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No.590 [Last50 Posts]
Imagine being Christopher Tolkien in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Peter Jackson, your fuckin' directing fine, all progressive with your elf warrior woman OC and horrific CGI Legolas brick jumping. I would totally have sex with you, both my father and me." when all he really wants to do is piece together another 60 year old manuscript in his study. Like seriously imagine having to be Christopher and not only sit in that chair while Jackson flaunts his disgusting original characters in front of you, the CGI barely concealing that all the soldiers have the same face, and just sit there, scene after scene, hour after hour, while actors performed those lines. Not only having to tolerate this monstrous fucking visage but his haughty attitude as everyone on set tells him he's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, THE HOBBIT IN 48 FPS LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his fat fucking gremlin hands contort your fathers legacy into types of bullshit you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been doing nothing but reading a healthy diet of your fathers myths and songs and later alleged memes for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in England. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the parkinsons that's breaking out on Billy Connolies CGI face as Jackson phones it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "revolutionary (for that is what he calls it" story, the story your father worked so hard for decades ago. And then the producer calls for another extended cut, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the cinema security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Tolkien. You're not going to tarnish your fathers work over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
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No.591
And people wonder why he wont sell the Silmarillion rights.
Normalfags are a cancer. That this movie is praised by anyone is beyond me.
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No.592
>Invited to meet Peter Jackson, the Tolkien family preferred not to. Why? "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."
>This divorce has been systematically driven by the logic of Hollywood. "Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time," Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away."
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No.595
>>592
so he didn't like the lotr movies either?
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No.596
I never could stand the hobbit movies, always preferred the rankin bass version
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No.599
the first hobbit movie was absolute and utter shit
i can't believe there were people who defended it when it first came out
i didn't even watch the others for how shitty it was
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No.601
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No.604
I have mixed feelings on this.
On the one hand I hate to see Tolkien's work getting defiled. On the other hand Tolkien liked and defended jews and it feels like there's a certain cosmic justice that now his legacy is getting shat on by jewish agendas.
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No.605
>>604
On the upside it did spur a lot of new people to read his books.
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No.606
>>604
>writes his Jewish expys as massive stereotypes and near soulless clay golems to boot
>sucked up to kikes when ever they were mentioned in his correspondence
I half-suspect it was a knee jerk reaction from being triggered by nazis using a lingustic term as a racial one.
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No.613
>>595
The LotR movies have more moments where the high beauty of the work shines through, but none the less there is a lot of modernization in them as well, for example Eowyn's very different and much more feminist portrayal (which got taken to the terrible and logical conclusion with Tumblriel), the presence of the elves at Helm's Deep, the lack of seriousness of the war strategies in favor of grand epic set pieces, amongst other things.
Obviously one tends to overlook these things because in that case, the good overshadows the bad. But I imagine someone as deeply linked to the original work as Christopher can't quite overlook the bad. It's his fathers legacy after all.
>>604
>Tolkien defended the Jews
And he also defended the Germans, and the Occitanians, and the Welsh, and he stood for a free England without empire or even the acts of union.
Tolkien was a very huge traditionalist and saw nation states as a travesty. He had no respect for the fascists or natsocs because he was ultimately in favor of decentralized, traditional communities based around faith (his obviously being Catholic, but he wasn't DEUS VULT tier about it, if his relationship to Lewis was any indication) and family. That completely conflicted with Hitler or Mussolini's heavy government lead control of the nation to reinsert and enforce tradition and proper culture.
Naturally you can argue that given the state the west already found itself in at the time, perhaps decentralization would not work but I rather stand with the likes of Evola or Tolkien that argue for a pre-enlightenment moralism than the 20th century right wing governments that seem more like a reaction rather than a solution.
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No.625
>>613
>Tolkien was a very huge traditionalist and saw nation states as a travesty.
Which has nothing really to do with the fact that he claimed the jews were excellent people.
But that aside, what kinda decentralization are we talking here, HRE/early USA? City-states? Even more decentralized? Legit interested in knowing what his views were on this.
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No.626
>>625
Just look at the Shire. I think that's basically his ideal society.
You could probably throw in a noble kingship that keeps the people safe from attack but rarely interferes otherwise.
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No.627
>>626
Shire as an ideal society is quite cheating. It had a band of merry men from ancient blessed noble families protecting it for no compensation. The king would need to be really damn noble to put up with that.
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No.628
>>627
That's kind of the point. I assume Tolkien's view on kingship was very much in line with Anglo-Saxon ideals. Look to the Rohirrim as a better example perhaps. Tolkien was a pacifist, but he still knew the value of defending yourself and perhaps most importantly, knew the importance of glorifying martial prowess, but not necessarily war itself.
