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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 958ee2000d5d4dc⋯.jpg (313.16 KB,640x640,1:1,1510155564176.jpg)

 No.100380 [Open thread]

Okay /liberty/ (or any of our visitors), riddle me this:

>/pol/acks don't want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would racemix and Jews would subvert us

>/leftypol/ does not want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would discriminate against minorities

In other words, the fascists think that everyone is an SJW unless the state intervenes, and the SJW's think that everyone is a fascist unless the state intervenes. Both assume that people are naturally incapable of doing good, even though both have diametrically opposed conceptions of what is good.

How can that not cause anyone to have a moment of big thunk? Why are fascists not reassured by the fears of SJW's, and vice versa? My guess is, this is another case of the two ideologies of progressivism and slightly more right-wing progressivism being suspiciously close to each other, this time in a more psychological way. Both fascists and SJW's share not just the same authoritarian sentiment, but also the same misanthropic, paranoid streak.

I ignored correct labeling, for the sake of convenience. I don't care if these right-wing authoritarians are actually fascists or not, or if the left-wingers who are afraid of racism are SJW's or black supremacist Maoists.

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 No.100390

>>100380

>Why are fascists not reassured by the fears of SJW's, and vice versa?

The mind works in mysterious ways, and statists are notorious for their retardation.

That being said, I dont think people's fears ever reassure other people's fears. For fascists the gov isnt fascist enough, and for SJW's it's not SJW enough. I dont see how SJW's should be reassured by fascists thinking the gov isnt fascist enough.

In the end, statism is built on fear, and voting is just a way of attempting to enforce your will on your neighbors through proxy. It's not just fear what we're dealing with, people think they know what's best for others, better than they do themselves. The ruling class is an extreme example of this, but it's the same mindset I see with pretty much every other statist.

Fascists are also just another form of SJW imo, people just need to focus on themselves instead of constantly trying to change others and impose their will on them.

In poker there is this saying: "Do not try to understand the fish (bad players), because they don't even know what they are doing themselves"

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 No.100393

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>>100380

>>/pol/acks don't want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would racemix and Jews would subvert us

the main argumenta I hear from /pol/acks about opposing libertarianism are these

>monopolies, cartels

>muh Jewish libertarianism

>degeneracy

>free trade = globalism

>immigration

>well being of society

>>/leftypol/ does not want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would discriminate against minorities

leftypol uses these arguments

>it's a return to feudalism

>capitalism had contradictions

>you can't do capitalism

>muh equality

etc

>Both assume that people are naturally incapable of doing good, even though both have diametrically opposed conceptions of what is good.

that's easily refutable. show them pic related

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 No.100482

>>100390

>Fascists are also just another form of SJW imo, people just need to focus on themselves instead of constantly trying to change others and impose their will on them.

Funny you mention that, I am currently writing an essay on this very topic, on how we should not just live for politics. Because, I swear, people these days need to be told how to breath. It doesn't occur to them that they might be depressed and blackpilled because all they ever do throughout the day is to read the news. You have little shits who have never worked a day in their life, never been to gym, and never kissed a girl, but because they read a bit and hang out on /pol/ often, they are confident that someone's going to read their manifesto. Remember "Unionism"? That kind of thing.

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 No.100522

>>100482

Yeah, idiots use terms like "the Great Awakening" and axtually think questioning politics is anything new.

People think the masses are getting smarter and are "waking up" but IMHO they are clearly getting dumber by the day. People weren't so incredibly conformist and gullibe back in the day. They all just scream "woke" while being a dependent little statist.

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 No.100404 [Open thread]

/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

This thread is for discussion of property rights, self-determination, natural order, right-libertarianism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Left-Libertarians, Cosmopolitan freaks, Open borders cucks and other assorted libertine degenerates need to fuck off.

>LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT MEAN OPEN BORDERS, MORAL DEGRADATION, HYPER-INDIVIDUALISM OR LAWLESS CHAOS. /lrg/ IS THE A STAND AGAINST THE LEFT-LIBERTARIAN AND ANTI-MORAL LIBERTARIAN MENACE, DON'T COME HERE PREACHING THAT GARBAGE AND DONT ASSUME WE SUPPORT THOSE LOSERS.

Questions are welcome, however many are repeated often. We advise you research the basics before asking.

THREAD RESOURCES:

>Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/7K1EJYb8

>Discord & Book Club: sXwfD5K

RECOMMENDED MATERIAL:

>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard)

https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state

>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard)

https://mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto

>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

>Bump for Life, Liberty, and Private Death Squads

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 No.100493

File: f80d3310121b3be⋯.jpg (33.91 KB,640x640,1:1,26868838_1698392423558908_….jpg)

Based.

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 No.100495

>>100404

so i must believe in natural rights to post here?

