No.102827 [Last50 Posts]
So far in the #YouTubePurge;
Banned-
YouKipper
The Great Order
Varg
Demonetised-
Martin Sellner
James Allsup
Steven Crowder
Red Ice TV
SinatraSays
Videos deleted-
Angelo John Gage
Gavin McInnes
Milo
Red Ice TV
Black Pigeon Speaks
Drunken Peasants
Press For Truth
J.F Gariepy
And many more
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Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods. They can't be taken seriously as they have no genuine interest in *positive freedom*, ie real freedom.
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No.102829
>>102827
Agreed. Giant Corporations can trample on your rights just as much as a big brother style government and this is a huge blind spot for the ancap crowd. The only way I can see an out for them is addressing the fact that all these tech giants receive billions in subsidies from the government. Ironically enough, the EU has been the only ones I know of who have pushed back against google, but that was for some monopoly violation of giving unfair advertising advantage to google owned products.
The real problem behind all of this is that the whole SJW movement continues to breed in western academia almost completely unmolested. And peoples reaction is usually just laughing it off as if some college kids whining over pronouns is important, but they are missing the fact that these are the kids of the elites, and they are introduced to these ideas in ivy league schools, and they go onto hold positions of power and influence in government, tech, academia, and media. None of this will stop until people start addressing cultural marxism in academia
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No.102831
Reminder that the two candidates in the upcoming elections who talk the most about introducing anti-monopoly laws and regulating those evil big corporations are literally being paid by the very big corporations that they are fighting against.
Kinda makes you wonder how effective all your socialist bullshit is at stopping monopolies instead of killing the little guys trying to enter the market.
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No.102832
>1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods
Because as we all know, the production and provision of internet and social media services are scarcely regulated at all. Your average congressman probably hasn't heard the word 'internet' more than twice in his life, much less learned its meaning.
>*positive freedom*, ie real freedom.
>feels = reals
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No.102835
>>102829
>>102827
>muh corporations
more like muh arm of the state
>Ironically enough, the EU has been the only ones I know of who have pushed back against google
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
are you even serious?
have you even read the contents of article 13?
Genuinely laffin rn m8, fuck off and kindly kill yourself with your socialist shilling
>inb4 its not atually socialism when its just for muh volk
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No.102836
Get sterilized, all of you.
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No.102837
>>102831
>>102832
>current system of Ameriburger politics = shit, ineffective
>this means we have to meekly accept tech censorship forever
>pls oppress me billionaries
Absolute state of lolberts
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No.102838
>>102832
>feels = reals
No, you moran, that applies to negative freedom, which is concerned only with invisible norms in society, ie property.
You don't care if everyone is reduced to serf-like dependence on a handful of wealthy elites,including being fired for what they do and say, and having their speech controlled, so long as the norm of 'property' is respected.
Hopefully one day you realise how vapid all of this is.
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No.102840
>>102837
>this means we have to meekly accept tech censorship forever
Please indicate where this was stated. The libertarian position is that deregulation of industries enables the breaking up or at least reining in of monopolies through the mechanism of competition. Of course, the banking and financial sector is so heavily monopolized (no thanks to the 2008 bailouts) that this alone will not fix much. The only real solution to this problem is a complete overhaul of the government. At minimum the FDIC, SEC, and FCC should be targeted.
>>102838
>No, you moran, that applies to negative freedom, which is concerned only with invisible norms in society, ie property.
You are aware that by definition a "positive" freedom requires infringement on the freedoms of others?
>You don't care if everyone is reduced to serf-like dependence on a handful of wealthy elites,including being fired for what they do and say, and having their speech controlled, so long as the norm of 'property' is respected.
Because the free market and competition should prevent such scenarios from occurring. Regulation, mandatory licensure, etc. are the primary tools of suppressing competition, and they are tools of the state.
>Hopefully one day you realise how vapid all of this is.
The only vapid thing here is your socialist nonarguments.
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No.102842
>>102835
I specifically mentioned they fined google for violating their laws against monopolies because google was using dishonest advertising tactics
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/technology/google-eu-android-fine.html
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705106450/eu-fines-google-1-7-billion-over-abusive-online-ad-strategies
Youre a binary brained stooge who uses meme politics as a replacement for developing a personality
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No.102843
>>102840
>deregulation of industries enables the breaking up or at least reining in of monopolies through the mechanism of competition.
