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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.94468 [Open thread]

Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

<Will a surgeon earn the same as a teacher or a trashman, what about other "public servantsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.94663

>>94654

>if I want

That. It can be both civnat and ethnat.

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 No.94683

>>94651

I think anyone who says "never been tried" should probably be shot. It's a tired, tired phrase and clearly it's lived long enough to be entirely misapplied.

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 No.95315

>>94534

I think you aren't aware of the labour value of theory

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 No.95532

>>95315

>>94534

>>94519

we did it, reddit

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 No.100995

Bump, because the left cannot shut up about Dickstabbed.

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 No.100941 [Open thread]

>communism doesn't wo-

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 No.100959

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>>100941

>Raised X and Increased Y

Compared to what? During WWI/II or during the pre-war years when the church was raising literacy rates exponentially/keeping the poor living longer via their religion-based hospitals? I'm willing to bet the former.

>Eliminated Unemployment

That tends to happen when society is built around "you will work or you will be shot."

>Healthcare

The USSR disbanded the church-run hospitals and hired a bunch of hacks to bolster those church-run numbers. Bog whoop.

>Literacy

So did the rest of the fucking industrialized world more or less. Turns out most of your population doesn't need to read when they're serfs. Who'da thunk it? Stalin also explicitly executed anyone incapable of reading, especially the blind, since they couldn't read his propaganda.

>Something something education

The alternative was boot camp, a gulag, or a job that made you wish you were in a gulag according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor.

>Something something daycare

It was mandatory because the Babushkas kept teaching their children the bible and a caretaker could more easily spy on one's family, again according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor who was a principle for a major Soviet-era high school in the Moscow region.

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 No.100975

Most of those were accomplished by the west when it invented industrialism, of course when USSR copied industrialism without having to discover anything by trial and error or go through any growing pains it would happen a bit faster. Also they received food aid from the west for their entire existence, China receives various investments and even dollar for dollar aid to this day, despite being the 2nd largest economy. Imagine if America received money from the UN, it's that ridiculous.

>wage gap

Although I'll admit capitalism never solved imaginary problems.

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 No.100977

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>>100941

>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?

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 No.100983

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

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 No.100993

>>100958

same in communist poland

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 No.99071 [Open thread]

Don't firms and individuals in a capitalist society have large incentives to rent-seek, in other words, isn't it the case that cronyism an endemic feature of capitalism?

If individuals with enough money can and have an incentive to use rent-seeking to get political favors, is that the real argument behind trying to force income equality? In other words, are proposals for income equality because of a more positive institutional arrangement than a direct moral argument?

Related Link:

http://files.libertyfund.org/econtalk/y2019/Mungercrony.mp3

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 No.100945

>>100939

But it also explains why leftists are so obsessed with income inequality. If you come from the point of view of already existing in a society with a government, then buy the critiques against capitalism which make a lot of sense in that system, then an alternative approach to cracking down on rent-seeking is instead to eliminate the differential financial advantage that certain individuals have in rent-seeking, which on an institutional level would involve combating income inequality. I'm not saying whether that's a good approach, but just how it's seemingly consistent from that worldview.

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 No.100956

>>100945

>if you come at the problem from the wrong direction, you only produce shitty solutions

Well, yes.

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 No.100987

>>99071

>Don't firms and individuals in a capitalist society have large incentives to rent-seek, in other words, isn't it the case that cronyism an endemic feature of capitalism?

In fact, no. It's not firms per se that rent-seek, it's interest groups. These groups will exist even in a perfectly socialistic system.

Some of the worst examples of rent-seeking you can find in Nazi Germany. I recommend The Vampire Economy if you want to learn about this in depth, or at least a few chapters from it, as the book is quite boring. Corporations were very heavily regulated, they could not import or export without permission, they had to fulfill quotas, managers and entrepreneurs lived in constant fear of being persecuted for accidentally breaking some law, they had members of staff whose sole purpose was to have cocktail parties with bureaucrats… interestingly, no capitalist really liked this state of affairs. Many wanted it at first, especially the banks, but they deeply regretted it a few years later.

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 No.100989

>>99128

For the love of God, just learn this already.

The reason we mock communists who say "not real communism" is because they a) have no standards for determining whether some state is communist or not, as aa) their standards, like "worker's ownership of the means of production" are nearly inoperable, and bb) they cannot even find any consensus on which standard they should adopt, and b) they regularly change their minds on which governments are and aren't socialistic. My favorite example is Venezuela. You had leftists praise this country for its policies, but they made a 180° turn once the first reports came of starving Venezuelans eating flamingoes, and then they pretended that this turn never happened once Venezuela reached a state of civil war. We were always at war with Eurasia, you know? Also, c) communist don't like to think of a spectrum running from capitalism to communism, a system is either communistic or it's capitalistic.

