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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.102827 [View All]

So far in the #YouTubePurge;

Banned-

YouKipper

The Great Order

Varg

Demonetised-

Martin Sellner

James Allsup

Steven Crowder

Red Ice TV

SinatraSays

Videos deleted-

Angelo John Gage

Gavin McInnes

Milo

Red Ice TV

Black Pigeon Speaks

Drunken Peasants

Press For Truth

J.F Gariepy

And many more

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Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods. They can't be taken seriously as they have no genuine interest in *positive freedom*, ie real freedom.

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 No.103333

>>103326

Look back to my first comment, here >>103260 where I was indeed talking about a free market without government intervention.

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 No.103335

Yes as mentioned earlier the internet hasn't had to undergo government scrutiny so corporations have been exploiting as much profit out of people as humanly possible before someone comes in and ruins their fun

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 No.103342

>Boohoo, YouTube is exercising their freedom of association

Use Bitchute

/thread

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 No.103343

>>103335

>before someone comes in and ruins their fun

You mean "join in on their fun" right

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 No.103345

>>103322

capitalism is private property owned and run for profit moron

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 No.103346

You should call Libertarians what they are - "Yes Men".

They cuck to whoever has power at the moment, even if they disagree with them. If they were going to resist it, they'd be NatSoc.

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 No.103357

>>103345

What part of what I said disagrees with that?

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 No.103361

"In those lands of 'freedom' and 'wealth' the people is by no means the focus of the nation"

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 No.103363

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AnCaps handwave any examples of capital market failures.

The answer is a national socialism.

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 No.103366

>>103363

>everything I don't like is a market failure

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 No.103368

>>103363

>state intervention on market creates distortions and crisis

>"the free market failed!"

t. neetsucc

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 No.103370

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Libertarians are just the other side of the same coin as communists. They both have a severe misunderstanding of human nature. They're the dipshits who took econ 101, which was basically "government intervention bad, unregulated economy good" and think they're economic experts now.

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 No.103372

>>103370

So enlighten us on human nature, Socrates.

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 No.103377

Does this guy really think Libertarians believe in corporate welfare? Seriously, these big tech companies aren't so private.

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 No.103384

File: fc2eb666d7aed98⋯.gif (Spoiler Image,215.33 KB,300x300,1:1,a30b9d4a-7ee7-47c5-ba7f-a8….gif)

At least we still have our memes.

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 No.103387

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 No.103399

>>102837

If you haven't figured out that the DNC/ SJW left has hijacked American libertarianism then I really do not know what to tell you.

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 No.103408

>>103372

Leave your basement for a while.

Live on the street for a while.

Own a house for a while.

Be poor for a while

Make good money for a while.

Be friends with rich people for a while.

Be friends with poor people for a while.

If you don't do these things, you won't understand.

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 No.103411

>>103370

> econ 101, which was basically "government intervention bad, unregulated economy good"

If you think any university econ class teaches anything close to this you might be retarded.

>>103408

>implying he's done any of these things

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 No.103416

>>102831

>$30,000

Are you kidding?

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 No.103417

>>103408

I've done all of those things except being homeless. I'm asking you to actually tell me what errors we are making and what the truth actually is.

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 No.103438

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 No.103475

>>102827

I noticed this too, the actual value of Libertarians is not freedom, it's apathy. They want a society predicated on apathy, where nobody interferes in their wrongdoing. It's not a surprise so many of them are anarchistic; a strong, right-ruling state would get in the way of all their criminality and wickedness.

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 No.103479

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>>103475

>LOOK MOM, I POSTED IT AGAIN!

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 No.103482

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>>103479

wow that salt, I can tell my words hit home

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 No.103485

>>103482

>salt

You'll have to point it out to me, because I don't see any salt. Just a canned response to the umpteenth "hurr durr fee market is libertine" NEETSoc post. This isn't a particularly original argument, it's in fact so repetitive that it can be dismissed with pre-existing screencaps instead of a genuine response.

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 No.103537

>>103485

>I don't see any salt.

