/liberty/ - Liberty

>>100759

Swedens success is due to their liberalism, not "muh socialism" like berniebro retards claim. The time the country even tipped its toe into socialism, it was a huge shitshow failure

>>100762

>huge social safety net

wasn't the pension system partially privatized?

>>100793

the video is all about Swedens history of liberalism

>>100795

Sorry, I didn't even notice the video.

>>100712

No, you just said whatever words necessary to make the bastards hand over those seeds you just bought. It's like clicking "I Agree" on the EULA for a video game - nobody reads the damn things, nobody cares about the damn things, they're unenforceable, and people just take the quickest route to make it go away and then they forget about it. Information is not scarce, and attempts to make information scarce have always ended in failure (and will continue to end in failure, because the idea is just that ludicrous). If I buy your seeds, they become my seeds, and then I can do what I want with them. That's how buying stuff works. Industries have had almost six hundred years since the invention of the printing press to adapt their way of thinking to a world where only material objects have scarcity, but they refuse to do so because they all want to go back to the time when it was possible to jealously hoard an idea and actually hope to succeed. They keep trying, they keep failing, and they keep looking ridiculous because of it.

>>100721

He's saying that's irrelevant because it's unenforceable. At that point it's too late to get your 10 McBitcoins. You may say "No, because they have goons" but at that point nothing matters because goons.

>>100775

so if i rent someone a bike and he agreed to give it back to me the next day then it is unenforceable so irrelevant and the bike is his?

>>100776

That is a breach of contract which results in theft, and is therefore enforceable. You would have a right to your bike back, and could bring this claim to court. What you can't do is say, "I sell you this bike, but if you paint it red I will take it back" in a contract and expect enforcement, because no theft has occurred.

>>100745

Here's a better question:

If you were a committed anarcho-commie, and decided to mask yourself and begin committing acts of terror, which set of actions would you choose?

>Beat up white working-class conservatives

>Destroy private cars/houses (i.e. not the MOP)

>Terrorize media pundits

>Knock over trash cans

or

>Burn down warehouses and capital

>Blow up Walmarts

>Attack law-enforcers

>Assassinate CEOs and politicians

he tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

Social welfare never existed in America at the level it does today. People literally strved to death not a lot but people did, we should go back to that tbh because we have a system now Breaks up families and incentivizes garbage people having children. Because the more garbage you are the more handouts you get the governments essentially a enabler to maintain the status quo.

We need a sink or swim system where people are forced to swim or sink. It seems strange but in the past it was the reason people had stronger family bonds in poor communities. Because they literally had to rely on their family or die. It’s not a nice way to live but its the best way. Just look at the Ways social welfare has destroyed black neighborhoods

Poor people survive on the benevolence of others, as it has been since before Christ, but in the libertarian ideal there is no forced charity.

Paradoxically, the absence of a welfare state would produce greater welfare for the lower class because the money would be more efficiently handled and people would be more generous, seeing a personal obligation.

>>100729

thanks for my new favorite pasta

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

>>100287

>comparing sex to murder

And you have the gall to call anyone else deranged.

>>100287

im a scientist

not a pedo

>>100494

>im a scientist who wants to rape kids

>>100502

>for science.jpg

>>100502

kys

>>100652

this

he's complaining the fed isnt fed enough but they capitulated now just like peter schiff predicted so say goodbye to dollar purchasing power

Wait. So the Fed finally raised interest rates?

>>100676

The Fed started raising rates awhile back, a baby step at a time.

>>100676

>>100683

and then they said they werent going to until after 2020 so they capitulated

>>100582

Rationing will ensure goods don't end up where they're needed the most. You will always have some people in need of the good who cannot get it because of rationing, because the state cannot reliably estimate where it is needed, and you will have people buying all of the good solely because it is rationed, perhaps to sell it to the first group of people. The latter is actually a very productive acticity, it alleviates the bad effect of a system of rationing.

Besides, how would rationing help deal with inflation and artificial wage raises? It won't.

>>100582

The only rationing that should happen in a market is price gouging.

>>100523

What is that fucking thing? It looks like it's about to burst.

>>100610

My phat dick being cleaned of smegma.

>>100512

Responsible gun owners are not ass hats.

Leaving a gun in reach of a child is a crime in some States.

Shall we have more laws?

Did you read the entirety of the existing laws?

Read the existing laws.

>>100587

I guess you don't really ""need"" to know why your screen-cap is inherently flawed not even past the first paragraph. And then will continue to elaborate a flawed understanding.

>>100588

woops i meant flash guards

>>100636

Most assault weapon bans define "assault weapon" as this:

A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of

the weapon;

(iii) a thumbhole stock;

(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(v) a bayonet mount;

(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded

barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or

muzzle compensator;

(vii) a grenade launcher

"Assault weapons" are not assault rifles.

Assault rifles are automatic and require a license to own.

>>100572

Federal Law (Constitution) is above State Law.

McDonald vs Chicago

Caetano vs Massachusetts

DC vs Heller

US Constitution, Article 6, Clause 2

>>100521

>Proudfag was the first who called himself anarchist, therefore he invented anarchy.

I understand your statement, it's a false statement. I simply disagree with you, can we move on now?

https://materialanarquista.espiv.net/2012/11/03/the-ancient-greeks-and-the-anarchist-tradition/

Plenty of stuff you can find about this if you look for it.

