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ba557d No.9478 [Open Thread]

If I were born unable to respond to the gospel, it would be unjust to condemn me to eternal hell because of my lack of response.

This injustice is recognizable by natural theology (your conscience), and by God's description of responsibility in scripture.

Calvinists, please respond.

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ea58d6 No.9713

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>9497

>I'm using responsibility here to mean ability to respond

And almost every serious theologian, Arminian, Cavlinist, and Molinist, don't mean that.

>Sovereignty does not mean He deals arbitrarily

It means He can if God wills to, but we don't and shouldn't argue as if God's sovereignty existed separately from God's omniscience. That's strawmanning Reformed theology.

>sovereignty means He is unaffected by outside influence

Wrong, that's God's impassibility. You are redefining theological terms to suit your argument rather than relying on what definitions theologians have already used.

>I entirely affirm the sovereignty of God

You affirm a strawman.

>it's only by grace that anyone is saved at all.

Amen, but now you're agreeing with my premise. Without God's gift/grace, a person would only choose hell.

>I'm saying that the God of John 3:16 is one who freely offers a gift,

Like the rest of your post, you fail to define key words carefully. What exactly is God gifting? What is or are God's grace/s that man needs.

>John 3:16

Funny you mention this verse.

You also don't go far enough. See what John the Baptist truthfully says: "John answered, 'A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.'" (Jn. 3:27 ESV) This includes faith and belief that saves. You also skip 3:8

"The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit." (Jn. 3:8 ESV) And you say we are free and able to come to Chist ourselves?

Go further several chapters and you read this:

"Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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f2bedb No.9715

For heresy free discussion go to >>>/christian/

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ea58d6 No.9762

>>9715

Whoops! You forgot the "-ity" bro. Let me help you out…

>>>/christianity/

There, I fixed your post for you. :)

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95d450 No.9769

Grace is a red herring here, yes, faith exists because of grace, because faith is an infused virtue, but Jesus explicitly said that it is His will that everyone would be saved. However, we have our free will, so, we have to choose to confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, that is the the minimum Jesus requires from us, according to Sts. Paul and John the Evangelist writing in their New Testament Epistles.

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b56a5b No.9776

I'm not seeing any reason to reject the conclusion. Under calvinism, in the final analysis, those who are in Hell were damned because God chose not to save them. If this statement is accurate, the only defense a calvinist should be making is that God's choice was just and non-arbitrary for reasons related to His foreknowledge.

>>9713

>Without God's gift/grace, a person would only choose hell.

No. The gift is the forgiveness, the gift is not causing one to receive the forgiveness.

<For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Eph. 2:8 NAS)

"it is the gift of God" refers to grace.

Faith is the means.

>And almost every serious theologian, Arminian, Cavlinist, and Molinist, don't mean that.

Leighton Flowers

>It means He can if God wills to, but we don't and shouldn't argue as if God's sovereignty existed separately from God's omniscience. That's strawmanning Reformed theology.

Sure He can, but to be arbitrary is against His nature and inconsistent with the Bible. Is God arbitrary to you?

>'A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.'" (Jn. 3:27 ESV)

The thing has to be given in order for it to be received. This does not necessitate that God causes the person to choose to receive.

>And you say we are free and able to come to Chist ourselves?

No, Christ did all the work already and the grace is freely offered for anyone who chooses to believe. I am not a pelagian.

>Why? Where does Scripture say God is obligated to save sinners?

Nowhere, but he's gracious to do it anyway.

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5fa3d1 No.9607 [Open Thread]

I noticed there's a lot of fighting on this board between Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. So I figured we should make a thread focusing on the common enemies to Christianity.

I'll list a few I can think of:

>Jews

>Muslims

>Satanists

>Atheists

>Sodomites/Homosexuals

The question arises, how do we turn these people away from the devil and away from their Satanic instincts?

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77cbc1 No.9696

>>9607

You need to add Seventh-Day Adventists to the list, then it'll be complete

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6c6137 No.9723

For heresy free cooperation go to >>>/christian/

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5fa3d1 No.9735

>>9723

I got banned from there for makinf fun of novus ordo faggotry.

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3ff498 No.9736

>>9723

Why are you spamming us? Is it some kind of retaliation move?

BO told us not to do the same to y'all.