Also the Hobbits COULD mobilize an army if required, they just never did. It was all militia armed with wood bows of course.
Also as far as the Jews were concerned, again he was more angry at the nazis for trying to politicize the Hobbit publication than he was defending Jews. You have to know the context of that letter was a reply to the natsoc government asking if he had any Jewish ancestry in regards to publishing his book. That, compounded with the fact he didn't like them and considered their interpretation of Norse and Germanic myths to be borderline travesty, probably made him shitpost as hard as he could in the letter. He also said the real Aryans were the Persians, or even the Gypsies.
And also, he never sent the letter. Take of that what you will.
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No.630
>>628
>Also as far as the Jews were concerned, again he was more angry at the nazis for trying to politicize the Hobbit publication than he was defending Jews. You have to know the context of that letter was a reply to the natsoc government asking if he had any Jewish ancestry in regards to publishing his book. That, compounded with the fact he didn't like them and considered their interpretation of Norse and Germanic myths to be borderline travesty, probably made him shitpost as hard as he could in the letter. He also said the real Aryans were the Persians, or even the Gypsies.
Yeah, that letter seems like some sort of "shitposting", out of legit annoyances of course.
>And also, he never sent the letter. Take of that what you will.
Seems Tolkien was a better man (or had harder time shitposting with physical mail) than most of us.
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No.632
>>592
>"They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully.
Yeah, the hobbit is trash
"And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."
Oh…
tfy have bad taste :(
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No.633
>>632
I wouldn't say the original LotR movies were 100% trash, it had some neat scenes. And I liked all the nature shots and locations mainly. I think what 'ol Christopher is thinking of are the scenes like Helms Deep and the battle for Minas Tirith.
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No.635
>>613
Defended meaning "defended their character" not "defended their rights". As in he insisted the jews were wonderful people.
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No.655
I'm amazed that everybody keeps placing the blame squarely on Peter Jackson for the way the Hobbit Films turned out. There are multiple indications that he wanted nothing to do with the production and kept trying to shoulder it onto another director, preferring to be put on as basically just the guy who signs the checks.
Guillermo del Toro was on the project for months and eventually resigned. Other directors refused the job. Let me highlight that this was The Hobbit they were being offered to direct.
I'd bet money that the insertion of Legolas, the invention of Tauriel, the niggerfication of Beorn, and the near-absence of any Tolkien-written lines in the film were all the consequence of dozens of parasitic hollywood suits trying to get their names into the credits just to have it on their resumes (which happens every time a guaranteed blockbuster comes into production).
When PJ was working on LOTR everyone thought he was nuts and ignored him. On the Hobbit films, the deadlines set for them were so resctricting that Jackson called in "sick" for like 12 weeks straight. They had to shoot all of Gandalf's scenes late because that guild or club McKellen's a member of was demanding such an insane amount of money just to have him on-screen that negotiations lasted almost as long.
And of course, there's the secret agenda of Hollywood to debase and corrupt anything that inspires or glorifies the achievements of noble men. But I have no idea how much of that Jackson was aware of.
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No.659
>>635
>Defended meaning "defended their character" not "defended their rights".
He didn't though. He was literally just shitposting in letter form.
It's the equivalent of going into /pol/ and talking great things about them. Same shit.
>>655
>niggerfication of Beorn
Explain. Beorn wasn't played by a nigger…unless that was some great CGI.
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No.669
>>659
Oh I just got the impression that the film Beorn only had aggression for the orcs because of being chained up and forced to fight, painting him with one broad stroke of "muh slavery" except he's a furry instead of a black man.
Niggerfication was the wrong word to use. In reality the actor was a 7 foot tall scandinavian mountain man who acted in local plays for fun.
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No.675
>>669
Came off to me as more the Orcs are fucking dicks.
Also as much as any slavery shit always turns to muh niggers, slavery is not good, especially when done to your own kin.
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No.704
>Everyone complaining about hobbit itt
I own it, it's not that bad
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No.752
What does Chris think of the Rankin Bass version?
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No.756
>>675
>any slavery shit always turns to muh niggers
This annoys me, because black people weren't the only race in history to be enslaved.
Vikings enslaved the people they captured, that included white people.
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No.764
>>756
Everyone got enslaved and most people had slaves at some point. American blacks are the main ones that never got over it, though.
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No.773
>>752
I think he called it "a Mixed Blessing", but I don't remember why.
