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<"But I ask. How can we have free will if praying is supposed to be effective?"

this is a great question and it has a great answer. God is all powerful and knows everything. God created everything. since God created everything, God controls everything. since God controls everything, there is no such thing as free will. God created free will, but since God created free will, God controls it, so there is no free will but of course this is a special paradox created by God. since God created paradoxes, God also controls paradoxes. God controls all, in true reality and in fake reality. It doesn't have to make sense to our imperfect human minds. since God knows everything and is all knowing and all powerful, God is responsible for all the thoughts that enter your mind. God knows all the thoughts you ever had, all the thoughts you ever could have had, all the thoughts you might ever have, all the thoughts you will never have, and all the thoughts you will have. because of this, technically speaking, prayer is obsolete and isn't necessary. that being said, things like prayer do make God happy. God likes it when you pray even though God already knows what you are going to pray. it's just a nice thing on our part, a small effort as if to say that we are doing this nice little thing for God because we know it pleases God. I hope this answers your question.

I'm going to make a nice prayer now right here.

please God almighty the one and only God the most wise and the most powerful who is our God and our heaven, hear my prayer. thank you for allowing 8chan to exist so that we imperfect human beings who are secretly the greatest philosophers of our time and yet rejects of an even more imperfect society could be allowed to converge here and discuss what need be discussed with true freedom of speech by your will. thank you God for sending your voice to us so that we may have a positive and good effect on the world. Amen.

>many religions are designed to get in ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>human beings are imperfect, and everything they make, say, do, and so on is imperfect, including bible, scripture, stories, any religious texts, books, teachings, and so on. some things in life like a sturdy house are well built and good quality but nothing we do is perfect by the standards of God.

>the word of God doesn't come from the bible. everything here is a false idol including the bible, money, statues, kings, and so on.

Exodus 20

>"You shall have no other gods before Me."You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."

Deuteronomy 5

>You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

>the word of God only comes straight from God.

>what all imperfect human beings are searching for is not temporary, or lasting, but rather eternal peace and and happiness and love and freedom. this can only be reached through not obtaining, grasping, or driving yourself or others crazy, but rather being gifted perfection by God.

>perfection is not a human definition. any idea of perfection that human beings have is imperfect. God is the sole true understander and beholder of perfection. God is perfect, and only God can grant perfection. (being let into heaven to become better)

different kinds of responses I got to my thread and my answers for them

>If you're smart enough to figure any of that out you should also be smart enough to realize that anyone else as smart would havPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>But by attacking religion you are attacking the only thing which has protected humanity in history and you are attacking the very reason humans are allowed to exist!

>If you maintain your anti-religious views you are forfeiting your right to exist as a human on this plane and will face the karmic consequences of such acts!

>Religion did a great job of protecting humanity, becase humanity still exists! If there had been no religion you wouldn't be online typing that, because you would be extinct!

Saying that religion did a great job of protecting humanity is like saying that hardcore illegal street drugs did a great job of making many people feel better because humanity still exists. Lets just totally disregard how many lives have been destroyed by hardcore illegal street drugs (and the gang wars, drug wars, and actual wars it's created) as well as religion and the wars it's created right? Just because something bad existed and posed a challenge to humanity- and humanity survived doesn't mean that it was entirely beneficial or even good at all. because of religion, people were tortured in dungeons because their beliefs didn't line up with the beliefs of those who were torturing them.

Religion has been one of the biggest methods by which human beings have manipulated and controlled each other as well as one of the biggest reasons for almost every single war that has ever been fought up until and including modern history. Protecting humanity? Religion is a scam. It's a business just like war. "Hey be very afraid so give your church all this money because god needs your money and he loves you but you're going to hell forever so no killing, meanwhile go kill all these people because they don't believe what you believe! also, do whatever we say or god will be very upset with you!"

>"Hey let me in!, Who is it? It's jesus let me in! Why? Because I need to protect you! From what? FROM WHAT I'M GOING TO DO TO YOU IF YOU DON'T LET ME IN!"

Religion is a cucked up scam that distances people from God. why worship an impefect human created system when I can just worship God directly?