All hypothetical. You accept censorship in the meantime until a competitor comes along. And what about when the competitor censors? None of this addresses the root concern, ie the power of owners to control society in the first place. Freedom should not be at the whim of finance.
>>102840
>You are aware that by definition a "positive" freedom requires infringement on the freedoms of others?
Yes, and I accept that clashes of freedoms are real things, rather than denying the obvious.
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No.102844
>>102840
Retard who can't into US economic history
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No.102845
Youtube is not the entire Internet, and it is not the only video sharing services. I'm really not worried about this, and I don't think it's as big of a deal as it's being made out to be. This already happened to Alex Jones, and AFAIK his reach has actually increased. If Youtube wants to encourage decentralization away from its platform, I don't see that as a bad thing.
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No.102846
>>102845
>it is not the only video sharing services
just the only one anyone uses lmoa
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No.102847
>>102846
How is that a problem?
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No.102848
>>102843
>All hypothetical.
>You accept censorship in the meantime until a competitor comes along.
You are making an assumption that there is at once one company in existence. Except in the case of an emerging technology when a company has first-mover advantage, this is almost never the case. And it's certainly not the case for video-sharing websites.
>What about when the competitor censors?
If customers place value upon not being censored, then they will leave that platform for another, and the competitor will observe a decrease in traffic/revenue.
>None of this addresses the root concern, ie the power of owners to control society in the first place.
Sure it does. In a free market the owner's service is constantly being compared to the next best alternative.
>Freedom should not be at the whim of finance.
What do you mean by "finance"?
>Yes, and I accept that clashes of freedoms are real things, rather than denying the obvious.
In other words, you think that "freedom" should exist in certain cases, but not others.
>>102844
<ur a retard because
(You)
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No.102849
>>102847
because it means google can effectively decide who is allowed to speak to the public and shut people up whose message they dont agree with.
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No.102850
>>102848
>normies care about censorship
Wrong
>people want to constantly switch platforms
Wrong
Fuck off free market retard
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No.102851
>>102848
>You are making an assumption that there is at once one company in existence
Certain markets tend towards monopoly, even if they never arrive there. Ie. markets where negative gains from scale are never reached.
>If customers place value upon not being censored, then they will leave that platform for another, and the competitor will observe a decrease in traffic/revenue.
What about personal or financial benefits from censorship? Or what if they are driven by ideology to accept financial losses? Yes according to theory they should go broke, but this could take a long time, especially if apart from that they do a good service.
>In other words, you think that "freedom" should exist in certain cases, but not others.
Where did I say should? I said freedom unavoidably will exist in some cases, and not others, because people's freedom is constantly in conflict. The freedom of a black person to come in my shop vs my freedom to keep him out.
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No.102852
>>102849
I'm a little bit more cynical about people, I guess. People go to hear the messages they want to hear, as opposed to getting shoved messages that challenge their viewpoint. I've seen so many other large websites bleed their audience and die from trying to pull this shit that I'm really not worried about it.
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No.102853
>>102850
>people want to constantly switch platforms
Wrong
Exactly, a platform with no one on it is immediately a much worse service, regardless of whether it's free from censorship.
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No.102855
The goal was to complain about YouTube content, until YouTube resembled broadcast television with trannies prancing around. We have won.
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No.102856
>>102852
>I've seen so many other large websites bleed their audience and die from trying to pull this shit that I'm really not worried about it.
Such as?
Reddit was supposed to die to voat, but didn't. Twitter was supposed to die to Gab and other such shit, didn't. I see plenty reason to be cynical.
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No.102857
>>102850
>normies care about censorship
See:
>If customers place value upon not being censored
If you happen to place value upon not being censored whereas most people do not, then you want a premium product. There will still exist a service which specializes in the specific feature you want, but you may have to pay a premium for it, or you may have to look harder for it.
