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/liberty/, where to emigrate to?
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No.104643
>>104627
>shit gun laws
Nah, u r an fgt
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No.104645
Monaco would be great,being a tax haven and all, but there are probably a lot of barrier to getting in. also french people would also be a problem
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No.104647
Paradoxically, the US state is the strongest oppressive source of tyranny worldwide but the current situation affords US citizens the greatest liberty. The only thing you need to worry about is your location when the system collapses. I'm going to Idaho.
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No.104649
>>104647
Is Free State Project a meme?
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No.104688
>>104649
It wasn't at its start, but now it's turned into a libertine circlejerk in either meaning of the term. New Hampshire's still a pretty baste place to live in spite of that, though.****
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No.104694
>>97837
>fun laws
heh
>>104627
Japan and Singapore have far too much of a bugman mentality for me. Singapore won't even let you chew gum ffs.
Hong Kong though seems like it might be on the verge of becoming an independent city-state which would really rub my William Gibson rhubarb.
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No.104698
>>104694
>Hong Kong though seems like it might be on the verge of becoming an independent city-state which would really rub my William Gibson rhubarb.
Yeah, their resistance against Chinese tyranny is admirable. The earlier Brits clearly gave them an appreciation for liberty and individualism. I should have added Taiwan to my earlier list. That place is pretty good, but it may become a battleground between powers in the next ten years.
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No.104707
>>104694
Hong Kong used to be an independent city-state. China forced their cock down Hong Kong's throat about 4-6 years ago and it's slowly been assimilated ever since.
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No.104719
>>104707
Have you heard about the thit thats going down in HK right now? They're fighting the Chinks tooth and nail
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No.104724
Switzerland is what America should be like overall but isn't currently because of bureaucrats
T. Burger
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No.104733
>>104719
I legit haven't. What's going on?
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No.104735
>>104724
That might have been true ten years ago. Now, they've gone gay with the firearm laws, and the EU is managing to shove regulations down the Switzer's collective throats despite their not being a part of it.
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No.104737
>>97810
>imagine paying taxes so you can be given money to take a phd
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No.104747
>>104733
Protestors stormed the HK parliament building a few days back
http://archive.today/HjnYt
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No.104750
>>104747
Oh, the one that happened over a week ago. I thought something had happened since then.
I mean, it's interesting, but long term the situation still seems kind of hopeless for Hong Kong. Likewise for Taiwan, incidentally.
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No.104756
>>104737
i have never worked though
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No.104762
>>104694
It's not illegal to chew gum in singapore, its just illegal to import it or sell it. This doesn't apply to therapeutic, dental, or nicotine gum though, and if you know where to buy it, you can get some good shit (at a higher price, of course). I understand the bugman thing, but the native malays are pretty fun people generally. If you come you should know a couple of languages, but if you speak indo you can also understand 90% of malay.
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No.104786
>>104750
I can still hope damnit.
>>104762
Yeah SE asians seem like great people in general.
Koreans too, or so I've heard; much better than the Japanese.
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No.104817
>>97800
>>104724
>>104735
The Swiss like their national independence, but they don’t give a crap for personal freedom, markets, or /liberty/. They could easily become small commune style communists if they didn’t have an international image to maintain.
For example, Swiss animal farms are horribly inefficient and are run using methods that are millennia old. Farmers can not sustain themselves on their own, so they get some obscene amount of money from the state to keep up this way of life. But the Swiss absolutely love this, even if they take it up the ass in taxes (I’ve heard 1000 CHF per person per year goes to farmers alone). I get that reading a bed time story to your cows helps them produce better cheese, but maybe you could read to two or three of them at a time.
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No.104820
>>104817
swissfag here and I can confirm. since the sonderbund war and the increasing centralization that followed because of it the swiss got more and more cucked and the big cities like zürich and bern are already germoney-tier. the cantons are still somewhat independent but it is getting more centralized as well and there are a lot of people that would support joining the EU. I've talked to a swiss lawyer though that has goven talks at the PFS and mises institute too though and he'll try to sue the swiss state and try to completely secede, let's see how that goes.
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No.104899
What's the current state of the independence demonstrations in HK? Not much gets reported on it where I live.
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No.104942
>>104899
From what I've heard the protestors got beaten on by the Triads that are apparently backed by the Chinese government. I think they're still protesting but they just got a massive beating.
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No.104945
>>104899
White shirts counter-protestors are on a rampage through HK, beating civilians and journalists with bamboo sticks. Police are being given 'stand down' orders from their higher-ups and are not doing their job.
https://youtu.be/B6dnPCwHHfE
https://youtu.be/B6dnPCwHHfE
Pls share this video.
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No.104946
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No.104951
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No.104958
>>104945
>Police are being given 'stand down' orders from their higher-ups and are not doing their job.
Sounds like what their fellow commies do in Berkeley. They're all the same.
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No.104962
>>104958
Incompetance is a feature of monopoly, not a failure. This sort of thing would likely happen to every police force given the right scenario.
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No.104969
>>104951
Property and Freedom Society, the Mises-like organization Hoppe founded in Turkey.