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716757 No.9774

>>9736

It's probably the same guy spamming gay porn so he can turn us all into Roman Catholic priests

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2fe567 No.9722 [Open Thread]

I was raised protestant, but eventually came to the conclusion that God did not exist based on classic dialectic discussions, though I myself always categorized myself as a hopeful agnostic since then, as outright denial I felt was equally foolish. There is little unique to my story; I found /pol/, was filled with the rage instilled in me by the social degenerates who degraded me and my race and the propagandized their rank and file empty headed communists and various racial surprise soup to both deny me right to be heard and branded me with the sin of being born white. I long since trained my mind and tempered my soul with vengeance, I hated and still hate freely those who demean my people, turn them into walking garbage can and corrupt the world.

But now even the people of /pol/ are a walking cesspit of larping empty headed creatures, posting the same meaningless, thoughtless tripe ad infinitum. They have like the left, devoured every ally who did not appease their endless needs and destroyed whatever power / unity they were actually beggining to accumulate in 2015 and 2016 and forfeited it KKK Redneck tier patheticism. The board infested likewise by CIA and FBI posters have also exacerbated their natural instinct to eat each other alive at every turn, and now stand utterly and hopelessly divided.

This and another event I shall not describe for brevity have levied me with a conclusion; that is, evil prevails. And yet in this thought I look out to the thought that in such case there must in fact be a God, for if no good can take true route but only parody or even partially imitate it, surely there is an other above whom this descends from. But from this revelation comes great and new found rage.

Why has such evils been visited upon us? Why are the caananites at our doors? Why must this Christians insist on Jesus and forgive their atrocities and obscenities, why not be like the Father who wiped Gomorah from the face of the earth for the blight it was? Why is it written "vengeance is mine", what right does God have to justice that is not his to take or savor? Why has the Father not raised an army like the Crusades of the last sons of his gospel to repel the evils of many nations? Why does he allow courage & beauty to die in place of cowardice and Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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d6b0fe No.9757

tl;dr if God real why bad thing happen

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7fd20c No.9765

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>>9722

>I was raised protestant,

Same as me.

but eventually came to the conclusion that God did not exist based on classic dialectic discussions,

For me it was the realization that people acted out the revenge of God, so religion was a social construct.

>though I myself always categorized myself as a hopeful agnostic since then, as outright denial I felt was equally foolish.

I think the label atheist is more descriptive for me. Now that I need to know how to deal with religious people, I think nontheist is more accurate.

>There is little unique to my story; I found /pol/, was filled with the rage instilled in me by the social degenerates who degraded me and my race and the propagandized their rank and file empty headed communists and various racial surprise soup to both deny me right to be heard and branded me with the sin of being born white.

Being of germanic descent, I know the guilty by default narrative inside out.

> I long since trained my mind and tempered my soul with vengeance, I hated and still hate freely those who demean my people, turn them into walking garbage can and corrupt the world.

Surprisingly, I think I agree in some sense. The churches in my country are too incompetent to teach the written (and unwritten) rules the police enforce. Instead they are bound for wage slavery. Doing a job they hate, to buy stuff they don't need, so they can impress a woman who will end up screwing them over anyways, sometimes just because they can.

>But now even the people of /pol/ are a walking cesspit of larping empty headed creatures, posting the same meaningless, thoughtless tripe ad infinitum.

Echo chambers are not satisfying long term.

>They have like the left, devoured every ally who did not appease their endless needs and destroyed whatever power / unity they were actually beggining to accumulate in 2015 and 2016 and forfeited it KKK Redneck tier patheticism.

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7fd20c No.9767

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>>9722

>>9765

Continued:

>Why are the caananites at our doors?

Who?

>Why must this Christians insist on Jesus and forgive their atrocities and obscenities,

I think the magic jesus part has overshadowed the complaint his life warranted.

>why not be like the Father who wiped Gomorah from the face of the earth for the blight it was?

OT smiting? That's a bit >>>/fascist/

>Why is it written "vengeance is mine",

Sounds like you're questioning why there has to be an institutional revenge (justice) system.

>what right does God have to justice that is not his to take or savor?

God, whatever that means, is supposed to be the omnipotent authority. I am interpreting what you are saying as: how do outliers in my community justify the shitty things they are enflicting on me?

>Why has the Father not raised an army like the Crusades of the last sons of his gospel to repel the evils of many nations?

All in due time. Father figures nowadays are so cucked by feminist emancipation, it is as of there's a common desire for the women to avenge their mothers.

