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Ya'll need Mises.

File: e264b5b0403da67⋯.jpg (404.17 KB,1366x1000,683:500,age of ancap.jpg)

 No.91344 [Open Thread]

How do you think the gameplay of an ancap strategy game would ideally work?

For the story, I have two things in mind:

>1. You inherit a business empire, and have to get a monopoly on the whole market while trying to out-compete rival business groups and survive the growing power of the state as well as various anti-capitalist factions

>2. You are a multi-millionaire who is sick of liberal totalitarianism and leftism interfering with your life and the lives of your fellow countrymen, so you decide to take your fortune to some unoccupied territory and build a capitalist utopia with other like-minded businessmen while competing with their businesses, and fighting off aggressive states who are unhappy with the amount of freedom that you and your fellow ancaps (or not) enjoy

In ordinary RTSs, you just throw resources at the barracks to shit out soldiers, which go and secure more resources to enable you to shit out even more soldiers, and it's basically a contest between players of who can do this the fastest. No game (not even city-sims) ever takes the market into account, where you have:

>a realistic economy

>citizens having their own lives

>citizens having their own wants and needs

>citizens earning their own money

>citizens spending their own money

>citizens building the villages, towns and cities that you're supposedly trying to protect, and being responsible for all the progress in their part of the game world

>the player being a citizen like everyone else, who can take part in the market and influence it with what power he has (or if playing as the government, having society react appropriately to government laws/actions and looking work solutions and work-arounds to the problems that government creates)

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 No.101091

File: 7e824b4dd235220⋯.jpg (187.59 KB,1280x720,16:9,endlesstrash.jpg)

>>101090

>Zoomercore games

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 No.101244

>>91344

pass on every opportunity to expand while other power maneuver themselves into superior positions

then ask your citizen if they would voluntarily stop for communist subversion destroying your culture and society

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 No.101280

File: da95c961cb20056⋯.jpg (5.81 MB,5815x2963,5815:2963,1521396149702328765.jpg)

>>101090

mark games you played

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 No.101295

File: b70b228e347d38c⋯.jpg (11.69 MB,5815x2963,5815:2963,vidya.jpg)

>>101280

The blue stars are for games I played and the green stars are games I finished.

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 No.101304

>>101244

Are capitalists hyper-exploitative or are they short-sighted and incapable of reacting to issues in real time? You boot-lickers really need to make up your mind.

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File: 7993ea10bcd5f2c⋯.jpg (70.8 KB,453x399,151:133,Capture.JPG)

 No.101206 [Open Thread]

Ebola Outbreak Map.Com

http://www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com/

April 14, 2019

A migrant arrived sick vomiting blood with a high fever, the migrant arrived at the local airport from an international flight.

CDC officals boarded the plane and took the migrant off, while giving passengers forms to fill out to submit to CDC.

Passengers were given phone numbers to call in to report ebola virus symptoms for the next 21 days the incubation period for Ebola virus.

http://www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com/

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 No.101209

GOOD LUCK EBOLA-CHAN!

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 No.101230

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 No.101232

>>101230

https is really only necessary in websites with sensitive user input.

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 No.101282

GOOD LUCK EBOLA-CHAN

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File: 06c5971ad07e56f⋯.jpg (103.36 KB,1920x1080,16:9,Travelers.2016.S02E02.Prot….jpg)

 No.95855 [Open Thread]

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the liberty of those who don't want it?

In the end a decently informed libertarian knows more about socialism than socialists themselves, but unlike socialists he also knows about capitalism too. This means that you, as a libertarian, can easily become a big defender and promoter of socialism.

Then with all those books/speaking/tv royalties/politics money, you can buy whatever you want, maybe even some land somewhere where you can build a libertarian utopia, if you still believe in it. But why buying land? You could just use your influence in the State to wage war and conquer lands for yourself. Or buy some cocaine and some prostitutes, who cares? Just enjoy the fruit of those cucks who want you to rule over them.

