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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 862e5e987895cb1⋯.jpg (46.05 KB,640x545,128:109,ronpaul.jpg)

 No.105511 [Open Thread]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for libertarian discussion.

Now on 8kun!

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 No.105730

>>105728

julay.world/liberty was the biggest but they had a big purge

That board was migrated to hoppe.sama but they had technical problems

The same board migrated to 8chan.moe/liberty

For whatever reason that group does not like 8kun. There's also decidedly more anime and larp posting.

There's also 9chan.tw/libertarian

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File: d5916cebfc9bade⋯.png (145.97 KB,935x594,85:54,FallingRateOfPRofit.png)

 No.101695 [Open Thread]

Capitalism is a stage of history. It didn’t exist untill feudalism was destroyed. And it won’t exist forever. For the rates of profit are falling. Prove me wrong, I dare you?

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 No.101762

Neo-{Blanktemplate}ism is a better life than Capitalism.

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 No.101767

>what is rome

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 No.101773

If the rate of profit has been decreasing over the decades, shouldn't we see a decrease in market index returns? Also, what is the source of that graph and how do they calculate rate of profit?

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 No.101774

>>101748

>talk to literally any farmer.

I know farmers and they are not overproducing goods. They are in fact converting much of their land for solar panels (because of tax subsidies) and switching to crops that are profitable.

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 No.105922

Tyranny didn't work out too well for the USSR, Nazi Germany, and Cambodia so why are Americans embracing it?

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File: d585e9407208a28⋯.png (50.01 KB,1200x1200,1:1,1200px-Hammer_and_sickle_r….png)

 No.100905 [Open Thread]

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 No.100924

>>100911

Oh, so NOW you care about theory.

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 No.100925

>>100920

You know what, go ahead and watch it, the "empirical evidence" is bad enough, and the other talking points are so fucking tired that it's worth the watch.

ALSO, it's Cockshott. AGAIN. How many threads do we have to have on that guy? It feels like we refute a paper of his once a week.

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 No.100929

>>100905

Please don't tell me this is the same fucking paper I had to skim two years ago. As >>100925 said, we refute this giganigger every other week.

If it's based on the paper, then I am pretty sure he got his results by making some pretty bad assumptions. He acknowledged that none of his data accurately correlated with labor time, but as one probably tended to be higher and one probably tended to be lower, he assumed that the average of these two would correlate perfectly. That's not just a very big assumption, it's also begging the question.

One thing I always notice is that no one is capable of so much as summarizing Cockshotts methods. It's like you're happy to have him on your side, but you don't actually read and understand him. Can't even blame you that much, as he's nearly unreadable.

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 No.100936

>>94468 was our previous Cockshott thread, FWIW.

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 No.105921

Americans say that the reason the elites want to kill off the 99% is to save the environment, but maybe the globalists are just evil, insane, and greedy.

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File: 1ee5ce63e646efa⋯.png (79.58 KB,968x674,484:337,anarchy2.png)

 No.100123 [Open Thread]

Anarchy: What it is, and what it isn't

For some reason it's really hard for a lot of people to grasp a simple concept.

"The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, authority." Thus, the term refers to the state of a society being without authorities or an authoritative governing body."

Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean what leftist cucks did with the term later on, this is what the word means "without authorities or an authoritative governing body".

So unless you think you can change ancient Greek definitions, gtfo with your garbage interpretations of it.

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 No.100527

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 No.100529

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Larken explains it pretty damn good as well IMO

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 No.100566

>>100360

>when the genetically engineered catgirls revolt and turn us into their slave caste, this problem will be solved.

Why is this not an anime yet?

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 No.100567

>>100299

>Anarchism, with its own famous symbol

Which was "commandeered" from the scarlet A for adulterer. Leftists, just like with property, cannot operate without stealing another's ideas.

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 No.105920

When the USA was a free country, tyranny was limited because the US could take the moral high ground and stand up for freedom.

Now there is no limit to tyranny.

The virus was just a test run.

There is no limit to tyranny now because no one will call out abuses and there is no place to escape to.

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 No.105919 [Open Thread]

Pew report shows Americans' trust in government at historic lows ahead of midterms

https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/pew-report-shows-americans-trust-235417715.html

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 No.105572 [Open Thread]

Itt post things that should piss you off

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 No.105574

I thought the right liked cops.

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 No.105917

Patriots must be obsessive about trying to save liberty now.

