/liberty/ - Liberty

>>104732

>I don't think a State is necessary for stupid ideas to flourish

Do you think the aforementioned trust fund babies would have gotten those ideas if the education system wasn't thoroughly co-opted by the state? They only follow these ideas because they are made to appear fashionable. They are fashionable because the Jew-infested, rent-seeking media portray it as such. Remove those elements and all meaningful subversion goes with them. The state is not only necessary for stupid ideas to flourish, it is the only place where stupid ideas flourish instead of being stamped out within a generation.

>>104734

The only way that's going to be possible, then, is if you have a worldwide ancapism. If there's even one State that can fund subversive socialist activism, well, you get what happened to medieval Iceland and Ireland, I suppose.

>>104729

It would be in your best interest to leave them be unless they break the NAP. Let them extort their voluntary citizenry and watch as they slowly starve. If they don't see that communism is wrong it's their own fault. But the very instant that one of them tries to use force to make you join their shenanigans they've broken the NAP and are subject to retaliation.

It is a left wing myth to discredit libertarianism and alt-cucks bought into it because they pretend people and/or groups are secretly on their side when they really aren’t. It’s just something they do and sometimes it’s funny.

For a more nuanced answer, there are two paths one must travel to achieve hoppean enlightenment: the cultural/societal path and the economic/ethical path. Some form of the alt-right is a brief stop on the cultural path, but once someone has taken the ancap redpill there is no going back. Take Cantwell, who is (a fed) more of a nazi than most of the alt-right. But he was once a libertarian and still views all of his actions as a means to achieve ancapistan.

>>104751

That's a stupid conclusion to reach. Without a state apparatus, there's nothing to subvert, outside funding or no outside funding. Left-wing agitators have no power of their own, only the power to pressure the state into carrying out their wishes. Without a state to do so, they are impotent, even if some outside state decides (for whatever improbable reason) to fund them.

Commonwealth Iceland and Gaelic Ireland both survived for centuries before they were attacked by a military force. To claim that these examples disprove the practical efficacy of ancapistan is also stupid, because it fetishizes the seen at the end of the unseen. In either case, the existence of a state would not have made their survival more likely. Since they would have been conquered either way, state or no state, it does not follow that these were "failures" of liberty, since there is nothing a state could have done to alleviate the situation.

>>104984

What isn't? Why bring them up at all? Just to say "I don't like them" or "I like them"?

The Gathering of the Juggalos is just a big carnival anyhow. Those aren't necessarily ancap or anything else.

>>104985

>the gathering of the juggalos represents one of the best examples of voluntarist collectivism in the world

>It's sort of poetic that a gathering of AnCap-like collectivists can only exist because of the state failing them.

What's ancap-like about these clowns exactly?

>>104987

I guess it would be they're a group of people gathering their own community without the state? I guess it works if you view ancap as a framework for different ideological communities to sprout out of. Like in an ancap world you could have an ancap community, an ancom one, a mutualist one and etc. I think that's what Christian anon is saying. Personally, I think it's a little bit of a stretch.

>>104988

Oh, I get it, but I think something like the Amish would be a better example.

>>104984

Their entire operation is outside the confines of the state. Juggalo philosophy revolves around the idea of doing things for yourself/with the help of fellow juggalos in order to survive in an otherwise fucked up world. These people barely hit double digit IQ ranges, but they're a tribal community that wants to be left alone to drink their faygo and solve their own life problems among each other instead of getting state-sponsored programs, therapists, etc. involved in the process. Realistically if they hadn't been cracked down on for gang-related reasons due to looking "scary" they would have set up their own distribution methods and become truly independent from the state. It's half the reason the state cracked down on them- Juggalos are not naturally violent. I'm sympathetic towards OP's claim because I made the same rough claim about half a year ago (albeit that thread died after 10 or so posts). The only way I can explain it, anon, is that if you went to a juggalo gathering (don't bother, they're trash), you'd realize that they are very much the foundations of an AnCap community.

>>104988

Sort of. I suppose that explanation works too.

>>104387

I think Americans have absorbed a natural aversion to the label of "socialism"/"communism" through cultural osmosis without understanding the distinction between capitalism and socialism or how either work. Most Americans do not have even a base-level understanding of economics, which is probably due to modern economists using complicated calculus to attempt to divorce themselves from the label of "social science", inadvertently divorcing economics from what it actually is–the study of how humans act to satisfy their own demands in the face of scarcity. A lot of Americans don't support "socialism" in name (either because they themselves don't support it or because they fear the reaction from others) but constantly advocate in favor of interventionist policies/new, more restrictive regulations. The Overton window has shifted so far towards authoritarianism and centralization that most people are socialists in all but name.

I think this is why you see so many Democratic politicians still claiming that they're not socialists, and it's why so many people are vulnerable to being absorbed into the socialist camp. When they are dissatisfied with the current political/economic climate, they are attracted to "socialism" in name as a kind of maverick, which "capitalist" propaganda had taught them to fear. It doesn't help that neocons have managed to co-opt the label "capitalism" into meaning using government subsidies to support monopolies, supporting the unabated right of companies to dump pollutants into a river they don't own, bombing random people overseas in the name of "national security", or using eminent domain to confiscate land from random people and give it to companies. Within this narrative, "socialism" is cast as the alternative to the current system, which is erroneously labeled "capitalism".

