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No.102816
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No.102817
Imagine being the type of person who thinks that a post like this >>102816 is a compelling argument.
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No.102818
>>102817
>hurr durr le Austrian economics knows best
you're a cultist
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No.102819
>>102818
>hurr durr le bearded hobo knows best
>hurr durr le failed artist knows best
Fuck off, cultist.
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No.102820
>>102817
Some posts are just people acknowledging that they've read their posts or reacting. Not everything is an argument.
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No.102823
>>102820
Narcissism. This isn't twitter.
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No.102873
>>102817
>>102823
Imagine losing your shit this easily.
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No.102896
>>102823
You must be fun at parties.
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No.102897
>>102808
>but it could still be decades before we reach that inevitability.
The U.S. federal deficit was greater than $1 trillion last I heard. I don't understand how this can continue much longer.
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No.102902
>>102897
Deficits don't matter because the government can just print more money. Most people don't understand the mechanism behind inflation anyways so if they notice anything they'll blame business owners and capitalism for their reduced purchasing power instead of the government. This will basically continue until it is as the MMTers say: the government effectively owns everything (because it has stolen it) and grants you the privilege of accessing what once was your own wealth via friendly, cuddly social programs.
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No.102914
>>102896
LOL! Have sex incel :)
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No.102923
Does anyone want to share any liberty-minded sites? Not mises.org, because the last time they were producing neat content was about a decade ago. I've basically been stuck on the Liberty Report, and can't really find much else of content that I would consider 'good' anymore.
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No.102941
>>102923
Recently, I've been listening to a libertarian podcast called the Moral Minority. They seem like cool guys though I think they could be more concise when speaking. https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-moral-minority
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No.102972
>>102798
>>102871
>>102854
>>102968
…I think I'm going to stay over at /monarchy/ for a while until this clears up :/.
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No.102975
>>102923
Another good podcast is So To Speak, by Jared Howe. It's not explicitly libertarian, but it tackles geopolitics from an Austrian and realist perspective.
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No.102988
In a figurative Ancapistan:
How many employees is a owner allowed to kill during the process strike busting? All of them? Are corporations and lobbyists allowed to prosecute Labour Unions to start with to avoid such practice using a set of Hoppeain or Pinochetian-minarchist ethics or are they obligged to use rothbardian ethics?
Some interesting reading material:
https://medium.com/@Gustavoschneider1/the-concept-of-pinochetian-minarchism-ab5131af778a
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No.102990
>>102988
This is probably going to get a lot of different answers.
>How many employees is a owner allowed to kill during the process strike busting? All of them?
It depends. Are the employees merely standing on the owner's property and refusing to leave? In that case it may be justifiable to remove them from the property using physical force, but use of lethal force is questionable. Are they attacking other employees to prevent them from getting to work, or initiating the use of force against the employer? That's a different story.
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No.103017
Is worldwide balkanization best for liberty? Like the US balkanizes into smaller countries, China balkanizes, Russia balkanizes and so on. Through the destruction of larger states we get smaller states that could balkanize as well. Is this a good way to achieve freedom?
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No.103018
>>103017
Yes. The less centralization of power in the hands of the state, the better.
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No.103019
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No.103021
How do I install Rise of the Reds? Shit doesn't work probably because its pirated. Fucking cucks
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No.103022
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Would the humans prosper more under anarco captalism over the fascism they had?
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No.103049
I feel like there are a lot of 'problems' today that can be solved by just…having a little bit of patience. But instead they just immediately get blamed on the market. Examples:
- Identity politics: trans people have insanely high suicide rates, let alone shittons of medical problems that, and I don't exactly expect a patriarchy-fighting soyboy feminist to be reproducing a whole lot.
- Tech censorship: this is one of those things that I hear a lot about, but don't really feel affected by one bit because of all the alternatives. I guess some people want more, better, and faster content; but if these same people could wait a couple years, I'm pretty sure that will happen on its own.
Likewise for other economic or political problems, I feel like they're going to get solved if one just has a bit of patience instead of immediately throwing out all one's principles out of the window and jumping on the "Ban this, regulate that," bandwagon. Sort of like how Standard Oil didn't have a monopoly, and was already rapidly losing marketshare when it got hit by antitrust legislation.
