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20b23a  No.826847[Reply]

Welcome! This is a board for Christian discussion. Please read the rules linked above before posting.

>Even on a Christian board, use tor or a trusted VPN.

>Rules have been updated

>Logs are opened

>Flags added

If you are interested in being a volunteer, please email christchannel@pm.me

If your Christian church isn't represented in the flags and you would like one, tell me the name and post the appropriate emblem ITT

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b68021  No.827912

tor check

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b9561a  No.658214[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

NON EST VERA LIBERTAS NISI IN SOLA ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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c629e1  No.828079

>>828075

>I have a "friend" who thinks simply believing in God is enough to get into Heaven.

That is a common protestant mis-belief

> How do I convince him otherwise?

say the Prayer to Our Mother of Perpetual Help for the conversion of a Sinner. Page 123 of Catholic Prayers. You have to realize that sinners love sin more than they do God.

>He lives a very sinful life and I worry for him

It's a very sinful world. There is little we can do about it; temptation is everywhere and the devil tells everyone there is no God.

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c629e1  No.828081

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>>828072

>What do you think of ecologist zealots among christians?

They worship of the goddess Gaia. This is a false god. God created the world for us to live upon, use and to find salvation; God did not create the world for us to worship.

>our dear Pope

You might consider saying the "the Prayer to Our Mother of Perpetual Help for the conversion of a Sinner" for our dear "Pope", Jorge Bergoglio. I'm pretty sure a true Vicar of Christ doesn't cling to false fertility goddesses.

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c629e1  No.828110

I really like our Parocial Vicar in my FSSP parish. He's smart, he well educated in the church doctrine, I can understand his Latin, and he does a great sermon. (Do Catholics call it a sermon or something else?) He's a great teacher.

Anyway, I want to find an SSPX church, because I don't want to be confirmed by a Novus ordo bishop.

What do I do?

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ffeae6  No.828112

>>828110

FSSP priests are ordained according to the 'novus ordo' ritual by the local bishop, so either you conform to your dioceses or just go full blown sspx, besides is your bishop a notorious heretic?

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d93e28  No.828115

>>828079

> thinks simply believing in God is enough to get into Heaven.

>That is a common protestant mis-belief

Don't go pointing fingers and making false associations

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e8a926  No.828073[Reply]

It's not a sin for a child to have an imaginary friend teddy bear, and he has one in the first place because he isn't socially experienced enough to find a real friend, so in his teddy bear, he finds a loving companion that will support him. Similar case, some people have "waifus" because no real girl likes them, so in their waifu, they find a loving companion that will support them.

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5df878  No.828076

It is a venial sin for the unmarried because it keeps you from finding a real girl to be a wife and making lots of Christian babies. Your efforts should be gaining the social skills to get married and attract and provide for a wife.

At least, that's my opinion, which doesn't mean much.

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398a31  No.828078

>>828073

>Similar case, some people have "waifus" because no real girl likes them, so in their waifu, they find a loving companion that will support them.

The waifu thing is supposed to be a joke. It's a meme. Work on your character and make some friends. Learn to show your feelings to a woman and show her you actually care about her, but not unless she's comfortable with you. Having an imaginary waifu and not seeking an actual wife goes against God's command to be fruitful and multiply.

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040bc8  No.828084

Come on

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3adc2f  No.828098

>>828073

delete this thread

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2d0a8e  No.828114

>>828073

>It's not a sin for a child to have an imaginary friend teddy bear

<When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

<1 Cor 13:11

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f049d4  No.828069[Reply]

Talk about your success's with your family. Your failings. Have you made any progress, or has it been downhill?

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ccb3e4  No.828071

>>828069

I live in a family of 6, only boy among 3 sisters. We were raised christians. Today I tend to only see what's wrong in my family, but I'm thankful for everything that was done right by my parents. I probably would be a fedora atheist if I wasn't taught the Bible early on. My older sister married a good christian and they are building a traditional family.

That being said, we have shortcomings. My parents don't really care for my youngest sister, who shamelessly fornicates with her boyfriend. The subject is avoided at home but I know what's up. It grieves me a lot but I feel there's not much I can do. I wish I had maintained a stronger bond with her, this could have been avoided then.

My other sister is doing good but is going through some kind of faith crisis. That's why instead of going to the mass yesterday I offered her to grab a beer and talk about it. I think I managed to answer some important questions she had and am thankful for it.

I feel like everything was made difficult by the fact that I studied abroad. I would never take this decision again. At least it taught how important it is to stay close to your relatives.

What about you anon?

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44d485  No.828082

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I grew up in a family that was very Catholic until Vatican II. When the new mass came along, they all gave up the faith, even my Priest uncle because the gates of hell had prevailed against the Church.

