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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.100941

>communism doesn't wo-

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 No.100943

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>the gender pay gap

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 No.100944

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 No.100954

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>>100943

Male income = 0 rubles

Female income = 0 rubles

misc. genders income = 0 rubles

pay gap eliminated

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 No.100958

>>100941

>eliminated unemployment

I don't know about Russia, but in Romania at least, if you refused to work, then you get send to jail, where they will put you to work at gun point if needed.

A job was not a right, but an obligation to the state.

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 No.100959

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>>100941

>Raised X and Increased Y

Compared to what? During WWI/II or during the pre-war years when the church was raising literacy rates exponentially/keeping the poor living longer via their religion-based hospitals? I'm willing to bet the former.

>Eliminated Unemployment

That tends to happen when society is built around "you will work or you will be shot."

>Healthcare

The USSR disbanded the church-run hospitals and hired a bunch of hacks to bolster those church-run numbers. Bog whoop.

>Literacy

So did the rest of the fucking industrialized world more or less. Turns out most of your population doesn't need to read when they're serfs. Who'da thunk it? Stalin also explicitly executed anyone incapable of reading, especially the blind, since they couldn't read his propaganda.

>Something something education

The alternative was boot camp, a gulag, or a job that made you wish you were in a gulag according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor.

>Something something daycare

It was mandatory because the Babushkas kept teaching their children the bible and a caretaker could more easily spy on one's family, again according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor who was a principle for a major Soviet-era high school in the Moscow region.

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 No.100975

Most of those were accomplished by the west when it invented industrialism, of course when USSR copied industrialism without having to discover anything by trial and error or go through any growing pains it would happen a bit faster. Also they received food aid from the west for their entire existence, China receives various investments and even dollar for dollar aid to this day, despite being the 2nd largest economy. Imagine if America received money from the UN, it's that ridiculous.

>wage gap

Although I'll admit capitalism never solved imaginary problems.

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 No.100977

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>>100941

>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?

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 No.100983

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

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 No.100993

>>100958

same in communist poland

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