No.103826
You know, I'm getting rather annoyed with the "Hoppe is a Nahtzee" shpiel of leftists and mainstream-style libertarians. However, I think it can mostly be attributed to the whole "physical removal of leftists and gays" thing.
1) Just because something is legal, doesn't mean that it is sanctioned. Too many times, I've seen the statists deploy the whole "oh you want x legalized, therefore you must want to do it" fallacy. Besides, market pressure would likely keep there from being a giant purge of gays and leftists. As a private community, you are competing with all other private communities for customers (tenants). If you acquire a reputation for Expelling your clients, people are going to go elsewhere. Anti-gay and anti-leftist communities would likely be a minority, catering to a niche market.
2) "Physical removal" ≠ death, or even injury, unless the physically removed is violently resisting. Physical removal begins with asking nicely and upwards of 90% of the time will end with asking nicely. If someone has been on your property with your consent and refrained from violating the NAP, there's not really any good reason to violently evict them unless they've proved resistant.
3)People who hold extreme and violent viewpoints (e.g. leftists, totalitarians, etc) are usually irrational, given the extreme mental gymnastics any sane person would have to perform to hold those ideologies. However, as we've seen, these ideologies have had success, but mostly coming to power by force or manipulation, and rule by terror. Thus, it is safe to say that retributory behaviour against the holders of these beliefs, rather than the free market of ideas (which assumes rationality and a willingness to play by the rules), is justifiable. Communists, given their ideology, will likely respond violently to eviction, thus opening them up to retaliatory measures (death, dismemberment, whatever). Communists will thus be forced to either renounce their ideology, cower in the shadows, or perish, thus eliminating the threat they pose to freedom.
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No.103828
>>103826
>You know, I'm getting rather annoyed with the "Hoppe is a Nahtzee" shpiel of leftists and mainstream-style libertarians.
Then I suggest you get used to being annoyed. Such rhetoric is not going to stop anytime soon. If you oppose the globo homo establishment, you are a "nazi", and you will forever remain a "nazi". This classification doesn't come from genuine confusion or any other good-faith source. Trying to tell people, "actually, we're not really nazis" will do nothing to wash away your cardinal sin of stepping outside the overton window.
>if you acquire a reputation for Expelling your clients, people are going to go elsewhere. Anti-gay and anti-leftist communities would likely be a minority, catering to a niche market.
I doubt it would be nearly as niche as you suggest. If you acquire a reputation for accepting undesirable clients, your reputable, money-making clientele will go elsewhere. A hotel which allows the homeless to loiter in the lobby will be far less successful than one which removes them with imputiny. Likewise, covenant communities, if they wish for long-term success, will be obliged to expel sexual deviants, criminal populations, subversive elements, and any other group or individual which reduces the community's cohesion or undermines its member's in-group preference. People will self-segregate into homogeneous communities and peacebly trade from a distance. Those peoples who are not desirable anywhere–such as flamboyant homosexuals, migrant thieves (think gypsies), and the like–will be expelled from all communities and blacklisted from all businesses, relegated to low-income slums far away from civilized men. Private communities compete on being discriminatory just as much as they do through mass-appeal. So long as an individual is sure that he isn't in any of these undesirable groups, he will give discriminatory landlords his business without fear. With enthusiasm, in fact, for he is secure in the knowledge that his community's homogeneity will be unchallenged.
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No.103829
Libertarianism is only a defensible political philosophy when it does entail removing fags, Jews, and niggers as in a Hoppean covenant community.
You both are ignoring the fact that our virtue signaling moment is only possible because of state interventionism. The desire for customers to shop and live free from degenerates would undoubtedly outweigh the liberal impulse to boycott naughty right wing shops.
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No.103830
>>103829
>You both are ignoring the fact that our virtue signaling moment is only possible because of state interventionism. The desire for customers to shop and live free from degenerates would undoubtedly outweigh the liberal impulse to boycott naughty right wing shops.
>both
I don't believe I ignored that. That's the exact point I was getting at, in fact. Discrimination will not just be allowed but encouraged by the unrestricted market.
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No.103831
>>103829
Libertarianism is an end to itself, nigger.
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No.103832
>>103830
I'm reading that you think anti degenerate communities would be niche and looked down upon by the majority, I'm saying that the opposite would occur. Gay communities would be the minority and their moral neighbors would shun them.
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No.103834
>>103832
No, that's what OP said. My post >>103828 was saying the opposite of that, and saying essentially what you just said:
>Gay communities would be the minority and their moral neighbors would shun them.
Here's a direct quote from my original post:
>covenant communities, if they wish for long-term success, will be obliged to expel sexual deviants, criminal populations, subversive elements, and any other group or individual which reduces the community's cohesion or undermines its member's in-group preference
>Those peoples who are not desirable anywhere–such as flamboyant homosexuals, migrant thieves (think gypsies), and the like–will be expelled from all communities and blacklisted from all businesses, relegated to low-income slums far away from civilized men
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No.103837
>>103834
My twice mistake. I misread the first time but IDs could have helped for the second.
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No.103924
He's got some decent ideas but he's a horrible economist
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No.103925
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No.104029
>>103925
He wants poor people, even poor whites to die. Bad ideology with no end in sight except absolute egoism
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No.104030
To put it bluntly, rich people tend to be bigger degenerates than poor folks
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No.104032
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No.104034
>>104029
>[X right-wing person] wants poor people to die
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No.104035
>>104030
Depends entirely on how much healthcare/bad choices are subsidized by the state, but I'll give you that one in the context of a free market.
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No.104051
>You know, I'm getting rather annoyed with the "Hoppe is a Nahtzee" shpiel of leftists and mainstream-style libertarians. However, I think it can mostly be attributed to the whole "physical removal of leftists and gays" thing.
Somewhat, OP - but his "degenerate art" rants were flat-out copypasta'd, so….
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No.104087
>>104032
No argument huh? Better luck next time I guess.
>>104034
I'm talking about poor whites
>>104035
Obviously
>>104051
Art is subjective. I do power electronics and listen to loads of different music. It's not even up for argument. If libertarians were consistent, you don't like feminist trash art? Don't buy it, don't watch, don't give it clicks or money. Freedom of choice.
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No.104088
>>104087
>No argument huh? Better luck next time I guess.
I don't argue with strawmen, I let bots do that for me. Here you go, social justice warrior.
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No.104090
>>104087
>Art is subjective
Art quality is very much objective and measured against objective standards. Only enjoyment of it is subjective.
>If libertarians were consistent, you don't like feminist trash art? Don't buy it, don't watch, don't give it clicks or money. Freedom of choice.
Point to where a libertarian said he wanted to ban "feminist trash art."
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