Meanwhile:

a) Every capitalist will agree that the more unregulated voluntary transactions and property dispositions are, the more capitalist a country is,

b) there is broad agreement over which countries are capitalistic and which aren't, with some disagreements on facts, but you at least don't have thirty sects of capitalists who disagree with each other and don't even acknowledge their differences,

c) we think of economic freedom as running on a spectrum, with the USSR on one end and Ancapistan on the other so that when we say "Chile wasn't REAL capitalism", we mean to say it wasn't the ideal type of a capitalist economy. We then usually go on to mention the features which weren't capitalistic and tell you why the economic calamities in question are the fault of the interventionist or socialist elements of the economy, not of the capitalist ones.

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 No.100990

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 No.100847 [Open thread]

liberland citizens please report in itt

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 No.100868

Quick rundown?

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 No.100967

Does it still exist?

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 No.100786 [Open thread]

recommended me some anti communist books besides the black book of Communism, Mises and Hayek,

and bloodlands

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 No.100799

1984

Time Will Run Back (although this one is admittedly kind of childish)

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 No.100810

>>100799

janusz korwin-mikke

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 No.100811

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this is all about how hollywood was infested with communist agents in the 30s-40s and how this isnt some right wing reactionary boogeyman. A really interesting story no one seems to know about

The Communist Party of America was taking order and money from the Kremlin in order to take control over hollywood and use it as a tool to create communist propaganda. They created unions that engaged not only in black balling certain actors or producers for not playing ball with them, they also used riots and strikes and physical violence to get their way, as well as using black propaganda. You know how everyone knows that Walt Disney was a raging antisemitic Hitler lover? Yeah, that was a rumor the communist unions made up about him after he opposed the cartoonist union.

If you've ever seen the movie "On the Waterfront" its all about this. Elia Kazan was initially on board with socialism, but he was disgusted at the corruption and censorship he saw and worked with the government to root out and call out the commies, something they hated him for. Much like how the story of the movie is about a dock worker reluctantly calling out a corrupt union boss. The hatred was to a point that even when he received his lifetime achievement award at the academy awards, there was a protest outside and even still a lot of people refused to stand for him and even booed him (Roman Polanski, a child rapist, received a standing ovation in contrast a few years later btw)

Heres the author of the book on cspan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-yGo4z7pU

and heres a really good video seperate of the book that razorfist made about the same topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOtinTlx7yo

TL;DR-communist took over hollywood in the 1930s-1940s

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 No.100839

>>100786

Anything by Robert Conquest or Solzhenitsyin, Rudolph Rummel, any literature on the Khmer Rouge, Yang Jishengs Tombstone, the political treatises of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Pictures of the Socialistic Commonwealth, and Matthew Whites Atrocitology. Those come to my mind right now.

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 No.100963

>>100811

Never thought I'd saw razorfist get mentioned here but his video was pretty good.

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 No.71900 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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 No.100951

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 No.101174

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BUMP

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 No.101352

>>98231

>>98251

>>98252

>>98286

>>98383

/liberty/ needs to make a board tan quik.

Also, waifu in the OP is from a /leftypol/ artist as far as I know.

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 No.101693

>>80623

>not selling them to minarchists and ancaps alike

>giving them away for free on a message board

tsk tsk tsk

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 No.102718

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 No.100858 [Open thread]

was ataturk homo and freemason?

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 No.100869

Fuck Lincoln. Someone should have shot him sooner.

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 No.100875

>>100858

Hitler actually loosened gun control laws. Except he took them from Jews

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 No.100882

<King George III wanted to take peoples guns

<Martin Luther King JR. was BASTE

<Abraham Lincoln didn't shred the constitution when he broke habeas corpus among other things.

cringe.

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 No.100887

>>100882

<King George III wanted to take peoples guns

it's true, though

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 No.100947

File: 4d52ab1b0da6ced⋯.mp4 (5.68 MB,854x480,427:240,A Crummy Ranking of the Cr….mp4)

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 No.100881 [Open thread]

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 No.100885

>>100881

I honestly wouldn't put too much stock in Donald Trump but this could be interesting if it actually evolves into something (Which it really seems like it won't as unfortunate as that may be).

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 No.100901

Why are most economists thrown off by the idea of reviving the gold standard?

