No.1460
>The Company of the Ring shall be Nine, and the Nine Walkers shall be set against the Nine Riders that are evil
The only reason the Fellowship didn't have any high elven champions was Elrond's pointless (were they going take turns fighting the nazguls one on one?) number autism after all the slots were taken by the useless midget package and some dudes that happened to be going in the same general direction on their way home. Glorfindel might not have been able to storm Barad-dûr, but he sure could have tag-teamed the balrog with Gandalf. No bullshit about Gandalf being meant to die at Moria. That divine providence nonsense gets contrived enough with God's plans hinging on a random hobbit letting a dangerous critter live for no apparent reason century before its completely unpredictable actions end up being needed in a completely unforseen context.
After this reread, I have become convinced the Wise just didn't give a shit. Elrond propably was indifferent to whether Sauron won or not as both eventualities would have been unpleasant for him personally. Sauron is defeated, Elrond loses his retirement home and daughter; Sauron wins, Elrond slowly loses his clientele but doesn't have to wait to the end of the physical universe before reuniting with his daughter.
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No.1461
A better thing to discuss is "why did Bakshi think that Aragorn was an American Indian?"
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No.1462
>>1461
He's introduced as coming from the race of the Kings from beyond western sea, so obviously he's descendant of injun conquerors. Though I don't know why Boromir is a generic barbarian instead of another feather indian.
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No.1464
>>1463
The elves might muslim-tier with their fatalism and belief in the absence of free will, but they sure didn't even put an earnest effort for trying to make a difference.
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No.1466
>>1465
According to the elvish religion, Men didn't have free will either. There's some claim humans weren't completely bound by the Music of Ainur, but that's propably bullshit with all the Men getting fucked by fate (Gollum, Túrin). But the Music is irrelevant, because Eru still exists and everything comes from him and the Music is just Him making His puppets dance for his amusement. In the published Silmarillion, God even mocks Melkor for thinking his mind was his own. We can ignore any general mental gymnastics trying to accommodate free will with an omnipotent and omniscient being, because they don't apply when Eru actively interferes with the closed system of Eä, making it completely impossible to have free will beyond the illusion.
It's easy to see why the Numenoreans were tempted by the religion peddled by Sauron. Even the slanderous version we get to see in Akallabêth has the allure of positing that Men had cosmic free will.
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No.1467
i clearly remember that in silmalirion eru gave the humans the ability to alter the music/escape the fate for the low price of mortality
but then there is turin whos story goes against that
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No.1468
I think you missed an important theme here dude. JRRT frequently said everything he wrote was heavily colored by his religious conviction. Elrond spent the Third Age doing nothing but kicking ass, and by his estimation he had little to show for it. Asskicking wasn’t going to solve the problem of the ring. He gambled instead on the power of friendship.
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No.1469
>>1467
Túrin‘s shitshow was a direct result of Morgoth turning the world against him because he held a grudge against his dad.
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No.1471
“The number must be few, since your hope is in
speed and secrecy. Had I a host of Elves in armour
of the Elder Days, it would avail little, save to
arouse the power of Mordor.”
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No.1472
>>1466
Except that isn't the case at all. Eru only ever truly interfered once, by sinking Numenor.
All the other little things like Bilbo finding the ring, that was all the result of the third melody of the Music, the inclusion of free will and the two races.
To say the elves have no free will is wrong either. Both elves and men have free will. It's just elves by nature are bound to Arda and so their actions are turned towards it, while men's are turned more inward towards their own gain and glory at worst, and towards the greater concepts like freedom, discovery, and so forth at best.
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No.1492
>>1466
>In the published Silmarillion
>Even the slanderous version we get to see in Akallabêth
I realise you might probably be long gone, but would you mind expanding upon why you hate the published Silmarillion so much?
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No.1519
>>1492
He meant to say that the religion that Sauron was peddling was slanderous, not that the Silmarillion was bad. I think.
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No.1541
>>1461
>why did a jew portray the King of Gondor as an injun
Well gee I do wonder…
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