Initiation into Hermetics 03/20/19 (Wed) 04:38:33 No. 129477
Someone to ask me a question about the initial exercise of Initiation into Hermetics?
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03/20/19 (Wed) 11:29:53 No. 129480
>>129477
Is there evidence Hermetics ever existed?
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03/20/19 (Wed) 11:36:15 No. 129482
Is there evidence that sages from India, Persia, the Great Republic of China and other oriental places travelled to Egypt in them days to visit Hermes?
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03/20/19 (Wed) 20:17:22 No. 129497
>>129480
Yes. Go read a book
>>129482
This is based on the belief, not the practice. Hermeticism is theosophical, so are many sects of Buddhism. You don't need to believe Hermes lived 300 years in order to reap the psychological benefits of the practice and philosophy.
Either you're just poking fun, or you really need to go read the Kybalion. Your questions are ridiculous.
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03/21/19 (Thu) 00:37:39 No. 129501
>psychological benefits
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03/21/19 (Thu) 00:39:09 No. 129502
>Is there evidence […]?
>Yes. Go read a book
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03/21/19 (Thu) 04:35:41 No. 129504
Where to find books?
My local library does not have a copy of anything by Franz Bardon. Any suggestions as to the kind of stores or places that might have copies of his stuff?
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03/21/19 (Thu) 09:47:28 No. 129507
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03/21/19 (Thu) 16:40:07 No. 129509
>>129501
Well, there certainly are spiritual benefits as well, but I suspect you're that skitzoposter from the newcomers thread. I'm curious, though, what are your issues with what I said?
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03/24/19 (Sun) 06:19:25 No. 129570
>>129529
Hi I'm a veteran of this board. I can tell you after many years of thoroughly soaking in this board's information, you have no reason to lurk here. Here is what you will find:
>some creative concepts that'd be nice for a fictional story
>tulpamancy aka water-bending imaginary friends in a way that lets you learn to use them somewhat effectively to supplant actual people with enough practice
>a thorough understanding of symbolic maps that will help you categorize your mind's thoughts like an encyclopedia or wiki article
>the euphoric sensation of feeling enlightened and meaningful when you aren't; aka low-key ASMR and skin-orgasms
>people who don't understand memetics that call it meme magic because they view religion and propaganda as one in the same; which isn't entirely wrong
>a bunch of self-help advice you could have found on various fitness/health/training and logic/politics/philosophy boards
>deviant art of mages
>some paranormal bullshit that doesn't make any fucking sense that leaked in here from /x/
>a lot of [redacted] due to me spending a great deal of time educating this board on how full of shit it mostly is
>gods that are in reality just archetypal personalities/fictional characters repeated in memes and stories
>chakras that are just symbolic representations of places in your body where your emotions strongly affect your physical reactions
>occasional gross spell suggestions you can 100% ignore without missing anything
>rituals that do nothing beyond entertain children and make delusional people feel important
>lucid dreaming tips that don't work unless you have a chemical imbalance in your brain
>generalizations about the universe that have no evidence and purely are "we feel this is right and you can't technically disprove it; therefore believe us it's true" when you'd get far more out of reading the average intro to philosophy textbook
>sexual shit that isn't magical at all it's just meme sewage that leaked out of the foreskin of this board's roleplay wizards
>larping roleplayers who lie to you, themselves, or outright have serious mental illnesses they are unable to acknowledge
>conspirists and political extremists that have the logical system of a pig trough
>the strong danger of being perfectly sane yet still mislead and persuaded into believing shit that isn't real, because not being mislead requires a lot of experience and research on logic and philosophy prior to jumping into studying magic: a giant body of fallacious philosophy mixed with pseudo-scientific spirituality that occasionally when the planets align actually causes something important to happen
>astronomy explained in the most retarded fallacious way possible
>E P Y C W Y N N
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03/24/19 (Sun) 12:17:25 No. 129576
Catpiss occultists fear him!
Behold the might of E p y c [redacted] W y n n!
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03/24/19 (Sun) 15:07:48 No. 129580
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03/24/19 (Sun) 18:21:49 No. 129592
>>129580
Because creative abstract concepts, organizing the mind, efficiency at wielding imaginary beings, understanding the emotional bio-chemical aspects of the body, knowing the common types/memes in religions, and general rules of thumb/categories of the universe that seem relatively reasonable, are useful for me personally and majyykal information has a high rate of producing this information.