>Why does he allow courage & beauty to die in place of cowardice and decadence?

Interpreted as: why do they ignore the impressive things I do, and reward cowards who go along with it? It's always a battle of social rank, wheather we like it or not. Modern biologists state it is determined by our serotonin level.

>If God ever shined his providence on America, would anyone disagree that he has left?

You feel like there's something lacking in the moral standard of the society? I think it's time to found alternate societies again. AnoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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fd2a40 No.8888 [Open Thread]

More and more cases are coming to light now, and I must wonder, is there a single nation in the world whose children are save from Catholic pedophiles?

Are Catholics the most evil organisation in history, next to Jews and Muslims?

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e465a6 No.9671

File: 75eeac80ef1e7f8⋯.jpg (172.9 KB,712x697,712:697,Convertoodox.jpg)

>>9666

Do you know anything besides memespeak verbiage, you spastic? I'm convinced you're a 15 year old Dyer convert. That would explain it.

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c1b6d4 No.9674

>>9671

I'm cradledox and European in my 20s with a degree. Keep seething.

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32e370 No.9712

Why do you cry about catholics when you know it is homosexuals?

And not only that, that you, which just do not exist for said homosexual mafia, will be the next. Things are already starting to move, you have your first progressive priests, and in no time you will just have the same homosexual mafia

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3da881 No.9716

For heresy free talk go to >>>/christian/

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5030f8 No.9737

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>>9712

>and in no time you will just have the same homosexual mafia

nah, I don't think so

>>9716

lmao buttblasted Cathocucks

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c946a3 No.9605 [Open Thread]

Thots everywhere in the West, even in churches. Given the slim prospects of finding a good, chaste wife here, I'm thinking about moving to Asialand to find better candidates. They're cleverer, more feminine, thinner, far less slutty, and there are now millions of Christians among them, in countries like China and Japan. The choice of country is complex since it involves very foreign cultures. The collectivist nature of China, for example, gives me pause. Let's plan our trips.

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c946a3 No.9651

>>9647

*severely

*more fun

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c946a3 No.9673

File: 352a2382d7c9f25⋯.jpg (1.51 MB,1811x3999,1811:3999,ryktk.jpg)

>>9650

Read it and weep.

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c874bc No.9675

>>9621

>Prove it.

Read the bible?

https://emahiser.christogenea.org/biblical-racial-law-1st-amendment-u-s-constitution

>Asians have great genes.

That's entirely irrelevant.

>Asian girls are all those things

No, kikes tell you chinks are all those things. They are none. Chinks and gooks are hideously ugly, lack all femininity completely, and have absolutely no respect for their husbands at all. Try talking to some of the suckers who got conned into chink brides.

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38fa78 No.9680

File: 43a511bce5a5359⋯.png (261.85 KB,857x547,857:547,jewish_plan.png)

File: 87ae07214e8c98d⋯.jpg (460.4 KB,2148x1548,179:129,Jewish_dating.jpg)

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>>9609

I lived in Germany until last month, and the whoredom there was unbelievable, almost biblical. Germans girls grinding on negroes and arabs in the clubs, tattooed girls everywhere, everybody is on tinder, posters on every corner calling people to get checked for STDs because of an ongoing epidemic. I guess everywhere in NW-Europe is like that, as this graphic shows: >>9639 American cities probably are no different. Every German girl I've talked to was a stupid whore, not just by her behavior, but also by her beliefs, fully brainwashed into feminism and fornication-culture.

If you're from some small, ultra-conservative rural area where most girls save themselves for marriage, as it should be, then your perspective will be different; there a man can get a decent virgin wife only by fulfilling his manly duties, by having a job and being in shape, both as it should be. If you live in other circumstances your chances will be much worse, and unless you're very attractive to begin with no amount of lifting and self-improvement will help you find a Christian virgin wife. So your options are either race-mix, or convert a whore, who even if you forgive her and do everything right, might one day revert to her whore-instincts and ruin your marriage. I'm against race-mixing, and nation-mixing, for the reasons you've given, but you see how as a man in a Liberal (Jewish) society, the odds of living a Christian social life are almost prohibitively stacked against you. In the end I think it's better to try and fail than not try at all, but would you rather your children to be hapas, or grow up in a broken family raised by a whore?