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 No.100498

>>100404

>making a general on a board this slow

Are you retarded?

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 No.100821

>>>>>>>>>>/pol/

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 No.99964 [Open thread]

How do you fuck up so hard?

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 No.99970

File: dfe97c31a68ed5d⋯.jpg (42.67 KB,446x456,223:228,1551369975430.jpg)

the main difference between western and asia is that while western countries added rules on top of existing rules and got better at enforcing it, Asia removed a lot of rules and also stopped giving a shit about the rules left.

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 No.99971

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 No.99972

Why does share of global gdp matter?

There's a billion Asians now, most of them in slum conditions. Theres money in that part of the world and I get cheap products from it. Where's the problem?

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 No.100424

>>99964

Asia is just growing faster than EU and US. But all three grow, so it is good for all three.

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 No.100426

>>99971

GDP is really just "Maximum taxable income" of the country. It's a statistic sovereign nations collate so they can more easily get loans.

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 No.99688 [Open thread]

>Debunking Austrian Economics 101

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

just gonna leave this here :)

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 No.99863

>>99754

really? why?

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 No.99864

>>99863

companies never change their prices. the average company changes their prices once a year

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 No.99885

>>99864

>the average company changes their prices once a year

source?

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 No.100425

>>99692

>I'm not a pedophile, so I'd prefer to not browse a board that has CP.

4chan.

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 No.100439

>>99885

Worthless textbooks written by Paul Krugman.

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 No.99398 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I want to become skilled with weapons and physically fit. I want to travel all the way to New Zealand to kill this scumbag who killed the innocent. He doesn't even deserve a trial. He is no "red-pilled lad," he is a statist; he is a collectivist. A self-admitted fascist and, which he admitted himself, identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43yLMgXXOU

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 No.100198

File: 10161e573014fee⋯.png (1.79 MB,1056x2880,11:30,China.png)

>>99398

> identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

Well China is the mercantilist power set to dominate the world thanks the the ruling Jewish Elite in the US building them up and destroying the US for decades nya~

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 No.100199

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>100194

Think about it from a libertarian perspective. If someone is trespassing on your land you can shoot them legally right? The only question in the NZ case is WHO OWNS THE LAND… and the only realy answer is the one who has the monopoly of 'legitimate' (as supported by the media) force. History can play a factor but is only ever justification. The fact that (((central banking derived finance))) controls the media means they control the land… unless there is resistance. THe only difference between a 'terrorist' (ISIS) and a king (SAUDI ARABIA) is their power relative to each other nya~

https://meguca.org/nya/

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 No.100231

>>100198

take your pills schizo

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 No.100271

>>100143

>>100161

>It fucking was and still is

Restating the original goal is not goal shifting no matter how many times you complain.

>By being violated.

Passive statements do not answer the question. Was specific action(s) of violation?

>Something that doesn't exist in communism

No, as we see in the CNT, where they recognized personal property rights.

>No, it's not.

> NAP cannot claim anything.

>And NAP isn't about ethics.

Proof? I cited my source and you failed to provide a rebuttal.

>Who said anything about books,

It is a metaphor, moron. Your generic suggestion is analogous to that leftypol meme.

>So you are actually incapable of reading sentences

Your words <not mine:

<I would not, if they did not claim that it's in their domain.

<domain

There's no such thing as "moral law"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral%20law

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 No.100423

>>99437

So you are against freedom of speech?

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File: b03d86c11a3ccd0⋯.jpg (19.44 KB,300x445,60:89,Human Action.jpg)

 No.100343 [Open thread]

Okay, be honest, which one of you statist faggots infesting our board has actually read this book?

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 No.100346

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 No.100359

>>100343

A better question would be how many of us lolbergs have read it. I'm 40% of the way through. Excellent quality, but one of the driest books I've ever read.

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 No.100372

>>100343

Did they make a movie of it that I can watch?

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 No.100373

>>100343

Read Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State first.

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 No.100381

>>100346

Very nice!

>>100359

Also very nice, 40% is good progress.

>>100372

No, literally read a book.

>>100373

I am about 60% through with MES, I read Human Action before that. I like both very much, but perhaps MES is easier to start with for most people. For me, Human Action was better, because it went more in depth on the methodological stuff. To each his own.

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 No.100047 [Open thread]

why does the fed get so much hate? it literally lowered mortgage rates

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 No.100241

>>100047

because their goal is not to suck off shareholders but to keep the trust in the dollar

shareholders obviously dont like rate increases and therefore cried a shitton and even managed the fed to stop further increases for the near future

in my opinion the fed is one of the few institutions left in the us that still has some credibility

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 No.100242

>>100062

actually lower interest rates were obviously the result of QE which was necessary due to the crisis which was initially enabled and therefore caused by lack of regulation of loans an mortages

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 No.100243

File: 6e53b4d9354e736⋯.webm (11.79 MB,800x600,4:3,did_deregulation_cause_th….webm)

>>100242

And QE was done by the fed. And there was no "deregulation" pertinent to the financial crisis which occurred in the years leading up to it, making any effort to blame the crisis on deregulation an exercise in futility. The only take colder is to blame it on "greed."

