/liberty/ - Liberty

>>104462

I relate to this a lot. I live in a blue state so I saw the hypocrisy of the shitting on Bush then worshipping Obama despite the fact Obama continued a lot of Bush's foreign policy and managed to get an even higher kill count than I thought possible. I just can't stand hypocrites no matter what.

You speak the truth man. Do they realize the effects of their policies have on poor people or are they dumb enough to believe in them?

There was always something that felt false about the progressives. They claim to fight for the poor yet most of them are from middle class white families. Even the non-white ones still come from well off families. I know it's a petty criticism but it's always something that bugged me about them.

>>104462

>the nazi larpers don't bother me because they admit they want to be violent but liberals and socialist lites make me infuriated because they act like they are mother teresa and they will pretend like they are the most compassionate humans beings on earth as they are reporting their neighbors to the police

QFT

>>104567

jews are really a non factor in America tbh, so is everyone else when its really just black vs white as the main rivalry here. Jews are just sort of secondary group who gets the typical shitting on like everyone else. No different from Irish, Italian, or Polish immigrants ect. Theres things like some jews uncle muarry not being allowed into the all WASP golf course or country club but thats the worst of it here.

>>97048

Based.

>>105192

see >>105128

>>105196

Is that supposed to prove something? We need everyone in on this, I don't care if 90% of the movement is just hot sluts and their betacuck orbiters. The more talking heads we have spreading the word, the better.

>Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have

>>105210

Ironically, everyone knows the battle theme of Flash Gordon even if no one has seen the movie. Memes are so useful in the culture war for similar reasons- people like memes even if they don't understand a lick of the politics, and will meme things into reality for shits and giggles without understanding the consequences: see Boaty McBoatface.

I'm not saying libertarians are the only intelligent ones, there's plenty of intelligent people across the political spectra. I'm just saying the vast majority of normalfags could fuck off and society would continue to function with very minor fluctuations in the hands of that 20-30% of the ant colony with an inner voice. That's where the whole NPC meme comes from.

>>105216

Put another way, I only want to share society with the people who watch T.V. and have to put in a mental effort to binge instead of being able to do so for hours without pause. Normalcattle spewing libertarian memes make it easier to find like-minded people. Get learned, yo'

>>104949

shouldnt every property owner have power to rule his or her property as he or she wants?

>>104993

Yes, but the most that can result from that rule is physical removal so to speak. Final arbitration on your land is fine, but the implication anon got at was that punishment for failing to follow final arbitration or failure to pay taxes would result in being imprisoned instead of being kicked off the property.

>>105002

so is propertarianism bad?

>>105068

Propertarianism is an autistic, logically incoherent cult of personality of worshipping the empirical that Curt Doolittle built upon around himself. The less is said of it the better.

>>105070

>being this anglocentric

pff

>>105119

Because transcending our limitations of our meat cage bodies sounds pretty based

>>105121

Could you give some examples?

>transcending our limitations of our meat cage bodies

This sounds like improvements.

>>105085

go back to >>>/reddit/ you fucking newfag, lurk moar or kill yourself

>>105085

Just fuck off to 4reddit, you retard.

>>105085

you arent entitled to be helped

>>103735

I'd rather have the possibility of small, alternative media than regulatory capture ensuring that those same giant tech companies are the only platforms in town >>103623 .

>>103623

> I use Facebook once a year now, I do not remember a single time Google violated my "rights"

Facebook allowed a third party consulting farm buy user information without the consent or even telling its users and was fined $5 Billion, has to now have regular privacy audits, and restructure their entire structure

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/facebook-fined?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

As for google

>The European Commission is hitting Google with a fine of 1.49 billion euros (some $1.7 billion) for "abusive practices" in online advertising, saying the search and advertising giant broke the EU's antitrust rules and abused its market dominance by preventing or limiting its rivals from working with companies that had deals with Google.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705106450/eu-fines-google-1-7-billion-over-abusive-online-ad-strategies

Also, Google has been caught red handed plotting on limiting the outright of certain figures they disagree with, specifically Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro who they refereed to as 'Nazis'

Heres a leaked email from Google employee Liam Hopkins

>“Today it is often 1 or 2 steps to nazis, if we understand that PragerU, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro et al are nazis using the dog whistles you mention in step 1. I can receive these recommendations regardless of the content of what I’m looking at, and I have recorded thousands of internet users sharing the same experience.”

