No.98545 [View All]
Why has capitalism lost the ideological battle AGAINAND AGAINoh and also that other timerepeatedlythroughout historywe never seem to learn? The younger generation is now majority commie ( https://archive.is/W2jEr ). I mean, dear lord, I'm not even sure this board has a majority of capitalist posters anymore. What the fuck happened? Why can't capitalism defend itself ideologically? And how the fuck do I prepare for the breadlines under the neo-bolshevik uprising? Something more useful than "Grab SK, go inna woods" or "go workout/be stoic" pls.
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No.101569
>>101567
Not to mention if I remember correctly this isnt even an ancap board its just anarchy or libertarian in general so other interpretations of liberties seem to go against the boards purposes
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No.101570
>other interpretations of liberties seem to go against the boards purposes
Dont seem to sorry
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No.101571
>>101568
>Eh just ignore it then not like you cant still discuss stuff with other ancaps
There exists this concept called "scarcity," closely related to something called "opportunity cost." Time I spend filtering through commie scum, or entertaining big-brain centrist doubleposting faggots, is time I'm not spending on more productive endeavors. Every commie thread on the front page is a thread that could have been a useful thread on the front page.
>So illiterate ancoms arent too much of a big deal to me.
Considering your aversion to good punctuation, I wouldn't imagine you to be averse to any bunch of illiterates.
>right wing authoritarian facsists calling themselves libertarian anyways
Vid related, it's you.
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No.101572
>>101571
Lol k sory for por punc*tution and you take this imageboard shit to seriously go make *an ancap board if it really bugs you ^cause iirc this isnt an ancap board….:";;;
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No.101592
>>101571
>le murdoch murdoch cartoon
post immediately trashed
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No.103058
>>100308
Very much agreed. You can argue perfectly on these anonymous boards and some self-appointed scholar will bring up the very same criticisms the very next day, as though they were his idea, and will be just as impervious to reason as the last guy. There's an overpowering sense that the internet rhetoric is a waste of time, because it is.
The key isn't education or internet arguments: it's marketing. We've got to sell liberty, like for money. We've got to sell people things that undermine the state, and keep the politics out of the advertising. When people do it because it's cheap, convenient, and safe, they'll invent justifications after the fact for why what they're doing is the right thing. All we really care about is that they do it, and that's much easier than trying to change their beliefs.
Besides, I find rhetoric to be much more effective in person. I've found that I can actually convert people slowly over time if I have the chance to make them feel listened to and show them how their concerns are much better addressed through liberty than through the state.
>>100317
I've got ideas but still lack the technical skills to implement them. Hopefully the technology I'm trying to build will make economic civil disobedience convenient, financially attractive, and fairly safe.
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No.103502
>>103058
Your idea sounds interesting. Could you go more into it?
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No.103510
>>103058
>The key isn't education or internet arguments: it's marketing. We've got to sell liberty, like for money. We've got to sell people things that undermine the state, and keep the politics out of the advertising. When people do it because it's cheap, convenient, and safe, they'll invent justifications after the fact for why what they're doing is the right thing. All we really care about is that they do it, and that's much easier than trying to change their beliefs.
Exactly! That's what I always tell everyone. We should a) completely ignore ideological outsiders, b) spam them with screencaps and pre-cooked arguments (memes), or c) tell them to read a fucking book if they're really interested like how leftypol does. The more we take them seriously, the more we exhaust our mental energy, when we could be using it to argue and discuss important plans, strategies and concepts among ourselves. I'm guilty of this myself, and for every minute I spend arguing with some retard, I could use the time to earn money and do something useful with it to support the cause, or to at least make the same argument in a meme that could be reposted later to save time.
Just imagine, it takes a subhuman five minutes to wander in, take a shit on the board, and leave, but it takes 10 ancaps 30 minutes and a combined time of 5 hours to reply to the animal and explain how it's all wrong. Imagine what could have been done with that time! On the internet, time and attention are the currency, and we shouldn't give it to just any nigger out there if we want to get anywhere, there must be argumentational standards.
>I've got ideas but still lack the technical skills to implement them
Same here. The future belongs to the programmer caste.
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No.103514
>>103058
I agree, trying to convince people on the other side to change their beliefs is much more difficult. However, internet arguments are as much about the bystanders as they are about the person you're arguing with.