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 No.100247

People like rollercoasters, and like their currency to be a rollercoaster because rollercoasters are fun.

Thus they hate the central bank.

They want tiny-private-bank backed currencies that are subject to speculation.

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 No.100351

they manipulate interest rates and caused the housing crisis

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 No.95779 [Open thread]

Come on you lazy niggers, let's solve this question once and for all.

Is only what you produce your property?

What about the air/bodies of water?

Can land be property?

What is the minimum amount of labour required to homestead a plot of land? Does homesteading give you the right to dictate the use of said land in perpetuity?

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 No.96984

File: 6dbe4e02b95f180⋯.webm (3.39 MB,600x338,300:169,Cosmonauts.webm)

>>96172

Rivers are a good example of collective, limited usufruct rights.

An individual cannot own a river because it is not a material entity but rather a constant across time.

You can own the fruits of your labour upon the river, but only insofar as the rights of the other users are maintained.

>>96877

Another example of different principles arriving at the same conclusion.

>>96941

>If you don't come back for the lawnmower in five years, bob, you can't gank the business they started with it. It's theirs. Should have checked in after the weekend. Same with your fucking factory; work the line or lose it to those whose lives it is.

If you let them borrow the lawnmower the fruits of labour done with the landmower are theirs. That's what borrowing means.

It still doesn't mean the landmower is theirs, since you're the one who made/bought it.

>>96946

>SENGL

I like this actually. Simple and catchy.

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 No.96987

>>96984

>Rivers are a good example of collective, limited usufruct rights.

Not really. Rivers are as much of a collective property as fucking environment, which is to say, none. It could be called "reactive property" as it reacts and impacts the property of others, but that's only as far as it goes.

>You can own the fruits of your labour upon the river, but only insofar as the rights of the other users are maintained.

Fuck you and your commie rhetoric. You can do whatever the fuck you want and let anyone do whatever the fuck you want unless it causes damage to other's property. No rights except property rights, stick that labor up your ass.

>Another example of different principles arriving at the same conclusion.

Except he said nothing about labor. How much of a gay faggot can you be?

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 No.99997

I enjoyed reading this thread, good stuff, thanks.

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 No.100006

ancapistan will only fully be realized in spess where there is very little scarcity

anything on earf is just a compromises

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 No.100332

>>95793

BASED

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 No.100305 [Open thread]

>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Rive and while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by ruger, an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.

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 No.100315

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 No.99939 [Open thread]

http://usa.v1.abalancingact.com/

Show me your budgets /liberty/.

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 No.100207

>>99980

>yes to Communist shit

>no to Military

You moron. No to all I can understand, but this is just pure retardery.

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 No.100211

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>>100207

He did reduce the spending to zero, the website is just retarded and still assumes Medicare and Social security have costs to maintain even if you set everything to zero.

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 No.100213

>>100211

yeah why can't you just completely cut welfare and Medicare?

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 No.100215

>>100213

This is my issue with ALL of these fucking budget calculators (ESPECIALLY >>100206 , you niggerfaggot). You can't line item by department, you have to do only the options the thinktank who made it will let you do.

In this case, if you read the popup, they explain their asinine reasoning.

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 No.100275

>>100207

I'm not autistic enough to adjust the other settings as it would take too long.

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 No.100043 [Open thread]

If you had a few spare billion dollars lying around, how would you spend them, /liberty/? I would invest it into these island structures and build ancap in some warm part of the ocean.

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 No.100101

>>100069

>The US Navy would suck my cock, if I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in nuclear defenses.

https://worldwarwings.com/when-pepsi-controlled-the-worlds-6th-largest-navy/

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 No.100106

>>100101

>“I’m dismantling the Soviet Union faster than you are.”

Based. What a great read, I didn't know about this. Maybe the US would be such a communist shithole in comparison to us that they would sell their own navy along with its gay sailors in exchange for some products we have.

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 No.100153

File: 4856f0404184f70⋯.png (123.98 KB,1080x409,1080:409,( ( reading fiction instea….png)

I'd dead afraid of being swalloed by a whale or something, you guys will need a really big island if you want me in there

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 No.100237

>>100106

US government was always 3/4 communist even in the cold war, fucks sake we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR which helped them divert their own funds to military growth. Commies WON the cold war, they control the west now. Russia and China are less socialist than any Western country.