>people want to constantly switch platforms
This is more of an implementation detail, but I find it entertaining enough to bite. The overhead of switching could be reduced through technological solutions. For example, in the short term, services like Bitchute could offer an automated service for migrating your videos off your YouTube channel, perhaps for a fee; this would reduce the overhead for "content creators".
In the long term, the service of hosting files could be separated from the ways in which the layman would search through and access those files.
>Fuck off free market retard
This is our board; why don't you fuck off?
>>102851
>Certain markets tend towards monopoly, even if they never arrive there. Ie. markets where negative gains from scale are never reached.
Give an example.
>What about personal or financial benefits from censorship?
Those would factor into the host's decision-making process, yes. For example, a devout Christian who runs a video hosting website may censor abortion-related videos. I suppose in terms of financial benefits you mean that a video hosting website may be paid by a third party to suppress certain videos. If their primary revenue stream is from customers, then this changes nothing. Censorship is fairly noticeable in this day and age, and chances are a formerly freedom-focused video hosting website that chooses to alienate all of its customers by effectively becoming that third party will lose its audience fairly quickly.
>Or what if they are driven by ideology to accept financial losses?
Chances are a company run by somebody who ideologically accepts financial losses wouldn't stay around for very long.
>Yes according to theory they should go broke, but this could take a long time, especially if apart from that they do a good service.
Who says the "bad" company has to go broke? All they have to do is realize they're losing money and therefore not maximizing their profit.
>>102855
>We have won.
Ok, here's your (you).
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No.102858
>>102857
That being said, the issue of people being so comfortable/complacent with respect to censorship these days is at least in part due to the public education system.
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No.102859
>>102857
>If you happen to place value upon not being censored whereas most people do not, then you want a premium product. There will still exist a service which specializes in the specific feature you want, but you may have to pay a premium for it, or you may have to look harder for it
The exact reason why I don't support your free market fairyland. I can't even be guaranteed the right to anonymity or free speech.
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No.102860
>>102859
>I can't even be guaranteed the right to anonymity or free speech.
Your "right" to anonymity does not include the data you choose to provide to a third party service provider, nor does your freedom of speech include the data you post on another person's platform. It is no different than you drawing a penis on somebody else's whiteboard and complaining when it gets erased that your "freedom of speech" is being violated. But aside from that, what alternative do you propose that would "guarantee" your "right to anonymity and free speech" on various platforms?
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No.102861
>>102857
> If their primary revenue stream is from customers, then this changes nothing. Censorship is fairly noticeable in this day and age, and chances are a formerly freedom-focused video hosting website that chooses to alienate all of its customers by effectively becoming that third party will lose its audience fairly quickly.
History shows otherwise, though, people's complacency is stronger than their moral grievances.
>Chances are a company run by somebody who ideologically accepts financial losses wouldn't stay around for very long.
Under perfect competition yes, they would lose market share, but when you've already captured the market you're not punished with destruction for doing one stupid thing.
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No.102862
>>102860
> It is no different than you drawing a penis on somebody else's whiteboard and complaining when it gets erased that your "freedom of speech" is being violated
Only to your property-rights-focused mind is there no difference. The reality is the 'whiteboard' is the public square, and he is asking for the freedom to raise his grievances in a normal public forum.
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No.102863
>>102862
>The reality is the 'whiteboard' is the public square, and he is asking for the freedom to raise his grievances in a normal public forum.
How many people need to be using the whiteboard for it to be a "public square" that requires regulation by the government?
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No.102864
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No.102865
>>102861
>History shows
Well, I think if a platform's main selling point were that it were free of censorship, its audience specifically would be freedom-minded people who would not be very friendly to any instance of censorship. Furthermore, people today are different from people 100 years ago are different from people 100 years in the future. Attitudes towards freedom and market economies have changed significantly over history.
>Under perfect competition yes, they would lose market share, but when you've already captured the market you're not punished with destruction for doing one stupid thing.
One, you are assuming one company would capture the entire market. Two, as I mentioned before, they don't have to go broke. They just have to realize that they're not maximizing their profits by being dicks.
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No.102866
>>102865
> if a platform's main selling point were that it were free of censorship, its audience specifically would be freedom-minded people who would not be very friendly to any instance of censorship.