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No.103516
>>103514
The thing is, arguments that appeal to the lowest common denominator will also apply to more intellectual bystanders.
We should fish with a net, and not a rod. Good strategy always beats good tactics.
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No.103519
>>103510
That is why I think we should always screencap good arguments, whether they are ours or from others. A good thread can easily be made into a good meme.
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No.103523
>>103519
I completely agree, we should all start doing this from now on.
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No.103548
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No.103555
>>103548
No, because you're still using Yotsuba B like a pleb.
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No.103608
>>98580
>Autistic
Better than a rich faggot with 666 pronouns.
The majority is stupid but I don't believe the rest of that hogwash
Go bomb a university if you want real change.
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No.103609
Also being tolerant of anything is gay
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No.103611
>>98587
somewhat true. women's nature to be peace loving, degenerate cretins is why true progress can't happen.
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No.103743
>>98545
>why does collectivism keep winning
It's all about the changing demographics of the West. Brown people love to steal the money of productive white men. The same goes for white women. They also don't really care for complex abstractions like freedom, gun-rights or free expression.
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No.103748
>>103611
yes women want peace even though they imported milions of illiterate savages to europe who are disrupting peace
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No.103781
>>103748
Competing priorities. They do want peace, but they also want to virtue signal on twitter about how good people they are, and want lots of masculine, young men in their countries to inflate the value of their roastbeef.
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No.103782
>>103748
They like to pretend they're helping people by voting to subsidize them with money that isn't their own
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No.103783
>>103781
What's with this closet cuck fetishist mindset of assuming all women just want to get SANDED by migrants? A far more reasonable explanation is that the virtue signaling cat ladies have displaced maternal sympathy onto muh poor, needy refugees.
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No.103785
>>103782
how do we change it?
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No.103791
>>103783
>What's with this closet cuck fetishist mindset of assuming all women just want to get SANDED by migrants?
We're going off-topic, but you're deluded if you think that isn't part of why they're so gung-ho about letting in hordes of alpha, young men.
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No.103793
>>103791
>alpha, young men
>alpha
God, will you ever stop being such cucks? Why is that I feel embarassed we YOU are the ones making a mockery of yourselves?
Imagine being so intimidated by sandniggers that you consider them "alpha".
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No.103794
>>101072
I dunno maybe because it's more socially acceptable to wear Che shirts than Pinochet shirts?
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No.103795
>>103783
I don't assume anything except women make shit decisions when not under the guidance of a man
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No.103796
>>101188
Pretty sound answer
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No.103797
>>101027
Isn't that just Nick Land?
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No.103799
>>103791
>penniless third-worlder dune coons
>can't succeed in home shithole so they come running West, hands out
>alpha
These are your words and your obsession, not mine.
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No.103819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfhseUDFI04
This video made me realize why Capitalism keeps losing the ideological war. Every time we've had a chance for a capitalist revolution and to actually establish freedom from the State's interference in the economy and other human affairs, our movements became normalized and "our leaders" became the next politicians. Just look at the American Revolutionary War (1776). A movement for freedom and liberty begins: when they win the war for independence, within 8 years, they're already putting down tax rebellions (see: whiskey rebellion).
I know GamerGate is a dead movement, but I think there is a lot to learn from its failure. It failed because it lost its edge. Because they got too comfy. We failed multiple times, because we got too comfy.
We have to use the political strategies that statists use. They're not statist strategies, since there is nothing inherently statist about them. It's not unprincipled to use them. It's just the strategies that work. When the statists try to appease us and give us an inch, we take a mile; we take ten, we take whatever we can. Every time the state fails, we capitalize on it. We mock and unrelentingly attack. We don't need to prove our points (see: pic related). We just need to mock statist fallacies. By making the statists look foolish, the masses will naturally sway to our side. But we can never ever take a break or lose our edge; because that's how a movement stagnates and dies.
As one anon put it:
>I think one other reason is the edge factor. A big part of NatSoc ideas, especially the species found on imageboards, is edgy contrarianism and priding oneself on being as anti-normie as possible. Thing is, "auction off the national parks, give McNukes to mercenaries, and remove the undesirables from private property" will always be edgier than "what we have now but /ourguys/ are in power, no interest rates, and maybe less crime," and they're eternally buttmad about that fact. It's why they keep trying to portray libertarians as passive live-and-let-live types that are terrified of "collectivism," NEETSocs are trying to meme it into reality so they can call themselves the chief edgelords uncontested.
