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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.105715 [Open Thread]

I think the Prince has a lot of wonderful ideas, but I think he is placing too much reliance upon the democratic notions of his people. Perhaps it is easier to do with a homogeneous population of 35,000. I would absolutely love to see Hoppe and the Prince get together for talk.

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 No.105734

Pretty good video. Wish gun control was not shoved down their throat by the EU.

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 No.105737

>>105734

Are Swiss gun laws just a meme or are they on par with the US?

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 No.105743

>>105737

Both real and meme from what I understand. I think to have free trade they needed to implement some EU gun laws that were more restrictive. However if you are in the army you get free guns and ammo but I think it is still stricter than the US.

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 No.105679 [Open Thread]

Bitcoin: The End of Money as We Know It

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 No.105742

The most valuable thing to come out of this technology is not cryptocurrency, but the blockchain. The blockchain has the tremendous ability to bring about greater liberty.

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 No.101595 [Open Thread]

I would like to bring to your attention the direction in which the Monarchist/Neo-Reactionary movement is going: anti-capitalism. What's interesting here is that they criticize what they perceive as failures of capitalism from a coherently right-wing authoritarian position, rather than from typical Marxism.

The latest installment of this phenomenon is the rise of Carlylean Restorationist, who has been a very frequent and prolific blogger on Jim's and Spandrell's blogs (you don't have to know who these people are) before launching his own blog:

https://chromium.fashion.blog/

(It's not about fashion, kek)

What is interesting here is that he collects and articulates the anti-capitalist, pro-statist viewpoints of fellow Neo-Reactionaries, and does so in quite compelling a manner. So, at any rate, I'd suggest that some folks who browse this /liberty/ board look into CR's blog and see if they are convinced by what he's put forth.

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 No.105719

>>101595

>anti-capitalist

The neo-reactionaries fall for the rhetoric of their ideological enemies. Capitalism is a misnomer created by Marxists. The accumulation of capital has been with human society since practically the beginning. Definitely well before the industrial revolution. It is simply part of the natural way humans interact with each other. Many of these neo-reactionaries are really just tradcath monarchists that want distributionism to be the primary form of the economy, thinking somehow it will be more moral and just. Yet distributionism is just an ideal, they can never explain the transitory stage. Because to do so they would have to admit that they are pseudo-socialists and would have to redistribute land, making them in turn their own ideological enemies.

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 No.105724

>>101625

Last I heard he was shilling Yang. Acceleration sm or something idk.

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 No.105731

>>105719

Could someone explain distributionism and how it contrasts with free-market capitalism?

I've heard the term "distributism" once before, is that the same thing?

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 No.105732

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I think this Albert Jay Nock quote is pretty relevant to this issue. We can all agree that modern Libertarianism has devolved into “small d” democrats appealing to mass democracy and feel-good politics. However our origins (Libertarianism from the Old Right) understood the dangers of mass-democracy and the mob. We are for the individual, not the sea of retards that wish majority rule to stamp out dissenters.

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 No.105736

>>105731

>distributionism

Just a typo. I am not Catholic and so I don't have the best grasp on it, but below is a link for an old article that Tom Woods wrote as a critique against distributism. As you probably know, Tom Woods is a tradcath as is Anthony Flood who is also against distributism. In my opinion, it seems rather shallow and more of an ideal to be placed upon the free-market. Distributism seems to assume that the free-market is inherently immoral and thus there must be some degree of control upon it to make it more moral. If businesses are limited to some degree of size like mom & pop stores and everyone gets some land to apply their labor for their own production, this makes it more just than letting the free-market unwind organically. I think it even advocates for trade unions or some form of return to the guild system. Distributists, as well as other critics of the supposed immorality of capitalism, always fail to point out exactly what stage in the growth of a business a moral business owner loses his morals and becomes a greedy immoral business owner.

https://mises.org/library/whats-wrong-distributism

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 No.105733 [Open Thread]

I know some people may be sketched out by Heidegger or Nietzsche due to connections to Nazism, but it seems like both have a lot to say about individualism outside the political context. I really like Nietzsche overall, and with Heidegger I like how he talked about the individual and their various contexts and freeing one's self from all those contexts. What do you think on individualism as a lifestyle not just a political statement?

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 No.105725 [Open Thread]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/doug-casey/doug-casey-on-why-this-election-could-be-the-most-important-since-the-us-civil-war/

"The election will be contested no matter which side wins because the country has become totally polarized. No matter who wins, the other side is going to be terminally unhappy with the result.

This election is undoubtedly the most important one since 1860. The outcome of that was the War Between the States.

The Democrats really want to change the very nature of the US. If they win, they’ll be able to do so, for several reasons. First, it seems almost certain that they’ll make Washington, DC, a state; there will then be 102 senators voting—and those two from Washington, DC, will without question be left-leaning Democrats. Second, the 20 million undocumented people—illegal aliens—now in the US will undoubtedly be made citizens; they lean heavily toward the Democrats. Third, they’ll expand the size of the Supreme Court and pack it with leftists.