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No.103067
>>103017
Balkanization or secession is always good for liberty. If the seeding territory is more free (e.g. Texas secedes), freedom minded people can live there and reap the benefits. If the seceding territory is less free (e.g. California secedes), the original territory is now free from the corrupting influence of its population, and will enjoy greater freedom as a result.
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No.103072
>>103049
I agree with you regarding the tech censorship stuff. The alternatives need time to build themselves up.
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No.103090
Children and babies have certain rights because they have the potential to develop into intelligent agents, correct? So if in the future we develop a way to uplift animals to human-level intelligence would we need to treat every single unintelligent animal as though they had rights, like a baby? Also, would it be ethical to treat retards who did not have the potential to develop self-awareness as animals rather than humans?
Related to this, why is it considered unethical to torture animals?
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No.103108
We're already quickly reaching a state of affairs where with 3D printers, you could use a replicator to Star Trek up a gun. As technology progresses, I would see that access to more and more complicated, advanced, and much more 'life-threatening' equipment could be obtained. In other words, it's probably a technological inevitability that someone will be able to 'print a nuke.' Given that, I see a lot of people's objections to McNukes to be not only non-arguments, but really arguments in favor of ancaps. I mean, we have to eventually have some sort of political institutions and ways of affairs for the mass public to have access to such things anythings.
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No.103129
Let's make some predictions, I'll start:
The U.S. is going to go to war with Iran, all the MSM outlets will cheer and say how this ‘vindicates the Trump presidency,’ and everyone’s protests will mean completely nothing and fail to stop anything.
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No.103130
>>103129
A Democratic politicain will complain about our reliance on fossil fuels because one of the oil tankers leaked oil into the ocean as it sunk.
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No.103168
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No.103170
>>103129
In Amerimuttland. A Democrat will win the 2020 elections.
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No.103174
>>103129
Don't neocons worry about the debt at all? Seriously, where does Bolton think the money for these foreign adventures come from?
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No.103178
>>103174
Those foreign adventures are the reason they don't worry about debt. If you maintain the petrodollar and remain the international lender of last resort, why worry about debt at all? You can just print more money and export the inflation overseas, by the time anyone feels the effects you're out of office and it's someone else's problem. And so long as you are able to threaten deviations from muh petroshekel by threatening military force against anyone who tries to trade oil for currency other than dollars, you remain lender of last resort.
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No.103204
>>103108
Here's some cringy fanfiction.
Some people might have referred to Lars Wenderson as an eccentric man, to say the least. The Swedish man of Umea had recently retired and tinkered frequently in his garage. Friends who came by to see what he was doing got the full tour. This tour involved numerous self-described crankish projects, but the one that consumed the majority of Lars' time was a fusor. He had a lot of fun showing it off, and it gave him a lot of interesting reactions. He would tell his friends that he was studying cold fusion, and his friends gave him a well-meaning pat-on-the-back nice-to-see-you-are-up-to-something, but did not really think anything of it. Of course, Lars was completely serious.
Even more serious was the fact that his fusor and reactor designs were–somehow–completely manageable with off-the-shelf components. Being 209X, some more exotic materials were readily available to the consumer market, and almost necessary for modern life. Safety detectors and sophisticated computing equipment had given consumers access and very high demand for some rather rare materials. Of course, the variety of products available on the shelves for consumers had reached such a stage of cmoplexity that almost no one was even aware of any potentially dangerous cocktails that could be devised, but suffice it to say anyone with a brain who could go to a Home Depot or any DIY hardware store could replicate any of Lars' designs. He kept a blog online detailing his designs, ideas, experiments, and this blog and its accompanying forum was relatively well-received. Then, one day, he made one last update to his blog.
A few hours later, the city of Umea went dark. Demolished by a thermonuclear blast.
Unbeknownst to Lars in his amateur dawdling, he had managed to make a $1000 nuclear bomb that could be made with some minor assembly and disassembly from off-the-shelf components to the ever-more-complex consumer market. As shocking as it was, denizens of Lars' blog and forum were able to connect the dots relatively quickly to realize that Lars had not only probably made a $1000 nuclear bomb, but that he had extremely easy-to-follow plans. While people of the previous century had discussed the merits, possibilities, and problems of 3D printed guns, society quickly found itself hoisted to an entirely different level. Denizens of Lars' forum quickly tried to do what they can, but given Lars' death, any action to shut down the small website or forum was too slow, and the plans for the $1000 DIY nuke became widely disseminated across the net within minutes.
