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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 862e5e987895cb1⋯.jpg (46.05 KB,640x545,128:109,ronpaul.jpg)

 No.105511 [Open Thread]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for libertarian discussion.

Now on 8kun!

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 No.105730

>>105728

julay.world/liberty was the biggest but they had a big purge

That board was migrated to hoppe.sama but they had technical problems

The same board migrated to 8chan.moe/liberty

For whatever reason that group does not like 8kun. There's also decidedly more anime and larp posting.

There's also 9chan.tw/libertarian

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 No.101156 [Open Thread]

how will people solve 5G problem in ancap? is sending 5G radiation into someone's property a violation of NAP? will in ancap people defend their properties with counter-radiation or some kind of a shield? okay G5 radiation is (probably) not unhealthy but in ancap we will have many crazy tinfoilhat people i hope

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 No.101523

Related Question: Can the state track you if you interfere with state use-only bandwidth?

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 No.101526

>>101523

The state can kill you with telepathically implanted hypnotic suggestions if they wanted to.

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 No.101553

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 No.105931

Is Rand Paul the only American who still cares about freedom?

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 No.105968

Americans scream that there must be a new law that outlaws punching firefighters, but isn't assault already illegal?

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 No.103156 [Open Thread]

Thoughts?

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 No.103173

>>103167

OP is a rentier, not a welfare queen not a NEET leech.

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 No.103177

>>103156

Fagbook libertarian niggers who start threads with "thoughts?" Instead of stating their opinions or admitting they support the thing they posted deserve the rope. That's my thoughts.

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 No.103183

>>103177

Why would you say that? I am genuinely curious. :^)

Fuck the phrase "I am genuinely curious"/"I am curious." If you really were curious, you wouldn't need to declare it.

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 No.103189

File: 1744e8d4f7c0f7a⋯.png (1.08 MB,1024x1022,512:511,6475132744622.png)

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 No.105967

One wonders if Snowden regrets throwing away his life to warn ungrateful Americans about unconstitutional NSA wire-tapping.

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File: b1c0207edf3c817⋯.jpeg (63.75 KB,800x534,400:267,talia katz.jpeg)

 No.101892 [Open Thread]

After a couple of months of lurking this forum and reading pretty much every thread I came to the conclusion that many of you (fortunately not the majority) are basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people.

Even Austin Petersen brings up the fact that many white supremacists use Libertarianism as a cover for their racist beliefs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKkv8OS0MY

The Hoppe memes betray your authoritarianism. Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

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 No.101927

File: 946fe5df333a74d⋯.jpg (347.33 KB,1200x1460,60:73,1200px-Gilbert_Stuart_Will….jpg)

>>101892

>basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people

Yes. And?

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 No.101928

File: 1a23b797188a741⋯.jpg (55.62 KB,600x752,75:94,Austin Petersen being a mo….jpg)

>>101892

>Even Austin Petersen

>Even

Austin Petersen is kind of a moron, a dick, and a soft-libertarian. He's not an authority.

>Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

>abortion

Because it's the murder of a human being, and hence against the NAP?

>drugs

I don't want to ban drugs. I think they are degenerate, but not that they should be cirminalized. That said, I also don't feel particularly sorry for drug dealers who get convicted, precisely because they are degenerates who couldn't care less abou thte liberty of others.

>workers rights

Excuse me? What special rights are workers supposed to possess? Yes, they can strike, but they are not entitled to continued payment or to not being terminated over it. They don't "deserve" a "living wage" just as I don't deserve an "adequate wage", and frankly, many of them can suck my dick for being egotistical assholes. Any of them care about how hard some small business owners work? Care about whether they get to see their family more than two hours a day? No, of course they don't. Workers aren't saints, they are out for their own advantage, and they are no more entitled to my respect than anyone else who cares only about his own hide. Not talking about all workers here. I have nothing against workers who aren't political - thankfully the majority of them - or who aren't egoists pretending to be altruistic.

>homosexuality

See above, what I said on drugs.

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 No.101930

>>101892

>worker's """""""rights""""""""

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 No.102143

>>101892

Wait a minute… It took you A COUPLE OF MONTHS to figure this out? … Low IQ indeed.

