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Spiritual Gifts 08/02/19 (Fri) 22:12:36 47effa No.10807 [Open Thread]

How am I to understand spiritual gifts?

Protestants only please.

I am thoroughly convinced of cessationism; the charismatic gifts have ceased. This is the dominant opinion throughout church history until the last 100 years with the introduction of the pentecostal and charismatic movements. The Westminster and London Baptist confession are both cessationist. Here's an article from spurgeon's Metropolitan Tabernacle for cessationism: https://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Christian-Article/Cessationism-Proving-Charismatic-Gifts-have-Ceased-Sword-and-Trowel-Magazine

But, there are still said to be non-charismatic spiritual gifts that are continuing.

>Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. (1 Cor 7:7)

Does this indicate that every believer has a spiritual gift, like most conclude? I hesitate to say so because Paul is talking about his chastity, being unmarried, and the gift of being unmarried is never listed as a spiritual gift. The whole chapter does not touch on spiritual gifts at all.

These are the alleged lists of spiritual gifts. They do not all match, which isn't necessarily a problem.

Romans 12:6-8

>prophecy

>service (ministry)

>teaching

>exhortation

>giving

>ruling (leading)

>showing mercy

1 Cor 12:4-11

>wisdom

>word of knowledge

>faith

>healing

>working of miracles

>prophecy

>discerninPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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11/10/20 (Tue) 22:54:28 ec5f8c No.12938

>>10880

Is it of the Spirit of the Lord to remark at how your own doctrine, sparkling clean, is firsthand, while your digressers all simply have bunk doctrine? Meanwhile the spirit of your words is not contrite, you know nothing and should act like it

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11/10/20 (Tue) 22:57:06 ec5f8c No.12939

>>10946

No, it isn't. The Bible was canonized by the one Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.

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11/10/20 (Tue) 23:00:25 ec5f8c No.12940

prots just dig in their heels and repeat scripture scripture scripture because they are all literally North Americans or anglos who reduce scripture to a codex of "divine info" and care about things like "infallibility" rather than singing the scriptures within the very life you lead, as if the spiritual knowledge resembles the erudition of "scripture readers" who digest only what they deem to be sophisticated enough to be obscure and religiously fanciful.

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11/10/20 (Tue) 23:01:53 ec5f8c No.12941

notice all those who constantly lambast and correct others with "scriptural truth" seldom have their own constructive topics of fruit produced from their apparently superior digestion of prophecy and word.

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11/10/20 (Tue) 23:12:33 ec5f8c No.12944

love one another, and do not speak irreverently of your brother, but be reconciled to him

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THE TRINITIY IS FALSE 01/21/20 (Tue) 01:18:36 a8330c No.12252 [Open Thread]

John 14:28

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many f his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Additional problems with Trinity

To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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01/31/20 (Fri) 20:03:24 2989d5 No.12653

Which Islam website did you copy and paste this from?

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02/01/20 (Sat) 17:53:13 27410d No.12663

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>>12252

so what is your view on the Godhead?

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!JEWS.kY0hk 02/02/20 (Sun) 16:40:29 6d017c No.12688

>>12630

>the word in the shema is echad. it does not mean "one" in a rabbinic unitarian sense. maimonides himself in the 12th century deliberately uses yacheed instead, because he know's his own bible doesnt say what he wants it to say.

I don't think your bible says what you want it to say. Your argument assumes my argument–correctly–because of how obvious it is and how obvious yours isn't.

>why not give the video a chance? it might change your mind. it wasnt until the 3rd century thr rabbis really started hammering down on multiplicity within the Godhead. they were reacting to christianity.

Needless to say I'm not convinced, but I'll watch your video.

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11/10/20 (Tue) 22:32:41 3ffc08 No.12934

>>12624

those quotes have nothing to do with the Binatarian tradition in early Israeli religiosity, don't be dense

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11/10/20 (Tue) 22:33:10 3ffc08 No.12935

>>12688

just stop arguing bro

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Teetoalism? 12/30/19 (Mon) 20:40:12 05c451 No.11744 [Open Thread]

Does oinos mean wine or grape juice?