News spread quickly, and governments weighed their options. Nonetheless, as a knee-jerk and desperate act, ICANN did what it could and for at least a short while, the internet went down–with all of the damaging ramifications that it caused. At least for now, while they still had some time to think through what to do. However, as the government weighed its options, they soon became aware of the fact that they weren't sure whether it was technologically _possible_ for them to stop this knowledge. Too many extremely important systems depended on cryptographic and steganographic protocols, and even if cryptography was banned, it wasn't even known whether _that_ was even possible given the advances in steganography. Even if they assessed severe penalties and jailtime or even the most extreme forms of torture, the damage caused by one dirty bomb was so great that the incentives at play would always be incredibly asymmetrical. They couldn't even ban he subcomponents, because they were so necessary for modern life, and more importantly so widely available that they could not effectively enforce it. Even if they could, it would likely send human progress back a century at least. Moreover, they all knew that once information reached the internet that they could not stop it…
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No.103206
>>103204
I was thinking of making this story in two versions. In one, it's our typical world, where 3D guns people more popular along with other weaponry, and at each stage the governments of the world try to ban and prohibit them until, like a forest ranger who tries to combat every single forest fire, it reaches this conclusion. In the other, it's ancap world in which various institutions crop up to deal with each evolving threat, and each threat making the world more resilient than the last until it can actually cope with Lars.
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No.103209
>>103204
Ehh, making a nuke isn't hard, even today anyone with an IQ of at least 150 could do it if they are willing to take the risk.
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No.103211
>>103090
Using that logic, some gorillas would have rights as well, seeing as they have IQ comparable to some humans. Instead of reducing things to a strictly material basis, you have to realize that we humans are made in the image of God, and that's what sets us apart from animals.
As for the torturing animals thing, it's a very good sign that someone is going to turn out to be a serial killer. They lack empathy and get a kick out of killing things for no purpose.
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No.103212
>>103211
But if a Gorilla's mental faculties were comparable to a human's wouldn't it be accurate to say that it was made in God's image as well and therefore should have the same rights as humans? If it were just physical appearance it would mean that disfigured people shouldn't be thought of as human.
>it's a very good sign that someone is going to turn out to be a serial killer
That doesn't seem like sufficient justification to punish them for it.
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No.103213
>>103212
It's not just about mental capacity, we are made in God's image as human beings. Gorillas are not human, and are therefore not made in the image of God regardless of intelligence. People with deformities are still human since there's more to being a human than just physical appearance.
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No.103217
>>103213
But how do you know that Gorillas aren't made in God's image?
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No.103223
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No.103226
>>103217
Because humans are, and gorillas are different than humans. Stop being obtuse.
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No.103233
>>103226
Different in what way? What specific factor are you using to determine whether a being is divine or not?
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No.103234
>>103233
I never said humans are divine either, but if you're so inclined to argue that you've blinded yourself to the obvious differences between a man and a gorilla then I'm done.
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No.103236
>>103234
The only meaningful difference seems to be intelligence, which contradicts what you say here >>103211
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No.103501
Even though I find anarcho-capitalism interesting I have a few hang ups. I don't necessarily want to rely on mercenaries for my defense. If others want to then fine. I just prefer to have my own guns to defend myself.
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No.103503
How would property rights work for rivers and lakes? Say if a river goes through your property do you own that part of the river or the whole thing?
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No.103506
If the rest of the world balkanized would it still be possible to develop advanced technology? Like space travel for example. Could developing space travel still be possible in a world that has been balkanized and consists of tiny countries since space travel was normally state sponsored? I know there could be companies doing it I just wonder if it'll be enough.
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No.103573
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No.103620
>>102923
I used to listen to the Vin Armani podcast. He was more of an agorist but I found it interesting because of the guests he would bring on. They would show their alternatives to the state and I do like seeing solutions to this kind of stuff. I think he changed up the podcast and doesn't post as much but it's still up on his youtube channel.
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