I want to reiterate that I don't condone either, but it seems to me that finding an attractive Christian virgin wife is for most people an almost unsolvable problem as long as the Jews are in charge.

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c946a3 No.9730

File: 8dff93670d5190b⋯.jpg (466.43 KB,1659x1200,553:400,wag.jpg)

Bump for more talk about asian countries.

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f60647 No.5755 [Open Thread]

>walk in on my good pal attempting suicide

>he's about 5 seconds away from irreversibly doing it

>too far to keep him from doing it

>pull my gun and brain him before he can end his own life

phew, I saved my buddy from eternal hellfire. I guess I'm going to hell now though LMAO

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9de0c2 No.9052

>>8834

I think OP was putting forward a (bad) thought experiment.

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16888b No.9082

File: e16f022928f6994⋯.png (25.21 KB,211x238,211:238,demon system.png)

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>>5755

That picture is bullshit, Christian aren't NPCs, the devil's kingdom is earth, and his liberal politics and satanic organizations are the NPCs.

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5b4716 No.9606

>>5755

He had already committed the sin in his heart, and had every intention to see it through to completion.

God judges not just on the outward behaviour but the inner condition of the heart.

I think you just wasted a bullet.

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d1b434 No.9608

>>9606

Don't fall for the faggot OP's b8 brother.

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5b4716 No.9726

>>9608

I know his game brother.

I'm just using it to shine a little biblical truth for anyone who will hear it.

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a936e4 No.9714 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

https://youtu.be/YVdKq3AkfJ8

Who would have thought an early 90's cartoon like X-Men would actually promote God?

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e1ac26 No.12511

6

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514526 No.12512

7

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98fcd1 No.12514

9

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9ade1c No.12517

11

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f2bce2 No.12643

A

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fcd165 No.4652 [Open Thread]

Is it posible god could be a super highly intelect alien

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7cffb1 No.4692

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>>4682

Go find an exorcist then.

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7cffb1 No.4693

>>4682

Also, reflect on this:

http://www.johnhamelministries.org/Primary_Steps_Demonic_Possession.htm

If any of it rings true and your mom isn't being jus overly dramatic you definitely need to take action by talking to a priest and possibly being referred to an exorcist.

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7b18af No.9600

At these Times people are acting in Gods will.

Signs and miracles were active at the time of jesus and apostles, to bring jews to christ(the non believers and to show Gods Power trough his disciples) It was a timeline were these things happened.

Apostles are not in presence today. This time finished.

And we know from the bible that all people will bow down their knees in front of the Lord Jesus Christ he will be the Judge.

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46ffd8 No.9635

>>4671

I know its a dumb anime joke, but calling a being made in image of God a demon is a heresy. I think.

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39fc44 No.9685

>>4652

Been watching Neo Genesis Evangelion?

>>4664

Can it be a "What if we are living in a simulation" thread?

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9dfcfd No.5941 [Open Thread]

Toronto Blessing/ Charismatic movement

Is it god, mass hysteria & hypnosis or satan

I'm thinking hypnosis by leaning towards satan

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558876 No.5943

Charismaticism is not God led, because it's contradictory with His Bible

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943519 No.9595

Cocaine is a Hell of a drug.

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6ec8dd No.9597

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>>5943

fpbp

It's certainly hysteric and potentially satan directed in certain cases, but definitively unbiblical and so unGodly.

>>9595

why are you filling out the name, subject, and email fields?

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66db76 No.9603

>>5941

mass hysteria & satan +

The power of suggestion +

Sheeple needing to be part of something.

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66db76 No.9604

>>5941

+ (of course) "CHRISTIANS" WHO REFUSE TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE.

Where would any heresy be without that particular demographic?

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a06170 No.8569 [Open Thread]

I'm having trouble understanding the relation of yahweh and jesus. As well as who and what is considered to be a jew. No I don't believe gnosticism is the correct answer cause jesus makes many references to fulfilling old testament prophecies and claiming to be the same God.

1. Why are the messages of yahweh and jesus radically different?

2. Is a gentile simply someone who doesn't believe in the one true god?

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d24a3b No.8840

>>8621

>The Bible teaches salvation by faith alone.

Why do you always pretend James doesn't exist?

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5131d0 No.8843

>>8840

>James contradicts Ephesians

Here we go again

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045f77 No.8886

>I'm having trouble understanding the relation of yahweh and jesus.