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 No.100904

>>100901

Probably because it would embarass most of them if it worked, as the "wisdom" of a good deal of their teachers was that the gold standard was terribad, but also because from their perspective, it seems extremely wasteful. Warren Buffets old comment that aliens would think us crazy for digging out gold and burying it in a fortified compound, never to let anyone touch it, is a very convincing one if you do not understand monetary theory. Which, surprise surprise, the economists don't.

Also, don't forget that the state is practically addicted to inflationism. If you are an economist who is completely against it, you probably won't make it in any ministry, and that also means having less prestige as a professor.

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 No.100909

Let's see if anything comes out of it first.

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 No.100937

>>100881

I like the Trump presidency so far. He unironcically seems to be the only person in American politics who realizes actual threats to America like Chinas domination of the markets, or the fact that south american shitholes are taking advantage of America by manipulating soft hearted and dull witted liberals (reminder that the migrant caravans are all supported by the Honduran government) And all the major foreign policy concerns that people had about him were bullshit anyway. Mueller Report confirms that the Russian collusion conspiracy theory was just a retarded conspiracy theory the entire time, and his talk about other countries not paying into NATO which critics all said was him trying to destroy NATO just ended up making them pay into more, which made it even stronger.

I've yet to see any actual complete criticism of him that wasnt complete dogshit conspiracy trash.

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 No.97258 [Open thread]

are ashkenazi Jews on average more left-wing even when you control for variables other than jewishness?

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 No.100870

>>97258

considering you have nothing to back up your premise in the first place, Im going to say no

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 No.100873

>>100870

Lack of evidence presented does not prove or even suggest that a premise is false.

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 No.100900

>>100853

ashkenazi are majority among jews

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 No.100921

All jews are left-wing leaning parasites

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 No.100933

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 No.100905 [Open thread]

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 No.100920

>>100905

>Empirical Evidence

Sorry, not even going to bother watching, because the only empirical evidence I need is seeing everything that socialists, communists, and miscellaneous leftists touch turn to shit.

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 No.100924

>>100911

Oh, so NOW you care about theory.

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 No.100925

>>100920

You know what, go ahead and watch it, the "empirical evidence" is bad enough, and the other talking points are so fucking tired that it's worth the watch.

ALSO, it's Cockshott. AGAIN. How many threads do we have to have on that guy? It feels like we refute a paper of his once a week.

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 No.100929

>>100905

Please don't tell me this is the same fucking paper I had to skim two years ago. As >>100925 said, we refute this giganigger every other week.

If it's based on the paper, then I am pretty sure he got his results by making some pretty bad assumptions. He acknowledged that none of his data accurately correlated with labor time, but as one probably tended to be higher and one probably tended to be lower, he assumed that the average of these two would correlate perfectly. That's not just a very big assumption, it's also begging the question.

One thing I always notice is that no one is capable of so much as summarizing Cockshotts methods. It's like you're happy to have him on your side, but you don't actually read and understand him. Can't even blame you that much, as he's nearly unreadable.

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 No.100936

>>94468 was our previous Cockshott thread, FWIW.

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 No.100724 [Open thread]

ancap was created in minds in the 60s

political preferences stem from biology

so people with similar biology to ours were living 100 and 1000 years ago

i wonder what were they like, what were their political preferences

laozi comes to mind, do you know any others?

alco picrel

also Paul Emile de Puydt

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 No.100780

>>100779

There's very little sexual about it. Commie rhetoric about helping everyone appeals to their maternal instincts, and the free stuff they promise appeals to their desire to find a provider.

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 No.100813

>>100780

yes i agree

women are natural-born commies

this is why we should focus on females and not on jews or masons

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 No.100827

>>100755

It is our duty to become alpha chads so that we may protec our wamen from the commie menace.

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 No.100830

>>100827

>our women

are you slave-owner?

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 No.100912

>>100830

Women will be privatize.

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 No.100306 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Ruger an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are often forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.

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 No.100884

>>100878

>Want me to read it?

Look, you queer, no one "wants" you to read this. No one gives a shit if you adopt our views or not, it's not as if adding a room-temperature IQ bag of flesh to our ranks is going to provide us much benefit. If you want to "have a discussion," the onus is on you to make yourself literate enough to engage conversation. Part of that entails proving that you can engage in coherent argumentation, by which I mean something that occurs on a level above fallacious whataboutisms so depressingly common that people have compiled entire lists of them (http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies). People spam articles at you because their time can't be wasted answering questions that they've already answered a dozen times over, posed by a dozen different socialist retards, each of which thinks he's being original. By reading and absorbing the articles, you prove that you have the attention span to engage in your much-vaunted "discussion" on a level which does not waste our time. If you woud like to earn the privilege of a proper reply, prove that you are worthy of it.