Honestly, it's a complete waste of time trying to let people know about the advantages and the morality of liberty. These people refuse liberty for themselves and others. Marx and associates gave us an exceptional tool to pilot the masses to work for our personal interests. Voluntary slavery. Think about it: if you were to cause suffering among the people with your socialist policies, it would be their choice. You would basically make socialist suffer while you run all the way to the (swiss) bank with their money. It's them who decided to vote for you, after you promised to put their neighboors down in order to make them all equal. They wanted evil, you just capitalized on it.

Of course there will be some innocent victims, but who really cares? It's nothing compared to the enormous amount of statists that will suffer. You will make them poor slowly, day after day. A taste of their own medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna join the local social-democratic party today.

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 No.101217

>>95917

I don't. Only humans should have freedom, normalfags can't even make use of it.

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 No.101225

>>101217

I agree with this sentiment. That's exactly why I advocate for infinite freedom. Normalfags will always find chains to bind them. The problem is when they find chains to bind you, too.

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 No.101250

>>101217

> normalfags can't even make use of it.

because they are not pedos like you?

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 No.101268

>>101250

wow you proved him right

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 No.101269

>>101225

problem is that right now there is no way to get to infinite freedom. The sanest course of action is to understand how the State works and try to pilot it to get closer to freedom.

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File: 5361aa65f5e87a1⋯.jpg (424.93 KB,1550x864,775:432,yang2020.jpg)

 No.99844 [Open Thread]

Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/human-capitalism/

>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/free-marriage-counseling/

I have no comment on this.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/modern-time-banking/

>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

> Donate aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.101168

>>101142

>How does any of these neuanced policies help us other than putting more power in the hands of the state?

>You've already established a new state sales tax on Amazon stuff that increases costs of goods. All new taxes go on the shoulder of consumers.

I think OP is making fun of Yang's policies, not supporting them.

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 No.101176

Where programs from the past this insane or is it a new and scary tendency?

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 No.101214

>>101176

I don't know. I mean, there are plenty of insane things in history, though. Like that time Caligula went to war with Poseidon.

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 No.101215

>>101176

Some socialist shit in the 20th century got pretty bad, but this insane level of government intervention is a comparatively new idea historically. The state didn't even exist as we know it until the 1600s, and even after that rulers were relatively hands-off compared to contemporary ones.

>>101214

> I mean, there are plenty of insane things in history, though. Like that time Caligula went to war with Poseidon.

That's largely an ahistorical legend, created by successive mistranslations. The original order was to tear down huts on the coast of Britain, which got misinterpreted as collecting seashells as trophies, due to the similarity in the word for seashell and the slang for the legion's portable huts. Then someone took collecting seashells as trophies to mean that Caligula was collecting war trophies from Neptune.

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 No.101220

File: 8107cab0284b0f9⋯.mp4 (2.44 MB,480x360,4:3,Yang2020.mp4)

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File: 278e8e8c1dcc62b⋯.png (288.81 KB,901x645,901:645,pewds.png)

 No.101207 [Open Thread]

Is he ancap?

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File: 1ed36079a1b5f7e⋯.jpg (177.46 KB,1024x768,4:3,1470124184588151269.jpg)

 No.101201 [Open Thread]

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 No.101205

>>101201

Just glancing at the table of contents…

There's not very much surprising here. Members of different groups tend to act with an in-group preference towards that group. Different groups have different characteristics imparted onto them by biology. These aren't earth-shattering facts, and they have no unilateral implications where policy is concerned.

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File: 5709e063eb91a47⋯.png (834.9 KB,1760x720,22:9,ClipboardImage.png)

 No.101170 [Open Thread]

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File: 47609c2bfc621de⋯.jpg (192.71 KB,710x577,710:577,44443TN 364.PMG.jpg)

 No.100784 [Open Thread]

Hai fren! I made a new tor board called VileChan, please come over because it would make ver me happy.

http://hvjgdbwgmn4iu4yxkc4gxxclskxigh5oz52uot3ltqijb76wxjdnxpyd.onion/

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 No.101153

>>100784

The link goes nowhere OP

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 No.101154

>>101153

Can't say I've tested the link but you should try using the onion router, as that's what it's meant for. That is unless you tried that and it just didn't work out, in which case wew lads.