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 No.105966

Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons.

While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers.

One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might.

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 No.101455 [Open Thread]

>ancucks thinking they will survive without their mommies

>ancucks thinking they will survive a week without laws to protect them from big mean fascist and commies hordes

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 No.101503

>>101471

>truth is bait

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 No.101522

>>101500

Well, it's true in a way. If you are being protected by one gang, you're being protected from another.

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 No.101528

File: 8914328d0c8c9f2⋯.png (34.68 KB,625x626,625:626,1401441795343.png)

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 No.101554

>>101522

You're not protected from statism though.

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 No.105965

Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons.

While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers.

One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might.

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File: 5a9326430dd15e1⋯.jpg (8.22 MB,3601x4501,3601:4501,Fitch 4.jpg)

 No.101485 [Open Thread]

Well the Deep State is very alive in San Francisco and ran a pyscologicol operation on me and yes think Manchurian Candidate scenario in play? Well wrong guy for sure and safe I am and exposing it I will.

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 No.101510

>>101485

you are probably psychotic friend

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 No.101524

is this a /liberty/-inspired creepypasta?

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 No.101525

They didn't do enough then

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 No.101527

Please, OP, I need more.

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 No.105964

Americans think anarchy means that the government will give them food stamps and ban plastic bags.

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 No.98413 [Open Thread]

Sometimes I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go onto commie forums, pretend I was communist, but then troll them by attacking the in-group by saying that they are not communist enough. Just try to get ideological opponents to falter by making them accelerate to the most extreme possible opinions possible. Just destroy any modicum of moderate political opinions that the left have.

I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.

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 No.99578

File: 2acd424d9c9aebd⋯.png (191.22 KB,392x336,7:6,2acd424d9c9aebd85a658352b1….png)

>>99559

>It's shown me it was a bullshit idea to possibly think

>Three days after when very little has happened yet

Anon, we're just getting started.

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 No.99579

You Nazis ARE commies lol

National Socialism is still a form of socialism you fucking idiots

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 No.99580

>>99579

Who are you responding to?

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 No.99965

>>99580

He must think this is /pol/ lol

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 No.105963

One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.

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 No.98106 [Open Thread]

In the future, the world is run by a single planetary government, new laws declare all people to now be no longer legally considered human, except Males whose Genetics are 75% or Greater West-European, 75% or Greater East-Asian, or are 50% West-European and 50% East Asian.

Females and those who were not White or Yellow became less than animals, they now had the same legal status as inanimate objects with no value whatsoever, anything could be done to them, and they could become the property of any West-European or East-Asian Male, if that occurred, they'd have some measure of protection in the same way any piece of property receives legal protection from the property rights of the owner, however, this offers nothing in the way of the property's protections from their owner, or from anyone acting with the owner's consent.

The planetary government had segregated the planet according to race, giving the West-Europeans exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the East-Asians, and giving the East-Asians exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the West-Europeans, no member of one of these two races is permitted to immigrate into the territory of the other race, though visitation is permitted, Half-Breeds between the two races may immigrate between both of these territories, being the only ones permitted to do so, but they are also forbidden from working within any government positions, being the only racial group to face such a limitation.

The only laws of the planetary government that now exist (for those they still apply to), are the laws of the Non-Aggression Principle, meaning that the only crimes are property crimes and crimes against the person, the principles of consent and ownership form the foundation of all laws, this means that crimes like murder and theft are all that remain, and everything else, such as intellectual property and any limitations on the freedom of expression, animal rights, labor rights, and even the age of consent have all been completely abolished, this means that things such as cannibalism, necrophilia, incest, pedophilia, and bestiality have all been permanently legalized, since the laws cannot be changed by anyone, even those at the highest levels of power are rendered powerless to make a sinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.101456

File: 145817724370199⋯.png (1.75 MB,1175x1241,1175:1241,loli vs adult women - pedo.png)

I'd play it.

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 No.101472

>>101456

fucking saved

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 No.101481

I can dig it, op.

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 No.101496

>offering cookies in order to convince libertarians to allow you to subvert and corrupt the NAP

Fuck off, kikeroach.