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No.103821
>>103819
>Every time we've had a chance for a capitalist revolution and to actually establish freedom from the State's interference in the economy and other human affairs, our movements became normalized and "our leaders" became the next politicians.
There's an episode of Kino's Journey where one of the countries she visits bans books. It turns out that the 'punishment' for those who are caught running underground book publishing is that they have to be the censors and bureaucrats who enforce the law to ban books. At first, they jump at the 'chance' to be the ones to enforce it, but within a year they always become corrupted by that power and end up being just as terrible a censor as the rest.
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No.103822
>>103821
>At first, they jump at the 'chance' to be the ones to enforce it, but within a year they always become corrupted by that power and end up being just as terrible a censor as the rest.
Reminds me of a story about Zhuangzi:
>King Wei of Chu, having heard of the ability of Chuang Chau, sent messengers with large gifts to bring him to his court, and promising also that he would make him his chief minister. Chuang-Tze, however, only laughed and said to them, "A thousand ounces of silver are a great gain to me; and to be a high noble and minister is a most honorable position. But have you not seen the victim-ox for the border sacrifice? It is carefully fed for several years, and robed with rich embroidery that it may be fit to enter the Grand Temple. When the time comes for it to do so, it would prefer to be a little pig, but it can not get to be so. Go away quickly, and do not soil me with your presence. I had rather amuse and enjoy myself in the midst of a filthy ditch than be subject to the rules and restrictions in the court of a sovereign. I have determined never to take office, but prefer the enjoyment of my own free will."
The lesson I take from this is to never be so arrogant as to think you can be the one to handle power. Power corrupts all. The only way to win is to not play.
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No.103824
>>103819
Good input anon, I have yet to check out the video though.
>Thing is, "auction off the national parks, give McNukes to mercenaries, and remove the undesirables from private property" will always be edgier than "what we have now but /ourguys/ are in power, no interest rates, and maybe less crime,"
Our strategy should be quite simple: as an ancap, you need to hone the ability to boil down extremely hard concepts into short impactful sentences. Picture it this way: The second you start explaining anything, you already lost. Never explain shit to normalfags unless they specifically ask you to, and never try to convince people, because that only puts their defences up, since deep down these people know how susceptible they really are.
Do you ever wonder why there's so many boomerpilled centrists out there? Most people simply don't know what's right or wrong, and they are terrified of deciding. The fact is (according to Jungian depth psychology) that only about 10% of the population is made up of rational "thinkers" and these are the sort of people who are mostly likely to become libertarians, 40% is made up of normalfags who are very skeptical and follow only the rest of the herd or those who are more confident than they are, and the rest is made up of people who either turn the personal into the political or follow what their emotions dictate. Most people are simply not rational, objective thinkers, it is not their role as human beings to "think", it is our role to do the heavy-lifting for them and to break it down into something easy for them to handle. If we are unable to this the movement will be taken over by the passive liberal cucks who ARE willing to do it, just like how things are right now.
If you're a typical normalfag and someone is explaining free markets to you, it's the same as someone dropping a 100kg boulder into your arms, most people are not willing to do that kind of of intellectual weightlifting, it's scary for them because they feel like it's so complicated that no one may ever really know what's right or wrong, after all, people spend 4 years at universities studying this shit, and even after all that, they wonder if it's really worth knowing all that.
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No.103833
>>103822
Nice story.
>The lesson I take from this is to never be so arrogant as to think you can be the one to handle power. Power corrupts all. The only way to win is to not play.
How do you feel about voting?
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No.103838
>>103833
Voting is retarded because you can never trust the people you vote for. If someone is running for political office, they are either misguided or a shill (see: Adam Kokesh).
It's also the most cucked way to feel like you're causing change without actually doing anything: you have no way of knowing that they actually count the vote, no assurance that the system would even let them do the changes they promise if they even get elected, and you have to waste your free time studying up on the candidates and then going out to vote for them. That time could have been spent much more practically.
Who are you even going to vote for? The current FPTP electoral system limits you to the two most popular parties to normalniggers (and we all know how "free" those parties usually are) unless you want to vote for a third-party who don't have a chance in hell of winning.
