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No.103133
Will the U.S. ever declare its independence from Israel?
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No.103135
No. The US is doomed. It definitely won't exist in a century. Either another dark age is coming or (((they))) will move their fiscal power base to a more openly authoritarian country, leaving America to fracture and dissolve as the rotten structure collapses.
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No.103153
Best thing is to move off the grid like Uncle Ted did
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No.103190
America might die but liberty will never die. It's like a phoenix or a brainless zombie, the human soul intrinsically yearns for freedom from corrupted authority. No matter how you trample it under foot, it will rise again.
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No.103224
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No.103329
>>103190
Looks pretty dead to me.
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No.103391
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No.103449
>>103133
>Israel owns America
Its the other way around. Anyone who bitches about Israel like this outs themselves as either a retarded zoomer alt right faggot or an old neo nazi boomer or a muslim (all CAIR shills either way)
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No.103474
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No.103478
>>103449
You don't need to be aut-right to realize the disproportionate influence Israel has on foreign policy.
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No.103543
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No.103547
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No.103553
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No.103562
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No.103585
>>103547
>>103553
South Korea is the biggest spender on foreign lobbying in America
https://www.opensecrets.org/fara
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No.103587
>>103478
More like US has influence over Israel
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No.103596
>>103449
Go away /leftypol/
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No.103597
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No.103598
>>103587
Not even close
Europoors out>>>
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No.103621
>>103596
>actually thinking leftist and discord trannies like Israel
Do you guys realize they hate Israel just as much as aut right types, right?
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No.103622
>>103621
>/pol/ is nationalists who like socialism
>/leftypol/ is socialists who like nationalism
Yeah, doesn't change the fact that they're both two sides of the same leftist coin.
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No.103654
>>103622
They arent. Politics and ideology is a complex web with a lot of overlapping. All leftist hate Israel and a big thing since the days of the cold war was to support Palestine against Israel. This is why leftist/commie militias helped in murder of Israelis in events like the Munich Massacre or the Raid on Entebe.
You guys dont know that Israel ranks third behind South Korea in terms of foreign lobbying in America and you think that leftist love them for some reason. Take the time to wash to crap out of your brain from your /pol/ days
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No.103668
>>103654
>WE are the true leftists
>those other leftists aren't real leftists
I don't distinguish between different sorts of human trash. The mainstream left supports Israel, historically the Soviet Union supported it too and even helped in the creation of its state. Your niche stance is just an exception to that rule.
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No.103669
>>103133
No. The citizenry/descendants might, but the US as we know it will never declare its independence from Israel. Maybe when we stop being a useful pawn one day the possibility exists, I suppose.
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No.103670
>>103585
That's the thing, most lobby pressure in the name of Israel, wars for Israel, and monetary aid for Israel comes from within, from people with American citizenship. One of the perks of maintaining a strong diaspora with a strong in-group preference.
>>103654
>All leftist hate Israel
Except that's wrong, there are many who clearly don't. More to the point, those that don't are a supermajority inside the Overton window. Even the bleeding hearts, who want 'justice for Palestine,' just want the two peoples to kiss and make up and stop being mean to each other. Actual anti-semitism is pretty rare on the left, which shouldn't be surprising when one considers the sheet number of Jews within the family tree of leftist thought.
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No.103682
>>103668
>we
What are you talking about?
>The mainstream left supports Israel
No they don’t
>historically the Soviet Union supported it too and even helped in the creation of its state.
No they didn’t. You clearly are historically ignorant and have no clue what you are talking about. Leftist and commies have always hated Israel since its creation in the late 40s. All those Palestinian terrorist groups from the Cold War years were far left. Seriously, try spending a little time actually studying this instead of just repeating pol memes
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No.103683
>>103670
No anon, I’m right and you’re wrong. This is why you have nothing interesting to say.
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No.103697
>>103683
You realize that most mainstream liberals are not Soviets, yes?
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No.103702
>>103697
>he thinks liberals are leftist
cringe. Just stop posting now you dumb boomer.
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No.103707
>>103702
Oh, you're trying to do a no true scotsman. I see.
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No.103710
>>103707
That’s not it at all. It’s that liberals are literally not communist. You have no idea what’s going on
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No.103711
>>103710
And you're arbitrarily equating leftist with communist.
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No.103712
>>103711
>you're arbitrarily equating cat shit with dog shit
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No.103750
>>103712
cat shit and dog shit are not the same…
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No.103762
>>103711
Because Communist are left wing. Communist are not liberal though. You clearly have no fucking clue what youre talking about.
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No.103764
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-Zionism
http://www.berdichev.org/jewsinurss_b_5.htm
Communist and Soviets and Leftist have always been anti-Israel and anti-Zionist. I dont know why clueless zoomers believe that leftist love zionism and Israel. I guess its to do with their neo-nazi retardation
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No.103765
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>>103764
Heres a jewish pro Israeli guy discussing far left anti semitism
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No.103767
>>103765
There was the Jewish Bund, which were left wing Jewish groups in Eastern Europe in the late 1800s, but one of the planks of their ideology was being anti-zionist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Jewish_Labour_Bund
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No.103768
>>103764
Most leftists active in US politics are not communists, they're neoliberals. Neoliberals love Israel, and even the few who claim support for Palestine are still generally pro-Zion and support a compromise favorable to the Israelis. Most posters in this thread have not made the claim that communists are some kind of staunch Zionists. You merely purport that they have so that you might attack that position rather than the actual one. It's a strawman argument, and not altogether convincing.
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No.103770
>>103768
> Most posters in this thread have not made the claim that communists are some kind of staunch Zionists. You merely purport that they have so that you might attack that position rather than the actual one.
One of the responses I got after I called out the "Israel owns America" meme was telling me to go back to leftypol. Thats what set all this up. Its very clear that the alt right types view leftism as some sort of jewish trick, and therefore, they see zionism and leftist as the same thing. I was simply pointing out how wrong that is, thats it. I dont really care if someone likes Israel or not, I just dont like when people lie about politics or history just to fit their narrative.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/17/rep_ilhan_omar_defends_her_comment_accusing_israel_of_evil_doings_and_hypnotising_the_world.html
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No.103803
>>103622
/pol/ is variable, some are straight cappies
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No.103804
>>103710
You're right. classical liberals arent. Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals
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No.103809
>>103803
I feel like most of the pro-market /pol/acks have moved away from the board and don't lurk or post there all that often. Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.
>>103804
>Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals
Assuming you mean the old definition of neoliberal instead of the contemporary one (which may be defined as "blue neocon"), I wouldn't say that's really true. Neoliberals in the vein of Mises were more apathetic on social issues than they were socially left. They didn't virtue-signal for faggotry and didn't demand that people break freedom of association to accomadate it, they just didn't care enough to expend effort in opposing it. This attitude of apathy, however, created the environment that allowed the faggotphiliacs to gain influence.
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No.103811
>>103809
>Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.
Stupid question, but how could we possibly utilize this effect to turn something into an ancap circlejerk?
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No.103818
>>103811
How exactly would one purify spiral in ancap? It's already based on first principles that are followed without exception, caveat, or contradiction. It's rather hard to purity spiral when you've already taken your premises to the most radical conclusion (as Rand said: "Extremist? I am merely consistent in my convictions"). The only way we can really purity spiral from here is to start unironically advocating for ancap ball-tier interpretations of the NAP.
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