/liberty/ -What is the difference between (relatively) free societies like the USA and Japan when it comes to culture? Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture despite having a lot of time and freedom to do so, but the Japanese were always a c

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Anonymous 04/29/19 (Mon) 12:34:18 No.101810

What is the difference between (relatively) free societies like the USA and Japan when it comes to culture? Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture despite having a lot of time and freedom to do so, but the Japanese were always a culturally rich nation, even well into the 21st century?

My own theory is that it's partly because of generational wealth and property rights, I don't believe it has anything to do with their race or with some super secret way they were brought up or any of that bullshit.

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Anonymous 04/29/19 (Mon) 17:31:35 No.101817

are you retarded or 15? America did a lot culturally for its own society and influenced the whole world, in almost all sectors, industries, media.

Don't repeat the lefitst bullshit of "america has no culture". America has been great, I would never live there but you can't tell it has no culture.

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Anonymous 04/29/19 (Mon) 17:48:55 No.101819

As an outsider, America has an amazing culture of individualism, liberty and freedom that many foreigners look up to! Even other countries at the other side of the world have taken the constitution and assimilated into their culture.

That's why it's a shame to me when America starts abandoning the very freedoms and liberties that made them great and I looked up to.

Don't forget anon Japanese animes were highly influenced by early old school disney animations. Grass is greener on the other side, Japan isn't the holy land you might think it is.

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Anonymous 04/29/19 (Mon) 22:15:45 No.101822

>>101810

>culture = cuckime

our ancestors would be dissapointed

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Anonymous 07/05/19 (Fri) 23:44:31 No.103941

>>101822

This. Pedophile cartoons are not culture, weebcucks.

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Anonymous 07/05/19 (Fri) 23:54:37 No.103943

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Instrumental cultures are “characterized by a large sector of intermediate ends separate from and independent of ultimate ends.” These systems “innovate easily by spreading the blanket of tradition upon change itself. . . . Such systems can innovate without appearing to alter their social institutions fundamentally. Rather, innovation is made to serve immemoriality.” Consummate systems, in contrast, “are characterized by a close relationship between intermediate and ultimate ends. . . . society, the state, authority, and the like are all part of an elaborately sustained, high-solidarity system in which religion as a cognitive guide is pervasive. Such systems have been hostile to innovation.” Apter uses these categories to analyze change in African tribes. Eisenstadt applies a parallel analysis to the great Asian civilizations and comes to a similar conclusion. Internal transformation is “greatly facilitated by autonomy of social, cultural, and political institutions.” For this reason, the more instrumental Japanese and Hindu societies moved earlier and more easily into modernization than Confucian and Islamic societies. They were better able to import the modern technology and use it to bolster their existing culture. Does this mean that Chinese and Islamic societies must either forgo both modernization and Westernization or embrace both? The choices do not appear that limited. In addition to Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and, to a lesser degree, Iran have become modern societies without becoming Western. Indeed, the effort by the Shah to follow a Kemalist course and do both generated an intense anti-Western but not antimodern reaction. China is clearly embarked on a reformist path.

Samuel P. Huntington

The Clash of Civilizations

Part I, Chapter 3

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 00:12:33 No.103944

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>>101810

>generational wealth and property rights

This is the more direct cause, but of course these two things could not have arisen in a consummate culture.

>I don't believe it has anything to do with their race

The mountainous/islandous terrains and hostile climates of Europe, Japan, and the American colonies provided the selective pressures that pushed them towards the freedom-friendly policies they have now (or used to have). Race is also shaped by those pressures. So it's not irrelevant, but it is not nearly the be-all-end-all some neetsocs pretend it is.

>>101817

>you can't tell it has no culture.

This was not the original claim.

<Americans never really developed a unique culture

All of American culture(s) comes from Europe. The Transcendentalists, the Romanticists, the Modernists, etc. were mostly European (particularly Anglo) in nature. I have a hard time pointing to an American figure whose art, prose, poetry, politics, inventions, etc. did not draw mainly on European heritage.

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 01:49:12 No.103948

>>103944

> I have a hard time pointing to an American figure whose art, prose, poetry, politics, inventions, etc. did not draw mainly on European heritage.

This is really just another way of saying Americans are of European heritage. What did you expect, for a totally foreign culture to spring fully formed out of the heads of the Founders, like Athena from the head of Zeus? Just because American culture is inspired by its European roots doesn't mean American culture isn't unique. There's still something distinctly American about Thoreau and Emerson, despite their Anglo inspirations. For instance, while both they and the British Romantics shared a reverence for nature, the American Romantics placed an emphasis on pioneering and self-sufficiency which the britbongs did not. And where's the European influence in spaghetti Westerns?

None of this is proof that Americans don't have a unique culture. It's just easier to trace the influence from the Euro roots to contemporary America because the country is still so young. This is like saying none of the European intellectuals were unique or original because they were all influenced to some degree by the classical Greeks. Sure, there's a clear influence, but the later generations of thought have their own spin on things. Give it a few more years, and American culture will have as much resemblance to its European roots as John Locke has to Cicero.

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 01:56:05 No.103950

>>103948

Or, to use a more contemporary example: anime is the direct result of Japs being influenced by American Disney cartoons post-WWII. The stylistic connection between the two is obvious. Yet no one will say that anime is American, or that it's not Japanese.

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 16:18:46 No.103954

>>101810

>Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture

What is Blue Grass, Blues, and Funk music culture? Blue-jean wearing panhandlers? Cajun culture?

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 16:33:52 No.103955

>>103954

Americans don't have A culture.

They have a lot of them.

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Anonymous 07/06/19 (Sat) 17:19:53 No.103958

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>>103941

Get with the times, gramps. Anime and manga are clearly superior to the cultural output from the West. You really prefer Marvel capeshit? I applaud the nips for being able to resist the extensive self-censorship and social science insanity that has afflicted Western countries. Cute girls are even taboo over here.

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Anonymous 07/08/19 (Mon) 09:14:17 No.104011

>>103944

I have a hard time pointing to a Japanese figure whose art, prose, poetry, politics, inventions, etc. did not draw mainly on Chinese heritage.

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