The only strategy I've ever thought of is using an election as a way to get your message across to the public, not to win (after all: change doesn't start in the voting booth, it starts in the hearts and minds of the public). I've often daydreamed about running for political office on the platform of: "Don't vote, period" in order to spread the message of liberty, but I have little faith that would actually work and no way to see if I'm actually causing change, since if the voter turnout rates are concerning, they can just be doctored to quell any revolutionary fervor in the public.
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No.103840
>>103838
You're consistent.
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No.103841
>>103838
Voting is a valid self-defense mechanism. You can't seriously trust anyone you vote for, but you can predict with reasonable confidence who will tax you more, and who will violate your freedom to associate most often. Therefore, in order to buy yourself additional time to prepare for pursuing politics by other means you can expend a minimal amount of effort to vote for the least bad option.
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No.103849
>>103502
Something like OpenBazaar (a peer-to-peer blockchain-based marketplace) but specifically for insurance. There are a number of features I'd like to implement, but the idea is that anybody can insure anything, and the state can't regulate it, can't tax it, and can't even prove who's using it.
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No.103850
>>103849
Dude, if anyone could get cryptoinsurance to work, that shit sounds mundane, but it would be so powerful that people would try to shut it down so fucking fast. If you really sit down and think through its ramifications, that's the sort of tech that could bring down governments.
For example, you set up a service to insure tax evaders.
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No.103856
Please listen to me！Japanese government permit terrorism！
Japan is famous for sloppy management of electromagnetic wave.
Japanese society Has become serious thing behind the scenes.
Electromagnetic wave is secret globally.
But Japan can`t take a cooperative attitude In the field of electromagnetic wave use.
Because some of Japanese abusing it that state secret.
They slander Japan and Japanese people and other country(America and others), and attack and threaten people,suggest that murder,Threaten to kill,using electromagnetic wave all of them.
They are antisocial terrorists with state power.
But they feel at ease.
Cause Japanese government permit terrorism！
It seems like Japanese government don`t have the motivation to prevent terrorism！
Apparently many Japanese take part in crime and playing that abusing state secret.There is a possibility that they supporting to terrorists.
Do they have awareness that it is own country？
Even though they are Japanese, it`s irresponsible!!
Who will clean up after them?
I know that they are so crazy. Because I have spent with them every day by policy.
They talk to my brain directly with communication all day and all year around！
They say
「Drop dead!」「I kill you」
「Kxll American army」
「Kixl policemen」
「Kxll child by running over」「Show me penis」
「commit terrorist acts」「This is terrorism.I have to do what was said」
「This is retaliation of Japan」「We are famous in America」
「His Majesty the Empe●or is here！(Ten●uheika)」
「I`m dissatisfied.Cause you are America」
「Hey white brother」「I hate white」
「Drop dead white」「You are trash of white society」
「Are you hate white? If you say ”I hate white”,I'll forgive」
「Kanada seems to regard to you with disfavor.」
「Seibu`s tsutsumi」「Apologize to seibu」
「Seibu will ki●l」
「Seibu`s oldman is doing」
「Seibu`s playground」
「Seibu is not end, but it’s all over for me.」(What is Seibu？I don`t know.)
「I kxxl Shi○zou Abe」「This is Jewish！」
「We don`t have to take responsibility」
and the others・・・
They tell terrible things to me. And they using some name of authority.
They instigate me to terrorist attack.
It seems like they are dissatisfied with society.They take it out on me.
They harass me when I living. In defecation and sex and dangerous work and bedtime and the others・・・
I think it`s a limit of a single person and the general public. It is so bad degree.
And they abusing child and animal with avatar(electromagnetic wave).Sometimes use violence on me with avatar.
And they playing pretend of homeless and handicapped person with avatar.
And they don`t care about avatar`s body. Sometimes they don`t make them wear protection helmet and mask in dangerous work. And when I driving a car, they always make avatar come near me on purpose.
There are many people who don`t know the common sense in Japanese authorities.
They are shame of Japan,but I think that should not forgive their action for society.
This is international problem.
It seems like they are dissatisfied with America.
But I think that Japan needs strict supervision for the maintenance of peace by advanced country.
In Japan, it is terrible human rights violations with electromagnetic wave by authorities.