Sure but since when is that the situation.
>you are assuming one company would capture the entire market.
Most of it, yes, is that unrealistic though? There are many gains from scale, on the internet. When you're bigger everyone has more people to interact with and not feel like their posts are wastes of time.
>they don't have to go broke. They just have to realize that they're not maximizing their profits by being dicks.
And then change as a result of that. In the first place, it might not be obvious they're losing potential money because of it, in the second place, money may not be their highest value.
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No.102867
>>102856
…how old are you? Are you even 20?
Usenet, Geocities, Digg, MySpace, ytmnd, sa, newgrounds, stumbleupon, aol, etc.. Even in the case of Digg dying to Reddit, it wasn't immediate, it was a slow, gradual transition. And in other cases, those old sites are still around, but just got supplanted by the next thing that cropped up.
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No.102868
>>102867
Not familiar with those cases m'fam, but have never heard the argument censorship caused their demise.
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No.102869
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No.102870
>>102866
>Sure but since when is that the situation.
Basically every nu-right social media "replacement" website.
>Most of it, yes, is that unrealistic though? There are many gains from scale, on the internet. When you're bigger everyone has more people to interact with and not feel like their posts are wastes of time.
In the case of internet content sharing services it's perfectly possible for people to use multiple services at a time.
>When you're bigger everyone has more people to interact with and not feel like their posts are wastes of time.
True for some, but is there not also demand for smaller communities with focused interests where discussion is less chaotic, i.e. 8ch?
>And then change as a result of that. In the first place, it might not be obvious they're losing potential money because of it, in the second place, money may not be their highest value.
Yes, they may or may not change, but neither does it follow that just because loss of market share from freedom-minded people wouldn't necessarily kill a company, the company couldn't change its ways.
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No.102876
>>102838
>everyone is reduced to serf-like dependence on a handful of wealthy elites
This is literally all of human history, you stupid bitch
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No.102878
>implying this is capitalism we live in
At best we live in corporatism or a mixed market economy. These companies pretty much act as informants for the state. It ain't private any more it's corporatist shit and I'm getting sick of libertarians getting blamed for shit we didn't do.
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No.102881
>>102856
Digg died to reddit, MySpace died to faceberg, and Faceberg is dying to various other platforms. Voat and gab aren't replacements for reddit and Twitter, and they never supposed to be. Both are specific products with a specific niche: social networks for right wing ideas. Both fulfill that niche very well. There are dozens of other examples of this occurring in the tech market.
>>102859
>I want something most people don't, so I need to pay a minor premium for my niche tastes
<WAAAAAAH! OPPPRESHUN! GIBSMEDAT!
Sure thing Tyrone.
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No.102882
>>102868
Are you retarded? It doesn't matter what caused their demise for your argument to be invalid. People became unsatisfied with the service and began to move. Why they were unsatisfied has no bearing on the fact that they will move. This is low-effort goalpost-moving and nigger-tier argumentation.****
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No.102889
>>102882
>Are you retarded?
This is why I simply replied "O.K.." Sometimes it's better to just let it go, Dixie-boy.
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No.102892
>>102889
Coherently explaining why an argument is wrong is a skill which dulls with time. Even if I don't expect this latest aut-right squatter to acknowledge my response, I'll take the opportunity to keep my skills honed.
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No.102893
>Look at these huge corporations that only got huge because of government aiding them, they're fucking people over! The free market failed!
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No.102895
>>102893
I think it's more subtle than that, even though you are correct:
>Even if it is the case that the government is aiding them, there are still alternatives.
>Most of them, doing things like this only causes the platform to lose their userbase, so it's a self-correcting problem
>There's no legal (or moral/ethical) 'right' that what you're saying on your bully pulpit has to be broadcast to the entire world.
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No.102952
>>102893
>Look at these huge corporations that only got huge because of government aiding them, they're fucking people over! The free market failed!
Left anarchism is superior to capitalism because it has actually existed for a few months.
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No.102954
>>102952
>few months
How is this superior to a system that has lasted for centuries?
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No.102960
>>102954
I thought >>102952 was being sarcastic.
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No.102983
>>102954
>a system that has lasted for centuries?
