentally one of the best scenes in that trilogy, one of the few times I felt it approached the secondary world in depth)
But otherwise, the game's plot was fine. It was against the lore having Celebrimbor aid in the construction of the One, but it also served to highlight once again that you can not defeat Sauron with power, it just doesn't work, because all that will happen is your own corruption and eventual fall to the darkness.
With all that said, I am entirely convinced this second game will be shite. I wouldn't have minded so much if the black guy was an Harad guy working for the Gondorian military, as there is precedent in that, but apparently he's just a plain fucking Gondorian which is absolutely retarded. Not even gonna mention the woman. I'm more aggravated by her than the nigger.
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No.904
>>899
>it wasn't an aggravating assault against the lore
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No.909
>>904
Well it really wasn'0t. It's a body of myth. Contradictory plotlines are not entirely that big of a deal as long as the essence of the world is maintained, which for the most part, Shadow of Mordor did. It failed a bit at the end, but it was for example nowhere near as bad as the Hobbit movies.
I'd put it about just bellow the Lord of the Ring movies.
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No.911
>>886
Warner are really jewing out with all this DLC
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No.912
>>887
>celebrimbor making ANOTHER ring
Yep, I'm sure that won't fuck up like the last three times. I can forgive playing fast and loose with the setting and I can even forgive some stupid shit like the elf ghost, but this monumental retardation is like the devs didn't even read Lord of the Rings.
Sauron is the Lord of the Rings. You can't beat Sauron with a "good" ring, that's not how it works.
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No.913
>>909
>Contradictory plotlines are not entirely that big of a deal as long as the essence of the world is maintained
Thank you for saying that. That is something Tolkien was passionate about.
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No.916
>>913
We'll see how it goes. Gameplay wise it seems okay. But I wont give them a cent of they try to feed multicult down my throat.
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No.920
>>912
Celebrimbor was killed by Sauron shortly after making the final Three rings. (Sauron's ring thus had to be very powerful to enslave them)
His body was then used as a banner or standard for the rest of that particular war.
So how did he manage to make another ring?
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No.922
>>887
>Comments are disabled for this video.
You guys did it again
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No.926
>>922
Of course they are. Fucking modernist cunts.
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No.927
>>926
Go back to sleep Christopher.
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No.948
>>898
>After that shitstain of a game I'm more surprised that Sauron doesn't pull out a lightsaber to engage super saiyan blue tranny black sailor moon atop of Mount Doom.
You and I will live to see this. It will happen when the Tolkien estate is forced to sell all its assets and Middle-Earth™ becomes the intellectual property of some hook-nosed Hollywood exec. There is a very real and not-entirely-conscious agenda among major media to weaken and defile anything heroic or inspirational, or anything that approaches the idea of racial pride. It's an issue with the culture of the global market, and not something that you can kill just by targeting the right fatcats.
Just like in the Legendarium, evil can't be overcome just by killing it.
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No.970
>>948
>Just like in the Legendarium, evil can't be overcome just by killing it.
It truly is amazing how Tolkien captured the essence of evil so damned well.
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No.990
>>948
But if you destroy all life, there will be no one left to do evil
It is the logical decision
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No.1015
>>990
That isn't right either. Because it doesn't matter how hard they try, how far they reach. There is light and high beauty forever BEYOND that reach. And even were that not the case, even if defeat and loss were certain, you have to fight. The long defeat is heroic in of itself.
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No.1016
>>1015
They'll never extinguish the light anon.
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No.1017
>>1015
hope remains
but seriously, white people have a very long history of their civilizations being left in ruins. Literature suffers just the same.
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No.1025
THERE IS NO HOPE LEFT IN THIS WORLD
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No.1026
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No.1027
>>1026
Everything new about the game that has been shown at E3, which includes good guy orcs that crack jokes.
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No.1028
>>1027
Not inherently evil orcs have more precedent in the published texts than kangs of northern Numenorian colonies.
