No.103798
I want some goddamn answers!
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No.103800
>the left hasn't claimed Keynes
You could have fooled me.
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No.103802
>>103800
Most I've met were Ricardians or Marxists
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No.103807
Does it matter? Both the left and right always do keynesianism anyway
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No.103808
>>103802
But all Keynesians that do exist (such as Paul Krugman) I've seen are firmly on the left, despite Marxism and Monkey Monetary Theory being in vogue these days.
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No.103812
>>103808
>But all Keynesians that do exist (such as Paul Krugman) I've seen are firmly on the left
Really?
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No.103814
>>103812
Bush is a crony capitalist. Not Keynesian
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No.103815
>>103812
Neocons are Trotskyites, ergo leftists.
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No.103816
>>103815
Isn't dirgisime usually associated with right wing politics?
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No.103817
>>103816
>central planning is right wing
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No.103820
>>103814
What's the difference?
>>103815
90% of people out there (probably more) would consider GWB to be right-wing.
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No.103823
>>103820
Good for them. I don't consider democratic consensus on to have bearing on the truth. Bush is further right than Elizabeth Warren and possibly Nancy Pelosi. But his policies and his Presidency weren't all that different qualitatively from his successor. He may be to the right compared to today's left, but that says more about today's left than it does about him. Neoconservativism is just progressivism driving at the moment speed limit. And once again, I should stress that the ideology is directly inspired by Leon Trotsky's ideas. And most people, probably 90%, agree that Trotsky was a leftist.
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No.103825
>>103823
>I should stress that the ideology is directly inspired by Leon Trotsky's ideas. And most people, probably 90%, agree that Trotsky was a leftist.
How so?
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No.103827
>>103825
After he got exiled, Trotsky started pushing his own thoughts on establishing the communist order more enthusiastically. TL;DR he believed that the optimal path to communism wasn't bureaucracy the way Lenin and Stalin thought, but an empowered imperial state which would "liberate" all the peoples of the world from their oppressive beliefs and impose communism upon them. Replace "communism" with "democracy", and you create the spitting image of neoconservatism today. The intellectual founders of neoconservatism–Irving Kristol, Nathan Glazer, Sidney Hook, and Albert Wohlstetter–were anti-Stalin leftists throughout the 30s and 40s. They just re-branded their anti-Stalinism as anti-communism, and got people to call them conservatives, despite being anything but.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2001/11/daniel-mccarthy/springtime-for-trotsky/
https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/neoconservatism-where-trotsky-meets-stalin-and-hitler/
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No.103836
>>103823
I get what you're going for, it really is shit that the Overton Window has shifted so fucking far that people formerly considered on the better half of Trotsky are right-wing, but:
1 - That hasn't happened recently.
2 - The meaning of words do change and are unfortunately dictated by the mass of people.
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No.103859
Would Hitler's economic policies be considered Keynesian? I remember early on FDR admired Hitler and Mussolini's economic policies.
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No.103863
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>103859
The krauts probably weren't harping on about the money multiplier or the velocity of money, but in all practical respects, yes. They circulated fiat currency into existence as a debt to be paid back by citizens in the future, spent it all on makework infrastructure, and pointed to the now-inflated GDP as sign of success. These are all pretty textbook Keynesian strategies. Although the NatSocs took Keynesianism one step further than the actual Keynesians with a couple new tricks. First is the manner in which they plundered newly-annexed territory to cover debts back home. Second is their creation of MEFO bills. Not content with merely inflating the Reichsmark, the Reich issued these industrial promissory notes as well, similar to Lincoln"s greenbacks. They played a shell game with these two currencies, constantly shuffling debt from one to the other in order to hide the extent of inflation. Ironically, this is perhaps the most Jewish monetary scheme I've ever seen, and it came from the NatSocs.
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No.103923
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No.103981
>>103798
>social democrats
nobody likes them, ever
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No.103982
>>103981
so why are they winning elections in most european states?
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No.104116
>>103982
Because most people don't want to vote away social programs despite not having the people to pay for them.
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No.104188
>>104116
but they are wining so socialdemocrats are in power so they are liked probably
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No.104195
>>103798
> why does nobody want cancer?
question answers itself. nobody in their right mind would want to be held accountable for the retard, who suggested burying money, and giving poor people jobs digging it up.
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No.104201
>>104195
What exactly am I looking at here?
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No.104203
>>104201
you talking about the webm?
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No.104204
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No.104209
>>104204
Just a dancing shadman webm, I forgot where I found it.
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No.104211
>>104195
Damn, someone teach me how to dance like the shadman.
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No.104231
>>103982
>>104188
they "win" because corrupt political machines drive out any alternatives
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No.104246
>>104211
Shadman is the personification of ancap ideals. Making money off of what he wants to do, irregardless of what anti loli moralfags, his own audience who just want porn instead of comedy comics, and the FBI, have to say.
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No.104247
>>104246
If I see him in my traditionally minded covenant community, he's going to be physically removed vis-a-vis, so to speak.
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No.105550
The left embraces keynes without reservation
it's either that or mmt
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No.105554
>>104246
he cucked out and said he's never going draw loli again. he also deleted a bunch of stuff off his web site.
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No.105559
>>105554
He also turned into one of those artists who just draws the same thing over and over again. (Lesbian ass worship)
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No.105573
>>105554
Well that's unfortunate. He's not even in a country where he has to care, right?
Were all the pictures he removed the ones inspired by real people (Keemstar's daughter, LtCorbis, some others I can't care to remember)?
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No.105853
>>103863
So in other words, fighting the Jews using statism will and must result in using the same Jewish strategies? That's actually rather profound.
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