>Look at these huge corporations that only got huge because of government aiding them
Pick one.
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No.103013
>>102827
Jews killing their own minions just for fun lol
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No.103024
>>102827
Imagine being so utterly propagandized that you think more state involvement in social media platforms would help the right at all.
I don't know if you've noticed but this is a huge win for the Crowder camp. The more they're (those being purged) attacked the more people rally to them.
Nobody likes YouTube's ownership. There is huge demand for alternatives which are all on the rise, and it's precisely because the market is relatively free to operate that they exist. Crowder, Alex Jones, Gavin, BPS, moving to their own sites. This is the best possible scenario.
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No.103025
>>102882
Follow the discussion before diving in with insults you stupid nigger. The argument was that companies who censor lose money and are replaced, hence they will learnt their lesson. The alleged reason they went out of business is the entire reason to mention them.
It has no bearing if various censoring companies are replaced with others as likely or more likely to censor people.
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No.103026
>>102983
>not real capitalism, we live in corporatism
>look how great free market is
ebery time
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No.103027
>>103024
>right wing is kicked off mainstream sources to digital ghettoes where only the already converted can see them
>no normal person ever stumbles across their videos again
>this is surely a good thing for the right wing
Was it a good thing for Catholicism when it could only be heard in secret? What about Paganism when it was banned by Catholics?
I don't remember these faiths growing in strength and dominance
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No.103033
>>103027
Did you mean to say Protestantism? Because that's the exact parallel to this situation, and Protestantism has flourished
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No.103036
>>102832
>it wasn't real capitalism!
>ancapmemeball_giving_thumbs_up.jpg
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No.103038
>>103025
The argument is, "online services can and will be replaced if consumers are no longer satisfied by them." Unless you can prove that the replacement and competition process for censorship is qualitatively different from the replacement process for every other kind of dissatisfaction, it's a meaningless distinction to be make. You can't prove any such thing, so you have no point.
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No.103043
>what is a parastatal entity
>implying Google isn't a deep state front company enforcing it's agenda
u r a fgt
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No.103061
>>103038
ICANN is an NGO with total control over domain names, and was given this power by the federal government.
Since ICANN decides whether companies like GoDaddy can lease large amounts of address space, ICANN essentially has control over how the entire internet is used.
Notice how every single free speech techie registrar dropped the Daily Stormer when the powers that be decided it should be wiped from the web. And it has repeatedly been dropped by the new registrars after regaining traffic
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No.103087
>>102983
I pick capitalism because the current system of welfare-backed corporations are failing
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No.103097
>>102827
Corporations are supported by the State and vice versa; you can barely differentiate from the two at this point.
>Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods.
In a stateless society, if Google decided to alienate a good portion of customers, they would be fucked. Similarly, there would be competition that could take said alienated customers and profit from it.
Google, as of right now, doesn't have to worry about such things. It's called corporate welfare for a reason.
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No.103138
>>102827
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the fault of intellectual property laws?
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No.103155
>>103043
>business and corporations are parastatal entities
It's funny, that's exactly what AnComs say.
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No.103157
>>103155
>Ancoms
Those retards only think that any hierarchy that isn't their "le democratic horizontal people organization" wet dream is parastatal, while the ancap meaning is for any corporation that acts and it's used as a front for the state openly or not.
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No.103158
>>103157
Does that mean that you, as an individual, have the unlimited agency to decide which business is a statal entity and which are not?
Does that mean that you, as an individual, are allowed to steal and kill to destroy those statal entities?
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No.103179
>>103033
Have you legit not heard of Catholicism being outlawed, Anon?
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No.103180
>>103038
> "online services can and will be replaced if consumers are no longer satisfied by them."
No, the argument is if corporations don't permit free speech they are replaced. Citing examples of companies being replaced is not evidence of this, unless they are replaced for that specific reason.
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No.103186
>>103180
>Unless you can prove that the replacement and competition process for censorship is qualitatively different from the replacement process for every other kind of dissatisfaction, it's a meaningless distinction to be make.
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No.103187
>>103179
Wish that was true
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No.103188
You are free to use other video sharing websites. What allows people's rights to be trampled is monolithic corporate monopolies. No monopoly, no problem. Never let corporations grow too large.