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No.1029
>>1028
I thought that both were pretty unprecedented.
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No.1030
>>1029
No, "decent" orcs is plausible. Tolkien didn't like the idea that creatures could be damned before chance of redemption and published versions of the Battle of Last Alliance claim all creation save Elves was divided, i.e some Orcs opposed Sauron.
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No.1031
>>1027
>>1028
>>1030
I don't know what you're talking about.
None of those orcs are "good." they are on Celebrimbor's side. or with talion/donut steel if you prefer to split hairs The game operates under the assumption that the One Ring, or something like it, grants the ability to mind-control orcs Aquaman-style.
In my opinion, those characters are acting like orcs just fine. JRRT based them off of british factory workers in the 20s-40s and on the attitudes of WWI soldiers like the ones he was lumped together with. I see enough of that in the game to be fine with it.
The "progressive Gondorian cultural attitudes for women and minorities" thing is the most venomous thing in this game by a long shot.
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No.1037
>>1031
Orcs were also based on how the enemy is viewed by those in the trenches. Which is why they are so chaotic evil in the books, and probably why Tolkien when he really thought about it, regretted writing them the way he did.
And yes, the SJW modernist shit is going to ruin this game.
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No.1038
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No.1039
>>1031
Orcs were based on factory workers? I guess basing orks on lower class brits is another thing Games Workshop stole from earlier sources.
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No.1053
>>1039
>stole
Get over this idiotic idea that every author has a monopoly on the things they write. Everyone is picking up concepts and approaches to things like this all the time, and drawing inspiration from everywhere else.
Before (((publishers))) realized they could make money off of fiction writing, everyone exchanged stories and ideas freely and without this shitty DeviantArt attitude about "muh worldbuilding".
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No.1056
>>1053
I was looking more for a source to the claim, rather than a lecture about intellectual property. "Stole" is a pretty accurate way of describing GW's creative process in many ways, at least at the beginning.
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No.1123
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No.1149
>>1123
ALREADY MADE THAT JOKE
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No.1156
>>899
>because all that will happen is your own corruption and eventual fall to the darkness
Isn't this exactly what happened in the story?
The one thing keeping me interested is how a major game company can spin a story like this when the conclusion is utterly forgone. Those two cannot defeat Sauron, anymore than Jin Urso could square off with Darth Vader in Rogue One.
…I think I just answered my own question…
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No.1173
>>1156
As expected, it is shit
Sheolob now a sex appeal spider lady, and another fucking Tauriel for maximum GURL POWER.
Garbage, wont even pirate.
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No.1174
>>887
God I can almost see people sitting around a board room table deciding the things showing up here. GOTTA HAVE A COOL RING, GOTTA HAVE BALROGS, GOTTA HAVE SAURON. Remember THIS from the movie? Remember THAT?
It's like they don't even give a shit about the actual world Tolkien made. Give me a game where I'm one of the fucking blue wizards, let me sail down the Anduin, let me venture into the far east where the devs can legit include the niggers that they want without fucking up lore.
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No.1175
>>1174
>let me venture into the far east where the devs can legit include the niggers that they want without fucking up lore.
This! Why can't we do that? A game near Umbar where you can play an exiled Gondorian making friends with Haradrim or some shit.
For fucks sake the niggers are there. Just include them in the proper setting and nobody bitches.
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No.1176
>>1174
It can't be helped. Gotta have those normalfag bucks.
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No.1177
>>1173
It would have been so much better if she stayed a spider. I could tolerate everything else they did with her if she stayed a spideronly watched the first few parts of it so I don't know what else they did, talking to a giant monster spider would be cool.
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No.1178
>people will buy this shit
When will they stop shitting on Tolkien's legacy? The man must be rolling in his grave. As if the Hobbit films and Shadow of Mordor wasn't bad enough.