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 No.101155

>>101154

damn, im glad you explained what tor meant to people here.

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 No.101159

File: 889a02e40e6677c⋯.jpg (109.5 KB,918x804,153:134,peacin.jpg)

>>101155

You betcha fren

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File: 44dbf27ca9c9edb⋯.jpg (80.94 KB,1024x416,32:13,xcaxw5p6klc21.jpg)

 No.101093 [Open Thread]

Recently I've decided to widen my horizons and see what lalala-libertarians and other cucks are up to in my country, and they are really fucking cucked beyond belief.

I'm talking about people supporting filtering the web, censoring "fake news", unlimited migration, feminism and other degeneracies. And these are not just some young guys on the internet but people with a following, even older people who have been screwed by the State and the same mechanism they support (censorship).

At this point I say fuck them. What's even the point of supporting liberty if even those who supposedly support liberty are anti-liberty?

This battle has already been lost. I need a way to get out, psychologically, and put my efforts in other things.

The truth is that I feel powerless, so I don't want to just not associate myself with liberty, I want to become powerful and influence the world towards less liberty just for my gain.

Sorry for blogposting, I'm sure some of you may have been in a similar situation before

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 No.101094

File: 15292b2b7593031⋯.png (1.8 MB,1920x1080,16:9,ape to ape transformation.png)

>>101093

>The truth is that I feel powerless, so I don't want to just not associate myself with liberty, I want to become powerful and influence the world towards less liberty just for my gain.

And join the dark side, the side of trannies fucking themselves in the ass with a ten inch dildo just for fun, all subsidized by the tax payer? In that case, you deserve to feel as hopeless as you do. Have you considered that? Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, faggots who want to join the tyrants don't deserve to live in a libertarian paradise in the first place?

Let me tell you something, anon: You are probably an alright guy, who has busied himself with politics for far too long. I see that time and time again, more often than I used to, and it's beginning to annoy me, big time. Just take up a fucking hobby and go to Church on Sundays, then watch a show and forget all about political analysis as you do so. Find a girl you love, and make plans to have wonderful children, for the sake of it, not to "uphold your race" or win some demographic war, just because you like the idea of going to playgrounds with your children and watching them laugh. Then you will gain both a newfound appreciation for doing good, because you don't want a world that poisons your children, and you will also begin to look at things once again without your political glasses on. The political order may be shit, but the entire point of libertarianism is that the political order is not everything. You have a life, anon. Don't waste it being gloomy about election results like a faggot. Leave that to the left.

Pic unrelated but my contract dictates I must use it.

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 No.101095

>>101094

you're right, if I wasn't completely unsatisfied with my life I wouldn't even care about politics. After all I started caring only when I became unsatisfied.

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 No.101097

File: a00be29ce453d06⋯.gif (1.43 MB,320x240,4:3,thumbsupcomputerkid.gif)

>>101095

Got you buddy. As I said, do something more fun and uplifting for a bit, lift your spirits up, then go back to the politics. The world is actually a very nice place to live in, we have flowers and shit and lots of kind people, even with all the trannies and antifa around. Do it for the flowers and for Beppo, the kind janitor. Don't let them down.

Also, yes, I can actually be that sappy. Love myself some damn flowers.

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 No.101105

File: 481f49fc81d1148⋯.jpg (301.69 KB,1024x676,256:169,1554766895.jpg)

>>101095

The other faggot is right. Take a break for a while, or find a creative outlet, if all you do is consume politics all day while being powerless to change anything yourself, you're setting yourself up for depression. The political situation in your country can radically change for the better like it changed in mine, so don't assume it's all fucked just yet, maybe everyone is just waiting for a hero who's not afraid to put himself out there and call out the hypocrites, maybe you could become that hero.