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 No.105962

Americans used to hate criminals and the homeless, but now every American is a criminal and soon every American will be homeless.

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 No.105952 [Open Thread]

I am a libertarian in every sense except for IP, I just can’t fathom a world in which you toil at your notebook all day, week, month, year, etc and in the very end, when you finally get to show it to the world, someone else who’s more popular finds it and publishes it as their own. How is that ok?

I’ve been told that it is because you can’t own an idea since they are infinite, but how is this when every human has an expiry date, as well as the human race? You can only come up with a finite amount of ideas since all humans are finite, thus you should be able to own your ideas.

I’ve also been told that it would democratize media, but does this not just mean the death of cannon? I’m not saying that community-made, public domain projects where anyone can make anything and it’s cannon don’t work, but I think that all media can’t work that way. The reason why stories work is because they are the culmination of one mind’s nearly 100% cohesive ideas brought together. Why do you think most novels are written by one person most of the time? If everything became an SCP like project, it would be very boring. Also aren’t we as libertarians supposed to hate democracy, valuing monarchy over it? Does it not seem a little pragmatic or hypocritical?

What are we to do about stolen ideas? Since there is no system of IP protection, are people just allowed to take ideas other people made and take the credit and money for it? If I write a song and a family member steals the lyrics from me and release it as a hit single, making millions off of the words I wrote, is that ok?

What if someone outside of ancapistan has their idea stolen? Are they supposed to let this transgression of their “state-granted” IP rights go unpunished?

You might wonder “who would enforce this?” Would it not be the same private courts enforcing property rights?

Please give me your best arguments against IP rights, and keep in mind that all questions I may ask are in good faith. I’m genuinely interested, and willing to change my opinion on IP rights.

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 No.105955

Is there much difference between the elites who are destroying the US with wars, debt, and tyranny and the Americans who accept the wars, debt, and police state?

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 No.105959

>>105955 what does this have to do with anything?

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 No.105961

Americans are so completely insane now that Americans scream banning baseball hats is wonderful because cowboy hat collections will increase in value.

https://dis.tinychan.net/lounge/

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File: 0f0e5374b60156f⋯.jpeg (2.15 MB,3264x2448,4:3,IMG_0370.jpeg)

 No.105953 [Open Thread]

I am a libertarian in every sense except for IP, I just can’t fathom a world in which you toil at your notebook all day, week, month, year, etc and in the very end, when you finally get to show it to the world, someone else who’s more popular finds it and publishes it as their own. How is that ok?

I’ve been told that it is because you can’t own an idea since they are infinite, but how is this when every human has an expiry date, as well as the human race? You can only come up with a finite amount of ideas since all humans are finite, thus you should be able to own your ideas.

I’ve also been told that it would democratize media, but does this not just mean the death of cannon? I’m not saying that community-made, public domain projects where anyone can make anything and it’s cannon don’t work, but I think that all media can’t work that way. The reason why stories work is because they are the culmination of one mind’s nearly 100% cohesive ideas brought together. Why do you think most novels are written by one person most of the time? If everything became an SCP like project, it would be very boring. Also aren’t we as libertarians supposed to hate democracy, valuing monarchy over it? Does it not seem a little pragmatic or hypocritical?

What are we to do about stolen ideas? Since there is no system of IP protection, are people just allowed to take ideas other people made and take the credit and money for it? If I write a song and a family member steals the lyrics from me and release it as a hit single, making millions off of the words I wrote, is that ok?

What if someone outside of ancapistan has their idea stolen? Are they supposed to let this transgression of their “state-granted” IP rights go unpunished?

You might wonder “who would enforce this?” Would it not be the same private courts enforcing property rights?

Please give me your best arguments against IP rights, and keep in mind that all questions I may ask are in good faith. I’m genuinely interested, and willing to change my opinion on IP rights.

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 No.105954

Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons.

While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers.

One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might.

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 No.105960

>>105954 what does this have to do with IP rights?