There could be more, of course. Perhaps they’ll probably reduce the voting age to 16; it’s already the case in Argentina and a growing number of other countries. Maybe they’ll even engineer a Constitutional Convention to change everything. The 2nd Amendment will go, of course, and the rest of the Bill of Rights would be heavily modified. Most of it’s already a dead letter—but that would formalize the change once and for all.

These things would cement the Democrats in office. But please don’t think I support the Republicans. That would be like supporting tuberculosis just because it’s better than terminal cancer.

It used to be pretty simple—the Republicans and the Democrats were just two sides of the same coin. Like Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Traditionally, one promoted the warfare state more, the other the welfare state. But it was mostly rhetoric; they were pretty collegial. Now, both the welfare and the warfare states have been accepted as partPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.105727

>>105725

Would not disagree. However language wise I would call them special zones vs becoming states as outright secession would not likely work at the ballot box. Try to get states to be more like Puerto Rico in governance.

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 No.105602 [Open Thread]

Dr. Jo Jorgensen is the 2020 Libertarian Party nominee for President

>Slash federal spending

>Block all new federal borrowing

>Eliminate the Dept of Education

>Eliminate the ATF

>Opt out option for Social Security

>Deregulate energy, pro-nuclear

>Deregulate health industry, compromise medial-industrial complex

>Anti-War: Turn America in to one giant Switzerland: Armed and Neutral

/ourgirl/

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 No.105703

>>105702

*Seems

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 No.105705

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>>105614

Makes me support her even more.

“What human has the right to remain, unbidden, as an unwanted parasite within some other human being’s body? This is the nub of the issue: the absolute right of every person and hence every woman, to the ownership of her own body. What the mother is doing in an abortion is causing an unwanted entity within her body to be ejected from it: If the fetus dies, this does not rebut the point that no being has a right to live, unbidden, as a parasite within or upon some person’s body.”- Rothbard

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 No.105706

>>105705

If you really believe this, then in order to be consistent you'd have to give mothers the choice to abandon their babies to die of exposure.

And I don't know why he's equating unborn children with parasites when it's completely irrelevant to his argument. Babies are parasites as well in that they take in fluids from the mother's body and are completely reliant on the mother for survival.

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 No.105708

>>105705

This is why libertarianism needs a Christian moral foundation

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 No.105710

>>105708

I agree. Isn't the NAP just a reiteration of the Golden Rule, plus the commandments not to kill and not to steal?

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 No.103584 [Open Thread]

Google whistle blower shares the following

>Insider: Google "is bent on never letting somebody like Donald Trump come to power again."

>Google Exec Says Don't Break Us Up: "smaller companies don't have the resources" to "prevent next Trump situation"

>Google Head of Responsible Innovation Says Elizabeth Warren "misguided" on "breaking up Google"

>Insider Says PragerU And Dave Rubin Content Suppressed, Targeted As "Right-Wing"

>LEAKED Documents Highlight "Machine Learning Fairness" and Google’s Practices to Make Search Results "fair and equitable"

>Documents Appear to Show "Editorial" Policies That Determine How Google Publishes News

>Insider: Google Violates "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" on Section 230

Video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

Btw, this video was deleted from their channel on youtube (owned by google) obviously

The full interview:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NMTqpbpJ94ap/

Ancaps will defend this

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 No.103763

>>103756

Point to one post in this thread, any post, that depicts Google in a positive light.

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 No.103766

>>103756

>concocting retarded conspiracy theories

Such as?

>Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way, and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.

Why won't this strawman end? No one is exonerating google for their obvious abuse of power but it is myopic to solely blame google when the state facilitates such abuse through the incentive system known as corporate welfare.

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 No.105694

>>103756

>Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way

It's not "their way". They are constantly threatened into it by normies, by NGOs, by police, by courts and by all sorts of governments around the world. It's like saying that chans want to ban child porn, homosexuality and terrorism. They don't. They do it to survive. The world is still pretty much the dictatorship of a normie. Now perhaps more than ever.

>and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

>>103763

>Point to one post in this thread, any post, that depicts Google in a positive light.

Posting one just now.

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 No.105695

Why do people always try to equate ancap with corporatism? If a corporation violates the NAP by, say, extorting people who use ideas that they claim they "own" (you can't own things that immune to scarcity) then they are just as unjust as a government that extorts people through taxation.

That's the beauty of anarcho-capitalism. The moral foundation stands on its own, completely apart from the politics of the parties who partake of it.

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 No.105696

>>105695

It is the same people that claim capitalism is inherently immoral and that it inevitably leads to greedy overlords. Of course these are the same people that can never provide an answer to where exactly a moral business owner loses his morals in the growth of his business.

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 No.105689 [Open Thread]

They are coming for your body armor now.

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 No.105536 [Open Thread]

Have you always been a libertarian?

My family is all on the right, I only moved from thinking the republican party were the good guys to realizing it's a false pretense. I think I was always a libertarian from my dad.

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 No.105541

My dad was conservative when I was young. I became a Nazi and then a libertarian. My dad transitioned into believing in global corruption. Seems like a pretty natural course. I can't picture anybody truly understanding conservatism and then transitioning into a leftist.