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01/01/20 (Wed) 14:00:14 959a03 No.11780

It's wine. Nobody even knew how to create unfermented grape juice until the 1800's. Grapes start fermenting immediately and it takes modern technology to prevent it from happening so that non-alcoholic juice can be made.

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01/01/20 (Wed) 22:20:18 63876b No.11798

Wine. Obviously! Wine is symbolic of maturity, and Sabbath rest (that's why Noah drinks it after he comes out of the Ark. The Flood is creation backwards, a global baptism. Just as after God creates He rests, so Noah rests after the Flood). This is particularly because children can eat grapes and drink grape juice, but only adults can appreciate the taste of wine. Priests in the Tabernacle/Temple and Nazarites are not allowed to drink wine because the Sabbath for Israel has not come yet. It comes in Jesus, and that's why we drink wine in the Eucharist.

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01/24/20 (Fri) 11:05:44 52ffd8 No.12407

Proverbs 31:6

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, And wine unto the bitter in soul:

The "strong drink" has been rendered varyingly as mead in the Septuagint and as "sicera" in the Vulgate; elsewhere in the Septuagint it is also rendered as 'síkera'. Perhaps a fizzy beverage like a beer or a cider could have been what was had in mind as opposed to something like distilled spirits which didn't spread throughout the world until around the High Middle Ages; but perhaps it might have also been any other sort of strong fermented concoction.

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!JEWS.kY0hk 01/26/20 (Sun) 19:05:58 a94400 No.12463

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Proverbs 23:19–21:

>Hear, my child, and be wise, and direct your mind in the way.

>Do not be among winebibbers, or among gluttonous eaters of meat;

>for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe them with rags.

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11/07/20 (Sat) 01:52:06 29794f No.12933

>>12463

But that passage is clearly referring not to those who drink wine or eat meat, but specifically to those who do so IN EXCESS. The passage does not forbid drinking wine, or eating meat for that matter, as a whole, it merely discourages one from being a drunk or glutton, or associating with those who are. Also

>Using a Soviet propaganda poster to make a point in a Christian board

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Explain the difference 07/09/19 (Tue) 03:43:07 583ea2 No.7979 [Open Thread]

Well? What is it?

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07/09/19 (Tue) 19:32:40 09dc34 No.8002

>>7998

>Firearms aren't just for war

Nobody suggested they were.

>they're no more masculine than pepper spray or a pocket knife.

When has it ever been normal for a woman to carry a pocket knife?

>Imagine thinking women protecting themselves from being culturally enriched by Jamal and Ahmed is heresy.

If your wife or daughter has to protect HERSELF, then you are a failure as a man. That is your responsibility.

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07/09/19 (Tue) 20:16:32 350e2f No.8006

The Bible is a perfectly moral guide, and the quran is evil.

>>7985

Posing with a US flag and a firearm is demonstrating the US's unique right to keep and bear arms, not a threat of aggression.

I know you're baiting though

>>7988

>the masonic USA flag

There is nothing Masonic about any symbolism of the US flag, which by the way represents the people of the nation and not the state.

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07/09/19 (Tue) 23:40:27 8273c0 No.8013

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07/09/19 (Tue) 23:42:16 8273c0 No.8014

>>7985

they're Fighting for the great deceiver.

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09/28/20 (Mon) 05:42:33 d8e2d1 No.12929

Obligation…

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End of christchannel.xyz ## Board Owner 01/21/20 (Tue) 06:30:42 194734 No.12272 [Open Thread]

Christchannel.xyz has come to a close. I started it during the 8chan hiatus, but now we're back and the userbase all came here.

If you ever posted, thanks for coming. It was fun.

