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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 862e5e987895cb1⋯.jpg (46.05 KB, 640x545, 128:109, ronpaul.jpg)

 No.105511[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for libertarian discussion.

Now on 8kun!

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 No.105730

>>105728

julay.world/liberty was the biggest but they had a big purge

That board was migrated to hoppe.sama but they had technical problems

The same board migrated to 8chan.moe/liberty

For whatever reason that group does not like 8kun. There's also decidedly more anime and larp posting.

There's also 9chan.tw/libertarian

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 No.103575[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>socialist gotchas

>"in ancap how will we get X?"

>"I'm 12 and what is this?"

Feel free to ask all your stupid question here. Check the wiki https://archive.fo/bbtHt before posting.

Previous episode: >>/97996/

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 No.105711

>>105709

Private courts can handle disputes. Private security can enforce the courts decision. As long as an ancap community doesn't prevent freedom of movement, there shouldn't be any worry of some sort of ancap-committee turning into an HOA on steroids.

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 No.105739

What would've happened to Epstein in an AnCap world?

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 No.105740

Is ownership of unimproved land ever legitimate? What moral principal grants land ownership if not homesteading rights?

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 No.105741

>>105739

A bunch of angry fathers would have had him drawn and quartered.

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 No.105751

>>105711

Okay, let's suppose someone burns someone else's house and kills his family. What is supposed to happen next?

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File: 265a063f35d363d⋯.png (273.12 KB, 2048x2048, 1:1, stop_it.png)

 No.105638[Reply]

When is everyone going to realize that we are in a spiritual war for our very souls?

please read and watch all of this. Extremely important:

https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/9776409.html#9778683

https://qmap.pub/read/4535

https://invidio.us/watch?v=-fhGV1LxeKQ

https://invidio.us/watch?v=IdRcL6u2fZs

Floyd knew the man that killed him, and that corrupt possibly fake illuminati deep state satanic globalist cop dude killed the innocent floyd because corona meme is getting old, and the bad guys want to start a race war so that they can make a civil war and then have china attack when we're not paying attention.

right now we're in:

cold civil war

global cold war

psychological cold war

spiritual cold war

with who?

evil itself

black lives matter are the same exact people as antifa, and they're all funded by george soros, the clintons, the obamas, the united nations, the bidens, and every other illuminati bad guy. all satanic globalist communists.

they want division,

they fear our unity, regardless of background or color or whatever.

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 No.105639

>Lists a bunch of ultra rich assholes.

>Calls them communists.

And then you demand to be taken seriously.

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 No.105642

>>105639

non argument

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 No.105643

>>105642

Communists are poor fucks. Not rich fucks.

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 No.105648

>>105643

>Communists are poor fucks. Not rich fucks.

The top leaders are rich as fuck while they let the rest stay dirt poor so they are easily controlled.

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 No.105750

truth

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 No.105692[Reply]

Great rundown on the Constitution Party platform.

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 No.105744

Thanks. I am weirded about by the LP this time around and was thinking about voting Constitution but can be hit or miss. Still deciding if I will vote or not.

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 No.105747

Vimeo embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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 No.105748

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 No.103631[Reply]

how many hours a day would average person need to work in order to make a living in free society (ancap)?

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 No.105145

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>>105143

>implying that you can't virtue signal anonymously

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 No.105627

>>103631

>how many hours a day would average person need to work in order to make a living in free society (ancap)?

You wouldn't work. Your sex robot would get up early in the morning, go to work at its shitty job, come home late pissed off just as you feel asleep, and rape you.

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 No.105640

>>103631

>THE TRUTH

USA's KDR: 4.44

USSR's KDR: 0.49

lol get wrecked commie scum

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 No.105641

>>105627

replace "sex robot" with "husband" and you've just described the average American's life

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 No.105746

>>105640

>

lol'd

funny

but ak4ually the ussr definitely made a greater contribution

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 No.105713[Reply]

How can you fall for it, honestly? The elites following the luciferian doctrine will be laughing their heads of while you follow the rod with the carrot that they have layed out. Look at Bill Cooper if you want some truth about what is going on in the world, they killed him for exposing mystery babylon. He was a real american hero, a fighter for freedom, you faggots all are a disgrace.