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No.103191
>>103188
This. And they can never grow that large without the state to protect them.
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No.103228
>>103186
That's a completely different point to the argument about whether the examples cited are relevant. You are the one with brain damage you stupid hillbilly.
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No.103229
>>103191
>he asserted without evidence
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No.103260
>>103229
It's pretty easy to see how the free market without government intervention would allow businesses to remain smaller. Or at the very least, they can't use their monopoly to extort people.
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No.103261
>>102827
Xir, this is a monocorporatist aka marxist board xir.
Xe anarchists were correct xir.
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No.103262
>>103260
hippity hoppity. no buying and selling while subletting the property.
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No.103272
>>103262
So don't sublet a property that doesn't allow you to run a business on it if you want to run a business. Or an even better idea is to just own your own property for your business.
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No.103321
>>103272
>So don't sublet a property that doesn't allow you to run a business on it
Which state is that?
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No.103322
>>103321
You know we're talking about a free market system in a hypothetical free land without government intervention in business, right?
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No.103326
>>103322
>You know we're talking about a free market system in a hypothetical free land without government intervention in business, right?
You sure?
~checks op~
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No.103333
>>103326
Look back to my first comment, here >>103260 where I was indeed talking about a free market without government intervention.
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No.103335
Yes as mentioned earlier the internet hasn't had to undergo government scrutiny so corporations have been exploiting as much profit out of people as humanly possible before someone comes in and ruins their fun
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No.103342
>Boohoo, YouTube is exercising their freedom of association
Use Bitchute
/thread
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No.103343
>>103335
>before someone comes in and ruins their fun
You mean "join in on their fun" right
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No.103345
>>103322
capitalism is private property owned and run for profit moron
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No.103346
You should call Libertarians what they are - "Yes Men".
They cuck to whoever has power at the moment, even if they disagree with them. If they were going to resist it, they'd be NatSoc.
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No.103357
>>103345
What part of what I said disagrees with that?
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No.103361
"In those lands of 'freedom' and 'wealth' the people is by no means the focus of the nation"
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No.103363
AnCaps handwave any examples of capital market failures.
The answer is a national socialism.
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No.103366
>>103363
>everything I don't like is a market failure
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No.103368
>>103363
>state intervention on market creates distortions and crisis
>"the free market failed!"
t. neetsucc
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No.103370
Libertarians are just the other side of the same coin as communists. They both have a severe misunderstanding of human nature. They're the dipshits who took econ 101, which was basically "government intervention bad, unregulated economy good" and think they're economic experts now.
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No.103372
>>103370
So enlighten us on human nature, Socrates.
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No.103377
Does this guy really think Libertarians believe in corporate welfare? Seriously, these big tech companies aren't so private.
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No.103384
At least we still have our memes.
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No.103387
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No.103399
>>102837
If you haven't figured out that the DNC/ SJW left has hijacked American libertarianism then I really do not know what to tell you.
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No.103408
>>103372
Leave your basement for a while.
Live on the street for a while.
Own a house for a while.
Be poor for a while
Make good money for a while.
Be friends with rich people for a while.
Be friends with poor people for a while.
If you don't do these things, you won't understand.
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No.103411
>>103370
> econ 101, which was basically "government intervention bad, unregulated economy good"
If you think any university econ class teaches anything close to this you might be retarded.
>>103408
>implying he's done any of these things
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No.103416
>>102831
>$30,000
Are you kidding?
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No.103417
>>103408
I've done all of those things except being homeless. I'm asking you to actually tell me what errors we are making and what the truth actually is.
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No.103438
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No.103475
>>102827
I noticed this too, the actual value of Libertarians is not freedom, it's apathy. They want a society predicated on apathy, where nobody interferes in their wrongdoing. It's not a surprise so many of them are anarchistic; a strong, right-ruling state would get in the way of all their criminality and wickedness.
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No.103479
>>103475
>LOOK MOM, I POSTED IT AGAIN!