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01/22/20 (Wed) 00:54:35 af08de No.12298

>>12284

What spam are you referring to? I don't see anything disruptive on the catalog myself, just a dead advert thread and two JW-tier threads that have been BTFO'ed.

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02/16/20 (Sun) 01:17:39 7bfe01 No.12847

Rats, I stumbled upon Christ channel a few months ago but never really checked it out, was looking for it today but sad to see I'm a few weeks late to the party. Any chance of it ever going up again?

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Rodent 02/16/20 (Sun) 03:43:29 00b977 No.12848

>>12272

Good. That Amazon VPS was horrible with the database crashing every day.

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02/27/20 (Thu) 05:55:31 d6f27d No.12860

unnecessary bump

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08/24/20 (Mon) 10:01:35 85d4c0 No.12925

I miss Christchannel.

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Christian anime thread 05/16/19 (Thu) 09:52:58 302bb0 No.4512 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Let's talk about wholesome entertainment.

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01/26/20 (Sun) 10:18:21 616fbf No.12459

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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01/26/20 (Sun) 14:23:06 862beb No.12461

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Anyone here watch /Phantom/? Gotta be one of the most Christian anime I have watched.

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01/30/20 (Thu) 17:19:09 1f3ac0 No.12612

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Misaka "Railgun" Mikoto has gotten a new season for her show. There's some lewdness in it, but it's not much. Enjoyable stuff with mostly wholesome characters, desu.

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02/03/20 (Mon) 01:02:30 1f3ac0 No.12690

>impossible to post for days

What's going on with this board?

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07/12/20 (Sun) 18:35:54 6ad264 No.12920

anime is from the devil.

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How long have you been saved? 01/15/20 (Wed) 04:36:00 dd35e6 No.12011 [Open Thread]

How long have you been saved?

Was your household always Christian?

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01/15/20 (Wed) 11:39:10 34432c No.12017

>>12011

My parents are nonbelivers but our household belives the cristian values

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01/15/20 (Wed) 11:41:42 34432c No.12018

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I personaly go to pray sometimes

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01/15/20 (Wed) 14:49:29 27a586 No.12022

>>12011

I was saved in 2014.

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05/21/20 (Thu) 04:58:54 5ae719 No.12905

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

About three years. Got saved from Anderson's gospel presntation video.

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06/07/20 (Sun) 15:41:18 4abc31 No.12908

>>12011

>How long have you been saved?

Long enough to know better.

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Send your best Christian Youtuber’s links 12/11/19 (Wed) 13:39:50 296f1f No.11419 [Open Thread]

Send your best Christian content makers’ links

Mine-

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/emichaeljones/

https://www.youtube.com/user/ChurchMilitantTV

https://www.youtube.com/user/orthodoxstephen

https://www.youtube.com/user/onearmsteve4192

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiYNKjd0Xvj5GE5dr-9n65A

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01/27/20 (Mon) 17:36:50 cd1655 No.12498

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Dr. Ryan Reeves:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA

He's a theology professor at Gordon-Conwell seminary and basically gives you a PHD course on theology and church history for free in short, easy to understand videos.

The playlists for church history, reformation history, and Luther and Calvin are outstanding. He has solid information on all of the denominations. But has a large encyclopedia of Catholic, Lutheran, and Calvinist thought. Even goes into a lot of detail of chruch/denomination history in America.

I can't say enough how great this was and how much it helped me learn about Christianity.

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01/27/20 (Mon) 17:55:39 83251b No.12502

>>11845

Not quite the same but his gaming channel is still up.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC02d-5O_tWVq2-XcmB5k7EQ

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03/25/20 (Wed) 19:15:10 ee26b5 No.12872

>>12498

love that channel.

