No.1907
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No.1910
*unwraps waybread*
Yep, the fall of Gondolin. Now THAT
*nibbles*
was a fall!
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No.1912
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No.1917
>>1912
t. butthurt valar who got his shit fucked up by elves
Also why the fuck is Morgoth wearing chainmail?
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No.1918
>>1917
>why the fuck is Morgoth wearing chainmail?
b-because I thought it looked cool
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No.1919
>>1918
Both are pretty good anon, i'm just used to Melkor being depicted with plate armor.
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No.1930
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No.1931
>>1912
>>1918
>>1930
Why is the Iron Crown orange?
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No.1932
>>1931
Oxidisation :)))))))))))))))
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No.1934
>>1931
Because it's really hot?
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No.1935
>>1931
Are you happy now? Anything else I need to change?
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No.1940
For quick scribbles, I like how your Melkor looks.
>>1935
Now it looks desaturated. Maybe you could add a glow coming from between his armour's plates.
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No.1946
>>1940
I've had it! Color him yourself
thanks for the complements
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No.1949
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No.1950
So this is a drawing thread now, right?
>>1948
>>1949
Pure kino
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No.1952
This is Aule
What should I change about him?
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No.1959
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No.1960
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No.1968
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No.1970
>>1959
>made the dwarves in spite of Illuvatar's warnings
>befriended Feanor and the Noldor
>voted for the closing of Valinor
>chose Saruman to be a wizard
Aule did nothing right.
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No.1976
>>1968
>>1975
I find it funny that the Ents were intended as natural predators for dwarves. No wonder the first of the beardmanlets sought to live in caves when the primordial forests were filled with killer walking trees out for dwarf blood.
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No.1978
>>1975
>Aule gets told that his dwarves have to sleep until the Children of Illuvatar are created
>but the ents get to be conscious before any of the elves do, hence Treebeard's nickname Eldest
Whose dick did Yavanna suck?
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No.1979
>>1978
Eru's through Manwë's, duh. But more seriously, I thought Ents are low-end spirits stuffed in trees like the Eagles are low-end spirits stuffed in eagles and dwarves lowest-end spirits stuffed in clay golems or just rocks.
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No.1980
>>1979
I'm pretty sure they like elves and men
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No.1983
>>1980
*ARE like elves and men
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No.1995
>>1980
If they are just like Children of Ilúvatar, that really devalues the term. Like those two sapient species are extra special for some reason, but then theres all these other critters that are exactly the same. I'm going with the idea that ents and dwarves are just the soulless but sapiently animated part of olvar and kelvar.
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No.1996
>>1995
Tolkien has a fairly in-depth history of the dwarves though. If they have no souls, then all of that is pointless. In fact, it makes The Hobbit a mostly pointless story too, considering that Tolkien didn't have LOTR in mind when he wrote it. Dwarves are very apparently beings of a lower order than men and elves, shouldn't that be enough to make the true Children of Illuvatar special?
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No.1997
>>1996
According to the published Silmarillion, Elves believed the dwarves returned to stone after death, presumably also believing the Naugrim lacked any soul comparable to the Children. I would think that having no real soul, but still striving to live a good life, fits Tolkien's theme of fighting the good fight even at the face of little to no hope. Is the life of an animal worthless just because it won't have an afterlife?
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No.1998
>>1997
If they didn't have souls then why would Eru be needed to animate them?
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No.2001
>>1997
>According to the published Silmarillion, Elves believed the dwarves returned to stone after death
And the dwarves believed that they had their own halls in Mandos and that somwtimes they reincarnated in Middle-Earth, indicating that they do have souls.
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No.2006
>>2001
Only the line of Durin was believed to be reincarnated.
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No.2016
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No.2018
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No.2160
>>1918
the chainmail was better.
Nobody in the Silm wears plate because it hadn't been invented yet. The dwarves made chain and sold it, and that's how they became rich.
until the noldor arrived and copied them
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No.2163
>>2160
I wouldn't be too eager to take any mention of any technology of the texts set in Third Age times as definitive about the technology used in-setting. Tolkien emulated the style of epics and romances, in which the people of the writer's past are often presented to have been close the same as the writer's contemporaries. People of the late Third Age used chain mail, ergo the text "written" by them feature chain-mail. Who knows what kind of armour (near-)divine smiths actually made in the hoary olden days?
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No.2164
>>2163
*set in times earlier than Third Age
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No.2268
>>2160
yeah, middle earth is pretty much a chainmail and spangenhelm setting but i would make an exception for melkor, because he is a god. think about it as him wearing tectonic plates hardened by fire and ice from hell on himself.
as far as i am concerned this guys designs are canon. as in, elves gods, spirits and all that other shit can wear clothes and armor made from leafs, shells and a sound of a stream (or at least can make it look like this) but noldor, humans and dwarfs still go for chainmail in 99% of cases because it is easier to mass produce
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No.2319
>>2163
Even in earlier revisions where Aelfwine is the disseminating source for the Red Book, there's still no plate. Even in the Fall of Gondolin, written before the very concept of a 'Third Age' is liable to have existed in Tolkien's head, the inventory of Gondolin lists plenty of mail and halberks but no plate armor.
I think it's very unlikely Tolkien ever intended the Noldor to wear plate. The Numenoreans have a better case for it. Full plate armor (e.g. not overlapping plates like lorica segmentata or the dendra panoply) developed on the battefield according to changes in weapon tactics and technology. Namely, the rise of an entire class of skilled users of ranged weapons (first longbows and crossbows, then early firearms) that diminished the utility of traditional mail armor in pitched setpiece battles. The Noldor of the First Age certainly have the metallurgical and infrastructural capacity, but the need is questionable.
Neither Morgoth nor Sauron's orcs are known for being particularly skilled with ranged weaponry. The use of poison and barbed tips suggests that they're not particularly good at hitting their foes, that they need to make every arrow count.
Pitched setpiece battles are also rare in the First Age. There's only six of them, across ~580 years. One doesn't feature the Noldor, one comes just after they arrive from Valinor, another has literal divines plus the Vanyar backing them up. It was far more common, especially during the Siege of Angband years, for Morgoth's orcs to use skirmish and raid tactics instead of devoting resources to pitched battle. In such a circumstance, chain armor has far more utility than plate armor.
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