Now having said that, get the fuck outta with your blackpill bullshit and come back when you don't sound like a bitch, I will not help you indulge in negativity, and I'm ashamed to post on the same board with such hopeless fucking pussies.

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 No.100848 [Open Thread]

What point distinctively separates a duel from a physical altercation in AnCapistan? If someone waves a gun at you/calls you a faggot and you proceed to pull out your own gun and tell then to back off, is it self defense against an NAP violation or is it escalating the situation and providing consent to a fight? What if the whole neighborhood insists you agreed to a duel but you only did so because you were coerced into accepting it?

tl;dr- At what point does it stop being an NAP violation and start becoming you being a little bitch in a consensual beat down when someone riles you up/picks a fight with you?

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 No.101053

>>100961

There's a pretty clear-cut difference between defending yourself from aggression in the present and initiating aggression against someone who has wronged you in the past. I'm not saying that vigilante justice is morally wrong, mind you, but it is a NAP violation.

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 No.101054

File: 21e457f7a3c4845⋯.jpg (72.05 KB,598x792,299:396,1514477945235.jpg)

A threat of violence is a NAP violation. Just like in the US right now, you have full authority to act first to shoot a thug pointing a gun at you. Also just like right now, an investigation would be held to determine if the force was justified. The difference is that the investigative body isn't a state monopoly.

>>100849

>>100877

>>100898

(You)

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 No.101068

>>101054

You're missing the deeper meaning. It's not about whether it is an NAP violation or not, but what variable allows someone to ignore the NAP violation. Clearly ignoring it implies either…

>A) The individual does not recognize it as an NAP violation

>B) The individual recognizes it as an NAP violation but allows it anyways

If A, one can ask "why is it not?" If B, the important question is which variable is making the individual ignore a clear violation of the NAP? Did the guy have it coming? Is it retribution? Is society filled with people who hate the NAP and don't follow it? (If the latter, they must have some system of morality/ethics otherwise society would cease to exist, but in AnCapistan, why WOULD they have a competing set of ethics/how did it survive to let it flourish in society while also allowing a flourishing society?)

These are the important questions, anon.

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 No.101080

>>100848

A duel implies both parties consented to the duel. Like in olden days, one man would challenge another man to a duel. If the other accepted than the duel is on. But if the other refused than the initiator cannot take further action. He gets the satisfaction of making the other man look like a coward, but at the end of the day no one gets killed or wounded.

If the duel is refused and the initiator gets butthurt and attacks the other man anyway, than he violates the NAP.

>what if he waves a gun in you face?

Than that can be perceived as a clear and present threat and violates the NAP. The only reason anyone should ever pull out a gun is if he intends to use it right then and there.

>what if he calls you a fag?

Than he calls you a fag. It may hurt your feelings for a bit, but I wouldn't call it an NAP violation. Sometimes you have to put your pride aside and be the bigger person in situations like that and walk away. If you want to make a duel out of it you can, but it makes you look petty.

I hope this helps.

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 No.101088

>>101053

why is vigilante justice a nap violation? is institutional justice a nap violation too then?

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 No.100761 [Open Thread]

Fucking hamsters will live in ancap utopia before humans.

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 No.101026

>>101015

>/r9gay/

Haven't been there since 2015

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 No.101043

>>101026

Yet I still remember that post you made, about giant guinea pigs

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 No.101046

File: 93bcb8df30367ed⋯.jpg (58.76 KB,700x477,700:477,64.jpg)

>>101043

Ahhhhhhhhhh, hold on motherfucker… this takes me back! Are you talking about that one "unusual pets" thread they had? Damn, you have great memory.

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 No.101083

File: e8c9db08ed0ebbd⋯.jpg (129.99 KB,1280x960,4:3,intellectual capivara rea….jpg)

>>101046

>why do you like capivaras?

>they are like giant guinea pigs, only a faggot wouldn't want a giant guinea pig

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 No.101086

>>101046

what the fuck is it doing?