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04/24/20 (Fri) 07:55:39 0ae18a No.12893

>>11801

Catholic is the only true church

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Compendio de la Historia Cristiana 05/21/20 (Thu) 07:57:18 bfd8bc No.12906

Compendio de la Historia Cristiana (libro)

https://youtu.be/IoqdUcMpF4Y (Primera parte)

https://youtu.be/p031cd2dNUg (Segunda parte)

https://youtu.be/PsODIpIobPc (tercera parte)

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Jesus spoke aramaic, therefore Peter was pope 02/03/20 (Mon) 22:59:20 2294b6 No.12712 [Open Thread]

I've encountered this argument before. Let's set the record straight.

A Roman Catholic might argue that the church was founded on Peter, not Christ or the confession of Christ, because Jesus says "upon this rock I will build my church". If we speculate that Jesus was speaking Aramaic, it would have been akin to "You are rock. Upon this rock I will build my church", because the words would have been identical. The argument says that this is tantamount to, "upon you I will build my church".

This is a bad argument because the holy scriptures are what were inspired, written in Greek. Speculation about what Jesus might have said in Aramaic is conjecture.

The person making this argument has to:

>establish with certainty that Jesus's conversational language with Peter was Aramaic

>account for the differences in terms when written in Greek

>Prove the doctrine from the Greek anyway, independent of the Aramaic argument.

If the doctrine of Jesus building His church upon Peter is Biblical, it would be present in the koine greek. That is a matter of reasoned debate, but this talk about aramaic is not.

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02/06/20 (Thu) 04:29:13 ffaafc No.12794

>>12787

>mental gymnastics

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02/06/20 (Thu) 11:36:59 baf777 No.12801

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>>12712

The rock verse is not the make or break one, the following verses are more important.

I will give you the the keys - only the highest clergy authority had the keys to the temple.

Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven… - also something only the clerical authority could do.

Hence to any hebrew hearing those words it would be clear that Jesus is giving authority to Peter.

>>12726

Sola scriptura is a manmade tradition whose fruits is thousands of christian sects and counting. All it takes is someone thinking they know better, and humans are specially tuned to do that due to our fallen prideful nature.

Jesus mandated a hierarchy as everything in existence functions through hierarchy, He made creation like this. That s.s. tradition is a rebellion against God's will and its fruits show it.

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05/01/20 (Fri) 17:55:55 a1d690 No.12897

>>12712

>holy scriptures are what were inspired, written in Greek

The holy scriptures were written in Hebrew (OT) and Aramaic (NT).

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05/04/20 (Mon) 06:25:41 13b795 No.12898

the word petros is the masculine form of the word petra (rock)

it would not be appropiate for Jesus to give St. Peter a feminine name, so in that sentence he says it clearly: you are the rock and upon this rock I will build my church.

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05/21/20 (Thu) 04:49:10 69edf4 No.12904

>>12724

Jesus is the head of all churches. Peter was a bishop of a church with Jesus above him. See it as Jesus is the big rock, Peter(and any other bishop/pastor) is the smaller rock.

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Gnosis 07/25/19 (Thu) 21:32:08 30d4c0 No.9655 [Open Thread]

Knowledge is the path of salvation. Free the light that is inside of you from the Law of the Demiurge who tyrannizes you. The serpent of the garden is knowledge!

“For there exists a great and boundless aeon, whose extent no generation of angels could see, in which is the great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.” - Gospel of Judas

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07/26/19 (Fri) 11:13:37 03c3ac No.9727

>>9719

Sorry, but I like discussion without gay porn.

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07/26/19 (Fri) 11:56:46 fd4d15 No.9732

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>>9719

</papist/

>Mainstream Catholicism

>Gnostic free

pick one.

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07/27/19 (Sat) 00:17:17 4c4863 No.9833

>>9719

We can BTFO heretics without being babied by guys in funny hats, thx.

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07/27/19 (Sat) 07:25:53 10b830 No.9855

>>9719

ty for contributing to our PPH

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05/16/20 (Sat) 17:13:44 0ab9f0 No.12903

>>9657

Not OP, but the Kike god is indeed an evil lesser demon. We Christians are the children of the One True God and are superior to him.

>50. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.'

>77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

>83. Jesus said, "Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light."

