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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 03b95772e28def5⋯.jpg (48.8 KB,540x720,3:4,142644450763-1.jpg)

 No.50584 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.101904

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 No.102041

File: 807da4d2d6b5f78⋯.jpg (20.85 KB,307x409,307:409,100toys76.jpg)

>>97787

For a sec, I thought the thumbnail was an elder man firing a laser at the ground, causing it to ignite.

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 No.102139

File: ec4c409d586933e⋯.jpg (327.42 KB,800x1000,4:5,coach redpill junior.jpg)

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 No.102140

>>50640

>imagine someone saying that

>and imagine people unironically nooding along with such retarted statements

cringe

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 No.102153

>>102139

korwin is the new colonel sanders

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File: b1c0207edf3c817⋯.jpeg (63.75 KB,800x534,400:267,talia katz.jpeg)

 No.101892 [Open Thread]

After a couple of months of lurking this forum and reading pretty much every thread I came to the conclusion that many of you (fortunately not the majority) are basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people.

Even Austin Petersen brings up the fact that many white supremacists use Libertarianism as a cover for their racist beliefs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKkv8OS0MY

The Hoppe memes betray your authoritarianism. Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

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 No.101916

File: fbe2ee5b4e9883e⋯.png (81.72 KB,255x255,1:1,1544369994945.png)

>>101892

Whomst is this semen demon??? Is she Hoppean/ancap?

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 No.101927

File: 946fe5df333a74d⋯.jpg (347.33 KB,1200x1460,60:73,1200px-Gilbert_Stuart_Will….jpg)

>>101892

>basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people

Yes. And?

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 No.101928

File: 1a23b797188a741⋯.jpg (55.62 KB,600x752,75:94,Austin Petersen being a mo….jpg)

>>101892

>Even Austin Petersen

>Even

Austin Petersen is kind of a moron, a dick, and a soft-libertarian. He's not an authority.

>Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

>abortion

Because it's the murder of a human being, and hence against the NAP?

>drugs

I don't want to ban drugs. I think they are degenerate, but not that they should be cirminalized. That said, I also don't feel particularly sorry for drug dealers who get convicted, precisely because they are degenerates who couldn't care less abou thte liberty of others.

>workers rights

Excuse me? What special rights are workers supposed to possess? Yes, they can strike, but they are not entitled to continued payment or to not being terminated over it. They don't "deserve" a "living wage" just as I don't deserve an "adequate wage", and frankly, many of them can suck my dick for being egotistical assholes. Any of them care about how hard some small business owners work? Care about whether they get to see their family more than two hours a day? No, of course they don't. Workers aren't saints, they are out for their own advantage, and they are no more entitled to my respect than anyone else who cares only about his own hide. Not talking about all workers here. I have nothing against workers who aren't political - thankfully the majority of them - or who aren't egoists pretending to be altruistic.

>homosexuality

See above, what I said on drugs.

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 No.101930

>>101892

>worker's """""""rights""""""""

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 No.102143

>>101892

Wait a minute… It took you A COUPLE OF MONTHS to figure this out? … Low IQ indeed.

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File: aff3a7bf794fc82⋯.png (1.07 MB,750x738,125:123,the black race has more di….png)

 No.101505 [Open Thread]

>m-m-muh statists!

>m-m-muh state is the enemy!

<a jew is pointing a gun at me, cleary the gun is the boogymen and anyone who wants a gun is a bootlicker!

why are leftists/libertarians so retarded?

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 No.102106

>>102100

If you put Hoppe and Doolittle on the same category, you very well may be retarded.

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 No.102108

>>102104

Science is subjective and conditioned by our culture.

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 No.102109

File: 25ace321be68b82⋯.jpg (248.89 KB,1600x1103,1600:1103,Pol Pot2.jpg)

>>102106

Being retarded just means superiority. Retards usually have missionary sex. Intellectuals prep their wife's bull and gargle Nigger semen

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 No.102112

>>102108

Scientific data is objective, else it isn't science. What is studied is subjective and cultural. The questions may be subjective but the answers aren't. It goes similarly with philosophy.

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 No.102138

>>102104

>>102112

>The answers aren't

What are "the answers"?

Scientific data is just data. Data is interpreted by a human, and often application of science involves extrapolation to an unknown situation (e.g. the future). In the act of extrapolation (more commonly known as "engineering") someone had to have made a judgment call on what the data meant–if it is applicable to the desired use case, if the methods used to take it were precise enough that the data can be relied upon. No matter how well the data was taken, when trying to predict the future there is uncertainty. Unless the only thing you're trying to prove is "within this specific sample of this specific population at this specific time, the sample proportion of faggots was .56", there is an element of subjectivity involved in making statements or designing systems based on scientific data.