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No.103482
>>103479
wow that salt, I can tell my words hit home
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No.103485
>>103482
>salt
You'll have to point it out to me, because I don't see any salt. Just a canned response to the umpteenth "hurr durr fee market is libertine" NEETSoc post. This isn't a particularly original argument, it's in fact so repetitive that it can be dismissed with pre-existing screencaps instead of a genuine response.
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No.103537
>>103485
>I don't see any salt.
Everyone else does
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No.103538
>>103537
>projecting this hard
No anon, you're the jews
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No.103540
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No.103556
>>102876
are you fucking retarded?
humans lived for thousands of years in hunter-gatherer tribes with no 'elites'
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No.103557
>>103556
>tribes didn't have chiefs, respected elders, and medicine men
And he's the retard?
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No.103600
>>102846
For the time being maybe. It will eventually get so bad that normalniggers will start to notice
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No.103601
>>103417
You can't debunk that because one box is still unchecked. Now go sleep under a bridge….Anthony Kiedis style
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No.103602
>>103342
Businesses should be penalized for taking a stance on anything
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No.103607
>>102829
I would laugh if someone bombed a university. Making the Pol Pot option so easily desirable.
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No.103623
>>102829
>Agreed. Giant Corporations can trample on your rights just as much as a big brother style government and this is a huge blind spot for the ancap crowd.
Right now, our governments are holding back on open oppression because that's out of vogue, and even so, they have jailed far more people over "hate speech" than Facebook or Google ever could. Furthermore, I use Facebook once a year now, I do not remember a single time Google violated my "rights" (except in colluding with leftists, perhaps, which corporations of all sizes are guilty of), and not one of these companies you are so afraid of holds a monopoly. Facebook is diversifying its services precisely because the platform itself isn't nearly as popular as it used to be, and while Google is still the predominant search engine, you can easily use Yahoo or Duckduckgo instead. So they cannot force you to use their service, either, whereas the government can and does.
Corporate death squads are pure conjecture, the Pinkertons aside, who fought violent strikers and lost a few fights, so they were both largely benign and not dangerous. Meanwhile, the US government has actually, in this timeline, experimented with LSD on prostitutes, sponsored experiments on unwitting citizens involving artificial coma and sensory deprivation to "depattern" their minds (it is as devious as it sounds, but thankfully scientific nonsense), it may or may not have undertaken some false flag shootings on US soil, has sent death squads into foreign countries, and has waged war for twenty years or what without any interruption. So, pray tell, how could Google possibly compare with that?
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No.103624
>>103623
Just to clarify, I am not even a fan of the tech giants. I think they are corrupt cronies who do nothing to further the causes of liberty or conservativism, and I'd gladly watch Facebook go out of business for being so partial to lefties. They don't scare me half as much as the government, however.
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No.103625
I think Big Tech is doing this on purpose to get regulations. They're in a win-win situation. They can use their platforms to push their any political policy agenda, and if there's crackdown against that, then such regulation will make chans impossible to exist, and you have to use Big Tech platforms.
They're counting on regulatory capture eventually.
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No.103628
>>103557
>tribes didn't have chiefs, respected elders, and medicine men
who said this? none of those are 'elites'. they are simply roles members of the tribe might have.
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No.103672
>>103628
>none of those are 'elites'.
How are they not when those specific positions give power to dictate the fate of other individuals in a tribe?
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No.103674
>>103672
>to dictate the fate of other individuals in a tribe?
Meant to say:
to dictate the fate of other individuals *without opposition* in a tribe?
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No.103677
>>103625
I remember reading an article about Zuckerberg pushing for more regulation so yeah I can see that happening.
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No.103687
>>103628
>Elite, n.
>1.a. A group or class of persons considered to be superior to others because of their intelligence, social standing, or wealth
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No.103735
>>102827
>the sad state of free discourse
Given the power of these tech companies to censor and influence public speech, I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way. The present situation is intolerable. Far too much power over discourse is concentrated in too few hands. A few cunts from San Fransisco shouldn't be able to silence many millions.
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No.103737
>>103735
>I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way.
The government is already involved. These tech companies became powerful due to both direct and indirect government assistance. Ideally you'd remove the government from interfering entirely. In the event that isn't practical, I have no ethical qualms about using the state against another part of the state.