I was delighted to see that the church had survived the satanic holocaust of Vatican II via the Work of Archbishop Lefevbre, who I'm sure one day will be recognized as the Patron Saint of Courage, defender of the Church like Saint Joseph and God's warrior against Satan like Saint Micheal.

God Bless the good archbishop and God protect the true faithful of His Church.

My own family is a disaster. I tried to follow the teachings of the Church that I had thought had died, but I didn't learn about the FSSP, SSPX and SSPV until just a couple of years ago.

My wife and children are atheist, and will not be baptized. I sin every day for this.

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f049d4  No.828100

>>828069

My parents are the "just be nice type" of Christians. They never really taught me the faith. No sun I had to learn it on my own

I am have been having uncharitable towards others in my heart. I respect people, but my heart often is cold and nasty, and I feel like vermin before God. I try to do perfect contrition but I keep making the same mistakes over and over. My major vice is wrath. Please pray for me, I am being confirmed march 1st and am scared I am not worthy of it. Pray for me that I will conquer my demons, and that I will make it to heaven. I don't deserve Him, but He loves me..I wish I had a prayer buddy. :''''(

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782a28  No.828101

>>828069

i was neet for 5 yrs virtually, so my parents weren't very happy about it, but i enrolled into uni and things have gotten instantly better, they're catholic but poorly catechized, i want to convert them to a fuller observance of the church precepts, i don't think they do it because they're cafeteria but they're simple believers. I'm not sure how to go about it, and the time is not just right, but i feel pretty guilty about putting it off.

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b924e8  No.828113

>Mom is only Catholic in the family besides me

>she's dating a Prot boyfriend

>she's now skipping out on going to Mass every now and then

>Aunt was Catholic, not non-practicing apostate

>sister was Catholic, now ANTIFA lesbian

>Dad was non-practicing, but now fundamental evangelical

>Dad tried out Lutheranism, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventism… he's "shopping" but refuses Catholicism

>no one else in family even remotely Christian

>no Christian friends because it's not cool

>girlfriend wants to convert, but just because I'm passionate, not because she loves God

sad times, Christian. sad times.

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5841ec  No.828089[Reply]

I am interested in finding other beautiful prayers that speak to me on a deep, personal level. My favorite prayers are:

Suscipe of St. Ignatius of Loyola

>Receive, O Lord, all my liberty.

>Take my memory, understanding, and entire will.

>Whatever I have or possess you have given me;

>I restore it all to you, and surrender it wholly to be governed by your will.

>Give me love for you alone along with your grace,

>and I am rich enough, and ask for nothing more.

<Amen

Prayer of Saint Francis

>Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.

>Where there is hatred, let me bring love.

>Where there is offense, let me bring pardon.

>Where there is discord, let me bring union.

>Where there is error, let me bring truth.

>Where there is doubt, let me bring faith.

>Where there is despair, let me bring hope.

>Where there is darkness, let me bring your light.

>Where there is sadness, let me bring joy.

>O Master, let me not seek as much

>to be consoled as to console,

>to be understood as to understand,

>to be loved as to love,

>for it is in giving that one receives,

>it is in self-forgetting that one finds,

>it is in pardoning that one is pardoned,

>it is in dying that one is raised to eternal life.

<Amen

I also say these short prayers before Communion:

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f0d2cd  No.828106

>>828091

why is the book of the psalms in the bible? why did the apostles ask Christ how to pray and why do people still use that prayer?

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1ea5ee  No.828107

>>828091

>>828093

Reciting historic prayers is a biblical practice and a valuable tradition. There is nothing wrong with it.

What's wrong is merely repeating the words, which even catholics are clear to teach against.

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458e8b  No.828108

>>828095

>When I listen to someone say a pre-written, heartfelt prayer with the eloquence of a saint, it always sounds better than the fumbling spontaneous prayers I hear some Protestants do.

That's just it… Appearances are typically pretty low on our priority list. There's a reason for that.

>it always sounds better than the fumbling spontaneous prayers I hear some Protestants do.

That usually just indicates that they're nervous (because they're speaking before others) or that they just don't pray often and aren't comfortable with it. Which I'll admit is definitely a problem.

>How can you not read the prayers above and want to pray them?

Because they aren't me and don't reflect my heart. If I'm bringing anything to God other than 100% sincerity, something is very wrong. I have my own words. Maybe they're not as pretty and organized at times, but they are far more real than anything I could ever recite. And maybe this concept might not translate because you're Catholic, but how would you feel if your children almost never talked to you except in words that somebody else wrote?

>Jesus both prayed repetitively and instructed us to pray a repetitious prayer.

