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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.1476

When and how did the Elves figure out incest was bad? They already have the taboo against cousin-kissing when there was barely any cousins to kiss around. Preference for exogamy in the elven nobility is easy to explain: relatives became instant friends and allies. Fëanor's sons never had many friends outside other Noldor. Still, it doesn't explain the strict ban on cousin-marriages. Many a woe would have been avoided if they would have let the resident Elliot Rodger Maeglin score. Him being a mongrel person of diverse heritage, it shouldn't have resulted in harelips just yet.

Or perhaps it would. Negative recessive traits perhaps don't fit the description of Elves healthier in body than humans, but neither are they perfect. Maybe original orcs were what happened when Elves inbred. It would fit Tolkien's inspiration of orcs from the low class scum of Britain. Blaming Melkor for the creation of orcs might not be entirely correct; it could have been the hillbilly Avari fucking their sisters that started the orcish blight.

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 No.1477

>>1476

Yavanna probably told em it was bad I imagine.

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 No.1482

>>1476

Orcs weren't based on British underclass.

Also the distaste for cousin fucking is a universal thing across all cultures. Nobody is exactly sure why we know it's bad, but we just do.

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 No.1719

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>>1476

Incest is always good.

Reproductive incest is only bad if you are pro-Eugenics.

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 No.1720

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>>1719

Still, better to fuck your Mother and have babies, than a nigger.

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 No.1724

>>1482

>Orcs weren't based on British underclass.

Yeah, they were based on Gooks.

>Also the distaste for cousin fucking is a universal thing across all cultures.

No it's not. Muslims do it so much (combined with closer pairings I suspect considering the behavior of Muslims) that Paki babies in the UK are tied with birth defects. Diasporas like Jews or Gypsies do it. Cousin marriage is done in pastoral societies to keep resources like goats in the clan while still solidifying alliances among men.

>Nobody is exactly sure why we know it's bad, but we just do.

It only produces dysfunction if the breeding is from 1st cousins up. Marriages between further cousins actually are more fertile than pairings that aren't cousins at all.

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 No.1725

>>1719

shitposters please go

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 No.1726

>>1724

That's just because of cultural brainwashing, humans instinctively oppose incest

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 No.1746

>>1726

1. Humans are attracted to those who are like them genetically and have an aversion to miscegenation.

2. Plenty of societies allow pairings of cousins. Pairings closer than 1st cousins (parent and child, brother and sister, uncles, aunts) are opposed but there's still exceptions like the Egyptians with how inbred the pharaohs (complete with brothers marrying their sisters).

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 No.1751

>>1746

Studies have shown that children who grow up together are not attracted to one another, even if they aren't related. This is likely a biological phenomena to prevent incest since more often than not siblings will live together

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 No.1815

>>1751

It's called the Westermark effect and it only causes the aversion if the children are raised together, and the Egyptian royal household did not.

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 No.1848

>>1726

>muh culture muhfugga

leftypol pls go

Incest is bad because recessive alleles tend to run in families, making it more likely that the baby will get whatever genetic diseases the parents might have been carriers for. This is why people tend to breed outside their own families, and this is why heavily inbred populations like Jews or Arabs display hybrid vigor when they miscegenate: a partner from another population is much less likely to have the same recessive alleles and therefore much more likely to make a somewhat-healthy child.

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 No.1863

>>1751

Family that are not living with one another can go the opposite way. Just this year, a father that was reunited with his daughter, whom was put up for adoption early in her life, got impregnated by him and now they're married.

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 No.1865

>>1815

Yes, and it’s most likely a mechanism to prevent incest since siblings are more likely than not to live together

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 No.1866

>>1863

Well yeah, it’s not a perfect mechanism, but my point still stands

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 No.1867

>>1848

Did you even read the post, or did you just see “cultural brainwashing” and start sperging?

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