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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.96745 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

>Dark Enlightenment

thoughts?

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 No.97526

>>97492

CHRISTCUCKS ARE SHIT AND ANTITHETICAL TO FREEDOM

There you go.

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 No.97754

>>97444

how fearing death can make someone socialist?

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 No.104432

bump

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 No.104436

>>96927

It's more like a downward spiral than anything else.

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 No.104710

>>96927

yes it can but there is no must

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 No.87005 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

tell me the most redpill thing you know

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 No.104438

I actually think National Anarchism would be the ideal form of society, but to get there there needs to be a transitional period of dictatorship, as only an authoritarian government will have the will and power to deport the nonwhites (Jews and mudslimes first) and exterminate the White traitors, which is necessary if white communities are to have any hope of living in peace.

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 No.104439

File: c509ee3b0350339⋯.jpg (94.72 KB,629x366,629:366,1448723078844.jpg)

>>104434

This. Politicians are saints.

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 No.104440

>>104438

I'd be happy either way as long as the dictator actually fulfills his promise to create ancap, but I'm very skeptical of such promises. For every Lee Kuan Yew there is a hundred socialist cocksuckers, and the chance of a getting an altruistic dictator seems low.

In any case, most of these niggers are illegals, and the rest have been invited by the government without anyone's consent, so for all I care, it's completely ethical and even profitable for private police to get rid of them, as no one tolerates niggers, not even leftists.

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 No.104507

>>98060

Have been for a least a couple hundred years, yeah. The US of A is a white country, pal. That's how it was defined.

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 No.104709

>>104507

whiteness is a race not a nation

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 No.97408 [Open Thread]

is there a regularity that every generation has less and less freedom and liberty?

mp4rel not really related

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 No.97426

>>97413

how will it end?

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 No.97431

>>97426

The same way rome ended, slowly, painfully and with gasps of relief from the people who were forced to live through the end of it

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 No.97749

>>97431

were rome citizens happy about the fall of rome?

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 No.97757

>>97749

Given that quite few defected into the immigrating German tribes, I'd wager yes.

Western Rome was a complete shithole by the 5th century.

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 No.104704

>>97757

will westerners be happy about fall of the weast?

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 No.104118 [Open Thread]

People on the left say capitalism requires endless growth, yet the populations of developed countries is decreasing. The leftists say that this bad for our economy and we need more people. What is "good" growth and is this different than simple population growth?

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 No.104330

>>104324

One tidbit I forgot to mention in that post is the fact that it really is only government that can import 3rd worlders like in the example I mentioned, since I know someone will bring it up. In a free society, a company can still bring on 3rd worlders in certain circumstantial incidents, and a company might rely on 3rd world labor for certain aspects of their production. However in a free society, the company in question largely has to offset many of the costs of bringing on labor from a 3rd world country. They have to address (read: pay to mitigate) the language barrier, the housing barrier, the fact that the local population might just refuse to sell food and basic necessities to the 3rd worlder, etc. In a sense, the company in a free society must pay the associated costs of bringing some foreigner to come work for them, including the social costs of firing locals to hire foreigners. A government has to do none of this, since they can just import the unskilled third worlder and proceed to let them run wild (in some cases quite literally). Any damages caused by the third worlder will be taken out of the taxpayer's pocket at gunpoint, in the current world model. It might behoove a company to simply keep the local population employed or to replace the local population with automation creating a win-win for everyone, since in these ways they don't have to pay both the financial and social costs of hiring the "cheaper" foreigners.

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 No.104331

>>104183

There's actually a funny case with this. Before the creation of the EPA, several factories in the US were actually shut down because a farmer was able to prove that the pollutants killed one of his cows or something similar. With the creation of the EPA, companies only had to show that they were following the guidelines put in place by the federal agency to win a court case instead of having to prove they weren't killing Farmer Joe's pigs.

