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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.103642

The most relevant question.

Given libertarianism is true (defined: the state needs to be drastically rolled back or abolished), what should the average Western man do what's he's persuaded?

Here's the basic categories of options. There is overlap:

>Sequester yourself from the state, reject involvement in state government system on principle. Don't vote.

>Plan for overthrow in your lifetime.

>Engage in system politics, vote for libertarian policies to be incremented.

>Blackpill: give up.

I believe option 3 is the most practical and mature. Here is why:

Take the most urgent case of abortion. Babies are being murdered and there's no end in sight. In latest development, a (medically) retarded mother in the UK is being forced to have an abortion against her and her own caretaker mother's wishes, because the female judge decided she knows better than them.

Given that the state exists so a consensual system of preventing abortion is unenforceable, it is not a compromise for me as a libertarian to argue for state persecution of abortionists. By supporting anti-abortion legislation I am not agreeing that this is the way it ought to be.

Same for immigration and border control. My striving for no more non-white immigration and a higher border defense budget does not mean I consent to the existence of the state.

At the same time as I'm lobbying for these basic requirements of a society to be in place by the state, I'm advocating for less and less state intrusion everywhere else. I can also prepare my family for a financial collapse, and join a preparatory revolutionary outfit.

Please, help me refine my outlook.

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 No.103644

>>103642

What should the average Western man do *when he's persuaded.

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 No.103649

>>103642

I agree with you in some respects (politically active libertarians should use legislative and judicial means to achieve change in a relatively peaceful manner). On the subject of abortion, given a libertarian view of natural rights, it would be more consistent at least for the life of a baby to be afforded the same protection under the law as any other human being.

However, in terms of immigration/border defense, I think it would be unwise to try to correct the ill effects of government policy by adding more policy on top of it. We should strive to simplify and increase consistency rather than increase complexity, and this means we ought to attack the government policies which fuel the existence of an "immigration crisis" in the first place–the "immigration" part and the "crisis" part: Welfare programs creating malinvestment by giving immigrants false incentives to migrate to Western nations. Governments should not be subsidizing the flow of immigrants into a nation; if they come here, they ought to feed and clothe themselves with their own money and labor. Military intervention forcing many out of their home countries. The "War on Drugs" precluding the production and consumption of drugs by safe, legal means and ultimately leading to the rise of violent cartels. Minimum wage, "bottlenecker" licensure programs intended to minimize competition, and other restrictive regulations that place an artifically high price on local labor, causing many businesses to resort to either automation or illegal labor, or simply outsource.

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 No.103680

I think doing activism in the legislature and judiciary helps but I think it acts like a stop gap. Agorism could complement it to build a long term free society while the legislature work buys breathing room for the agorists.

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