I think that is comparing apples to oranges. Jesus was a martyr, much like Socrates.

>As well as who and what is considered to be a jew.

I am also not sure where the distinction lies. The consensus seems to be that Jews are whoever Christians think are bad theists.

>No I don't believe gnosticism is the correct answer cause jesus makes many references to fulfilling old testament prophecies and claiming to be the same God.

Schizophrenia is a condition as old as humans themselves.

>1. Why are the messages of yahweh and jesus radically different?

I wouldn't know.

>2. Is a gentile simply someone who doesn't believe in the one true god?

My understanding is that a gentile is someone who believes the same as Jews, but is not really a Jew, according to those who claim Jews are a distinct race.

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d3ab9f No.8891

>>8840

>if I deliberately misinterpret the bible it is contradictory

>check mate christians!

>tips fedora

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deae6b No.9582

You have to differ the understanding of the talmudic jews with traditions and their teachers.

They listened to their teachers more than to God and his Prophets.

In relation to the law of Moses

Matthew 5

“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. 23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift. 25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Adultery

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Divorce

31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Oaths

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, butPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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ed1fa7 No.8844 [Open Thread]

I’m sink of this trinitarian and unitarian bullshit. This thread is for true Christian Tritheists who understand the true nature of the Gods according to Biblical principles

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0e2cb7 No.8974

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die nigger faggot chink jew fuck niggers fuck jews fuck blind people fuck deaf people

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fac776 No.8984

>>8968

The trinity is senseless without polytheism

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484b7e No.8992

do not reply to bait

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a4d047 No.9008

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>>8992

C'mon, Patrick…

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f2ca8f No.9561

I don't belive in three Gods.

I believe in one God, who contains three person.

God Father (The unseeable God) , God Son (the revealed God),

and the holy spirit (the active God)

all Three are the same God.

If this wouldn't be case, then we could talk about three Gods in the meaning of different Gods.

They work together.

What did the Lord Jesus Christ?

He came in this world, because his father send him.He showed himself as the annoited one, who shows this is how God is.

The order from the father, he could do, through the Holy spirit.

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109f5c No.9392 [Open Thread]

AWARENESS TODAY. NO REGRET TOMORROW.

right side of the image shows /leftypol/

God bless you all.

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109f5c No.9393

>>9392

Someone link this to /christian/. I'm banned because, well probably the reason why you made this board to avoid their ban happy ways.

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76be5f No.9401

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5f9bf5 No.9485

>>9392

>trump hating

Stopped reading right there.

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b7a3c4 No.9378 [Open Thread]

Why are all of the "Orthodox" "Christians" secret Arians?

Father = Son = Holy Ghost.

The Father is not superior to Jesus and Constantine did not found the church. Jesus did.

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0e5f60 No.9396

>>9378

>Father = Son =Holy Ghost

That's modalism. That's heresy. God is three distinct persons who are of the sams substance. The persons are not the same as each other.

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d1760c No.9450

I thought that one of the main perks of Legalism, Dogmatism and Scholastic autism for which Papism is known for is that, at least every member should know some basic stuff such as Modalism being a heresy.

Was I wrong? Did i live in lies?

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bae81c No.9451

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>>9378

what on earth are you talking about OP?

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4295ab No.9459

>>9382

And you are a heretic

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1e61e4 No.9471

>>9382

A equals not A

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4dcdc1 No.9350 [Open Thread]

I was on twitter, I saw a lewd image in a quote tweet, I clicked on the tweet (I was using mobile twitter so I couldn't have just clicked on the poster's pfp) so that I could tell the account to repent and go to confession later since Ezekiel 33:9-33:9 tells us to warn others.

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6b5a90 No.9352

"mortal sin" is a lie from hell

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4dcdc1 No.9354

I also meant Ezekiel 33:8-33:9

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f7e8a3 No.9358

You are equally deserving of hell for this sin of looking to lust as with any other sin you've ever committed, and your status of being having salvation or not is entirely contingent on your faith.

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98c228 No.9387

>>9352

This. You didn't earn 897 "sin points" by doing this and gained a sin level. Repent and be saved.

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0c053b No.9339 [Open Thread]

Everyone that posts on this board needs to listen to this

He exactly identifies the trad Catholic phenomenon that plagues imageboard culture, and it turns out it has a wide scope.