Everyone else does

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 No.103538

>>103537

>projecting this hard

No anon, you're the jews

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 No.103540

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 No.103556

>>102876

are you fucking retarded?

humans lived for thousands of years in hunter-gatherer tribes with no 'elites'

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 No.103557

>>103556

>tribes didn't have chiefs, respected elders, and medicine men

And he's the retard?

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 No.103600

>>102846

For the time being maybe. It will eventually get so bad that normalniggers will start to notice

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 No.103601

>>103417

You can't debunk that because one box is still unchecked. Now go sleep under a bridge….Anthony Kiedis style

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 No.103602

>>103342

Businesses should be penalized for taking a stance on anything

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 No.103607

>>102829

I would laugh if someone bombed a university. Making the Pol Pot option so easily desirable.

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 No.103623

>>102829

>Agreed. Giant Corporations can trample on your rights just as much as a big brother style government and this is a huge blind spot for the ancap crowd.

Right now, our governments are holding back on open oppression because that's out of vogue, and even so, they have jailed far more people over "hate speech" than Facebook or Google ever could. Furthermore, I use Facebook once a year now, I do not remember a single time Google violated my "rights" (except in colluding with leftists, perhaps, which corporations of all sizes are guilty of), and not one of these companies you are so afraid of holds a monopoly. Facebook is diversifying its services precisely because the platform itself isn't nearly as popular as it used to be, and while Google is still the predominant search engine, you can easily use Yahoo or Duckduckgo instead. So they cannot force you to use their service, either, whereas the government can and does.

Corporate death squads are pure conjecture, the Pinkertons aside, who fought violent strikers and lost a few fights, so they were both largely benign and not dangerous. Meanwhile, the US government has actually, in this timeline, experimented with LSD on prostitutes, sponsored experiments on unwitting citizens involving artificial coma and sensory deprivation to "depattern" their minds (it is as devious as it sounds, but thankfully scientific nonsense), it may or may not have undertaken some false flag shootings on US soil, has sent death squads into foreign countries, and has waged war for twenty years or what without any interruption. So, pray tell, how could Google possibly compare with that?

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 No.103624

>>103623

Just to clarify, I am not even a fan of the tech giants. I think they are corrupt cronies who do nothing to further the causes of liberty or conservativism, and I'd gladly watch Facebook go out of business for being so partial to lefties. They don't scare me half as much as the government, however.

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 No.103625

I think Big Tech is doing this on purpose to get regulations. They're in a win-win situation. They can use their platforms to push their any political policy agenda, and if there's crackdown against that, then such regulation will make chans impossible to exist, and you have to use Big Tech platforms.

They're counting on regulatory capture eventually.

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 No.103628

>>103557

>tribes didn't have chiefs, respected elders, and medicine men

who said this? none of those are 'elites'. they are simply roles members of the tribe might have.

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 No.103672

>>103628

>none of those are 'elites'.

How are they not when those specific positions give power to dictate the fate of other individuals in a tribe?

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 No.103674

>>103672

>to dictate the fate of other individuals in a tribe?

Meant to say:

to dictate the fate of other individuals *without opposition* in a tribe?

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 No.103677

>>103625

I remember reading an article about Zuckerberg pushing for more regulation so yeah I can see that happening.

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 No.103687

>>103628

>Elite, n.

>1.a. A group or class of persons considered to be superior to others because of their intelligence, social standing, or wealth

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 No.103735

>>102827

>the sad state of free discourse

Given the power of these tech companies to censor and influence public speech, I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way. The present situation is intolerable. Far too much power over discourse is concentrated in too few hands. A few cunts from San Fransisco shouldn't be able to silence many millions.

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 No.103737

>>103735

>I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way.

The government is already involved. These tech companies became powerful due to both direct and indirect government assistance. Ideally you'd remove the government from interfering entirely. In the event that isn't practical, I have no ethical qualms about using the state against another part of the state.

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 No.103746

>>103735

I'd rather have the possibility of small, alternative media than regulatory capture ensuring that those same giant tech companies are the only platforms in town >>103623 .