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No.104973
>>104962
This is a matter of corruption, mate, not impotence. You could even argue that the situation is about the opposite of impotence. Since the leftists have grown so bold due to their power, they're essentially above the law and any form of accountability. Berkeley's mayor can order the police to give tacit support to antifa commie thugs, and the police can just stand idly by as peaceful demonstrators get attacked with weapons and sent to the hospital. The mayor can claim to support free speech on twitter as he blames the one-sided violence on the victims in the next tweet. And they've faced hardly any opposition. The brave souls in HK seem to care more about basic freedoms than we do.
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No.104979
>>104973
Corruption is not bad on its own, though. It's that the monopoly lets them cater to corruption without the risk of greater financial loss by disregarding their consumers, and that the consumer cannot use an alternative. I should've said 'state police' instead of 'police', I didn't mean to trigger the niggs.
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No.104992
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No.104999
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No.105008
>>104820
Are familiar with Lichtenstein? What’s your opinion on it?
It seems like most people are normie (US style) republican types there, i.e. sort of pro /liberty/.
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No.105024
>>105008
liechtenstein is pretty based, they basically have a 2 party system and both of these are socially conservative and economically liberal and most of the princes in liechtenstein were really libertarian compared to others.
according to wikipedia the #1 party is the FBP
>national conservatism
>economic liberalism
>monarchism
>euroscepticism
>classical liberalism
and the second biggest party is similar but a bit more democratic, so overall I really like liechtenstein and was even thinking of moving there since I live pretty close.
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No.105036
>>105008
>>105024
Liechtenstein's constitution also explicitly allows polities to secede from it with a simple majority vote, so if you want to start something akin to the Free State Project, it would be a lot easier to do so.
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No.105067
>>105036
europeans already have a liberland
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No.105127
>>105036
>>105024
I’ve heard all that. It does seem like the best country on earth, but that’s not saying much.
It doesn’t look like the people are willing to do something radical like privatize the courts. In fact it seems like the are so crushed by the surrounding european superstate that are just trying to get by while maintaining some degree of autonomy.
But it looks like the smallest province would only need about 500 people to get some serious political change, is it doable or would they kick us out? US cuckservatives would be upset if that happened to them and might actually do something when they can’t be called racist. I guess the same thing would happen there, but I’ve only been in Lichtenstein for 5 hours.
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No.105132
>>105067
>liberland
you fell for a meme
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No.105133
>>105127
the people in liechtenstein are really friendly but if we stormed their country they would probably be upset, it might be possible to have a mises-like event in liechtenstein though to convert some of the already pretty libertarian people there.
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No.105149
>>105132
the usa began as a meme too
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No.105159
>>105149
no it didn't, back to >>>/reddit/
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No.105176
>>105133
Really? The seemed about as friendly as most germanics when I visited Saturday. That is to say not very. But maybe I’m too used to southern hospitality from where I live. And they are quite elitist (low openness and low agreeableness) as well, deservingly so and that is not a bad thing, but I just don’t think they will take kindly to a new radical ideology.
People who become minarchists by choice will usually progress to anarchist in a few months. People who are born a minarchist do not face the same pressures to change. Ideologies have a lot of inertia. That is just a theory, and one I would like to be wrong.
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No.105181
>>105176
Well where are you from? They have a high ingroup preference so they might not be as nice to someone who doesn't talk german. I've only had good encounters with them even though I really fucking hate germans and I'm pretty sure they do too. I guess you're right about the minarchist thing though, they would still be easier to convert than people in say germany for example.
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No.105202
>>105181
The US south. I’m ethnically Dutch/Scottish/Bavarian but I don’t speak a bit of the German.
But that’s converting ideologies the thing I don’t know about. Do people change views in a linear fashion, i.e. does it take the same amount of work to go from a socialist to a centrist as it does from a centrist to a libertarian as it does from a libertarian to an anarchist? It seems plausible, but it didn’t happen that way to me or anyone I know.
It seems more likely that it take a whole lot of work to go from a socialist to a centrist and then much less work to progress through the other steps. Once your initial assumptions have been challenged and broken, it is very easy to go down the rest of the path.
It’s true that going from saying 50% government interaction is ok to 20% to a bigger change in magnitude from going from 20% intervention to 5%, or from 5% to 0%. But I think what is important is the idea that government should intervene at all. Once you accept that reduction in government is necessary, it is very hard to not go all the way down to 0%. So to that end, converting someone who is at 15% government intervention and getting them down to 0% is not much easier than converting someone at 50% and going to 0%.
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No.105204
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No.105224
>>105204
you didn't present an argument either, kill yourself molymeme
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No.105294
>>104688
New Hampshirite fag reporting in, Can confirm.
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No.105295
>>104735
>>THIS
If you are barred from basic human rights, such as owning at least a semi-auto firearm, then how can you ensure your intake of oxygen and have any chance of fighting off tryanny when it grows too big?
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No.105380
>>104973
>The brave souls in HK seem to care more about basic freedoms than we do.
Yeah, the "bugmen" are outdoing us and showing far more spirit.
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No.105426
What's the freest, developed Asian country? Taiwan or Singapore? If shit really hits the fan here in the West, civilization will go on over there.
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