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File: 584f896519435cb⋯.jpg (184.51 KB,724x483,724:483,Bribery.jpg)

 No.101008 [Open Thread]

Should bribing be legal in a free market? Epic Games is trying to cut into Steam's market share by paying off game developers to make games like Borderlands 3 exclusive to the Epic Games Store.

https://youtu.be/zU16Kysvalw

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 No.101042

>>101029

I'm so sorry, who is forcing you to buy video games?

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 No.101044

>>101008

I don't see the problem either, sorry. For the customers, it isn't optimal, yes, but the customer doesn't matter more than anyone else. As a customer, I want games to be free and distributed on whatever platform I like, and I don't care about how much that will cost anyone else. Customers, like every other actor on the market, are selfish, insofar as they are customers. Therefore, as customers, they don't have any moral highground. That something is not optimal for the customer is no argument that it is wrong. The game developer and the publisher both seem to profit from their exclusive deals, and why shouldn't they? They put the work in. The game developer spent hundreds or thousands of hours creating the game, and the publisher has to maintain servers, quality control, and all the like. Both would like assured profits for their trouble, and who am I to say they shouldn't have them? My own whims are no more legitimate than their whims.

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 No.101057

>>101008

it does not break the nap

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 No.101070

>>101013

Sony did the same to Square-Enix (look how long it took for an FF7 pc port) and Sega for their own console, yet there were still competitors to both.

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 No.101079

>>101008

Paying a game developer to make a game exclusively for your platform isn't bribery, it's smart business. Microsoft and Sony pay game devs to make console exclusives all the time.

Bribery would be more fitting if a corporation makes a heavy donation to some politician's foundation and in return the politician make policy that favors said company exclusively.

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 No.98475

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 No.98998

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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 No.100814

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 No.100980

Auchwitch was a jewish death camp where jews raped and murdered palestinians.

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 No.100998

>>100980

go home you are drunk

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 No.94468 [Open Thread]

Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

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 No.94663

>>94654

>if I want

That. It can be both civnat and ethnat.

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 No.94683

>>94651

I think anyone who says "never been tried" should probably be shot. It's a tired, tired phrase and clearly it's lived long enough to be entirely misapplied.

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>>94534

I think you aren't aware of the labour value of theory

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>>95315

>>94534

>>94519

we did it, reddit

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 No.100995

Bump, because the left cannot shut up about Dickstabbed.

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 No.100941 [Open Thread]

>communism doesn't wo-

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>>100941

>Raised X and Increased Y

Compared to what? During WWI/II or during the pre-war years when the church was raising literacy rates exponentially/keeping the poor living longer via their religion-based hospitals? I'm willing to bet the former.

>Eliminated Unemployment

That tends to happen when society is built around "you will work or you will be shot."

>Healthcare

The USSR disbanded the church-run hospitals and hired a bunch of hacks to bolster those church-run numbers. Bog whoop.

>Literacy

So did the rest of the fucking industrialized world more or less. Turns out most of your population doesn't need to read when they're serfs. Who'da thunk it? Stalin also explicitly executed anyone incapable of reading, especially the blind, since they couldn't read his propaganda.

>Something something education

The alternative was boot camp, a gulag, or a job that made you wish you were in a gulag according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor.

>Something something daycare

It was mandatory because the Babushkas kept teaching their children the bible and a caretaker could more easily spy on one's family, again according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor who was a principle for a major Soviet-era high school in the Moscow region.

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 No.100975

Most of those were accomplished by the west when it invented industrialism, of course when USSR copied industrialism without having to discover anything by trial and error or go through any growing pains it would happen a bit faster. Also they received food aid from the west for their entire existence, China receives various investments and even dollar for dollar aid to this day, despite being the 2nd largest economy. Imagine if America received money from the UN, it's that ridiculous.

>wage gap

Although I'll admit capitalism never solved imaginary problems.

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>>100941

>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?

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 No.100983

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

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 No.100993

>>100958

same in communist poland

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