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Very similar example can be found in first six star wars movies by george lucas.

>Jedi rules forbid attachment (but promotes compassion) (as they wage wars for political/religious bullshit, and ignore the cries for help from others who are in need like anakins dying mother)

So love isn't forbidden since compassion is like universal love as anakin explains in episode 2 I believe. This attatchment isn't about love, it's just any attachment at all. Some of the crystal chakra anons say similar things sometimes as an example. (meh…)

>All Jedi are ignorant to the fact that they are all very attached to the Jedi Order

This is a huge problem because they start to think the way that brainwashed liberals or lazy burnt out conservatives do (Plenty of offense intended, but in good will. Rediscover your roots) Liberals in the old fashioned sense wanted more freedom for good reasons. Conservatives in the old fashioned sense want to preserve or conserve and protect what freedom already exists. our founding fathers of our country USA were a special mix of old fashioned liberal and conservative in the same body, per each individual. In 2019, Liberals run wild demanding the destruction of freedom and Conservatives are lazy sleeping hippos that don't conserve anything. Both suffer from an immense lack of Self Awareness. The reason the USA was successful was that people had a balance of the right types of liberal and conservative thought with a very high amount of self awareness… for their time, yea nothing is perfect, I know. I'm not making a force balance argument here. I think that the sith, jedi, grey, are all BS. You can have any powers and use any color light saber but how you use them is what makes you good or bad. Titles are just a BS mask.

Similarly, different religions make a serious effort to warn their believers or readers to avoid intentionally or accidentally worshipping false gods or false idols but fail to properly warn anyone against falling victim to considering the religion and its books and symbolism as idols as gods. At the end of every religion, people forget about the god that is mentioned in its pages, and they bend over and bow down and woPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Woo! That was difficult, but there you go. Now people can read it again. No thanks to mewch!

>>131784

>take a look at current Russian parapsychology for the state of the art.

Links?

I have a book on Czech Parapsychology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_vj5CXiY8s&list=PLGtvOOumQPkkxilmBymRXxOOMKCFdCYyx

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>>131833

This kid is like rage comics tier in terms of irrelevance and overall cringe factor.

>>131835

He's good looking though (no homo).

>>131900

You seem like a brainwashed /pol/tard

>>131920

<nothing's stopping you from starting a completely separate board

>hurr durr you're defending /fringe/

>>131920

His first book was in 1932. So Israel Regardie is still in. As is Manly P. Hall and some others.

There's always >>>/occult/

>>131926

implying

>>131663

I think it depends, but usually these rituals aren't just written willy-nilly. Afaik you channel information for the ritual via invocation or possession. Additionally the involved entities tend to enchant the chants and spells and infuse them with their essence so as to drastically highten the potency of said spells. According to some occultists it is the specific words in their order that get enchanted for greater effect, which is why some claim that translating them is not advised.

However! Intention always matters much more than the thing being picture-perfect. If you feel the spells working just as much in your native tongue, then translate them. I'd be interested to hear about possible differences.

>>131665

Oh. Interesting.

>>131667

Disregard this post then. I haven't ever tried translating any rituals.

>do what works

Nothing more to add.

Please do experiment and report your findings, I would be delighted.

>>131668

Will do friend.

Thank you all for all the help, in the following days I'll prepare myself for the ritual, in the mean time I'll read the Modern Angelic Grimoire by Opus and check the wordpress page anon mentioned. Have a good one everyone!

>>131656

95% of this mega is trash

>>131656

>>131695

You ain't wrong there lmao

>>131724

Helps weed out the undeserving. Most every occult book I've read is at least half bullshit conjecture by the author anyway. Fucking with mundanes here is a drop in the bucket.

>>130732

Why are you posting these shill images that point to a website that immediately redirects to a shady url that would probably install a virus on my computer if I didn't have a script blocker?

And by the way it's pitiful to pretend that you can block curses with the impotent new age hippy bullshit you're pushing. If you're attacked and don't immediately set to completely and utterly destroying your attacker, you're completely at their mercy.