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 No.102135 [Open Thread]

Why do Sowell and Friedman schlob the central banks knobs so thoroughly? I finished basic econ by sowell, tried to read rothbard but had to put it down because of the never ending purity spiral of his thought, and and about halfaay through Friedman capitalism and freedom when it struck me what had been nagging at me. Both of these believers in freedom went out of their way to apologize for the central bank, and fractional reserve banking as a whole. It seems fairly obvious to me that fractional reserve banking is not only a dangerous activity that distorts the market by inflating the money supply, but is also something akin to fraud, not only on the depositor for what amounts to stealing his money that is supposed to be earning interest, but also on the borrowers of the bank that are borrowing phantom money that only exists because no one actually asked to see the physical money.

Am I misinterpreting?

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File: 8cf0c2bc9c5c85b⋯.jpg (32.93 KB,595x335,119:67,aristocracy.jpg)

 No.102086 [Open Thread]

The French disease- republicanism. Hand in hand with equality.

>Freedom becomes a positive good only in the hands of those willing, and able, to make proper use of it. It is nothing short of an evil in the hands of criminals or morally profligate.

>Liberty too widely spread becomes a curse, and furthermore, dooms itself to its own extinction. Reaction or foreign invasion have become the lot any society which have freed its masses.

>The state of the aristocratic subject is not one of dejection, but one of pride. To be subject to an aristocrat's laws is to have any elite who is concerned for your well-being- how much better than the cold indifference of the elite of the republic…

>Liberty is a thing of pride for the aristocrat precisely because it signifies his sovereignty, independence, superior culture, and hence, his worthiness to conduct his own affairs. In the hands of the republican freedom becomes the privilege of all, and thus of none. It no longer signifies any special worth- rather, it shows one's barbarism; one's descent from a lawless region.

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 No.102095

File: a91d4260b9ca775⋯.jpg (114.98 KB,387x581,387:581,20190509_044531.jpg)

>using liberty and equality interchangeably

Shiggy.

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 No.102096

The British disease is AIDS brought to you by William Of Sodom

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 No.102119

>>102095

Universal liberty has been based on the idea of universal equality (ie equal worth among men). Traditionally it was realised that men's varying capabilities required varying levels of freedom.

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 No.102123

File: 15c710b5dcba8f1⋯.png (375.59 KB,602x454,301:227,ClipboardImage.png)

>>102119

>that men's varying capabilities required varying levels of freedom.

is communism right?

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 No.102124

liberty or freedom is a myth.

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File: 253d3c3ce8e7d53⋯.jpg (110.93 KB,767x960,767:960,tooFuckingAccurate.jpg)

 No.102001 [Open Thread]

Hey socialists,

Does it ever bother you how you're allies for multibillion dollar corporations? Do you find that strange at all? Does that cause no cognitive dissonance?

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 No.102059

>>102054

Hello comrade. I am Russian agent sent to infiltrate US presidential election. Unfortunately I do not know how to speak, read, or write Russian. Do you have any good resources for learning Russian?

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 No.102061

File: 07589117001f24e⋯.webm (934.31 KB,480x360,4:3,harmless_retard.webm)

>>102051

>all it changes is campaigning

<HAHA, LOOK AT THIS STUDY THAT SHOWS THEY WON MORE ELECTIONS, I SURE PROVED YOU WRONG RIGHT-WINGER

…Are you illiterate?

>Russian bots

Well, that answers that question.

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 No.102062

>>102051

>>102054

I AM A RIGHT-WINGER AND I WATCH FOX NEWS OR I AM A RUSSIAN BOT. UR STUPID AND I BET U BELEEV THAT TAX CUTS R BAD. THAT R DUM. DREGULATION NO MAKE BAD TIMES. BAD TEIM BECUZ OBAMA. I SUPPORT THE WAR IN SYRIA.

^ what this guy thinks is going through everyone's head on this board.

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 No.102064

>>102051

I wonder how they factor out all other variables that contributed to Republican gains. You would think unions (and Democrats) would have benefited the most from Citizens United.

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 No.102091

File: 6e615a1978b633d⋯.jpg (64.44 KB,750x748,375:374,big heh.jpg)

>>102066

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File: 305bdf1b0198962⋯.jpg (28.45 KB,400x400,1:1,1556933334094.jpg)

 No.101959 [Open Thread]

does class cause more division than nationality or race?

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 No.102007

File: 39b34e79d9cf5a0⋯.png (456 KB,2048x2000,128:125,11807619_10153426923151291….png)

No, not even close.