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 No.104332

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>>104189

>yes, in the absence of gov't regulation

Taco Bell seems to have accomplished this just fine with the presence of "gov't regulation." In fact, 5,698,630 people every day seem to not care that they're getting a product from Taco Bell that doesn't even meet the guidelines for what can be called meat.

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 No.104336

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>>104118

Because big government and big banking print unlimited money and expect you to work to justify its value by paying back loans.

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 No.104630

>>104170

>Capitalism requires endless growth because stagnation (in size/profit/growth/etc) equals death in that sacred 'free market'.

How are stagnant markets dead? Real estate market in Japan has been stagnant for 30 years but still functions.

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 No.96035 [Open Thread]

who is the weirdest ancap?

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 No.104550

>>104538

based whale fucker

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 No.104612

>>104538

How is any of this bad?

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 No.104616

>>104612

>how is wanting to fuck humpbacks weird?

If you need it explained you're unlikely to understand.

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 No.104617

>>104616

Its weird yeah but I kind of respect how brazen he is about it. He's just fucking nuts and owns it. I don't know I guess he has some drug addled swagger that is just interesting to watch.

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 No.104621

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 No.98742 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

There is a movement to divide Washington state and create a new state called Liberty

>Creation of new state strictly by gun rights activists

>75% of Eastern WA population supports movement, has congressional backing with multiple bills

>low tax obligations-“government doesn’t produce or own wealth—citizens do”

>”The right to manage and protect life and property will be honored at all levels of government.”

>Currently a voting contest for what the official state rifle will be

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/split-washington-in-two-51st-state-movement-highlights-cultural-divide

https://libertystate.org

https://libertystate.org/about/grievances/

The creation of a new state is constitutional

>Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States allows for the division of a state with a simple majority vote of the Legislature of the state and Congress:

>“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

>https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-iv

Would aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.104512

>>98742

unfortunately new awakening people(white fascist ethno state) want the same territory

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 No.104514

>>104494

>theres a reason they stopped the catalan votes

because they're honest and mean it when they say Spain is a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy and not a Democracy?

or do you prefer the british approach of letting the proles have their say and then doing what you were gonna do anyway?

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 No.104517

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>>104514

>proles

Social democrats harp about the EU and Democracy so it's a thorn in their side regardless. I'm not a fan of democracy either (not a commie cuck) and i doubt any state will succeed in seceding from a superpower. My point was that they don't even want the citizens to make it to the poll booth because it will make them look soooooo bad if they're shown to be forcing people to belong to their country like the palestinians or some shit.

And yes i do prefer britain allowing the referendum to take place because it advertises how dissatisfied people are with their rulers and it just breeds more distrust in the establishment, which is a good thing and why i like trump.

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 No.104532

>>104512

The Cascadia guys? The funny thing I learned about Cascadia is that while there's a white nationalist group that wants it, there's also a socialist group that wants Cascadia.

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 No.104605

>>104517

>>proles

Have you ever been to the uk? The literati here genuinely despise working class people.

They'd never call them proles of course, but you can tell it's what they're thinking.

>it's a thorn in their side regardless

No it is not. As someone who was born in Spain and moved to the UK I can tell you that "Democracy" isn't particularly respected or idealized in the continent like it is in the UK or US.

They don't "harp" about it, they decry it as "populism" at every turn.

>it will make them look soooooo bad if they're shown to be forcing people to belong to their country like the palestinians or some shit

You don't get it. The EU is not in favour of democracy. They're technocrats; they want to unite the EU and return to the good old days of the 19th century, when Europe was the centre of the world, only now it'll be them at the centre of Europe. They don't give a shit about Catalonia or the Brexiteers.

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 No.104589 [Open Thread]

if nothing in the market is illegal, couldn't a bunch of people make a counterfeiting business? because this business is legal the counterfeiters get better and better, with better machinery and no one is getting arrested, this would end up hyper inflating the economy. pic unrelated

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 No.104594

>>104589

Buying something with counterfeited currency is fraudulent.

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 No.104595

>>104594

All fiat money is counterfeit.