It is doing in many people for one person confidentially. I want American people to know it.
We should keep a lookout for human rights violations.
And many Japanese people Pass the buck to me,but they making money by fake news referring to these problem！
And Japan failed education for authority.
This is Japan`s reality .Who will clean up after them?
Please know the name of Japanese terrorists.
Please share this information in each country！！
Please help Japanese people and avatar.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Ichirou Matsushita
※These are Imagmation.I am afraid of Japanese government and Japanese law. I never know what the government will do next.Please be watchful.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011294221985
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No.103857
>>98545
Do you know japanese rich yard?
Some of Japanese capitalists are fucking crazy！They are increase selfish person(psychopath) in the world. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011294221985
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No.103858
>>103819
That video is damn good. After the 2016 election I realized it was a mistake to vote for Johnson. McAffee would've been better since he is ballsy and owns how ballsy he is.
>>103841
I sort of feel like this regarding local elections. National elections your vote doesn't matter that much. But on the local level that stuff affects me directly. So voting on the local level would be preferable.
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No.103864
>>103858
I thought the whales owned how ballsy he was?
>National elections your vote doesn't matter that much.
Policy-wise perhaps not so much, but just as important as policy is the influence that the government has on a culture. The Oval Office's most potent weapon is its status as a bully pulpit. BLM wouldn't have gained an appreciable amount of influence on the national level were it not for Obreezy's rhetoric in the wake of Trayvon Martin and similar incidents. Universal healthcare wouldn't be as prominent an issue on the national stage, either. Despite losing control of of Congress relatively early in his tenure, he managed to shift the Overton window a fair ways leftward through the bully pulpit. Even if he can't pass a single policy, the President retains a powerful tool in his ability to instantly have the entire media place microphones and cameras in front of him, whenever he wishes.
To that end, even if you think policy is is irrelevant, who sits in the Oval Office is significant. I'd much rather the influencer of culture be an unabashedly forthright businessman telling Americans they need to be great, stand up for their own success, and so on, over some socialist dinosaur constantly telling us our biggest problems are money and white people.
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No.103905
>>98550
It'd be good if we could just shut the fuck up and stop polarizing. Absolute capitalism with no regulations just leads to monopolies and less freedom, pure state socialism just outright kills freedom, the answer? State run companies within the free market, and a choice on what you pay your taxes towards, therefore allowing the people to control the budget. That's my shitty 2 cents anyway.
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No.103908
>>103905
You're never going to not be polarize in a mass democracy. The more power the state has the more inevitable polarization becomes, as the federal government becomes that much more bigger a prize to win.
>Absolute capitalism with no regulations just leads to monopolies and less freedom
That's objectively wrong, but this isn't the thread to have that argument. Most of the catalog is filled with elaborations as to why it's wrong.
>State run companies within the free market
That's what we have now and it's a shithole.
>and a choice on what you pay your taxes towards, therefore allowing the people to control the budget.
First, it's wishful thinking to believe that "the people" ever have power in a democracy. They are vote and tax cattle, and the incentives of democracy are such that this is all they will ever be. Second, if you really want "the people" to choose how they spend their money, you'd take out the coercive and highly inefficient middleman of the state and allow them to spend their own money directly. You can know, by choosing what products to buy and what not to buy. If you don't believe they're capable of doing it this, then you don't actually want "the people" to have control over the their own lives. If you don't actually value "the people" spending their own money how they see fit, then the whole premise behind allowing them to decide on line items in the budget is rendered irrelevant.
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No.103911
>>103908
>First, it's wishful thinking to believe that "the people" ever have power in a democracy.
You make a good point, I'mma go sit in the corner and think for a bit.
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No.103918
>>103908
>that much more bigger
My apologies for typing like a retard.
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No.103940
>>103850
That was exactly the idea. IRS insurance would be so lucrative and powerful. Plus DEA and ATF insurance. Plus, since it's peer-funded, it's basically an investment account outside of the government's reach. It could form a financial backbone fit a whole new services market. Provide ways for insurers to hire liability limitation professionals, and eventually people can hire private security forces to protect themselves from the state, though that won't come for a while.
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>>103822
>The lesson I take from this is to never be so arrogant as to think you can be the one to handle power. Power corrupts all.
I take it as those who seek power tend to be already be corrupt rather than those who take power become corrupt.
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