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 No.102031

>>101993

Not really it's just insurrectionary anarchism with stirner's union of egoists concept. Basically it thinks insurrection isn't violent enough

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 No.102033

Though id say it's insurrectionary anarchism with a side of accelerationism

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 No.102034

>>101986

>UK inbreeding plus UK fetal alcohol syndrome

Although according to them, they used to run the world

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 No.102035

>does class cause more division than nationality or race?

Nationality or race are classes, as much as economic class.

It can help to remember that "the left" is basically radical christianity for aetheists. As such, merchants, moneylenders, and priests of organized religion get it (and the priests at catalonia had a book to warn them - no sympathy). At the same time, sex offenders and other outcasts - whores, adulterers, racemixing samaritans - are teh awesome, and failing to respect the equality, autonomy, and dignity of children and toddlers is disrespecting jebbus, or whatever this translates to in aetheism.

ALL classification is a form of classification. Also, yes.

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File: 8e75a3eccc7927b⋯.jpg (21.19 KB,531x423,59:47,asdggds.JPG)

 No.101949 [Open Thread]

Without identifying the Enemy;

One cannot fight said Enemy.

Who soever opposes The Constitution is our Enemy.

Although, this seems paradoxical because our Constitution allows

for anyone to ideologically oppose The Constitution.

To Oppose = Actively resist or refuse to comply with.

We must allow our Enemies to exist or else we become identical to what we oppose.

This does not mean that we should give up or compromise in any way.

It simply means that we are better than them.

They do not understand this. They do not care.

The one saving grace for liberty is that liberty minded people are rational;

while people who oppose liberty are irrational.

Irrational people are going to make irrational decisions.

Their flaws will be their undoing,

and it is not our responsibility to protect them from themselves.

All we need to do is lay our webs and the flies will entangle themselves.

If hatred and resentment guide your behavior,

it will inevitably be your undoing in the end.

We must remain optimistic and compassionate to everything,

but DO NOT give the enemy any mercy.

They will take advantage of any weakness.

This statement seems to contradict itself,

but optimism and compassion is not weakness;

it required great strength.

If too many Americans, at any point in history,

decide to discontinue their opposition of tyranny; we will lose.

There is no victory. Freedom requires eternal vigilance.

Freedom is not fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.101963

>>101949

>constitution

read spooner

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 No.101979

winnie the pooh

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 No.101984

this meme again

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 No.102016

Meandering bullshit

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 No.102017

File: addc96c8f38656d⋯.jpg (51.45 KB,326x410,163:205,addc96c8f38656dafddc33deea….jpg)

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File: 2bf58690937cbf5⋯.png (2.57 MB,1340x1380,67:69,bond.png)

 No.101879 [Open Thread]

What is James Bond's political stance?

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 No.101947

>>101939

>I'm going to call things I don't like "Reddit."

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 No.101956

>>101941

I just treat it the way I treat the godzilla movies. They each have their own continuity. For godzilla you have the Showa, Heisei and Millenium eras with their own continuity. Though millenium era gets complicated due to the movies not being in continuity with one another except for Godzilla against Mechagodzilla and Godzilla Tokyo SOS. Anyway, for Bond you can have the Sean Connery stuff as one continuity, the Roger Moore films as their own, The Pierce Brosnan as it's own continuity and the new ones as it's own continuity.

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 No.101967

>>101939

>>How the fuck else would you interpret the Bond series?

He is a Time Lord.

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 No.101988

>>101939

It is not out of Reddit. That idea has been around for a long time.

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 No.101990

File: 54a24d94f201cbe⋯.jpg (55.56 KB,435x481,435:481,bond.jpg)

It'll be interesting to see in the new film. Apparently they've given Daniel Craig carte blanche to just do whatever he wants with the script, so it's possible his biases will rub off and Bond will be more "progressive" in the next film.

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 No.101932 [Open Thread]

If your fingerprints aren't already in the system, is it worth keeping them out of the system in 2019 (USA)?

A hiring company wants me to submit finger prints in addition to standard background check info. I'm inclined to tell them to go fuck their hat, and move on to other opportunities.

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 No.101950

Finger prints can be removed…

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 No.101951

>>101946

The Police convince most grade schools to bring the students on a field trip to the Police stations without a field trip permission slip.

The Police act like it is a game, and convince the Children to submit their prints into the system.

No parental consent.

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 No.101954

>>101946

>private sector, bank related

Anything to do with the banks will come under heavy scrutiny by the Feds. The banking sector is ao heavily regulated, calling it "private" is pretty deceptive imo.

It's up to you if you want to stick with it. If you have committed no crimes and plan on committing no crimes in the future you have no reason to be afraid of giving them your prints.

Additionally, you can always burn off your finger prints before you actually give them your finger prints. Wether it is a smart idea or not is not a call for me to make.