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 No.104601

>>104592

well you can counterfeit gold, there is a huge problem in the gold(and silver but mostly gold) market with counterfeit bars where its gold plated and the rest is a material with a similar density

and bitcoin is just fiat but worse, sure it can not be regulated and there is a market cap but it isnt even worth what fiat is worth, paper

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 No.104602

>>104601

As far as I can tell the problem in the gold market is people who don't know what they're doing not verifying whether the gold they've purchased is legitimate or not.

People think that fiat is worth more than the paper is printed on, and our economy continues to function for the time being (certainly not optimally, but it works). The "value" of money is in its function as a medium of exchange. You don't have to be able to hammer Bitcoin into jewelry or use it in electronics to use it as a currency.

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 No.104603

>>104601

>>104602

bitcoin is just a database of transactions, much like our banking system except the database cant be changed

fake gold bars aren't a huge problem and neither is counterfeiting as less than 1 percent of cash is paper.. if anyone is counterfeiting it's the government itself by printing money and devaluing their currency just under the rate at which the public and markets would panic

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 No.103088 [Open Thread]

GREETINGS /liberty/

The Infinity Cup is returning once again, and 8chan's boards will be fighting it out on the pitch to claim divegrass supremacy. As a board that has participated in the Cup at one point or another in its history, you are invited to the reveal stream for 2019 Summer edition of the Cup. On Saturday June 22nd, at 3 PM EDT/7 PM UTC, on cytu.be/r/8cup I'll be giving you guys an early look at the Cup's 5th edition, which will include revamped aesthetics, team stadiums and other quality of life improvements I've figured out how to do in PES 17. Hopefully this will get anons back on board with the Cup, considering it has struggled mightily since its 2nd incarnation.

So how is it going to go down? I'll be staging a couple of exhibition matches between teams using their rosters from the last Cup, and we'll shitpost our merry way through the stream. Once the stream ends, entries will be open for the Cup, and boards can start putting together/editing their rosters and kits. Entries will close in early July, the field will be determined, and the Group Draw will take place approximately a week before the Cup kicks off in August. I'm also hoping to possibly introduce managers for the Cup, although I'm still working out the details to keep this from devolving into a namefag dick measuring contest. I hope you all will tune in, and in case you aren't caught up on your board's history, I've provided some links below to get you caught up:

http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki//liberty/

>>>/8cup/3041

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 No.104339

Does anyone here know how to do the new kits so we don't get disqualified?

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 No.104343

>>104339

You can either do them by hand with the templates in >>104091 or use a creator site like http://www.pesmaster.com/pes-2017/kit-creator/

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 No.104516

Just a couple days left to finalize the uniforms.

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 No.104524

>>104516

who gives a shit

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 No.104555

File: 67ff26a65567770⋯.png (168.84 KB,750x750,1:1,liberty_logo.png)

2 kits are due by tomorrow.

>>104524

You cared enough to bump the thread.

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 No.104509 [Open Thread]

Socialist, national or otherwise, are born and bred to be slaves. I don't care if you don't pass your horrible genes so long you serve me.

Weak men are the normalfags. Those cucks who want to serve women and want equality in any way. Doesn't matter if they are nazis are commies.

Once we make the world ancap I will "unite" everyone… under my boot. Does that make me ancap, fascist or monarch? I know the answer, I wanna see if you know.

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 No.104510

Shit, didn't realize it would look like reddit formatting

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 No.104511

>>104509

i would rather march with communists or fascists before i pick a single weed for a ancap,

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 No.104513

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>Once we make the world ancap I will "unite" everyone… under my boot.

No-one cares about your power fantasies, you autistic redditfaggot.

You need to go back.

SAGE

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 No.104518

>>104511

This. OP should suck my dick since usually when some one talks about something they despise, they usually desire it.

T. Freud

T. Bataille

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 No.104521

>>104511

>I'd much rather do something useless and masturbatory before I do something that might be valuable

Well, of course.

