/liberty/ - Liberty

>>100067

How will it be any different to this shithole?

>>100071

it wouldn't have the negative fascist load that 8chan has already.

>>100073

Why? Will you actually moderate your board just hope that they will magically not show up?

>>100067

build a time machine and go back to 2007-2012 4chan. other than that libertarianism is pretty fucking rare on the internet.

>>100079

I will only take down CP, the rest will be uncensored, fuck modding.

I think if the chan/forum clearly refers to anarchism/voluntaryism that Nazis and commies won't be so interested in the first place.

Im not gonna worry about BS too much beforehand, if it goes to shit then so be it, not gonna stop me from trying, i just need to know if people are interested in the first place or if it will be a dead site.

>>100080

>libertarianism is pretty fucking rare on the internet.

That's what I think is the main problem, and what I'm trying to find out.

>>100081

>I will only take down CP

so authoritarianism then

>>100083

lmfao, yes, how unforgiving of me

>>100083

you realize that libertarians accept that people can do whatever they want with their property. you can censor anyone you want on your site. it doesn't go against libertarian philosophy.

>>100082

if I remember correctly Reddit has an active libertarian community. but they're all the "I want gay couples to protect their marijuana fields with fully auto assault rifles" type. they also advocate for open borders.

>>100085

subreddits are just as gay as boards on 8chan, not gonna cut it.

Let me make this clear, there is no good place for anarchists to gather and talk on the internet, if you know a site specifically for this then please tell me

>>100086

>anarchist is a far left collectivist ideology

try again

>>100089

It is though, anarchist grew out of the left wing of the French revolution which is why its a left wing ideology. This is why groups like antifa are anarchist. Ancaps and other similar LARP factions are just that, and simply dont understand politics

>>100090

Anarchism has nothing to do with left- or rightwing. It's more on the up - down scale of amount of government. It has nothing to do with the left-right paradigm, only anarcho-communists, which is an oxymoron to begin with.

>>100089

he's right. anarchy is left wing

>>100093

>Republicanism

>left wing

lol wut

>>100090

Arguing semantics is utterly ridiculous. Explain why capitalism without the state is impossible or gtfo.

>>100094

lmfao, not sure what that is doing there, i didnt make it, i just plucked one of the web.

The point is that anarchism has nothing to do with left or rightwing until you start choosing anarcho-communism or anarcho-capitalism

>>100096

the lack of government is left wing though. it could be argued that capitalism is also left wing but I have no fucking clue

>>100097

No it isn't

"Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy."

Has nothing to do with amount of government. Using that logic Mao and Stalin would be right-wing.

>>100097

The left–right political spectrum is a system of classifying political positions, ideologies and parties, from equality on the left to social hierarchy on the right.

>>100080

This is true, but godfuckingdammit is it depressing.

>>100081

>it will be exactly like this shithole

Yeah. No thanks.

>>100085

>you can censor anyone you want on your site. it doesn't go against libertarian philosophy.

This. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about this.

To answer the OP, follow what happened to the Mises forums. They used to be on austrianeconomics.com, then migrated to mises.org, then migrated to a freeforums site before ending up on Liberty HQ, and…I lost track of them since then. They didn't like TOR posters, so I kind of fell off with them.

>>100103

it will not be the same shithole lol, I'm sure the lack of censorship does not automatically mean it will be just as fucked up as 8chan. Im open for suggestions, except censoring the crap out of everyone.

>>100104

Thanks, ill look into that. I dont see any reason why I should exclude Tor users tbh.

>>100104

>Liberty HQ

checked it last week. it's a wasteland. completely dead

Who cares about public image of the site? This chan has the bandwidth, features, and posters.

It's been proven here that the site owners won't cuck out under pressure.

Just raise the quality of discussion in a grassroots way. Bully retard statists and anime posters, sage bait, make good arguments.

The best role of imageboards is quality OC. That's where we could step up.

>>100108

I agree with that to some extent, normally i would totally agree, but it's not hard to see why most anarchists don't want to come here, or even know anarchists are here.

But I think I know enough from all the responses here now, thank you all for your input

>>100105

>we will have the moderation policy lol

>the nazis and commies will just magically stay away from us lol

Kill yourself, lol. Every good business has a niche. If your niche is to be another cucked libertarian board then you can fuck off. One is enough.