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 No.105726

>>105713

Anon, he was a great man getting the word out! Gave us everything we need to win this battle. Still a dangerous man 19 years after the occult killed him. Truth is dangerous to the ones hiding it. It's the battle of good and evil in this world.

Any of you remember him saying this? I loved it when he said it on air.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

This ones is a good lecture..

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=f7zxlaVzYOM

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 No.105729

Good read, the Court System and Freemasonry in America.

https://www.ctmin.org/pdf/thecourstsystemandfreemasonry.pdf

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 No.105735

Bill Cooper was a nutcase who died trying to shoot his way out of a tax evasion arrest. He tried to expand his operation by asking his viewers to buy out news corporations so that he could control them.

He was not a wise or well informed man, he just spoke with confidence and shot down his callers some times so that you would believe the rest of his bullcrap.

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 No.105738

wooot

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 No.105745

>>105735

Seems like another freemason is trying to cover up the truth about legendary freedom loving Bill Cooper who exposed all their secrets. Handshakes, passwords, gestures, yay yay. Guess some masonic shills are really butthurt about that one. Your only protection is secrecy, once it is out and enough people understand you have a problem. Does not bring much trying to convince people not to listen to Cooper. As Bill said, your biggest secret is how to control everybody else. Just a matter of time…… "Oh Lord, my God is there no help for the son of a widow?" That one will get you out of trouble dear freedomlovers. Search the truth, you will not be dissapointed. Bill was spot on with everything. A dangerous man for those who do not love freedom and hide behind lies.

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 No.105715[Reply]

I think the Prince has a lot of wonderful ideas, but I think he is placing too much reliance upon the democratic notions of his people. Perhaps it is easier to do with a homogeneous population of 35,000. I would absolutely love to see Hoppe and the Prince get together for talk.

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 No.105734

Pretty good video. Wish gun control was not shoved down their throat by the EU.

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 No.105737

>>105734

Are Swiss gun laws just a meme or are they on par with the US?

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 No.105743

>>105737

Both real and meme from what I understand. I think to have free trade they needed to implement some EU gun laws that were more restrictive. However if you are in the army you get free guns and ammo but I think it is still stricter than the US.

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 No.105679[Reply]

Bitcoin: The End of Money as We Know It

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 No.105742

The most valuable thing to come out of this technology is not cryptocurrency, but the blockchain. The blockchain has the tremendous ability to bring about greater liberty.

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 No.101595[Reply]

I would like to bring to your attention the direction in which the Monarchist/Neo-Reactionary movement is going: anti-capitalism. What's interesting here is that they criticize what they perceive as failures of capitalism from a coherently right-wing authoritarian position, rather than from typical Marxism.

The latest installment of this phenomenon is the rise of Carlylean Restorationist, who has been a very frequent and prolific blogger on Jim's and Spandrell's blogs (you don't have to know who these people are) before launching his own blog:

https://chromium.fashion.blog/

(It's not about fashion, kek)

What is interesting here is that he collects and articulates the anti-capitalist, pro-statist viewpoints of fellow Neo-Reactionaries, and does so in quite compelling a manner. So, at any rate, I'd suggest that some folks who browse this /liberty/ board look into CR's blog and see if they are convinced by what he's put forth.

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 No.105719

>>101595

>anti-capitalist

The neo-reactionaries fall for the rhetoric of their ideological enemies. Capitalism is a misnomer created by Marxists. The accumulation of capital has been with human society since practically the beginning. Definitely well before the industrial revolution. It is simply part of the natural way humans interact with each other. Many of these neo-reactionaries are really just tradcath monarchists that want distributionism to be the primary form of the economy, thinking somehow it will be more moral and just. Yet distributionism is just an ideal, they can never explain the transitory stage. Because to do so they would have to admit that they are pseudo-socialists and would have to redistribute land, making them in turn their own ideological enemies.

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 No.105724

>>101625

Last I heard he was shilling Yang. Acceleration sm or something idk.

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 No.105731

>>105719

Could someone explain distributionism and how it contrasts with free-market capitalism?