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 No.105686

I came from a both liberal household. My Father's a Jew and my Mom was an atheist. Their philosophy started to feel gross and didn't make any real sense so I became almost an alt righter, that seemed retarded as well and didnt find any political leaning until I found Libertarianism and became a Christian.

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 No.105688

Came from semi-conservative family, began to lean liberal in college. Tilted toward big (L)ibertarian because 'muh weed' after college, realized the party was silly and left. Now I mostly would consider myself paleolibertarian.

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 No.105684 [Open Thread]

Welcome to CLAT (Chinook Land Autonomous Territory)!

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 No.105646 [Open Thread]

We The People are calling bullshit on the political charade.

Biden? Trump?

The Emperor wears no clothes and our Emperor is the Two Party System Duopoly.

The need for leadership has never been greater. Yet, the parties have never offered less.

The First American Revolution overthrew the tyrannical British Crown.

The Second American Revolution will overthrow the Two Party Tyranny.

Together we will write the next chapter in American history.

The Revolution Starts Now 🕳️🐇

www.liberate.us

- We

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 No.105659

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>>105646

>Together we will write the next chapter in American history.

ANARCHO-MONARCHISM NOW!!!

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 No.105670

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>>105659

Going off the assumption of Washington accepting the crown, we know who would be King today.

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 No.105682

Take the redcoat pill, mates!

http://www.redcoat.me.uk/

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 No.105647 [Open Thread]

Joy is what sustains us.

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 No.105681

>>105647

If you learn a trade and work for yourself, you will most likely feel far more rewarded and be sustained by joy. Don't fall for the gotta go to college to be intellectual meme.

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 No.105680 [Open Thread]

Please, if you haven't do so already, sign this petition to abolish the Federal Reserve.

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-abolish-the-federal-reserve

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 No.105241 [Open Thread]

Occupational licensure is why I believe the whole "First we have to win the battle of ideas" will never succeed. The vast majority of people I meet at least agree that the licensing requirements are far too strict, and I've been met with nearly unanimous approval that "hair salon" licensing is bullshit and needs to be done away with unilaterally–yet it continues to exist. If I ever want to get depressed and think about how little a future I will ever have, I just think about occupational licensing laws.

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 No.105260

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>>105254

>>105259

Honestly, keep advertising your board so all the low-quality shitposting ancaps can leave. Just don't namefag and I won't care.

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 No.105261

>>105260

I'm not the guy with the board (what board?)

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 No.105265

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>>105261

Glad you asked!

>>>/holo/

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 No.105269

>>105243

I want to agree with your statement, but jesus fuck that video man. I'd almost rather you posted horrible goreshit.

>>105253

I love the irony of you complaining about someone using namefagging to shill for a board and how it doesn't work, and while you're doing so >>105261 appears.

>>105250

I'm not sure that's what you were getting at? It seems like libertarian political strategies are as follows:

1 - Purely ideological. Stay consistent and make coalitions, never compromise. Democracy through the rest of the populace will carry us. This seems to be Ron Paul's approach. This seems to be how the Corn Laws got repealed.

2 - Libertarian Fabianism. We need to take whatever amount more of liberty we can. This appears to be Saakashvili's approach and what Rothbard explicitly argued against.

3 - It's not a NAP violation if it's a tax revolt. Basically, what the Founding Fathers of the U.S. did.

4 - Doomer Libertarianism. The collapse is coming, just be ready to fill the void when it happens. What >>105249 and https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/07/atilla-mert-sulker/waiting-for-the-collapse-a-liberty-renaissance/ are about . Counterargument is pointing to Venezuela, Zimbabwe, or Russia.

5 - Browneout/"Move with Your Feet" crew. C.f. Harry Browne/Doug Casey .

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 No.105674

I pay somewhere from $60-$80 every two years for my license. The license is no guarantee that I am not going to be bad at my profession. If that was the case, there would be hardly any disciplinary summaries in the back of my state board newsletter. Licensure is a scam to make extra money for the state and create a regulated professional monopoly. The hurdle is convincing people that you can be competent at your profession without a license. Here is a test at how brain-washed people are. Next person you come across, ask them if they would want a licensed doctor to treat them or an unlicensed doctor. Bonus Round, tell the licensed doctor is brand new, the unlicensed doctor has been practicing for 20 years.

Speaking of physicians, I really feel bad for them. Not only do they have a state board but they also have other board certifications that they are generally force to get or they unable to be hired.

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 No.105049 [Open Thread]

For me, it's minarchism

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 No.105539

>>105177

The lower bound is any state and the upper bound is approximately early America

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 No.105625

Has anyone approached minarchism from the point of view of privatizing everything, but the state would simply be an elected committee without the power to make laws but only act as a negotiating party with other nation states that would continue to exist?

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 No.105628

>>105625

That isn't a state at all

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 No.105630

>>105628

Yeah, you're right. I guess I am more ancap than I thought.

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 No.105673

>>105539

Are you a possible monarchist?

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