Brainstorm.

The hour is late.

Do you know anyone who works for the government who can be convinced to quit?

Do you know any reporters who would write stories about freedom?

Can you sponsor billboards or pass out flyers promoting freedom?

Can you make a freedom website?

Could you make songs, movies, or art about liberty?

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 No.105918

Patriots must be obsessive about trying to save liberty now.

Brainstorm.

The hour is late.

Do you know anyone who works for the government who can be convinced to quit?

Do you know any reporters who would write stories about freedom?

Can you sponsor billboards or pass out flyers promoting freedom?

Can you make a freedom website?

Could you make songs, movies, or art about liberty?

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File: 0044c7ecc319476⋯.jpg (11.81 KB,200x150,4:3,Boch.JPG)

 No.104863 [Open Thread]

The founding document of Luxembourg is not a constitution, it’s a deed. A deed of purchase by Count Siegfried from a monastery. That inheritance has transferred down to the current Grand Duke.

>Siegfried or his ancestors got that money to pay for that land through violence!

The only accounts are wars of defense, or defending their legitimately inherited titles.

>Yeah, but everyone back then—

Innocent until proven guilty.

>He was violent against his citizens for sure! Luxembourg doesn’t allow X, Y, Z under threat of force.

He’s merely a landlord, and therefore has the right to physically remove under libertarian law.

>But that doesn’t pass until the modern day because when Count Weingraf of Smexelblob inherited the lands and combined them with his other holdings of Ruritania, he dirtied Luxembourgish inheritance together with the spoils of THOSE ill-gotten gains, and—

O.k.. So if theoretically a libertarian court found the amount of renumerations that the current Grand Duke is liable for, and the Luxembourgish government paid for that, would the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg be ancap?

>But Luxembourg today has a parliament, and—

A generous landlord.

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 No.105002

>>104993

Yes, but the most that can result from that rule is physical removal so to speak. Final arbitration on your land is fine, but the implication anon got at was that punishment for failing to follow final arbitration or failure to pay taxes would result in being imprisoned instead of being kicked off the property.

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 No.105068

>>105002

so is propertarianism bad?

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 No.105070

>>105068

Propertarianism is an autistic, logically incoherent cult of personality of worshipping the empirical that Curt Doolittle built upon around himself. The less is said of it the better.

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 No.105151

>>105070

>being this anglocentric

pff

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 No.105916

Does anyone get the feeling that the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

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File: a85e282cad2d322⋯.png (2.17 KB,255x128,255:128,yesIMadeAnOhCanadaPornPun.png)

 No.104104 [Open Thread]

OH god, I fucking love Europe. They do everything better in Europe. Did you know there's free healthcare in Europe?! Better than this slave bullshit in the U.S., mmm, yes. God, I love talking about how free everything in Europe is. It gets me turned on so goddam much. YES YES YES. FUCKING EUROPE IS SO GODDAM AMAZING. There's *huff* there's free…mmmmmmm..free college to-MMMMMMMMMMM, OH GOD, FREE COLLEGE AND FREE HEALTHCARE, EUROPE IS SO GREAT I'M SO CLOSE. Oh oh oh, and ohhhhhh, don't get me started on, mmmmmmmmmm, don't get me started on, I'M SO FUCKING CLOSE, DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT THEIR LEVEL OF EQUALITY, FUUUUCK, FUCK ME HARDER. I FUCKING LOVE EUROPE. The only place better than Europe is

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

haaaaaaaaaaaaa

The only place better is–

>cums everywhere

OH, CANADA!

As you can tell, I am getting a little sick of the "Everything is better in Canada and Europe because everything is 'free' there" meme.

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 No.104187

>>104166

same in poland

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 No.105050

I am a Canadian Ameriboo who wishes to move to the states because the compensation in my field is so shit, taxes are too high and cost of living is too much.

Also, I have waited a week in agonizing pain in a hospital bed for emergency surgery before.

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 No.105066

>>105050

werent you given painkillers?

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 No.105293

>>104166

Same in all of the UK actually.

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 No.105915

Who wants to carry a NSA tracking device around?

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 No.104397 [Open Thread]

What is /Liberty/'s thoughts on gambling microtransactions in video games?

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 No.104446

>>104397

If you're dumb enough to buy these things, you deserve to lose your money.