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Christian faith rollercoaster 04/28/19 (Sun) 21:19:09 d8bf36 No.3482 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

>grow up in communist shithole with overstrained mother

>father killed himself shortly after birth

>no religious education at all

>communist shithole breaks down, now be poor on top of it

>get beaten up so badly in high school that you get diagnosed PTSD and drop out

>get thrown out of home at age 18 for being NEET.

>almost two decades of indulging into porn, masturbation, video games, failed attempts to get gf and other distractions, while being on welfare

>lose all friends, be completely alone, sit at home all day and night

>occasional suicide thoughts

>one day decide to order a Bible and to read about creation and maybe some uplifting stories

>not getting serious about it, just another self-help book

>suddenly the Lord reveals Himself

>have your agnostic world view turned entirely upside down and start believing in Jesus Christ

>realize that you are sinner

>that's a problem

>the Lord tells you clearly what He wants (repent and Matthew 18:20)

>decide to run away from Him for a year

>life gets even worse up to a point were everything falls apart and even mom threatens to cut you off for being such a failure

>with no options left finally decide to give in and do His will

>He heals you from adultery over night

>have the hardest fight with social anxiety demons and

>stumble into the predetermined church on Good Friday

>go through your first and best worship service of your life

>regularly return to church on later days and and meet charitable, non-judging people for the first time in your life

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OP OP 06/10/19 (Mon) 17:57:35 e2184d No.5988

This Pentecost I got baptized by full submersion. It was a surreal experience. Entering the congregation in my white robe with everyone standing up felt a little bit like getting married.

Then I had to sit through the first part of the service, while the tension slowly built up.

After entering the font and declaring Jesus as my Lord and savior I started dazing and I was completely stunned when I emerged again.

After changing into my regular clothes, I got showered with gifts by various parish members.

What a day, glory to the Lord!

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01/22/20 (Wed) 06:14:43 6b7d69 No.12310

found this on page 25 and thought it worthy of a bump

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01/22/20 (Wed) 07:27:27 8af692 No.12312

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>>3482

Well not everyone's experience is the same. I'm Christian and still want to kill myself every day and pray regularly to God to kill me so I won't have to do it myself. Stopped going to church too since they just flat-out lie to people about the state of the world and reinforce status quo. Now I just stay home and read the Bible by myself.

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05/06/20 (Wed) 04:43:25 0dd40d No.12901

May God bless and keep you, brother. Hearing your story has helped me on a sad and lonely night. Thank you.

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05/06/20 (Wed) 05:21:41 a8c37f No.12902

Holy anointing oil ingredients?

Ancient stone carvings of Tree of Life resemble what plant?

How was the oil used? How much?

Tree of knowledge stone carvings? Paintings? Stained glass windows in churches?

Good search tool https://www.sacred-texts.com/

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protestantism 02/04/20 (Tue) 01:06:11 088ed7 No.12716 [Open Thread]

what is the best form of protestantism and what is the worst form? why? i need a denomination.

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04/12/20 (Sun) 02:23:04 f54b78 No.12889

>best

Reformed baptist or non-denominational

>worst

High church Anglicanism….like, just join the roman church already if being a slave is your thing.

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04/14/20 (Tue) 19:46:37 756d28 No.12891

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>>12719

>United Methodist

>Sodomite Tier

The UMC is ironically the only Mainline Protestant denomination that still officially opposes gay marriage and affirms that homosexuality is incompatible with the Christian teaching

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04/25/20 (Sat) 17:49:02 6ab5ec No.12894

>>12891

Have you been living under a rock? They have been carrying on in open contradiction with the written doctrine for years, and now the church is finally splitting. Homos are retaining the "united methodist" name, and traditionalists are forming a new denomination

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04/27/20 (Mon) 23:05:17 bf14fe No.12896

>>12716

Look for a free KJV Reformed church (baptist or pedobaptist doesn't matter as long as it preaches the Word), not for pseudo-conservative denominations like the OPC or the Missouri Synod

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05/04/20 (Mon) 16:43:55 756d28 No.12900

>>12894

Officially, the UMC still opposes homosexuality. It's a violation of church law and incompatible with the Christian teaching. Yes, there are a few individual churches and districts that defy the General Conference, and depending, they're liable for disciplinary action. They're the exception however, not the rule.