And if you dont think thats bad enough, Google has outright stated they will work to manipulate data and abuse the awesome power they wield in order to influence the 2020 election

>>105072

>Youtubes mass censorship of conservatives+libertarians

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/01/the-purge-youtube-mass-censors-conservatives-new-right-classical-liberals/

>twitter shadowbanned prominent conservatives and Republicans

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/43paqq/twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-republicans-like-the-rnc-chair-and-trump-jrs-spokesman

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/vice-investigation-finds-twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-conservatives/

https://www.rt.com/usa/434268-republicans-shadowban-twitter-search/

What do democratic politicians make of this censorship of right wingers? They not only praise it and want more, but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people

>Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) calls for more internet censorship/penalizing tech companies that dont ban people like Jones

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17765664/ron-wyden-alex-jones-infowars-regulation-elections-privacy-cybersecurity-kara-swisher-podcast

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>>105074

>but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people

They've made the first amendment into a joke.

>>105106

The cherry on top is that the courts ruled that twitter is a public forum and that Trump could not block people from his profile because of this. Ancaps are being delusional for just turning a blind eye to all of this

>>104732

>I don't think a State is necessary for stupid ideas to flourish

Do you think the aforementioned trust fund babies would have gotten those ideas if the education system wasn't thoroughly co-opted by the state? They only follow these ideas because they are made to appear fashionable. They are fashionable because the Jew-infested, rent-seeking media portray it as such. Remove those elements and all meaningful subversion goes with them. The state is not only necessary for stupid ideas to flourish, it is the only place where stupid ideas flourish instead of being stamped out within a generation.

>>104734

The only way that's going to be possible, then, is if you have a worldwide ancapism. If there's even one State that can fund subversive socialist activism, well, you get what happened to medieval Iceland and Ireland, I suppose.

>>104729

It would be in your best interest to leave them be unless they break the NAP. Let them extort their voluntary citizenry and watch as they slowly starve. If they don't see that communism is wrong it's their own fault. But the very instant that one of them tries to use force to make you join their shenanigans they've broken the NAP and are subject to retaliation.

It is a left wing myth to discredit libertarianism and alt-cucks bought into it because they pretend people and/or groups are secretly on their side when they really aren’t. It’s just something they do and sometimes it’s funny.

For a more nuanced answer, there are two paths one must travel to achieve hoppean enlightenment: the cultural/societal path and the economic/ethical path. Some form of the alt-right is a brief stop on the cultural path, but once someone has taken the ancap redpill there is no going back. Take Cantwell, who is (a fed) more of a nazi than most of the alt-right. But he was once a libertarian and still views all of his actions as a means to achieve ancapistan.

>>104751

That's a stupid conclusion to reach. Without a state apparatus, there's nothing to subvert, outside funding or no outside funding. Left-wing agitators have no power of their own, only the power to pressure the state into carrying out their wishes. Without a state to do so, they are impotent, even if some outside state decides (for whatever improbable reason) to fund them.

Commonwealth Iceland and Gaelic Ireland both survived for centuries before they were attacked by a military force. To claim that these examples disprove the practical efficacy of ancapistan is also stupid, because it fetishizes the seen at the end of the unseen. In either case, the existence of a state would not have made their survival more likely. Since they would have been conquered either way, state or no state, it does not follow that these were "failures" of liberty, since there is nothing a state could have done to alleviate the situation.

>>104984

What isn't? Why bring them up at all? Just to say "I don't like them" or "I like them"?

The Gathering of the Juggalos is just a big carnival anyhow. Those aren't necessarily ancap or anything else.

>>104985

>the gathering of the juggalos represents one of the best examples of voluntarist collectivism in the world

>It's sort of poetic that a gathering of AnCap-like collectivists can only exist because of the state failing them.

What's ancap-like about these clowns exactly?

>>104987

I guess it would be they're a group of people gathering their own community without the state? I guess it works if you view ancap as a framework for different ideological communities to sprout out of. Like in an ancap world you could have an ancap community, an ancom one, a mutualist one and etc. I think that's what Christian anon is saying. Personally, I think it's a little bit of a stretch.