Also, I think majyykal study may have an indirect relationship with the learner's luck and it also may have insight into the relationship between the biosphere and the ideosphere.
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03/28/19 (Thu) 16:00:32 No. 129684
>>129592
I have recently gained some insight into the Numinous because of C.S. Lewis when reading/listening one of his books The Problem of Pain.
I remember David Myatt talking a lot about it but not paying too much attention.
What do you think of the numinous?
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03/28/19 (Thu) 20:22:24 No. 129692
>>129684
Enlightenment: Becoming supremely empathetic and calm. Commonly experienced. By itself, an often strong inspiration for laziness. Should not be considered the end-game and should always be combined with Illumination or the strive for Illumination.
Illumination: Becoming one with your ideal self. Uncommonly experienced. Great for becoming a leader. Usually a lifelong struggle to maintain this once one commits to becoming illuminated. Enlightenment is part of Illumination.
Numinous: A term for hypothetically experiencing something that is mostly indescribable, not perceived by senses, and not understood through logic; requires divine/interdimensional intervention. Commonly claimed to have been experienced by people who do not understand their own minds and bodies and often caused by mistaking 'imagination' and 'awe' and 'asmr' and 'placebo' for it. It would more accurately apply to beings that exist in a far away dimension with different physics from our own who in turn would of course have different experiences that for us would lack a point of reference. The only way this could possibly happen is through divine/interdimensional intervention by an outside force beyond our own. Exceedingly low odds of this having ever happened apart from the forces causing our Big Bang. Most likely entirely random and uncontrollable on the recipient's end; recommended to not bother pursuing -if it does happen, then it happens regardless of the recipient's will.
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03/29/19 (Fri) 02:51:08 No. 129699
>>129497
The kybalion is not even good, between wrong semantics and making a meme principle of "gender" while it is part of the principle of polarity in the end, I find it not meriting its success.
IIH, while not perfect, is much better and coherent.
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03/29/19 (Fri) 07:14:06 No. 129701
>>129699
I don't think subject-object is really a polarity.
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03/30/19 (Sat) 02:45:52 No. 129723
>>129699
>The base principles of Hermeticism are all wrong because I don't understand them.
you do realize that the 7 principles are meant to go hand-in-hand, right? You do know that the 7 principles explain physics before the apple dropped or the first boat circled the globe, right? Take the principle of polarity out and you mystify the rest of the principles. Take the principle of gender out and you diminish the lesson. Much of western occultism has a great deal to do with the relationship between the masculine and feminine.
You have no understanding of magic if you reject the 7 principles. They are immutable laws that reproduce themselves around you at every moment. You might as well call yourself a mundie.
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03/30/19 (Sat) 05:30:58 No. 129726
>>129477
Hi, was recently reading that and wondering what mate
rial/object pertains to and has affinities with air?
Pumice, smoke and anything that is an offshoot of fire seem to be fine, but I wanted an easier to find material.
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03/30/19 (Sat) 05:31:52 No. 129727
>>129726
just adding as reference, bone and husks of living creatures work too
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05/15/19 (Wed) 20:08:47 No. 131152
If Mr. Bardon really was a magus how come he couldn't cure his pancreatitis?
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05/16/19 (Thu) 04:06:07 No. 131173
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn still exists today and only do initiations at their temples.
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05/16/19 (Thu) 06:01:45 No. 131178
>>131152
Read Crowley’s biography and you will understand.
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05/16/19 (Thu) 08:13:07 No. 131183
>>129570
>a thorough understanding of symbolic maps that will help you categorize your mind's thoughts like an encyclopedia or wiki article
That's interesting. Where can I learn about it?
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06/17/19 (Mon) 18:05:10 No. 132390
>>131178
This person does not know.
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06/18/19 (Tue) 02:15:52 No. 132413
>>131152
I don't know why, and I find it very disappointing, but I have personally witnessed and been around various healers and psychic persons with legitimate, demonstrable, overt powers that do indeed influence others; and I find they just can't heal themselves.