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No.1179
So, in case anyone is curious
>Turns out most of the game is spent fighting Isilur, who got turned Nazgul, because why the fuck not
>Celebrimbor tried to dominate Isildur into his service but Talion refuses and instead mercy kills him
>Celebrimbor betrays Talion and instead possesses the OC elf bitch
>Shelob keeps Talion alive long enough for him to put on Isildur's ring to become a ringwraith (which isn't how that works but really, at this point, who the fuck cares)
>In the final battle Sauron and Celebrimbor fuse and become the eye of Barad-dur
>Talion retakes Minas Morgul, spends decades holding back the forces of Mordor, until he gets corrupted and joins the Dark Lord (who at this point, you have to ask, who even is the dark lord)
>Lord of the Rings happens
>Talion gets freed and moves on beyond the circles of the world (which, again, fucking faggots in these mainstream titles seem to him equals moving on to Valinor)
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No.1183
>>1179
Makes me wonder how strict those Tolkien Estate "no use of unlicensed material" rules actually are. The old tabletop games had their share of bizarre bullshit, but this game doesn't appear to be fashioned by coherent minds. It seems like their legal team went insane and listed everything that they were allowed to do (the more lore breaking the better) and then the dev team just randomly rolled story elements from the list.
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No.1189
>>1179
That's a really bad ending actually
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No.1289
>>1189
At least the dude in the OP isn't passed off as Gondorian. He's very clearly from a foreign race that grew up in Gondor as a ward of some noble or other.
>>1179
I feel like I read somewhere that, while the souls of Men do leave the circles of the world, they 'check-in' at Mandos before they depart Arda for good. Can't remember where. Could be wrong.
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No.1290
>>1178
>When will they stop shitting on Tolkien's legacy?
When his legacy is shit itself and can no longer be exploited for profit.
Alternatively, until respect for these tales is restored, or when the entire civilization that bore them comes crashing down.
Take your pick.
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No.1301
>>1289
He still muh dick'd a Gondorian noblewoman who OF COURSE is also a "guuuuurl power" battle woman.
So much anger.
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No.1378
>>1289
Well Lúthien got Beren back a fair while after he died, I think that's probably evidence enough that the souls of Men have to stick around with Mandos for a while before they leave.
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No.1380
>>1378
But they seem to present it as if he's walking into Valinor itself. I dunno it seems to base the description of "heaven" as the one Gandalf made in the movies, which was itself almost like a white lie to Pippin about what happens after you die. He was describing Valinor, but Pippin wont go there.
The films and these games and normalfags in general confuse Valinor with heaven a lot.
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No.1381
>>1380
Maybe Gandalf went to Illuvatar when he died after fighting the Balrog. So he could have an actual idea of where men go? That's my guess at least.
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No.1382
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No.1384
>>1380
Remember: Arda and the Legendarium are meant to be mythological landscapes. I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about Talion’s sendoff, since, from our perspective, Valinor is as good as Heaven.
And personally, I didn’t think of it as him going to Valinor. All I saw was a numenorean descendant looking upon the sea at sunset.
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No.1385
>>1384
That isn't entirely a bad interpretation either I guess. I mean I'm not that mad about that. Of all things in the game it wasn't the worst.
Also there's an important distinction between Valinor and the world beyond Eä. Because we KNOW for a fact Valinor exists within the Legendarium, and it is simply the realm of the gods, hallowed but finite. It's an understandable and you can quantify/qualify it.
You do not know what happens after Men die. The unknown is part of it. It's hope without any guaranty. A call to faith without any promises. Which is something very integral to every ideal Tolkien puts into his works.
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No.1386
The Shadow of Mordor games have pulled some outrageous shit, but then again, that's just the average day in the Jacksonverse (which these games are a part of).
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No.1414
>>1386
Honestly the first wasn't that bad as it's been said.
Jackson's Tolkien has quickly become a blight. Had I know, I'd never have defended the original three as I did.
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