I've heard the term "distributism" once before, is that the same thing?

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 No.105732

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I think this Albert Jay Nock quote is pretty relevant to this issue. We can all agree that modern Libertarianism has devolved into “small d” democrats appealing to mass democracy and feel-good politics. However our origins (Libertarianism from the Old Right) understood the dangers of mass-democracy and the mob. We are for the individual, not the sea of retards that wish majority rule to stamp out dissenters.

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 No.105736

>>105731

>distributionism

Just a typo. I am not Catholic and so I don't have the best grasp on it, but below is a link for an old article that Tom Woods wrote as a critique against distributism. As you probably know, Tom Woods is a tradcath as is Anthony Flood who is also against distributism. In my opinion, it seems rather shallow and more of an ideal to be placed upon the free-market. Distributism seems to assume that the free-market is inherently immoral and thus there must be some degree of control upon it to make it more moral. If businesses are limited to some degree of size like mom & pop stores and everyone gets some land to apply their labor for their own production, this makes it more just than letting the free-market unwind organically. I think it even advocates for trade unions or some form of return to the guild system. Distributists, as well as other critics of the supposed immorality of capitalism, always fail to point out exactly what stage in the growth of a business a moral business owner loses his morals and becomes a greedy immoral business owner.

https://mises.org/library/whats-wrong-distributism

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 No.105733[Reply]

I know some people may be sketched out by Heidegger or Nietzsche due to connections to Nazism, but it seems like both have a lot to say about individualism outside the political context. I really like Nietzsche overall, and with Heidegger I like how he talked about the individual and their various contexts and freeing one's self from all those contexts. What do you think on individualism as a lifestyle not just a political statement?

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 No.105725[Reply]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/doug-casey/doug-casey-on-why-this-election-could-be-the-most-important-since-the-us-civil-war/

"The election will be contested no matter which side wins because the country has become totally polarized. No matter who wins, the other side is going to be terminally unhappy with the result.

This election is undoubtedly the most important one since 1860. The outcome of that was the War Between the States.

The Democrats really want to change the very nature of the US. If they win, they’ll be able to do so, for several reasons. First, it seems almost certain that they’ll make Washington, DC, a state; there will then be 102 senators voting—and those two from Washington, DC, will without question be left-leaning Democrats. Second, the 20 million undocumented people—illegal aliens—now in the US will undoubtedly be made citizens; they lean heavily toward the Democrats. Third, they’ll expand the size of the Supreme Court and pack it with leftists.

There could be more, of course. Perhaps they’ll probably reduce the voting age to 16; it’s already the case in Argentina and a growing number of other countries. Maybe they’ll even engineer a Constitutional Convention to change everything. The 2nd Amendment will go, of course, and the rest of the Bill of Rights would be heavily modified. Most of it’s already a dead letter—but that would formalize the change once and for all.

These things would cement the Democrats in office. But please don’t think I support the Republicans. That would be like supporting tuberculosis just because it’s better than terminal cancer.

It used to be pretty simple—the Republicans and the Democrats were just two sides of the same coin. Like Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Traditionally, one promoted the warfare state more, the other the welfare state. But it was mostly rhetoric; they were pretty collegial. Now, both the welfare and the warfare states have been accepted as partPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>105725

Would not disagree. However language wise I would call them special zones vs becoming states as outright secession would not likely work at the ballot box. Try to get states to be more like Puerto Rico in governance.

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 No.105704[Reply]

Really missed this site and glad it is back up. What is on your mind? Also how are you advancing liberty in your own life?

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 No.105707

I'm married now

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 No.105712

>>105704

At the moment I am just trying to be self-sufficient. I did buy some gold and crypto, I suppose that is something.

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 No.105722

>>105707

Congrats!

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>>105712

I bought a little before the uptick. I personally would like to get into Agorism and counter markets but most my ideas seem elaborate as it is. Also taking some classes so I can eventually permanently work from home and travel.

On a side note do you think other commodities will moon? It seems that gold and silver are the first to moon then the rest of them do. I am trying to stock up on commodity stocks atm as I think a lot of them are undervalued imo.