>>104387

Lots of the people who say they're against socialism can't stop singing FDR's praises. They might not like the word, but they'll vote for the policies just the same.

>>104379

I'm referred to as Xennial

>>104386

Funny enough most of the nerdy/emo girls i knew as a kid were into manga and anime. They didn't care about comic books.

>>104422

So you were born in the late 80's early 90's?

>>104967

>Jeffrey Tucker

Never heard of him.

>>104966

Everything's relative. He was recently deeply involved with Trump cancelling some military action against Iran after they downed a drone. His influence likely made the difference. He's an outspoken opponent of Antifa, which has made him a target, doesn't like big tech and their censorship and frequently says highly un-PC things about the border and the "refugees." Pretty good, desu.

>>104972

>>104975

However, I appreciate that Tucker helped to stop military action against Iran and is an opponent of Antifa. Still doesn't change the fact that he is an MSM news host who promotes economic ignorance, even if "it's what all the other hosts are doing!"

>>104971

Not what I said, nigger, learn reading comprehension.

>>104787

has that team got their titles taken away?

>>104824

They've been placed under review for "illegally experimenting on" (read: making fools of) the academics they sent the papers to.

>>104895

Reminds me of the science wars.

>>104895

who placed them under review?

>>104952

Google it, you wannabe Socrates

>>104816

>alt-right-NSDAP

>implying that not being a complete retard socially makes you a nazi

that's why I hate to be associated with lolbertarians

>>104821

it is nazis who are socially retarded

>>104893

nah

>>104911

yes

they are introverts usually

What needs to be changed?

Is there enough of a userbase to start a new board?

>>104909

the BO is more or less dead

the stickies actively invite leftists

the reading list is shit and full of marxist crap

I don't think that our userbase is big enough for a new board though

>>104808

Did Sargon mention age of consent?

>>104921

>>104922

lol damn. a boy reaching purity at 11? unless he got it up the bum

>>104637

but somalis have iq of about 70

>>104673

Yet don't aren't willing self-hating slaves of the jews. So who is superior?

>>104844

neetsoc detected

heh

>>>104818

>>104541

>How is ancap it's own ideology?

I describe Anarcho-Capitalism as a negative position. Rather than being an ideology, or any body of doctrine, it is the rejection of political and economic interventionism, much like Atheism is the rejection of a belief in deities.

>It's Fascism in a smaller scale and without care for truth.

Oh look: word salad.

>It's literally a brand of fascism

Like, literally? Oh my gawd! Far out!

>exacly how nazism is Fascism's retarded cousin Ancap is fascism's slutty and possibly bastard niece.

Assertions.

>>its not fascims if I do it only on my own property

Strawman.

>>conquering other's propriety is not fascism

Conquering other people's property is the opposite of AnCap.

>>it's not taxes it's tribute, therefore i'm an anarchist

AnCap doesn't call for tribute either. Are you ok? Do you smell toast? Chew an aspirin and lie down.

>>104797

thanks anon, do you have more hoppe edits?

>>104770

Nice try, BO.

>>104798

>>104806

I really just made it in 5 mins on paint.net after noticing that the political compass is definitively wrong. No I don't have any more.

>>104793

the BO doesn't exist here. /liberty/ is part of the ANARCHY GANG

>>104393

Well if you want to shut them up, give all the guns to the most mentally ill people and have them stick the barrel in the mouths of those who scream the loudest. That includes their cop protectors because only sissies call for backup.

>>104713

Yes unfortunately

>>104355

why does government support lgbt? are trannies better taxpayers than white healthy responsible hardworking heterosexual cissexual men?

>>104789

Because if you can get the plebs to demand more state power to give special protections to such a tiny minority, you make them that much more amenable to other variants of communism and redistribution. It's a wedge you use to make way for additional Marxism.

>>104337

Private companies are in favor of whatever gets them the most brownie points with the government. Being pro-LGBTBBQ or whatever is what the government wants, so to avoid getting investigated for tax fraud or some other bullshit, companies tend to listen to the government and mimic it. Sure there's exceptions to the rule, but those exceptions tend to be the few companies that are relatively honest about their business dealings (I say relatively) or who can take down all their competition with them if the government decides to fuck them up the ass.

bumping

>>97920

They said it was facebook ads and bots. A lot of other countries do it as well.

>>97920

Some entities within Russia collectively bought a few thousand dollar's worth of Faceberg ads. In the grand scheme of things, that's effectively nothing.

>>104477

right now EU pushes its propaganda via facebook ads, so it is good if it is eu propaganda but it is bad when it is russian propaganda apparently, lol

>>104706

Yep, hypocrisy is the name of the game.

Is it just me or are 8 year olds sexy? (No pedo)

>>104660

>Anyone not buying gamergirl bathwater is a kebab

>>104675

>not buying gamergirl bathwater

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3636622,00.html

bump

Going out of style id say. Essentialism of Plato is gonna come back.

Sartre and Camus were both commies.

>>104298

yeah i know