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 No.101955

>>101954

>you have no reason to be afraid

Trust big brother, sounds legit!

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 No.101971

>>101932

>fingerprints

>reliable

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 No.93061 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

How old are ancaps? I want to know the their exact age, of all 20 of them.

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 No.101843

21, but I was about 19 or 20 when I went through my zealous ancap phase. I've kinda mellowed out a bit, got away from politics for a bit, but never really stopped believing in the ancap ideal.

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 No.101885

>>101830

Wow that's a first.

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 No.101908

>>93253

>What do you mean, "how". It amuses me.

It means "how the hell did you life turn out in such a way that you are still browsing anime image boards".

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 No.101911

Although I'm not ancap, I'm solidly in the purple area on the political compass, and am generally supportive of ancaps. Also, 27

>>100599

>A shitload of people would become libertarians/ancap if they were to listen to libertarian stuff every day, it's pretty convincing.

You could say that about a lot of ideologies, even less convincing ones. It's why you see a lot more ideologues running around: The Internet allows people of similar views to group up together than share information positively representing their ideology amongst each other. Echochambers end up forming, and in many cases dissent ends up being pushed out entirely, whether due to negative pressure or outright banning it.

>>101834

I feel like that may be partially a Discord demographic thing as well.

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 No.101948

>this whole thread

old enough to care about politics but young enough to still have a worldview untempered by decades of disappointment and spite towards illusory "haves" who apparently want to give you more rights

what did you expect to get, 60-somethings?

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File: 40f1df9ff23d35a⋯.jpg (9.74 KB,225x225,1:1,4180349836e2b59459224eb3c2….jpg)

 No.98962 [Open Thread]

What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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 No.101771

>>101681

i think it must be coupled with cryptoanarchism

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 No.101890

I feel like agorism is the best. But I wonder if a two pronged approach of agorism and some people running for local office would help. The ones running for local office could help encourage secessionism. But the one catch is for the people running for office cannot be fuckups and have to stick to their guns. This would be difficult given the nature of current day politics and some spergs might be attracted to this position of power. I still think agorism would be best as a long term solution but I think the local election could provide some reprieve for a little bit.

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 No.101931

>What's the most effective way to kill statism?

All of them simultaneously. We won't make it by doing just one thing

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 No.101933

>>101681

Agorist projects (silk road, etc) were all shut down by the FBI though. Plus black markets attract all kinds of criminal scum, which require laws to deal with.

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 No.101943

>>101933

All agorist projects? What about the other silk road clones?

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 No.99307 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

any incels in here? will inceldom disappear in ancap? if yes then why are not all incels ancaps? maybe in ancap only high time preference people would be incels while virtuous, hard working, rich men would be nonvirgins?

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 No.101540

RASPEC WAMEN

Fucking moron.

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 No.101544

>>101539

>>101540

oh wow, so now you're islamist too

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>>101544

>oh wow

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 No.101584

>>99307

There will be plenty of prostitutes in ancapistan and they would probably be offering pretty cool services as it'll become an unregulated if you don't like used women then you can always ask the establishment for newcomers for a premium. Its already a thing IRL IIRC.

If you want legitimate companionship then I dont think any political system can help with that. Maybe like rental girlfriends?

I heard those guys over at neetsocs have subsidized prostitution though. Ancap prostitutes would probs be cooler though cause free market.

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 No.101936

>>101584

> you can always ask the establishment for newcomers for a premium

you mean immigrants?

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 No.101741 [Open Thread]

Freedom of Spreech is evil and wrong. Change my mind.

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 No.101755

>>101752

>MUH STATE

No one mentioned your boogeymen, cuckchanner.

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 No.101759

>>101755

You're the one who's lost. A rothbardian stateless society is by definition libertarian.

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 No.101887

In speaking of free speech given how social media sites deplatform people for anything these days, Do you think the same would occur in ancapistan and how could it be countered?

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 No.101893

>>101887

It might occur to some localized degree, but I doubt we'd see the systematic banning and deplatforming of certain groups that we see today. For starters, the only benefit of mass deplatforming is the pursuit of political power. There's no monetary or financial benefit to doing so, it's just very expensive virtue-signaling. If there's no government to influence, there's no payoff to pursuing political power, ergo no reason to use your social media service to pursue that end. You have to remember that Facebook and Twitter, with the subsidies, exclusive contracts, and regulatory favoritism they receive, aren't truly private organizations engaging in the voluntary market. Rather, social media serve as the DNC's propaganda ministry, they are political actors and should be treated as such.

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 No.101901

>>101741

burden of proof

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 No.101875 [Open Thread]

>leftists can't understand this

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