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No.774
>>635
>>659
here's the letter
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No.775
>>613
Traditionalism is dead in 2017 so it's not hard to understand why so many people misunderstand what Tolkien believed and attempt to brand him with whatever modern political follies they've hopped themselves up on today.
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No.799
>>775
>Traditionalism is dead in 2017
No it's not anon. Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!
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No.819
>>590
what I don't understand is why didn't jacksoindo movies of silmarillion instead of hobbit? considering that he seems to like to make epic movies and silmarillion has full of epic stuff.
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No.820
>>819
Hobbit is more recognizable, easier to market.
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No.823
>>819
Silmarillion doesn't translate well to anything other than a book form
IIRC they tried to get the rights but got refused
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No.838
>>704
i fucking love the rankin bass version, don't understand how anybody could hate it
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No.841
>>838
I'm not a fan, the elves look like primitive gangly cavemen while the orcs look like toads. It's just ugly.
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No.850
>>841
eh, it's still better than jackson's fan-fiction tier schlock
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No.858
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No.859
>>590
Thank you all!
I thought that I was the only person who saw all this and realizes it.
Whilr Harry F! Potter was supposedly true to the book, ten minutes into the Two Towers, all I could think was,
"Tolkien penned this beautiful story, under the roughest of circumstances over his entire life. TRY USING SOME OF IT!"
The hobbit was a complete disappointment, never even finished the first installment.
Oh yeah. Liv Taylor, you're a beautiful woman, but your character had TWO appearances in the entire original story, and only ONE line! How dare you!
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No.861
>>858
you don't have to be a hipster to think inserting legolas into a book set 60 years before LOTR is fucking stupid, anon.
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No.869
>>861
Legolas was there. He is from that kingdom and elves are immortal, but he is never named in the Hobbit, so he should never have had a single line in the movie, nor the stupid brown wizard! What stupidity.
BTW anyone ever read 'Bored of the Rings' by the Harvard lampoon? Funny!
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No.880
>>590
Tolkien will rise from his grave to slaughter us all for this sacrilege
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No.881
>>880
but we didn't do it, it was jackson
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No.976
>>881
We're part of the civilization which made this possible
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No.991
>>596
This is still the best Hobbit adaptation. It manages to be more faithful the book in an hour and a half than Jackson in 9 hours.
>>591
I have an aquaintace who "loves LotR" (meaning the films) who bought the Hobbit movies on dvd and will get them on bluray, despite admitting that the films are godawful shit, in order to have the "complete collection". Fucking subhumans.
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No.1087
>>591
Wait till Chris kicks it. Guarantee his son will see the rights to it and remakes in a heart beat
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No.1093
>>1087
Pretty sure Christopher's son is also against this shit. He's even more against it than his father even. But we'll see.
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No.1121
>>774
Yeah, so to be honest I'm quite happy his work is getting Jewed up. I just wish he could be alive to see it.
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No.1127
>>1121
>I'm really glad one of the last great bodies of literature that embodies the Western spirit is being Jewed up
You don't belong here (((friend))).
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No.1138
>>1121
gtfo fag
Nazi racial theory is bollocks and Tolkien knew it, he was mostly just unhappy with the Nazis trying to politicise his work anyway
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No.1139
>>1138
I don't have it anymore, but in another letter he sent to Chris while he was in WWII was about how he thinks that traditionalism will become vilified in the west thanks to the Nazis overdoing it. I don't know how much he understood about the situation then, though. Most brits were pretty much in the dark and only knew Churchill's dramatic posturing.
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No.1146
>>1139
Tolkien's entire deslike of the natsocs waa purely one of decentralization vs centralization of power. Socially he was probably more right wing than them given he was a monarchist and could easily have been called a little Englander.
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No.1167
>>1139
>in another letter he sent to Chris while he was in WWII was about how he thinks that traditionalism will become vilified in the west thanks to the Nazis overdoing it
This would fit in with his criticism of the Nazis in general. I think some of the people who criticism him are too quick to call him a jew lover, etc. simply because he wasn't a NatSoc, when in those days it was simply the Germanic autistic manifestation of fascism/anti-Semtism.
>Most brits were pretty much in the dark and only knew Churchill's dramatic posturing.
Churchill was regarded as a drunk buffoon just blowing air during the 30s. Most Brits didn't care about him at all, much less agree with him. There was no desire for a war, but the autistic nature of NatSoc was alien to the Brits, who have never really gone for that sort of stuff. The dislike of Natsoc isn't really based on the Jews at all, it's mostly to do with that the fact that Brits tend to be more traditionalist rather than whatever the hell NatSoc was LARPing as. No disrespect to the Germans, though, NatSoc was great for them until 1939
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