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 No.105072

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>>103623

> I use Facebook once a year now, I do not remember a single time Google violated my "rights"

Facebook allowed a third party consulting farm buy user information without the consent or even telling its users and was fined $5 Billion, has to now have regular privacy audits, and restructure their entire structure

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/facebook-fined?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

As for google

>The European Commission is hitting Google with a fine of 1.49 billion euros (some $1.7 billion) for "abusive practices" in online advertising, saying the search and advertising giant broke the EU's antitrust rules and abused its market dominance by preventing or limiting its rivals from working with companies that had deals with Google.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705106450/eu-fines-google-1-7-billion-over-abusive-online-ad-strategies

Also, Google has been caught red handed plotting on limiting the outright of certain figures they disagree with, specifically Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro who they refereed to as 'Nazis'

Heres a leaked email from Google employee Liam Hopkins

>“Today it is often 1 or 2 steps to nazis, if we understand that PragerU, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro et al are nazis using the dog whistles you mention in step 1. I can receive these recommendations regardless of the content of what I’m looking at, and I have recorded thousands of internet users sharing the same experience.”

And if you dont think thats bad enough, Google has outright stated they will work to manipulate data and abuse the awesome power they wield in order to influence the 2020 election

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/google-describes-jordan-peterson-ben-shapiro-as-nazis-wants-to-prevent-another-trump-situation

Heres the full video. Its only on Bitchute now since it was immediatly removed from youtube, which google owns

https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

They have leaked footage of Google leadership talking about how much they hate the president and how they can use their power and influence to stop him

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2164030/leaked-video-published-breitbart-shows-google

And recently, Tulsi Gabbard is suing google after her advertising account was suspended without explanation for several key hours after the DNC debates

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/454746-tulsi-gabbard-sues-google-over-censorship-claims

>Corporate death squads are pure conjecture

https://www.apnews.com/8e01b036fd2b487d96ad79d65d442dad

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Colombia-Coca-Cola-Accused-of-Funding-Terrorist-Paramilitaries-20160901-0005.html

TL;DR-Facebook and Google have been fined for illegal practices and google has been caught red handed abusing their power in order to influence the political direction of America in their own favor by denying people access to the large corners of the internet that they control

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 No.105074

>>105072

>Youtubes mass censorship of conservatives+libertarians

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/01/the-purge-youtube-mass-censors-conservatives-new-right-classical-liberals/

>twitter shadowbanned prominent conservatives and Republicans

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/43paqq/twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-republicans-like-the-rnc-chair-and-trump-jrs-spokesman

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/vice-investigation-finds-twitter-is-shadow-banning-prominent-conservatives/

https://www.rt.com/usa/434268-republicans-shadowban-twitter-search/

What do democratic politicians make of this censorship of right wingers? They not only praise it and want more, but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people

>Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) calls for more internet censorship/penalizing tech companies that dont ban people like Jones

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17765664/ron-wyden-alex-jones-infowars-regulation-elections-privacy-cybersecurity-kara-swisher-podcast

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/22/17765664/ron-wyden-alex-jones-infowars-regulation-elections-privacy-cybersecurity-kara-swisher-podcast

And I already mentioned how Google was caught violating European anti monpoly laws, how they have been caught red handed trying to influence US politics, but they also work with the Chinese government in order to censor people as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/google-working-on-censored-search-engine-for-china

Back to my first point about the root problem being cultural marxism in academia, these people graduate from these campuses and go on to hold positions of power within tech companies like google or facebook, or hold positions of power and influence in mass media, or in government and they all work together for the singular purpose of abusing their power and influence to censor right wing figures and to unfairly subvert US politics in order to make sure they get their way. And all ancaps can do is ignore this and cuck out to them even though their heads are clearly on the chopping block too.

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 No.105106

>>105074

>but they actually toy with the idea of putting penalities on companies that do NOT censor certain people

They've made the first amendment into a joke.

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 No.105125

>>105106

The cherry on top is that the courts ruled that twitter is a public forum and that Trump could not block people from his profile because of this. Ancaps are being delusional for just turning a blind eye to all of this

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