No.1391
Hey guys, I keep seeing wankers posting this and can't think of a logical reason for why they're wrong.
"Why didn't they just fly on the eagles to Mordor with the ring?"
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No.1392
>>1391
In the end, the Eagles are just the eyes and ears of Mandos. They are not the great movers of the age. It's like asking "why didn't the valar just come over and destroy the ring". It's because the Valar have "removed" themselves.
Secondly, I imagine sauron's "eye" would quickly spot his lost power if born up on a great enemy like Gwaihir as soon as it crossed into Mordor.
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No.1393
>>1391
The eagles would have been shot to death by the forces within mordor, or the nazgul Who had more powers in the books than what was displayed in the movies, or by sauron himself since he had remanifested his body at that point.
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No.1394
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No.1395
>>1392
>>1393
>>1394
Thanks for the clarification guys. I know I'm being trolled but I still want to have a counter argument that's logical when these pricks get mouthy.
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No.1398
Because if they flew to Morder they'd not have a story to tell. That's it. Literally Tolkien's explanation.
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No.1399
>>1398
But that kind of cop out is unnecessary, when it could be said the Eagles didn't have power to overcome Sauron, which they would have had to do if they had flown to Mordor carrying the Ring.
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No.1400
>>1391
I don't see how the faggots who post that could have missed the fact that the Nazgul fly around on winged beasts and that the forces of Sauron have many archers, which the eagles fear. That's not even getting into the idea of birds ratting them out to Sauruman.
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No.1408
>>1399
What is most important in myth is the consistency of the message and morals, not necessarily the plot or rules of the world. Even then, you can justify why the eagles didn't take the ring.
But ultimately the only justification you need is that to tell his tale, the eagles couldn't be used. To put forth the story of Frodo and the Ring, and the themes and morals it carries, the eagles couldn't be used.
I'm sure if you look there's plenty of loopholes in other mythological tales. LOTR is more a story like say, Bëowulf than it is a modern fiction.
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No.1416
>>1408
LoTR is still a modern work despite its influences and doesn't get a pass on such shortcomings as the works of the ancients do, as all works are always written in the context of their times. "Just because" hasn't been valid in serious storytelling for centuries. And it hardly can be claimed the eagle conundrum was a stylistic choice. Well, it can be claimed, but I wouldn't say this particular aspect is part of the emulation of the multilayered construction of myths, when Frodo or Sam is supposed to be an in-story author of their own rescue. The eagle part can't really be an addition from a later in-setting author because that would mean Frodo and Sam died at Mount Doom and wouldn't have been able to relay their part of the story.
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No.1428
>>1391
Because of Fellbeasts, the withering gaze of the Eye of Sauron, the ring's corrupting properties, other flying creatures Sauron may have had.
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No.1453
>>1416
> "Just because" hasn't been valid in serious storytelling for centuries
Why is that? Because we became obsessed with the material rather than the moral. I think a consequence of that is attempts to create consistency in a work that, by all rights, should rather focus on deliver a sound message.
Also, you're confusing. I'm not saying that it should be taken as internal mythology, but external. Tolkien wasn't as much worried with consistency necessarily (although he was extremely consistent, even his languages had consistent progression from old quenta to "modern" third age Sindarin), but rather with the delivery of a message and the telling of a tale.
It isn't even my words here. Tolkien stated that he didn't use the eagles because otherwise, there'd be no story.
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