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 No.104452

File: c90c63fda5a7c75⋯.jpg (24.56 KB,300x225,4:3,300px-JimSterlingComic.jpg)

fuck jim sterling he's a faggot commie that is trying to get his fans to bother politicians for video game regulation

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 No.104499

Looking at video i ask where did his son get the money?

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 No.104504

>>104399

Basically this.

When you ban something people become more susceptible to fall for it tricks. Gambling in most Asian countries is banned and at the same time they have the absolute worst gamling issues of the entire world there.

When you ban drugs, people become unable to learn and protect properly against them. When you ban gambling, people become unable to learn, identify, and protect properly agains them.

Gambling is also almost impossible to define. In japan most gambling is forbidden but pachinko is ok because it is a "game" and you technically don't win money (but can exchange for money later). If they were to ban pachinko tomorrow, companies would come out with some other pseudo-game with gambling options to hook people. At the end what you get is a population that i unable to realize what is gambling and what is isn't, neither it knows of it dangers because papa state is always protecting (but not really)

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 No.105914

Americans say that they are resisting tyranny, but do you see any protests?

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 No.104278 [Open Thread]

Some old fuck Antifa guy attacks a prison holding illegal immigrants and tried to firebomb the facility, then died in a shootout with the police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tacoma-ice-police-shooting-washington-willem-van-spronsen-antifa-detention-centre-a9004131.html

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 No.104333

File: 3d0993eafe7c112⋯.png (3.23 MB,2000x1200,5:3,ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.104334

>>104328

>Bad at irl shitposting

What are they even good at?

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 No.104348

>>104333

I really don't get what they want to accomplish making stale memes like this. Yes, the people with guns who have no qualms with shooting you but are trying to not end up in jail for the rest of their life call the police on you. Would leftists prefer if the "right" folks murder them instead?

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 No.104349

>>104334

Getting AIDS.

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 No.105913

In a police state, everything is illegal and the government wiretaps you 24/7 to record your crimes.

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 No.104618 [Open Thread]

Have you noticed any /liberty/-tier adages from those whom one would not necessarily consider as supporters of liberty? For example, the vid-related real estate investor:

"Enjoyment comes from the freedom of choice; not choice itself"

"Live and spend like your broke (low-time preference)"

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 No.105912

Americans scream tyranny is wonderful, but Americans are unable to explain why Cubans try to escape even though Cuba has gun control and free medical care.

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 No.103550 [Open Thread]

What happens when the bubble pops? Where do we go? How do we drag humanity into luxury space ancapism?

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 No.103574

>>103558

Money might grow on trees but resources are limited.

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 No.103576

>>103574

The government will simply own everything and manage the entire labor force after inflating all purchasing power away from people. And then the real fun can begin.

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 No.103579

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 No.105889

Americans are absolutely retarded bootlickers now.

Americans will look you in the eye and say horses have nothing to do with transportation.

Americans think that there is no chance tyranny will increase in the future.

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 No.105911

Anarchy doesn't mean that bags will be banned and everyone will get food stamps.

Anarchy means no government.

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File: ec461bb063c32c1⋯.jpg (44.39 KB,600x471,200:157,snek.jpg)

 No.103218 [Open Thread]

Hey all,

I have become disillusioned, to the point of either expatriating or pushing for accelerationism (if it was not for the NWO). To start off, the Amash vs RINO confrontations are just retarded. Republicans when they lost would at least pay lip service to being conservatives. Then Trump is being a gun control piece of shit, on top of his other shit, thus giving up on Trump being anything other than a Peronist (hell George Bush was more of a conservative at this point). Then people have the gall to say it is libertarians fault because MU Koch Brothers! Even with their money they have not been that successful. But people go on that libertarians are the problem, although most the "libertarians" are conservatives that have a fetish for big government. Further I get tired of people trying to change this country, this land was made for liberty, and I am tired of everyone trying to homogenize the US to be like everywhere else. Fuck them.

And if I sound like I am just bitching , I am not. I have run for office, held appointed positions, and tried to get others elected, just to get shit on by anti-human and anti-evolutionary apes. I am quite tired of it. Further, people complain that housing and other essentials are going up in price, but see no fucking correlation with QE or that prior to 1970 prices were relatively stable, but them everything went to shit after that, HMMMMM???? (Granted the catch up of the Axis powers did not help, but neither did buying goods without producing anything). Yet you suggest, maybe, just maybe conservatives could have prevented this by pushing harder for the gold standard, but that is like number 99 on their list of things to do. Fucktards.