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 No.105958 [Open Thread]

Talk to a gynecologist and obstetrician.The causes of having a genius,omnipotence,superpeople,great minds.To get a starship.A replicator.A miracle.The need.Air smog.Each thing has a spectrum.The parts of the spectrum of each thing that have the opposite reaction to the parts of the spectrums which cause defects,retards,sickness,etc,etc and there's the other parts in the middle (example - the berry spectrum has the healthiest berries and poisonous berries and the other berries in the middle).Cravings.The elements.Vitamins,metals and minerals.By taking a supplement while pregnant.Eating or drinking the same thing again and again or a combination of things or not eating or drinking much.Problems to get,find or make foods.Having smart or physical body's to get the things eaten.Processed and natural foods.

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 No.100798 [Open Thread]

Why does socialism keep growing until it reaches a level of starvation and famine in some countries?

Also, it kind of feels like the Holodomor and Mao's famine is forgotten about.

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 No.100807

Killing people and taking their stuff works until it doesn't.

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 No.100808

>>100798

in poland we had communism but not starvation and famine

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 No.100824

File: e5c60d5ee4610fe⋯.png (49.77 KB,800x418,400:209,Fire Horse Japan.png)

>>100798

Regarding China's speak in death rates in that one year(1966), was because it was the year of the Fire Horse. Both fire and horses are symbols of freedom and free spirits, so the combination gives you the most free spirited and rebellious person imaginable. The problem is that if a girl was born in that year, she would become rebellious, lazy, never listens to her parents or husband, doesn't cook or clean, spends all the money and nags a lot, basically the worst possible woman imaginable. So no to risk having a girl, many decided not to make babies that year, and does that did, it it turned out to a be a girl, threw them in the dumpster.

Even the Japanese are guilty of this, and it's more regarding superstition, rather than socialism.

http://www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Year_of_the_Fire_Horse

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 No.100838

File: 71226a766fbcb9f⋯.pdf (5.51 MB,Matthew White - Atrocitolo….pdf)

>>100798

>Why does socialism keep growing until it reaches a level of starvation and famine in some countries?

It actually doesn't always do that. Sometimes, it hits a limit in its growth before it causes widespread famine. It always leaves whatever society it infects worse than it was before, like a flu, but also like the flu, it can be the equivalent of a really bad cold (as in Cuba), or it can outright kill you (as in China). Depends on your society, and the socialist ideology penetrating it. Cuba has a sizable Catholic population, and Catholic societies produce rather benign rulers. China, on the other hand, was always authoritarian and totalitarian, so when the communists took it over, they met little resistance in making the worst of it.

>Also, it kind of feels like the Holodomor and Mao's famine is forgotten about.

Yeah, they kinda are. Pdf related is a very good introduction to this topic.

>>100824

Very interesting, I did not know this before.

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 No.105957

You live a life of crime when everything is illegal.

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 No.100941 [Open Thread]

>communism doesn't wo-

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 No.100977

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>>100941

>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?

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 No.100983

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

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 No.100993

>>100958

same in communist poland

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 No.105937

Americans insist that they live in a free country and just shrug when they are given overwhelming proof that the US is a police state.

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 No.105956

Do the elites plan to wall off cities so that no one can escape?

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 No.105950 [Open Thread]

bring the communist utopia for hungary

Zengjük a dalt!

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 No.105951

Americans hate freedom with a passion.

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 No.99939 [Open Thread]

http://usa.v1.abalancingact.com/

Show me your budgets /liberty/.

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 No.100211

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>>100207

He did reduce the spending to zero, the website is just retarded and still assumes Medicare and Social security have costs to maintain even if you set everything to zero.

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 No.100213

>>100211

yeah why can't you just completely cut welfare and Medicare?

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 No.100215

>>100213

This is my issue with ALL of these fucking budget calculators (ESPECIALLY >>100206 , you niggerfaggot). You can't line item by department, you have to do only the options the thinktank who made it will let you do.

In this case, if you read the popup, they explain their asinine reasoning.

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 No.100275

>>100207

I'm not autistic enough to adjust the other settings as it would take too long.

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 No.105949

Americans used to think hippies were lazy fruits for dropping out during the Vietnam War, but maybe the hippies had the right idea after all.

If you can't change a corrupt system, why be a part of it?

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