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 No.102426 [Open Thread]

As the Bell Curve by Charles Murray shows, wealth has a high correlation with both IQ and emotional intelligence.

As every libertarian does know the intelectual principle that underlies all human rights is the right to own things or people (i.e. self-ownership principle) through the mechanism of self-enforced self-defended private property.

A requisite for owning wealth is the ability to govern that wealth, as idle wealth is ownerless, for example, an asteroid with deposits of precious ores or uncolonised land.

An animal cannot own property, but a computer can, as animals are unintelligent creatures, and intelligence is what defines humanity.

This is why poorfags are closer to beast than to us.

Ayn Rand was wrong.

Not only poor people are not entitled to our wealth, WE are entitled to THEIR wealth as the animals they are cannot hold property.

Eugenics are good by definition, because income has a high correlation with intelligence, those who are richer are more human than those poorer, thus, any behaviour should be allowed to those in the top, maybe with the exception of degeneracy and charity.

And while it is true that soon Gene Therapy will become avalaible, only us can afford it, so eugenics are still useful to keep poorfags in their rightful place.

People who oppose us, like socialists, vegans or vegan socialists are "people" who want things like taxation, animal rights based on "painism", private charities, human rights not based upon property rights, atheism or antichristianism, labour unions, the abolition of slavery or other any other form of collective delusions.

Effective altruism and charities are not only defective by definiton, but also impossible, as they not only promotes dysgenics, but create an unnatural redistribution of wealth, which should stopped at all cost.

Socialists, liberals and far-left collectivists alike may, in rare occasions, have an intelligence high enough to hold property, however, they are clearly mentally ill, as they contradict the very own property rights that allows them to exist in thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.102809

File: aaad1a9f73ab62d⋯.jpg (21.26 KB,220x318,110:159,220px-Diogenes_in_Thomas_S….jpg)

>>102806

>Blocks your path.

>Bites your ankles

>Stumbles into your house and shits on your carpet

BEHOLD! A TRUE MAN!

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 No.102814

>>102809

Why do neetsocs/socialists praise this degenerate so much? Is it because he reminds them of themselves? Because he was a useless NEET?

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 No.104300

>>102637

accelerationism is all about deterritorialization and turning social capital into economic capital, so yes.

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 No.104356

>>102814

I think anyone who has a disdain for authority - or memes - finds something admirable about Diogenes. He told Alexander the Great to get out of his sunlight. He was either so oblivious to memes as to be immune to them or so disdainful of them as to ignore them. That's a great power and one I think some people here have to some extent. But I've seen no evidence that he respected any memes at all, which is probably folly. Not all ideas are dysmemetic (or however you'd construct that word, I'm not a professional linguist).

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 No.104390

>>102426

is emotional intelligence positively corelated with iq?

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 No.104122 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

/nhg/ NSDAP HOPPEAN GENERAL

Hi, we are part of the NSDAP Hoppean GANG. Basically, we combine Nazi Esotericism and the philosophy of Aryanism, with Techno-Markets, and Economics. The Nazis failed because their production schedules and market capabilities lagged behind the International Jewry's production capabilities. As you can see, the Jewish Corporation named USSR allied with the Rothschild Corporation who owned Great Britain and the United States territories, to destroy National Socialist Germany. The Nazi Government was indeed socialist, and heavily regulated markets! This is why their production capabilities lagged extremely far behind the USSR, who just acted like on big corporation and thus destroyed Germany with her rich resources. Aryan Warriors could not beat Jewish Production, i.e. they still had to obey the Economic laws which are Natural Laws.

The allegation that Austrian Economics or Libertarianism is jewish, is absolute nonsense. Carl Menger created the Austrian School of Economics. Lysander Spooner, Benjamin Tucker, John Locke, and Gustave de Molinari created AnCap-Libertarianism. However, National Socialism heavily based itself on the principles of Stalinism, not necessarily the jewish enslavement system of communism, but very close to it. Joseph Goebbels even said that Hitlerism and Communism were extremely similar. Hitler and the Einsatzgruppen executed millions of communists. This is fucking based and absolutely redpilled. They also took genetics into account. The Slavs are genetically predisposed to jewish enslavement of communism. ABOLISH SLAVS, jkjk. But you get the point.