I am sorry if I sound disgruntled, but on top of my things that I considered "my hobbies" being destroyed by people I hate, but on top of that I expected Republicans to deliver on one thing they were ok on, and they fucked that up. At this point if it all goes to shit both sides deserve it. Boomers bitch about this communist generation, but if they would have insisted on a gold standard, maybe there would not be the income inequality that there is, but they stick their head up their ass like there is no such thing.

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 No.103318

>>103218

That cartoon in the OP is retarded as fuck because Libertarians have been very vocally opposed to the NSA spying on US citizens since the beginning of it. What completely unaware retard made this?

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 No.103325

>>103318

Probably some cuckservative that thinks libertarians are just corporate cocksuckers as opposed to government cocksuckers

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 No.103330

>>103318

Possibly they were using the flag without meaning to attack libertarians specifically.

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 No.103499

>>103330

I guess they were using it to attack the tea party movement?

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 No.105910

You live a life of crime when everything is illegal.

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File: e184c73f43915b8⋯.gif (1.62 MB,200x200,1:1,Lorenz_Attractor.gif)

 No.98122 [Open Thread]

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?

https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory-destroying-mathematical-economics-within-full-edition

It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.

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 No.102340

>>100950

Look a bit more carefully, because the first and third point you make contradict each other.

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 No.102380

I'm too brainlet to contribute but I wish the more intelligent among us would spend more time discussing shit like this and less time memeing about helicopters.

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 No.102389

>>102380

Fuck it. We're at the level where we might as well be brainlets discussing it, because I agree. I'd rather have this than helicopter and Shockbutt memes.

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 No.102390

>>100950

Isn't the point of OP not to defend free will or determinism, but to point out that predictability v. unpredictability is really the key argument when it comes to the underlying foundations of some libertarian theories?

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 No.105909

Americans think living in a socialist police state is normal, but freedom is not some textbook theory.

There are still some Americans alive today who will tell you that freedom is better.

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File: 1a871180bdca71c⋯.jpg (84.98 KB,672x371,96:53,hugecomputer.jpg)

 No.102551 [Open Thread]

<Goddam antiestablishmentarians. Let's just ban antiestablishment speech.

>First amendment gets in the way.

<Fuck. Maybe we can get some sort of wartime justification.

>Espionage Act of 1917 gets upheld.

<Alright, at least we got that, but I'm envious of how good the U.K. is at controlling their media. Maybe we can regulate the media to encourage them into a few megacorps to at least simplify things.

>FCC established.

<Well, that worked well, maybe now we can covertly control them with spies and blackmail?

>Operation Mockingbird and COINTELPRO gets found out.

<Well fuck, we can wait until people forget about this and then try again.

>Internet comes around.

<Hm, this is going to get out of hand if we let this go. I know, let's covertly fund a few DARPA projects so we can make and control our own megacorps from the start!

>Start "LifeLog" and cancel it the same day Facebook starts up.

>Slush fund the fuck out of Google/Amazon/etc..

<Well shit, subsidizing the media directly under the guise of military projects is working a lot better than when we tried to do it surreptitiously under the CIA. Let's formalize this arrangement.

>Pass Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.

>Continue directly funding FANG.

<Hm, it looks like 12 people are trying to make an alternative to this stuff. Let's squash that right away.

>Covertly tell the two existing payment processing megacorps to squash your opponents.

How accurate is my history of the past 100 years, /liberty/?

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>>102582

>1st column: FBI, J Edgar Hoover, and then descriptions of COINTELPRO, how the FBI has the ability to blackmail anyone in the U.S. and Hoover supposedly intimidated sitting U.S. Presidents ( https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Edgar-Hoover ). COINTELPRO techniques are still in use to this very day

Reminds me of how the KGB took over the USSR. Technically, modern Russia is still ruled by a fucking KGB rat.

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 No.102596

>>102582

I need to play that game again. The first time I played it I was so stupidly "WEHHH, I DON'T LIKE RAIDEN," that I missed all the cool shit and truth it was raining from left and right. Also, in retrospect, I now don't really mind Raiden all that much.

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 No.102597

>>102596

>in retrospect, I now

Apologies for the contradictory speech. I'm going to bed.

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 No.102605

>>102551

Needs more jews tbqh.

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 No.105908

Americans scream that the USA is a free and peaceful country with a balanced budget and then turn around and say that they never said that.

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