There has been no split in the denomination. One has been proposed, but it has not been voted on and won't be voted on until the 2020 General Conference; though that has been postponed to 2021. And, it may not even pass; though it is likely. However, it'll likely be the case that it won't pass unless the conservatives get more concessions such as retaining the UMC name and securing more funds for the traditionalist churches. Conservatives are the majority in this, and as always, it's just a loud, belligerent minority screeching until they get their way. Thankfully, the conservatives have not caved into any demands by the pro-LGBT crowd yet

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Meme thread 02/23/19 (Sat) 14:56:27 4b13ad No.1525 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Meme thread

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01/26/20 (Sun) 22:45:14 7ccc23 No.12469

>>1534

Amen

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02/01/20 (Sat) 18:30:54 e29f3a No.12666

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>>12466

what do orthos believe Mary to be then?

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02/01/20 (Sat) 18:49:26 e29f3a No.12668

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02/01/20 (Sat) 20:40:02 9cddce No.12670

>>12666

The mother of Our God, Jesus Christ. You can ask Mother Mary to pray for you, just like any other saint, but when you pray to God, your prayers don't pass through her first, they go directly to Christ and then to God The Father. Mary is a very important figure in Orthodoxy, but we don't worship her or put her on the same level as God.

Exorcising those demonic digits btw

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04/25/20 (Sat) 20:45:50 766f27 No.12895

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Soteriology 07/29/19 (Mon) 22:42:23 034f4d No.10110 [Open Thread]

Calvinism, molinism, and arminianism are all wrong, provisionism (or "traditionalism" in the SBC) is correct.

Exegetically change my mind.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 03:39:19 8e078d No.12208

>>12199

>he's a former calvinist professor himself and is extremely meticulous about definitions.

I'm aware of what he claims to be, but honest to God, if he's being sincere, he could not have ever understood proper Calvinism and he won't accept correction. It's infuriating. His definitions may be precise, but that doesn't make them accurate.

>which is a total grasp at straws.

If he's insincere, then his consistent inability to correctly define Calvinist doctrines can only be interpreted as deceitful. I have an extremely difficult time believing that someone as intelligent as him can't accurately represent an opposing position. Would he have this same problem representing Mormon doctrines or sacralism or something? If he did, then I'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

>Even still, you have not brought an argument.

My argument is that the only way the soteriological position in OP's image seems different from Pelagianism to me is that he's trying to shoehorn in OSAS while calling it Eternal Security for some reason. (Those are not the same thing.) Otherwise his position is pretty much a point-by-point reversal of at least 4 of Calvinism's 5 points. All he did was repackage the same old nonsense under a new name to try to make it look more legitimate because he's so hung up on the idea of God not interfering with man's will.

R - He specifically says man is able to respond. This is poorly defined and doesn't make clear what his view of man's will is. Why is man able to respond? Is there some kind of enabling grace or is man's will not corrupted to begin with? He has literally said before that an exercise of man's free will is an act of "creatio ex nihilo", which gives me the impression that he has a very high view of man's condition. Maybe he just didn't understand the implications of that, but I'm not sure.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 03:57:58 402240 No.12212

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>>12208

You're not meaning pelagian lightly, sure, you're just using liberally throwing it around despite the weight it carries as an accusation. That's a dumb tactic so stop using it. It doesn't help your case, traditionalism is obviously not pelagian.

What does he not understand about Calvinism that you do? You're just waving your hand alluding to these mistakes as if I'm supposed to just blindly affirm your anonymous judgment of his doctrine

The acronym is just a tool like TULIP. Criticizing how the tool is constructed is not arguing against the position.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 05:05:08 8e078d No.12214

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>>12212

>you're just using liberally throwing it around despite the weight it carries as an accusation.