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 No.105602[Reply]

Dr. Jo Jorgensen is the 2020 Libertarian Party nominee for President

>Slash federal spending

>Block all new federal borrowing

>Eliminate the Dept of Education

>Eliminate the ATF

>Opt out option for Social Security

>Deregulate energy, pro-nuclear

>Deregulate health industry, compromise medial-industrial complex

>Anti-War: Turn America in to one giant Switzerland: Armed and Neutral

/ourgirl/

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 No.105703

>>105702

*Seems

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 No.105705

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>>105614

Makes me support her even more.

“What human has the right to remain, unbidden, as an unwanted parasite within some other human being’s body? This is the nub of the issue: the absolute right of every person and hence every woman, to the ownership of her own body. What the mother is doing in an abortion is causing an unwanted entity within her body to be ejected from it: If the fetus dies, this does not rebut the point that no being has a right to live, unbidden, as a parasite within or upon some person’s body.”- Rothbard

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 No.105706

>>105705

If you really believe this, then in order to be consistent you'd have to give mothers the choice to abandon their babies to die of exposure.

And I don't know why he's equating unborn children with parasites when it's completely irrelevant to his argument. Babies are parasites as well in that they take in fluids from the mother's body and are completely reliant on the mother for survival.

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 No.105708

>>105705

This is why libertarianism needs a Christian moral foundation

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 No.105710

>>105708

I agree. Isn't the NAP just a reiteration of the Golden Rule, plus the commandments not to kill and not to steal?

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 No.103584[Reply]

Google whistle blower shares the following

>Insider: Google "is bent on never letting somebody like Donald Trump come to power again."

>Google Exec Says Don't Break Us Up: "smaller companies don't have the resources" to "prevent next Trump situation"

>Google Head of Responsible Innovation Says Elizabeth Warren "misguided" on "breaking up Google"

>Insider Says PragerU And Dave Rubin Content Suppressed, Targeted As "Right-Wing"

>LEAKED Documents Highlight "Machine Learning Fairness" and Google’s Practices to Make Search Results "fair and equitable"

>Documents Appear to Show "Editorial" Policies That Determine How Google Publishes News

>Insider: Google Violates "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" on Section 230

Video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

Btw, this video was deleted from their channel on youtube (owned by google) obviously

The full interview:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NMTqpbpJ94ap/

Ancaps will defend this

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 No.103763

>>103756

Point to one post in this thread, any post, that depicts Google in a positive light.

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 No.103766

>>103756

>concocting retarded conspiracy theories

Such as?

>Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way, and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.

Why won't this strawman end? No one is exonerating google for their obvious abuse of power but it is myopic to solely blame google when the state facilitates such abuse through the incentive system known as corporate welfare.

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 No.105694

>>103756

>Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way

It's not "their way". They are constantly threatened into it by normies, by NGOs, by police, by courts and by all sorts of governments around the world. It's like saying that chans want to ban child porn, homosexuality and terrorism. They don't. They do it to survive. The world is still pretty much the dictatorship of a normie. Now perhaps more than ever.

>and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

>>103763

>Point to one post in this thread, any post, that depicts Google in a positive light.

Posting one just now.

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 No.105695

Why do people always try to equate ancap with corporatism? If a corporation violates the NAP by, say, extorting people who use ideas that they claim they "own" (you can't own things that immune to scarcity) then they are just as unjust as a government that extorts people through taxation.

That's the beauty of anarcho-capitalism. The moral foundation stands on its own, completely apart from the politics of the parties who partake of it.

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 No.105696

>>105695

It is the same people that claim capitalism is inherently immoral and that it inevitably leads to greedy overlords. Of course these are the same people that can never provide an answer to where exactly a moral business owner loses his morals in the growth of his business.

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 No.105652[Reply]

Unironically more fun than the original game.

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 No.105658

>>105656

It has completely different rules from the original game. You have to work together to make your community better, and once its thriving you backstab each other to be the best socialist.

There are two outcomes:

The best backstabber wins.

The community runs out of money and everyone loses.

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 No.105660

kek

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 No.105663

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 No.105666

>>105652

Ok zoomer whatever you say

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 No.105690

>>105652

Just bought this, but it would have been more apt to have stolen it.

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