>>104988

Oh, I get it, but I think something like the Amish would be a better example.

>>104984

Their entire operation is outside the confines of the state. Juggalo philosophy revolves around the idea of doing things for yourself/with the help of fellow juggalos in order to survive in an otherwise fucked up world. These people barely hit double digit IQ ranges, but they're a tribal community that wants to be left alone to drink their faygo and solve their own life problems among each other instead of getting state-sponsored programs, therapists, etc. involved in the process. Realistically if they hadn't been cracked down on for gang-related reasons due to looking "scary" they would have set up their own distribution methods and become truly independent from the state. It's half the reason the state cracked down on them- Juggalos are not naturally violent. I'm sympathetic towards OP's claim because I made the same rough claim about half a year ago (albeit that thread died after 10 or so posts). The only way I can explain it, anon, is that if you went to a juggalo gathering (don't bother, they're trash), you'd realize that they are very much the foundations of an AnCap community.

>>104988

Sort of. I suppose that explanation works too.

>>104387

I think Americans have absorbed a natural aversion to the label of "socialism"/"communism" through cultural osmosis without understanding the distinction between capitalism and socialism or how either work. Most Americans do not have even a base-level understanding of economics, which is probably due to modern economists using complicated calculus to attempt to divorce themselves from the label of "social science", inadvertently divorcing economics from what it actually is–the study of how humans act to satisfy their own demands in the face of scarcity. A lot of Americans don't support "socialism" in name (either because they themselves don't support it or because they fear the reaction from others) but constantly advocate in favor of interventionist policies/new, more restrictive regulations. The Overton window has shifted so far towards authoritarianism and centralization that most people are socialists in all but name.

I think this is why you see so many Democratic politicians still claiming that they're not socialists, and it's why so many people are vulnerable to being absorbed into the socialist camp. When they are dissatisfied with the current political/economic climate, they are attracted to "socialism" in name as a kind of maverick, which "capitalist" propaganda had taught them to fear. It doesn't help that neocons have managed to co-opt the label "capitalism" into meaning using government subsidies to support monopolies, supporting the unabated right of companies to dump pollutants into a river they don't own, bombing random people overseas in the name of "national security", or using eminent domain to confiscate land from random people and give it to companies. Within this narrative, "socialism" is cast as the alternative to the current system, which is erroneously labeled "capitalism".

>>104387

Lots of the people who say they're against socialism can't stop singing FDR's praises. They might not like the word, but they'll vote for the policies just the same.

>>104379

I'm referred to as Xennial

>>104386

Funny enough most of the nerdy/emo girls i knew as a kid were into manga and anime. They didn't care about comic books.

>>104422

So you were born in the late 80's early 90's?

>>104967

>Jeffrey Tucker

Never heard of him.

>>104966

Everything's relative. He was recently deeply involved with Trump cancelling some military action against Iran after they downed a drone. His influence likely made the difference. He's an outspoken opponent of Antifa, which has made him a target, doesn't like big tech and their censorship and frequently says highly un-PC things about the border and the "refugees." Pretty good, desu.

>>104972

>>104975

However, I appreciate that Tucker helped to stop military action against Iran and is an opponent of Antifa. Still doesn't change the fact that he is an MSM news host who promotes economic ignorance, even if "it's what all the other hosts are doing!"

>>104971

Not what I said, nigger, learn reading comprehension.

>>104787

has that team got their titles taken away?

>>104824

They've been placed under review for "illegally experimenting on" (read: making fools of) the academics they sent the papers to.

>>104895

Reminds me of the science wars.

>>104895

who placed them under review?

>>104952

Google it, you wannabe Socrates

>>104816

>alt-right-NSDAP

>implying that not being a complete retard socially makes you a nazi

that's why I hate to be associated with lolbertarians

>>104821

it is nazis who are socially retarded

>>104893

nah

>>104911

yes

they are introverts usually

What needs to be changed?

Is there enough of a userbase to start a new board?

>>104909

the BO is more or less dead

the stickies actively invite leftists

the reading list is shit and full of marxist crap

I don't think that our userbase is big enough for a new board though

>>104808

Did Sargon mention age of consent?

>>104921

>>104922

lol damn. a boy reaching purity at 11? unless he got it up the bum