Also if you weren't such a pitiful whelp afraid of metaphysically asserting your dominance over others you wouldn't have to resort to shilling in order to feed yourself. Which ironically is just a cruder, more ineffective form of psychic manipulation.

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>>131725

do you have any more information on such shilling as you speak of?

not sure if you're trying to make valid points or just be an edge-l0rd but if you are trying to make valid points…i would like to know more

>>131799

Information on shilling? He's been posting his ms paint video course ads all over the board, not sure what other information you need.

>>131729

>Which ironically is just a cruder, more ineffective form of psychic manipulation

Exactly. He’s not only trying to manipulate people into his believe system, but on top of that he’s doing it like a coward.

>>128941

Forgot to add, on top of mainstream ideas out of chaos theory i.e. the butterfly effect, the actual potential for action at a distance based on retroactive causality could be endless.

Look up the equations of magic in the book Liber Kaos by Peter J Carroll. The author takes a non-dogmatic and results focused stance on magic. He talks about The various factors in making a change in your reality, both that work for you and against you. the biggest takeaway is that you need to have high levels of concentration and a strong link to whatever you wish to change. A factor that works against you is how much you desire the outcome.

>>128945

I got started in the magick world through chaos magick. It is the perfect way to get into magick because it focuses on pragmatism, critical thinking, and mental fluidity (don't stay stuck in one paradigm, shift your beliefs, work within multiple frameworks, don't be stuck up with you preconceived notions about reality but be ready to take on new assumptions at a whim and to throw away old beliefs if necessary and revive them later a time if necessary. Even though I like Hermetics so much and know it to be truth, I wouldn't have figured out how true it is, had I not got my start in chaos magick first.

bump

>>125688

Replying to old digits. This is true, but you need to know what you're doing. Otherwise anger and negative emotions in general will fuck you up if you keep them close without control.

Actual example: if you cast a curse and output a lot of negativity but fail to connect energetically with your target before you open the floodgates, you will create a cloud around you that will affect you more than your target. Also that's why you should learn when to banish after a ritual and when not to.

>>131710

Spiders can't feel empathy you retard. They're solitary predators.

>>131706

> use their imagination

Shit nigger use he. As if there were women in imageboards

>>131708

nofap is a way to assert the superior Will over the instinctual animal drives, the samsaric.

Same with many other things such as training the body, or going to war (though assertion of the Will is just one part of going to war).

I can do retrograde ejaculation with transcendental meditation masturbation. I piss out the giant loads afterwards.

>>131714

You mean pushing that part between balls and anus shut? It does make the orgasm more intense and you can go for longer.

pls elaborate on the curing gender dysphoria part?

>>130074

interesting.

I was going to try to cure my gender dysphoria through HRT and various facial surgeries, but I'll try something else if that doesn't work out for me.

/fringe/ - transsexuals praying the gay away with Jesus

just let this board die already

>>130150

>>131654

>>131657

The christian stuff is nonsense, will probably make gender dysphoria even worse by way of repression. The best course of action is therapy, cutting out porn and making healthier lifestyle choices.

>>131678

no, the best course of action is becoming an immortal with sidhi powers. in every case…heh

>>129402

Thank you kindly, anon. With this list of scholars you've provided, I will have no shortage of useful study material for the foreseeable future.

It's too bad that there doesn't seem to be any contemporary esotericists who can measure up to the standards of Evola, compared to whom most other occult authors are mere dilettantes; perhaps it's a consequence of the further decline in the age of Kali Yuga. What a shame if the best that the current generation of occultists has to offer is Styxhexenhammer666!

"Occultism" is reading books - The Thread

Can anybody upload an ebook or scan The Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism? The book had a ridiculously short print run (not because of Jewish tricks this time) and I can't find a copy anywhere. I'm interested in his valid and crucial take of modern forms of spiritualism being outlets of escapism, and I was also surprised he held Crowley and Gurdjieff in a high or at least a positive regard and want to know more.

Here's the Arktos podcast review of the book.

>https://youtu.be/rw6G485JraM

>>89508

in that it wasn't spiritual enough, which I guess can be associated with the right due to the tradition of religion. I recall a quote about how it tried to adorn itself with religion like a newly rich man does with culture. But it did it heavy handedly through the catholic church.