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 No.100255

>>100237

>we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR

Not just that. Who bought their oil and gas?

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 No.100067 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.

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 No.100226

File: d68456419d112ed⋯.png (780.46 KB,1439x1071,1439:1071,topmeme.png)

>>100067

>8chan is mostly filled with statists.

I think most websites (much like most of society) are filled with statists anon, it's a shame but it's the reality we live in.

>Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism?

No, at least not to my knowledge. Also not to shit on you or make implications anon but by looking at your posts, you seem to want another 8chan but somehow it'd be anarchist this time, which unfortunately is just not a realistic expectation (I could be wrong but I highly doubt it).

>If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

I mean I certainly wouldn't mind posting on it but I'd have to wonder if it would end up like another operatorchan (which is to say perhaps it's unnecessary).

>>100147

Kek is this some butthurt chink? Why do we always seem to get the chinks on this board.

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 No.100244

>>100226

>no counter argument

>random insult

And I mean random, where did you even got chink from?

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 No.100245

>>100220

Well, the first pic is pretty damn stupid, as Christianity did not originate in Europe. It originated in the Middle East, and stayed there until the Mohammedan conquests hundreds of years later. It spread over Europe, yes, but also over North Africa, and further over the Middle East. It was never racially homogenous.

It's even more stupid when you consider that most white supremacists have a weird boner for the Scandinavians, who, however, came rather late to the party. The Mediterraneans, who are still derided by some white supremacists, were christianized early on, as were the Hebrews and Middle Easterners. The prototypical "Aryans", the Scandinavians, were still praying to their gay nigger gods when half the Middle East was Christian. it wasn't until later

I'm not even an anti-racist, but racialism as an ideology is pathetic. No one even manages to stay consistent with it. Just be a cultural chauvinist retard.

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 No.100246

>>100222

Kek, that stuff is glorious though!

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 No.100253

File: e8320bd413a878c⋯.gif (1.21 MB,310x314,155:157,nostyle.gif)

>>100244

Because the way you type reminds me of chinks trying to pass off China as some new economic wonderland and that it's all over for the whites, etc etc. Now of course it could be my mistake in perception and by all means you could be the whitest person on the planet but you sure do play the "I'm a fucking retard who can barely speak English" act pretty well I'd have to say.

>no counter argument

>implying there was an argument to begin with.

Kvetching about your misunderstanding of basic principles and the invasion of 'snowniggers' in a sub-humanoid manner is hardly an argument anon.

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 No.97091 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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 No.98332

File: e20a6e0c67342db⋯.jpg (167.46 KB,720x588,60:49,20190219_144031.jpg)

wat me then

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 No.98382

>>98332

you havent taken the red pill yet fren

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 No.98387

File: e61fbb6cdbfd7ef⋯.png (207.59 KB,807x935,807:935,big brain intellectual.png)

>>98332

You are clearly much too smart for this board. Only reddit has the capacity to withstand your massive brain.

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 No.100205

>>97091

>ultra-capitalism

>39.2% statist

Man, who ever makes the political tests/compasses are retarded as fuck.

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 No.100228

>>97612

>tfw India is more pro-American government than America

Can we just ship all of our politicians to Pooville?

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 No.99891 [Open thread]

I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.

https://ourworldindata.org/

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 No.100144

>>100138

>t. nigger

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 No.100177

>unironic Whiggism

Into the trash it goes.

>but muh data

Remind that data isn't worth shit. Samuelson looked at muh data in 1987 and thought the Soviet Union would overtake the US in a decade.

>>99958

>the internet

Literally a giant behavioural sink.

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 No.100178

>>99891

Statistics only go till 2010.

Invasion of Europe first started in 2014.

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 No.100185

File: b800abb76463ad5⋯.jpeg (9.04 KB,256x197,256:197,downdload (1).jpeg)

>>99960

YEAH BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RETARDED WHITE PEOPLE RIGHT?????

INB4 THEY ARE ALL JEWS..

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 No.100229

>>100058

You can try. There's no reason to argue that things are great if they are great. It'd be obvious to everyone from how amazing life would be. Furthermore people living in a prosperous life don't post on imageboards. They're off living their life. Their wonderful, beautiful lives.

>>100185

<Niggers are universally, definitively dimwitted

<Therefore, there's nothing wrong with treating them as property

>YEAH BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RETARDED WHITE PEOPLE RIGHT?????

Not only have you posted an obvious non-sequitur, but your shift key has clearly become broken from your repeated posting of absolute garbage. I don't even have to use hyperbole to demonstrate how terrible your post is, an actual direct quote is sufficient.

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File: e84392fc3eee2d9⋯.png (356.76 KB,646x518,323:259,driving-mad.png)

 No.100179 [Open thread]

So ein Hurensohn

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