>>141791
>The kind of magic I want to do isn't "you do a ritual today and something happens a month later" magic.
>To me that's not "real magic", it can't be tested, it can't really be observed, and the outcomes can more likely be attributed to natural phenomenon or random chance.
It can definitely be tested, if you know how society normally moves and start from your position of not having any experience, that's where you are, but you have to start somewhere. I've done this enough that I can fairly accurately categorize my ritual spells according to which time from of activation and effect is needed. Quick spells take effect in around 2 weeks. Slower will start showing in around 2 - 4 months, but will take effect in 1 -2 years. Difficult spell with a specific target can take longer than 2 years.
It is testable and repeatable. As an example I hexed a politician to cause "dirt" to stick to him in a way that he had to end his career. It took over 2 years, but it was 100% effective. It manifested as an association with certain people being exposed, which made it impossible for him to represent the party. The technical reason for this is that you can't suddenly manifest bad social associations for a person, if he had not been involved with them for 2 years it would not have had the effect of ruining his reputation.
>For example, lets say a guy is having problems getting his wife pregnant, he does the kind of magic you are talking about and after a few months of trying she finally gets pregnant.
>He'll tell himself that it's because of the magic he did, but he won't KNOW that for sure, it could just as easily been random chance.
Causing pregnancy is more of a "supernormal ability" than situational magic. It can be done with instant results, and easily verifiable since the woman will tell everyone that she is now pregnant.
>So, to summarize:
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