There is a post, that perfectly extrapolates on our goals here: https://poal.co/s/hoppeanism/73672/3957fd99-b44e-4a10-a199-54ce04b52306

Basically, our goal dumbs down to this, fuse ariosophy and economics together to create the Neo-Libertarian NSDAP Hoppean movement.

We are located on poal.co, as reddit kPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.104342

>>104338

The recognition of minors as moral agents does not necessitate the existence of the state.

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 No.104346

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>>104313

Name a women more beautiful than kali you can't

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 No.104347

>>104342

Let me put it in a way you soyboy/moralniggers understand:

when you kill your own kid its ok

when you kill my kid its not ok

When I kill your kid it's ok

simple as nature, faggot

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 No.104357

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>>104347

>simple as nature, faggot

this 2BQH

the problem is that it's in the interest of a (((small group of people))) to create states as a method of coercion

then we need to collectivize in order to protect our self interest of not being statist cucks but that means us ancaps are actually progressive communists

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 No.104389

>>104346

kali yuga?

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 No.103945 [Open Thread]

Well?

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 No.104368

Don't know about Distributism but I guess Georgism might be left-libertarian on the political compass? It's still related to libertarianism so it would be in that range at least.

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 No.104105 [Open Thread]

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 No.104110

>>104109

Subreddits that are dedicated to an "intellectual" pursuit such as this one, askreddit, etc., are Dunning-Krueger personified.

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 No.104113

Who wrote that does not know that the gold standard works unlike the flat earth.

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 No.104114

Either they're a bunch of Keynesians or they're referring to the fact that there are still means by which nations can fuck with currency even with a gold backing; gold backing just makes it a little harder.

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 No.104120

The nonlarping parts of the left know well.

Most of the lolbertarians could do… better than this thread.

Reddit spacing (greaterthan) reddit thread. D00d

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 No.104360

>Supporters of the gold standard think that some sort of gold value peg prevents governments from adjusting its value, when in fact, government would periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>government would periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>adjust the value of gold

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 No.104344 [Open Thread]

It's not enough to rid Europe of niggers. If you believe in ANY form of "based" socialism, you either have nigger-tier intellect, or you're a mentally ill loser who feels no shame surviving by parasitizing off of the rest of his people. When we take power, we will cleanse you along with your subhuman brethren.

In the bright ancap future, the African continent will be a proving grounds to which we send our young to hunt less evolved beings as a rites of passage. This important process of natural selection is to ensure genetic hygiene, so that our "good times" will not create "weak men" that are offended and intimidated by property, markets, and competition.

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 No.103630 [Open Thread]

what is the difference between capitalism and free market? in free market there is no big business and skyscrapers?

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 No.103749

>>103662

but there are leftists who are pro-free-market right?

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 No.103751

>>103749

A couple, ostensibly. But all of them that I've seen either want a market that is slightly less than free (e.g., market anarchists who define certain voluntary interactions as coercive), or are ignorant as to the market's implications (e.g., libertines under the impression their actions won't have consequences). The free market is, if you understand its implications, fundamentally a right wing ideal.

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 No.103846

>>103671

what is the difference according to lefties?

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 No.103899

>>103846

Capitalism big bad, grrrr

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 No.104273

>>103846

For mainstream lefties, it's not a difference in definition but in usage. "Capitalism" invokes images of capitalists, the greedy moneygrubbers who get fat at the expense of the poor, oppressed working class. For less mainstream lefties, there are certain groups who see a distinction, such as the market anarchists and mutualists. Such types will usually say that interest rates and capital accumulation are "capitalist" and wrong, but other sorts of exchange are fine because they aren't exploitive. This is also the where the you start seeing arbitrary distinctions between "private property" and "personal property," with the former being capitalist and the latter not.

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