>it’s something you put zero effort into.

Once again, you have thus far given no indication that you are worth the effort.

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 No.100889

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>>100884

>He responded again

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 No.100890

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>>100889

>still unable to read sources

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 No.100896

>>100722

>Please for the love of god stop just posting misses articles. At least post some green texts of highlights I’ve wasted so much time reading your guys garbage. Ill read this when i get a chance but put some effort into your posting especially if you expect me to take 30 mins out of my day to read your shit.

Well I did my best, but I think you're out of your depth intellectually here dude. This is like sophomore level econ. It makes sense now that you're a boomer republican. This entire response proves that you are a retard.

>>100708

This guy's right. Monopolies are not inherently negative unless they're artificially propped up by anti free market policies. The point is, any "monopoly" you might think of was artificially propped up by anti free market policies. In a free market, the organization that best serves the consumer wins; that's how competition works. Monopolies as you think of them only happen when the government intentionally suppresses competition so that there are fewer options in a market. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand, maybe try actually reading a book.

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 No.100903

>>100859

Oh, it's just an excerpt. I'd have been surprised if he would read even that, but hey, at least he cannot say we didn't help him out.

>>100878

>make me believe you read it, and its not in bad faith, With a nice long effort post to spice up discussion.

>I have a job and a girlfriend sperg boy! I cant read everything especially when it’s something you put zero effort into.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one here who has a life. That I do is the reason why I don't tend to make as many posts as I used to, especially because a lot of the time, it simply didn't pay off. I had a very cordial discussion with an anon once about the action-axiom, and he thanked me for making him understand it better. Months later, he claims I did not help him. Not to mention the dozens of times I dropped names, dates, statistics, and even sources in discussions, only for people to ignore them. So yes, I don't make a big effort for just anyone, not anymore.

Anyway now, here you go, the abbreviated version of Rothbards chapter, from my memory: Ancient Ireland had no political caste at all, no standing police or army, no law, and the kings only duty was to coordinate war efforts. He was commander in chief and that was it, he did nothing else, ever. Criminal punishments were fines, to be collected by private persons, and instead of courts, you had freelance jurists, who also held no political power. Their office, if you may call it so, was founded on custom and reputation. Despite all this, Ireland was doing quite well.

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 No.100815 [Open thread]

Wtf the Beatles were BASED?

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 No.100822

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Your name is either Scott, or you just came to hear about the Beatles. But anyways, yeah, back then they had a crazy high taxation rate on the wealthy, and Harrison just learned that he was part of that club all of a sudden. I don't think it's being based, I think it's part of a "Free gibs pls" thing.

Pay attention to the bass line@0:57 , it suddenly goes Blackbird. Speaking of Blackbird, it's a favorite of mine. Paul can play genius-tier bass lines.

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 No.100823

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Speaking of genius-tier bass: John Entwiste.

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 No.100834

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 No.100893

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Is this the /liberty/ music thread?

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 No.98279 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

"The Anglo is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an individualist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is …"

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 No.100448

>>100118

The Nazis weren't even Socialist, it's just a name. They were just fascists. The fact that so many Nazis on 8chan even claim they push socialism is, again, a sign of how fucking retarded poltards are.

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 No.100465

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>>100448

>fascists.

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 No.100469

>>100465

From your link:

>What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

Very good points, gold star for the memes as well lol.

The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist", but in reality that really just means it became more totalitarian.

I concede, sir :)

That being said, they're still fucking fascists as well in my book,they really take the "best of both worlds" of the left-right poltical spectrum it seems.

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 No.100850

>>99983

<it also does not help the Zionist agenda at all

It doesn't harm it either, in way it could actually help because it would make the economy more prosper and stable.

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 No.100857

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>>100469

>The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist"

What about Hitler himself? he frequently praised Stalin for his central-planning efforts, and some crazy regulatory shit happened under his economy.

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 No.87559 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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 No.93229

>>88195

Don’t feed the Jews

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 No.93239

>>87630

There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes. That doesn't mean they themselves aren't aware of it or do not conspire with each other. It's not a bunch of heebs in one room trying to figure out how to destroy the white race, but many jews are working exactly on that and more.

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 No.100851

>>93239

<There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes

>but it is disorganised

It almost like Jews have both lefties and right wingers like anyone else, but it's easier to blame outsiders than admit your own people are shit as well.

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 No.100855

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>>100851

There are three times as many left wing Jews as there are right wing ones. And almost all of the right-wing ones are interventionist neocons, who are honorary left-wingers.

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 No.100856

>>93239

Nice necro

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