I just went through the points that I take issue with and demonstrated exactly why I'm concerned that he may be expressing a form of Pelagianism, focusing on the ambiguity of his view of the human condition. How is that liberal usage? The defining feature of Pelagianism is a denial of original sin. The way some of those doctrines are defined logically necessitates a denial of original sin, unless he somewhere provides a mechanism around that. Feel free to provide me with a clarification from his website or something if he does that somewhere.

>traditionalism is obviously not pelagian

"Traditionalism" is not traditional by any stretch of the imagination, but regardless, the current soteriology of most Southern Baptists today is not Pelagian. I'm questioning whether he's actually even being fully consistent with them at this point. The further into explanations he tries to go to explain Free Will, the more heretical his explanations are going to have to get to give it consistency. Modern Southern Baptists can only go so deep with soteriology before they have to throw up their hands and say "It's a mystery! The roads of free will and predestination meet together in eternity!", but Leighton is trying to take it deeper. This is his area of focus and he's determined to make it work.

>What does he not understand about Calvinism that you do?

See video. That one is from Leighton's channel.

>Total Inability –→ No one can want God unless God wants them.

>Unconditional Election –→ God does not want everyone.

>Limited Atonement → God sent Christ to pay only for the sins of those He wants.

>Irresistable Grace –→ If God wants you then He will make you want Him.

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02/20/20 (Thu) 02:35:38 26709c No.12852

Posting my exegetical reply over on >>>/christian/ since this board is now closed…

https://8kun.top/christian/res/827800.html

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04/11/20 (Sat) 23:18:39 e9cac9 No.12888

you are all anathema

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Got in a fight with a fellow Catholic and I don't know what to think... 07/31/19 (Wed) 14:40:21 2ad35d No.10334 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

I was alone in a café in Fatima drinking my Fanta when I noticed a group of Catholic preppies (5 boys and 2 girls) sitting next to me drinking beer and bantering among themselves. One of them was wearing a medallion of Our Lady and was going on and on about how the communists are ruining the Church and how the "fags" are destroying the sanctity of marriage and so on. I thought to myself:

>"Nice, a fellow Traditional Catholic who isn't afraid to call out the reprobates".

I joined them after a while and we started talking about the moral degradation of the Church, the homosexual priests, the people being pro-abortion and female ordination and so on and, at some point, I turned to them and said:

>"Fags are a danger to the Church, that's true. But we need to remind ourselves that the first phenomenon that contributed to the desacralization of the Holy Matrimony was not fags getting married but the acceptance of divorce. In my opinion, and this is backed up by the catechism of the Catholic Church, a divorced man is as much as a degenerate as a homosexual".

Then there was a strange silence and I knew I done goofed. Dude got up and punched me in the nose:

>"Who are you calling a degenerate, you FRICKing queer? Get out of here!"

I threw my Fanta at him and we scuffled a bit until one of his friends grabbed me and brought me outside. Turns out 3 of them, 2 boys and 1 girl, were divorced. I swear none of them was older than 35.

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02/01/20 (Sat) 05:00:35 2eddc3 No.12660

>>10334

This is why it's important to learn how to defend yourself. If that happened to me I would've suplexed that cunt and used some boxing on the other two queers.

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02/01/20 (Sat) 12:52:09 4af1a3 No.12661

>>10334

Accept the Hindu pill M8

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02/02/20 (Sun) 23:17:38 d50961 No.12689

>>12660

<“But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Matthew 5:39

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04/05/20 (Sun) 12:42:49 1aa7a6 No.12881

>>10406

>I feel like a sucker, like I take stuff more seriously than it needs to

No that's just a decent reaction fueled by piety.

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04/11/20 (Sat) 21:14:10 f7c1f3 No.12886

>>10394

t. seething

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