>>100104

>Liberty HQ

checked it last week. it's a wasteland. completely dead

>>100109

>but it's not hard to see why most anarchists don't want to come here, or even know anarchists are here.

what the 10 left on the internet?

>>100110

this. there's already been /libertypol/ which failed

>>100110

Lol, I actually have 3 websites completely censor-free, they're doing just fine without me hardly ever interfering, if shit really turns bad then of course I will have to do something, although censoring will prob be the last option.

Im not saying commies will magically stay away, I'm just not gonna worry about it beforehand to the extent that I will just not do it at all or already plan for heavy moderation.

Trolling idiots off of my platform has been my preferred action until now, worked just fine.

Anyway, I know enough, cheers

>>100111

>what the 10 left on the internet?

Yeah I think that is the biggest problem. Not only on the internet of course.

Freedom is so done lol

>>100091

no it isnt. Anarchism is a left wing ideology in the truest since of the word in that is was born out of the left wing of the French Revolution and was something that appealed to the sans-culottes or peasents. Do you realize that when they say shit like "no rulers" they are referring to bosses too? Its all about being against any hierarchical structure, including business ones. The sans culotte were the peasents who didnt own anything, they didnt give a fuck about property rights or free markets like the middle class did, they just wanted bread and collective ownership. They were literally more left wing extremist than Marx was

>>100121

You guys cant just keep repeating this dogshit boomer tier circa 2008 Ron Paul spin off shit idea of what Anarchism is.

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is the first person to ever refer to himself as an anarchist, and when you are using his symbol, the A in an O (from Proudhons saying that Anarchy is Order), then you are indeed LARPing as his ideology. An ideology whos fundamental foundation is the idea that property is theft and that all hierarchies, including employee-employer/worker-boss are wrong

Anarchy is a collectivist, left wing ideology based around the idea that owning property or running a private business is wrong.

stop LARPing, stop being lazy, research these ideologies.

>>100122

and reminder, Prodhoun was too far left for fucking Karl Marx.

>>100124

I dont care what leftist cucks did with the word later on, this is what the word means.

>>100125

no stupid, the first philosopher to ever call themselves an anarchist was Proudhon. Stop being stubborn and stupid instead of just realizing you were wrong and learning.

>>100103

>>100105

Although it appears to be entirely ethical and/or moral to censor speech it is entirely un-American. It doesn't violate the NAP for a private entity to refuse to publish the words of other people, but it directly contradicts the Founders for an entity purporting to be a forum for speech to deny any speech. It is for this reason that I take issue with so-called-moderation. "SPAM IS FREE SPEECH" as they say.

>>100134

this actually ties into what Proudhom was saying here and what a lot of other early socialist thinkers were saying

>>100122

When it comes to the boss or european landlord or whoever owns the private property you rely on to survive, you are essentially their bitch and must comply with what ever arbitrary rules they set forth. You need a job in order to earn and income and you need a home to live in, so you are in effect your bosses slave and your landlords slave.

I dont agree with this idea entirely, but it does at least make a good point that ancaps dont ever even address with any serious thought, which is that private businesses can trample over your rights just as much as the government can.

>>100126

I stopped caring, sry.

>>100139

Why are you comparing monarchy with anarchy? From what I understand from ancaps is that property is defined by things like labour put into it, so that way people/businesses can't own large stretches of land.

This was one of the main concerns/doubts I had about ancap, how will we prevent it from turning into the same shit where rich people can just buy extremely large portions of land?

>>100141

>so that way people/businesses can't own large stretches of land.

*without using it

>>100141

>This was one of the main concerns/doubts I had about ancap, how will we prevent it from turning into the same shit where rich people can just buy extremely large portions of land?

You cant. All ancap would really be is a transitional stage into neo-feudalism.

>>100145

>All ancap would really be is a transitional stage into neo-feudalism.

Are we facing another influx of /leftypol/ and/or reddit again?

>>100080

>other than that libertarianism is pretty fucking rare on the internet.

Yeah, because most of then grew up.

>>100086

far left = communist

moderate left = libertarianist

center left = alt-nazi

>>100085

>they also advocate for open borders

Daily reminder that, even if you don't think populations are differentiated, you can't be a libertarian if you don't acknowledge that conflict is unavoidable when exclusion is prohibited.