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No.103746
>>103735
I'd rather have the possibility of small, alternative media than regulatory capture ensuring that those same giant tech companies are the only platforms in town >>103623 .
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No.105072
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>>103623
> I use Facebook once a year now, I do not remember a single time Google violated my "rights"
Facebook allowed a third party consulting farm buy user information without the consent or even telling its users and was fined $5 Billion, has to now have regular privacy audits, and restructure their entire structure
https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/facebook-fined?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1
As for google
>The European Commission is hitting Google with a fine of 1.49 billion euros (some $1.7 billion) for "abusive practices" in online advertising, saying the search and advertising giant broke the EU's antitrust rules and abused its market dominance by preventing or limiting its rivals from working with companies that had deals with Google.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705106450/eu-fines-google-1-7-billion-over-abusive-online-ad-strategies
Also, Google has been caught red handed plotting on limiting the outright of certain figures they disagree with, specifically Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro who they refereed to as 'Nazis'
Heres a leaked email from Google employee Liam Hopkins
>“Today it is often 1 or 2 steps to nazis, if we understand that PragerU, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro et al are nazis using the dog whistles you mention in step 1. I can receive these recommendations regardless of the content of what I’m looking at, and I have recorded thousands of internet users sharing the same experience.”
And if you dont think thats bad enough, Google has outright stated they will work to manipulate data and abuse the awesome power they wield in order to influence the 2020 election
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/google-describes-jordan-peterson-ben-shapiro-as-nazis-wants-to-prevent-another-trump-situation
Heres the full video. Its only on Bitchute now since it was immediatly removed from youtube, which google owns
https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/
They have leaked footage of Google leadership talking about how much they hate the president and how they can use their power and influence to stop him
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2164030/leaked-video-published-breitbart-shows-google
And recently, Tulsi Gabbard is suing google after her advertising account was suspended without explanation for several key hours after the DNC debates
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/454746-tulsi-gabbard-sues-google-over-censorship-claims
>Corporate death squads are pure conjecture
https://www.apnews.com/8e01b036fd2b487d96ad79d65d442dad
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Colombia-Coca-Cola-Accused-of-Funding-Terrorist-Paramilitaries-20160901-0005.html
TL;DR-Facebook and Google have been fined for illegal practices and google has been caught red handed abusing their power in order to influence the political direction of America in their own favor by denying people access to the large corners of the internet that they control
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No.105074
>>105072
>Youtubes mass censorship of conservatives+libertarians
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/01/the-purge-youtube-mass-censors-conservatives-new-right-classical-liberals/
>twitter shadowbanned prominent conservatives and Republicans
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/43paqq/twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-republicans-like-the-rnc-chair-and-trump-jrs-spokesman
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/vice-investigation-finds-twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-conservatives/
https://www.rt.com/usa/434268-republicans-shadowban-twitter-search/
What do democratic politicians make of this censorship of right wingers? They not only praise it and want more, but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people
>Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) calls for more internet censorship/penalizing tech companies that dont ban people like Jones
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17765664/ron-wyden-alex-jones-infowars-regulation-elections-privacy-cybersecurity-kara-swisher-podcast
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17765664/ron-wyden-alex-jones-infowars-regulation-elections-privacy-cybersecurity-kara-swisher-podcast
And I already mentioned how Google was caught violating European anti monpoly laws, how they have been caught red handed trying to influence US politics, but they also work with the Chinese government in order to censor people as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/google-working-on-censored-search-engine-for-china
Back to my first point about the root problem being cultural marxism in academia, these people graduate from these campuses and go on to hold positions of power within tech companies like google or facebook, or hold positions of power and influence in mass media, or in government and they all work together for the singular purpose of abusing their power and influence to censor right wing figures and to unfairly subvert US politics in order to make sure they get their way. And all ancaps can do is ignore this and cuck out to them even though their heads are clearly on the chopping block too.
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No.105106
>>105074
>but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people
They've made the first amendment into a joke.
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No.105125
>>105106
The cherry on top is that the courts ruled that twitter is a public forum and that Trump could not block people from his profile because of this. Ancaps are being delusional for just turning a blind eye to all of this
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