True fact; the Medicine Men in Native American culture work on healing each other as they aren't able or aren't allowed to heal themselves. So they will do lots of healing work for awhile but then if they get really sick they'll meet with other powerful medicine men to be healed.
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06/18/19 (Tue) 04:01:39 No. 132425
>>131183
Many explorations of those symbolic maps. Chakras, archetypes, tree of life, ideal forms, etc. Every culture/religion/philosophy/ideology makes an attempt.
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06/18/19 (Tue) 04:07:49 No. 132427
>>129723
Are you a god? Yet even in your godliness don't let your own light blind yourself in arrogance.
It would perhaps be more accurate to say that anyone that has any understanding of magic has in fact some acceptance of the 7 principles in some form or another.
The whole point of Hermeticism is to bring to light the inherent philosophy underpinning all others, even as they try to invalidate it… It all only ends up verifying the actuality that is the truth of the principles. It all starts with the mind.
Everything is perhaps some sort of perennial philosophy in it's own right. But the ideal adherent of perennial thought does not demand others to learn any philosophy but instead exposes all others as the same.
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06/18/19 (Tue) 07:12:38 No. 132435
I remember reading somewhere (it may have been Rawn Clark, I don't remember) that the physical step 1 exercise in relation to cold showers is meant to be an alchemical thing in relation to being warm, then being cold, then being warm again. Would it then be fine to substitute it with something else that fulfills the same principals? I live in quite a cold part of the world so I'm looking for a way around cold showers. Maybe if the specific use of water is important it could be done in a room with a heater on with a bowl of cold water, rubbing it on the body that way, in an environment where you'll be at least a bit colder but not to the point of becoming ill? It seems like it would logically make sense to me, but maybe there are some underlying principals that I'm not aware of yet. Anyone?
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06/18/19 (Tue) 18:16:47 No. 132464
>>129699
>making a meme principle of "gender" while it is part of the principle of polarity
This just shows you don't understand the principles. For one way of explaining the difference, see here >>129701 since I don't feel like going into more detail.
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06/20/19 (Thu) 03:38:59 No. 132523
>>132427
It's not arrogance if you're right. Your claims are subjective, but I appreciate the levelheadedness. The principles are an objective matter, though. If they do indeed reveal the underlying similarities between other magical sects, then this is only evidence that all magical traditions find their root in Hermeticism, against their objections. The same can be said for any chemist, mathematician, or astrologer. They can all (objectively) find their root in Hermeticism.
The principles are law. The principles are irrefutable. The principles are the only written word from that which is divine. All magic owes credit to this body of god given information, but some would rather just sell oils on etsy while ignoring the great work.
Your level of initiation determines your understanding of the principles, because passive acceptance alone will do you no good. Magic is a science, you wouldn't get a pass in math class for simply accepting a formula as true just because it's inherent in reality. You must learn and understand also, a skill apparently lacking in most here.
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06/21/19 (Fri) 15:47:55 No. 132573
>>129570
you need to lurk more bucko
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06/21/19 (Fri) 19:33:58 No. 132578
>>132523
Why this and not that, so goes the question.
It's the best so far, perhaps but is it good enough? And why is it good?
It's the most concise? Could be more concise honestly.
Is it based on precedent? No one knows it's origin apparently. Personally it's just one of many things I plan on researching for what is most genuine in terms of precedent of logic and appeal to antiquity…
I think anyone smart enough can use their common sense to recreate something like the 7 principles, and perhaps more concisely!
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06/22/19 (Sat) 05:21:10 No. 132598
>>132578
You say that anyone smart enough should be able to do such things, yet you have done nothing yourself to amplify or expand on the principles. This is an admission of ignorance, and I've seen this kind of trap/diversion before.
You can go ahead and try to find the source of the Kybalion, of course. I actually encourage you to. It always leads back to heresay and the green tablets, but those are "just a myth". I'll tell you I told you so later.
Hermes sends his regards.
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SAGE! 06/23/19 (Sun) 02:39:32 No. 132632
>>132598
>yet you have done nothing yourself to amplify or expand on the principles.
What makes you say that?
Would you like something to be amplified or expanded on? I am always open to dialogue?
>Green tablets
Did you mean the Emerald tablets? They aren't the meds you swallow buddy.
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