Larken explains it pretty damn good as well IMO

>>100360

>when the genetically engineered catgirls revolt and turn us into their slave caste, this problem will be solved.

Why is this not an anime yet?

>>100299

>Anarchism, with its own famous symbol

Which was "commandeered" from the scarlet A for adulterer. Leftists, just like with property, cannot operate without stealing another's ideas.

>>100380

>Why are fascists not reassured by the fears of SJW's, and vice versa?

The mind works in mysterious ways, and statists are notorious for their retardation.

That being said, I dont think people's fears ever reassure other people's fears. For fascists the gov isnt fascist enough, and for SJW's it's not SJW enough. I dont see how SJW's should be reassured by fascists thinking the gov isnt fascist enough.

In the end, statism is built on fear, and voting is just a way of attempting to enforce your will on your neighbors through proxy. It's not just fear what we're dealing with, people think they know what's best for others, better than they do themselves. The ruling class is an extreme example of this, but it's the same mindset I see with pretty much every other statist.

Fascists are also just another form of SJW imo, people just need to focus on themselves instead of constantly trying to change others and impose their will on them.

In poker there is this saying: "Do not try to understand the fish (bad players), because they don't even know what they are doing themselves"

>>100390

>Fascists are also just another form of SJW imo, people just need to focus on themselves instead of constantly trying to change others and impose their will on them.

Funny you mention that, I am currently writing an essay on this very topic, on how we should not just live for politics. Because, I swear, people these days need to be told how to breath. It doesn't occur to them that they might be depressed and blackpilled because all they ever do throughout the day is to read the news. You have little shits who have never worked a day in their life, never been to gym, and never kissed a girl, but because they read a bit and hang out on /pol/ often, they are confident that someone's going to read their manifesto. Remember "Unionism"? That kind of thing.

>>100482

Yeah, idiots use terms like "the Great Awakening" and axtually think questioning politics is anything new.

People think the masses are getting smarter and are "waking up" but IMHO they are clearly getting dumber by the day. People weren't so incredibly conformist and gullibe back in the day. They all just scream "woke" while being a dependent little statist.

>>100404

so i must believe in natural rights to post here?

>>100404

>making a general on a board this slow

Are you retarded?

>>>>>>>>>>/pol/

>>99754

really? why?

>>99863

companies never change their prices. the average company changes their prices once a year

>>99864

>the average company changes their prices once a year

source?

>>99692

>I'm not a pedophile, so I'd prefer to not browse a board that has CP.

4chan.

>>99885

Worthless textbooks written by Paul Krugman.

>>100194

Think about it from a libertarian perspective. If someone is trespassing on your land you can shoot them legally right? The only question in the NZ case is WHO OWNS THE LAND… and the only realy answer is the one who has the monopoly of 'legitimate' (as supported by the media) force. History can play a factor but is only ever justification. The fact that (((central banking derived finance))) controls the media means they control the land… unless there is resistance. THe only difference between a 'terrorist' (ISIS) and a king (SAUDI ARABIA) is their power relative to each other nya~

https://meguca.org/nya/

>>100198

take your pills schizo

>>100143

>>100161

>It fucking was and still is

Restating the original goal is not goal shifting no matter how many times you complain.

>By being violated.

Passive statements do not answer the question. Was specific action(s) of violation?

>Something that doesn't exist in communism

No, as we see in the CNT, where they recognized personal property rights.

>No, it's not.

> NAP cannot claim anything.

>And NAP isn't about ethics.

Proof? I cited my source and you failed to provide a rebuttal.

>Who said anything about books,

It is a metaphor, moron. Your generic suggestion is analogous to that leftypol meme.

>So you are actually incapable of reading sentences

Your words <not mine:

<I would not, if they did not claim that it's in their domain.

<domain

There's no such thing as "moral law"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral%20law

>>99437

So you are against freedom of speech?

>>100047

because their goal is not to suck off shareholders but to keep the trust in the dollar

shareholders obviously dont like rate increases and therefore cried a shitton and even managed the fed to stop further increases for the near future

in my opinion the fed is one of the few institutions left in the us that still has some credibility

>>100062

actually lower interest rates were obviously the result of QE which was necessary due to the crisis which was initially enabled and therefore caused by lack of regulation of loans an mortages

People like rollercoasters, and like their currency to be a rollercoaster because rollercoasters are fun.

Thus they hate the central bank.

They want tiny-private-bank backed currencies that are subject to speculation.

they manipulate interest rates and caused the housing crisis

>>96984

>Rivers are a good example of collective, limited usufruct rights.

Not really. Rivers are as much of a collective property as fucking environment, which is to say, none. It could be called "reactive property" as it reacts and impacts the property of others, but that's only as far as it goes.

>You can own the fruits of your labour upon the river, but only insofar as the rights of the other users are maintained.

Fuck you and your commie rhetoric. You can do whatever the fuck you want and let anyone do whatever the fuck you want unless it causes damage to other's property. No rights except property rights, stick that labor up your ass.

>Another example of different principles arriving at the same conclusion.

Except he said nothing about labor. How much of a gay faggot can you be?

I enjoyed reading this thread, good stuff, thanks.

ancapistan will only fully be realized in spess where there is very little scarcity

anything on earf is just a compromises

>>95793

BASED