>Renewing Your Mind with R.C. Sproul: Rome in the Twentieth Century https://renewingyourmind.org/2019/07/23/rome-in-the-20th-century

>The Roman church as we know it isn't an institution since antiquity, it's medieval

>The wild Marian heresies are largely a result of the 20th century, via Vatican II

>If Francis is changing things in a way that the secular media is pleased with, is that a good thing?

>Catholics defer doctrine in favor of "implicit faith", you don't have to work out doctrine yourself you just need to place blind Faith in your benevolent instructors

How many times have you heard that here?

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0c053b No.9356

>>9343

No, the program is just still running

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b541cc No.9360

1. Marian devotion goes back at least to 250 AD and was sanctioned by the council of Ephesus - it 's not a vatican 2 creation

2. Blind faith - whether it be in the vatican, the bible or anything else has never been encouraged by the catholic church. We believe in using faith together with reason

3. Immaculate conception, while questionable is by no means a new theory, it just went from being a controversial theory to one made generally acceptable by papal declaration

4. I would reluctantly agree with him on two points:

- two of the more extreme proclamations on mary (her being the queen of heaven and the immaculate conception are relatively modern 20th century declarations - although the concepts themselves are fairly old - just controversial).

- yes the church has become more conservative, less open to questioning and debate and more inward looking since the reformation - but really that's to be expected.

5. I would attack him on this though - many of the things that protestants most strongly object to about Catholics, like the veneration of Mary goes right back to pre-Constantine Christianity - we have archeological evidence confirming this. And although Paul didn't speak about it in his letters, he was certainly aware of it from the churches he visited and didn't seem to think to condemn it.

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c5955a No.9361

>>9360

>Blind faith - whether it be in the vatican, the bible or anything else has never been encouraged by the catholic church

If you are unwilling to place blind faith in God, you are not a Christian (Matthew 18:3)

>while questionable is by no means a new theory

It's certainly a novel one, however.

>the veneration of Mary goes right back to pre-Constantine Christianity

The "veneration" (idolatry) of anything doesn't even go back to Constantine.

>And although Paul didn't speak about it in his letters, he was certainly aware of it from the churches he visited

It most certainly doesn't date back to the 1st century

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f62dfb No.9362

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>>9361

>you are not a Christian

Anyone who is not a Catholic cannot be saved, thus they cannot be called "Christian"

>The "veneration" (idolatry) of anything doesn't even go back to Constantine.

Communion of the Saints is explicitly taught by the Fathers who were instructed by Saint John the beloved Apostle. John the Apostle was an idolator?

Ὑπὸ τὴν σὴν εὐσπλαγχνίαν, καταφεύγομεν, Θεοτόκε. Τὰς ἡμῶν ἱκεσίας, μὴ παρίδῃς ἐν περιστάσει, ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ κινδύνων λύτρωσαι ἡμᾶς, μόνη Ἁγνή, μόνη εὐλογημένη.

Which translates:

Beneath your compassion,

We take refuge, O Mother of God:

do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:

but rescue us from dangers,

only pure, only blessed one.

(250AD–not only does this show the immaculate view of the Blessed Virgin, they're also praying to her)

''O purest one

O purest virgin

where the Holy Spirit is, there are all things readily ordered.

Where divine grace is present

the soil that, all untilled, bears bounteous fruit

in the life of the flesh, was in possession of the incorruptible citizenship,

and walked as such in all manner of virtues, and lived a life more excellent than man's common standard

thou hast put on the vesture of purity

has selected thee as the holy one and the wholly fair;

and through thy holy, and chaste, and pure, and undefiled womb

since of all the race of man thou art by birth the holy one, and the more honourable, and the purer, and the more pious than any other: and thou hast a mind whiter than the snow, and a body made purer than any gold''

(Gregory Thaumaturgus, early 3rd century)

Eastern Fathers called her Panagia, Achrantos, Theotokos, Aeiparthenos.

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b541cc No.9363

>>9361

>Matthew 18:3 in full context

>. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

neither Matthew 18:3 nor any other verse in the bible advocates blind faith. Faith in God in the bible means trusting God, believing that he will work for your benefit and trusting in his plans.

It does not mean blind belief, nowhere in the bible is such a thing advocated and no where in christendom outside of modern protestant churches is that advocated.

The bible tells us that the heaves declare the glory of God - ie that it's obvious that God exists

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