>>124537

here it is completed

lol

>>124540

accompanying soundtrack

w/o sage

I hope he has a backlog of fresh knowledge garnered during his absence and starts uploading his findings consistently.

Reflection provides insight.

Metaphor provides context.

>>131058

I like that you're using adjectives in all instances when you refer to the subject of your curse, meaning good Jews like myself will be spared. Thank you for taking that into consideration.

How do you empower this prayer?

>>131068

>spammer

Which one?!

You guys are testing me.

Pls don't make me snap. I don't want to snap. You wouldn't like me if I snapped.

HAHA WHICH ONE?!

>>131039

the bible is filled with black magic, yes Psalms is filled

with it but also letters by Paul as well, I surmise that

Paul would talk about his sufferings as if to challenge

others to put themselves in those situations for Paul

to fool them into allowing abuse in their lives,

I think it is Corinthians where Paul says that his hands

are marked for Jesus, it was a ritual for some to have

their hands & feet branded by hot irons & for this they

stay in Greek temple of the gods for protection as if

to incite others to willingly get their hands & feet branded

& to allow injury to be incurred on themselves as I

believe that Paul would challenge or provoke people

to ruin their lives by willingly incur injury on themselves

as if it would make them better than Paul in the sufferings

he talked of in his life,

There's no need to level curses at the Jews.

Just call them out in their bullshit.

Jesus did that and they're still butthurt.

Avoid dogmatism. The Jews are lords of dogmatism and all manner of secret/manipulative dogmas.

(See: Talmud)

>>131261

Are you real?

What is the point you made? This is pathetic for someone who actually wants to be taken seriously. I thought you just finished a DMT trip or something and posted the first thing you typed. Try again.

NOTHING LASTS FOREVER

JESUS LASTS FOREVER

NOTHING IS SOMETHING

SOMETHING LASTS FOREVER

ZERO DIVIDED BY ZERO

NOTHING DIVIDED BY NOTHING

SOMETHING IS DIVIDED BY SOMETHING

SO IF NOTHING LASTS FOREVER

AND JESUS ONLY LASTS FOREVER

THEN JESUS IS THE [SOMETHING] IN [SOMETHING] DIVIDED BY [SOMETHING]

-1=0=1

ZERO IS ONETHING

ONETHING IS ZERO BECAUSE ZERO IS ONETHING

NO ONETHING IS NOTHING AND ZERO IS ONETHING

>>131544

If your rambling is true then I suppose the Buddhist conception of the self is more mathematically valid than the Hindu conception of self.

>>131560

Thanks for explaining your proposition so well.

>>131560

It is true, look at my premises.

Thank you for your opinion, but I prefer experiencing all that "bullshit" by myself. I'm not fond of the Idea of someone telling what's real and what's not.

>>131522

I didn't know you invented being an obnoxious faggot.

>>119653

I really appreciate all of your posts. Good read. Thank you

I happen to own a copy of the Vampire Bible which I ordered from the Temple of the Vampire. Anyone else?

Im going to meditate on this idea. Im not sure I would take it to your conclusion, but I have heard the idea that the idea that every person you interact with forms an energy connection.

It might not be that the person is an energy vampire per say. But if the victim felt inferior, and hasnt been able to "get over it", perhaps the victim could be "willingly" giving the energy away. In which case, breaking the energy connection consciously could be the thing that allows them to evolve past these issues.

Spitballing here, but it has piqued my interest.

>>127756

if you have a knowledge, so what? You still trade something in, evenly.

>>131508

>>131508

Fuck I pressed post by mistake.

I was a member for a while, but they insisted on a no drug policy and I wanted to do an ayahuasca ceremony some time in the future, so they asked me to go away and deleted all my posts (although there were several caffeine and tobacco addicted members which wasn’t a problem apparently, and neither was alcohol).

Their leader Nemo is a cool guy. He’s like 70 or 80 by now and he sounds 30. His audios programs are OK and the books are nice (I got those pirated before deciding to join).

They’re pretty mundane overall.