>>100126

The history of anarchism began with the first humans walking on earth. Prehistoric society existed without formal hierarchies, close to anarchist principles. The first traces of anarchist thought can be found in ancient Greece and China where numerous philosophers questioned the necessity of the state and declared the moral right of the individual to decide for themselves. During the Middle Ages few religious sects espoused libertarian thought, and in the Age of Enlightenment the rise of rationalism and science signaled the birth of the modern anarchist movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism

>>100081

>I will only censor X

This never works. You start off censoring CP, then you're censoring loli, then censoring horse fuckers, then censoring mass shooters, then censoring people you don't agree with. That's how it turns out every time. Yes, including 8chan.

>>100085

If /liberty/ is already fully in line with libertarian philosophy (the owner and the mods he's deputized delete or allow content as they please), why is there a need for a new site?

>>100151

>hurr durr muh Somalia

A) Somalia is the result of a commie government collapsing in on itself like all commie governments do after they squander all productivity within an economy–the state of the country now is not the result of people seeking anarchy, but the end result of people seeking more government.

B) Somalia's current life expectancy, homicide rates, and various other statistics are actually a fair amount better than they were under the commie government in 1990. You just have to remember that your'e dealing with a population with an average IQ of 65 that you need to set your expectations for success much, much lower. Somalia is a shithole, but it's also a much shinier shithole than it was when the federal government had control.

>>100157

There's also the part where it's a warzone between like 5 different provisional governments. It's an example of more government, not less.

>>100067

Absolutely would be interested. But at the moment all online places of congregation are becoming subverted if they aren't already an Ourboros meme eating itseld on tautology.

Build it and the worthwhile will come find you eventually.

There is a huge gap in the market for a worksafe only imageboard, political or otherwise. I would migrate immediately.

>>100147

>leftists and their nigger pets

Leftists ARE niggers, you shitskin negroid. Fascists are also leftists.

Jesus, this thread is an embarassment. Someone delete this shit.

>>100146

that isnt even a leftpol view, its just an actual understanding of what would happen if there was no government. Hardly anyone on this god forsaken websites understands politics or these philsophies anyway and just views it from the lense of LARP shit

>>100156

> You start off censoring CP, then you're censoring loli, then censoring horse fuckers, then censoring mass shooters, then censoring people you don't agree with. That's how it turns out every time.

No, that's what heppens when you have sell-outs and spineless ppl running websites. I will only take down CP. Again, I run 3 censor-free websites that I never took anything down yet, and only will if I see clear CP, nothing else. People can make drugdeals there idc, but I refuse to allow CP.

>why is there a need for a new site?

-→> >>100073

>>100151

>Ah, so that plague has always been present in the minds of weak men.

Yes, questioning if we really need a ruling class enslaving us is a plague (to the ruling class and sheeple like yourself)

>>100167

Thank you for the first positive and helpful reply, that is a very good point and I totally agree, it is the only mindset that truly matters and gets shit done.

>>100168

> There is a huge gap in the market for a worksafe only imageboard, political or otherwise. I would migrate immediately.

Not really what I had in mind, but I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

>>100172

I do not agree with you. Your assertion of no government leading to neo-feudalism is just that, an assertion. People have been living without government for ages, and still do, they're doing just fine. Remember, anarchy does not imply no hierarchy, that's just leftist rhetoric.

There have been, and there are anarchist societies, if they failed it's almost always because they got invaded by the State, like in Catalunya, which was a bit too socialist for me personally tbh.

>>100192

><Ah so you now realise that libertarianism and Monarchy are the same nya~

prove it lol

>>100210

nigga I ain't reading that shit. my reading list is packed. give me a summary of the arguments or something

>>100226

>no counter argument

>random insult

And I mean random, where did you even got chink from?

>>100220

Well, the first pic is pretty damn stupid, as Christianity did not originate in Europe. It originated in the Middle East, and stayed there until the Mohammedan conquests hundreds of years later. It spread over Europe, yes, but also over North Africa, and further over the Middle East. It was never racially homogenous.

It's even more stupid when you consider that most white supremacists have a weird boner for the Scandinavians, who, however, came rather late to the party. The Mediterraneans, who are still derided by some white supremacists, were christianized early on, as were the Hebrews and Middle Easterners. The prototypical "Aryans", the Scandinavians, were still praying to their gay nigger gods when half the Middle East was Christian. it wasn't until later

I'm not even an anti-racist, but racialism as an ideology is pathetic. No one even manages to stay consistent with it. Just be a cultural chauvinist retard.

>>100222

Kek, that stuff is glorious though!