Not even close to the same thing as Matthew 26… And Protestants don't often interpret Luke 11 in the way you did.

>A repetitive prayer is not a vain repetition if it is sincere.

And how many people praying like this are sincere…? How many people recite the words, empty, going through the motions? Many aren't, sure. But I think the majority certainly are. And how can any repetitive action like this not lend itself to mindless monotony? The practice seems to encourage the vain to a very visible form of empty religiosity.

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8ec109  No.828109

I also find the prayer before receiving the Eucharist to be particularly effective and humbling oneself. Aside from the prayer of humility, I don't have many historic prayers, but I usually make my own with similar intentions.

>Lord Jesus, let me rather die than offend thee and give me a great horror for sin

<Amen

>Lord Jesus, let me love you above all things and let me do everything out of love for you

<Amen

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4f41f2  No.828111

>>828103

OP here. I LOVE this prayer. I just didn't include it because it's a part of the liturgy.

>>828108

>That usually just indicates that they're nervous (because they're speaking before others) or that they just don't pray often and aren't comfortable with it. Which I'll admit is definitely a problem.

Certainly. At least someone who has a favorite prayer memorized demonstrates that they've given prayer enough thought to dedicate one to memory, and many times they do that because it resonates with them.

>Because they aren't me and don't reflect my heart. If I'm bringing anything to God other than 100% sincerity, something is very wrong.

I agree. But that doesn't mean people who recite prayers aren't sincere. If you don't know of any existing prayers that convey your sentiments, that's fine. That doesn't mean that other people can't convey their sentiments through the words of others. Sometimes the things that other people say inspire us and teach us. Maybe the way that another person prays is insightful and makes us realize that we could be praying better.

>because you're Catholic, but how would you feel if your children almost never talked to you except in words that somebody else wrote?

Is this how you think about Catholics? Let me paint another picture. Imagine that your children talk to you in their own words, but they also quote your favorite movies and books and songs from time to time. It's a bonding thing. Don't you want your children to like what you like? Similarly, don't you want to like what your father likes? Just because we pray prayers that we didn't write ourselves, doesn't mean we don't talk to the Lord in our own words.

>And Protestants don't often interpret Luke 11 in the way you did.

Just because Protestants don't interpret scripture in that way, doesn't mean they are right. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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0cc38e  No.828077[Reply]

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f0ee1c  No.828094

>>828077

Good for him.. but I think all boxers say this. They're the most religious athletes around, funnily.

I'd hate to piss him off though, Christian or not. Reminds me a bit of George Foreman (also a great guy).

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d2dfc1  No.828055[Reply]

I've been thinking about the concept of oversocialization from Uncle Ted's Industrial Society and It's Future, and this occurred to me.

In case you haven't read it, basically, socialization is when people learn the norms, morals, and values of society, and then act on the. Oversociallization is when someone learns these norms, morals, and values of society and takes them too far, to the point that they reject them on the whole because the think they do not hold up to their own standards. An example would be a liberal who hates America and say that it was founded on racism, even though in actuality America was founded on the ideal of the inherent equality of all men. Even though that ideal was not completely achieved in the beginning, and even if that ideal is factually incorrect and unachievable, that founding ideal was still there. An oversocialized person is incapable of understanding that even if an value of a society is not perfectly met, it is still a value of that society. If that didn't make sense, I suggest you go read Industrial Society and It's Future, it's explained much better in there.

Anyway, I've noticed that atheists seem to have this same sort of oversocialized attitude towards Christianity. Whenever you hear them complain about Christianity, it always boils down to the same two reasons:

>1. God is mean, and doesn't follow his own rules.

or

>2. Christians are mean, and don't follow their own rules.

Notice the similarity to oversocialization? They will complain that God says killing people is wrong, but then kills people. Or that Christians say that you should love everybody, but then are sometimes hateful. And so on. Notice that nowhere do they disagree that killing is wrong, or that love is good. Their main complaint is that they think that God and Christians don't live up to their own standard. They are oversocialized.

Of course, this isn't an entirely perfect theory. They will also claim that Christians are bad because Christianity opposes homosexuality. But even then, one of their biggest reaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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4db078  No.828060

>>828055

Most Christians themselves are oversocialized nominal Christians.

This blog here

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/

is practically nothing more than a showcase of the mental gymnastics that modern Christians do to try and twist scripture to say exactly the opposite of what it actually says so they can be functionally secular liberals while still calling themselves Christians

Atheism is more of a rejection of Christianity chiefly based on two things: an inability to live according to the lifestyle requirements of being a Christian and following from this, a failure to understand why these requirements are necessary. It also has a lot to do with ego stroking as well, many atheists and agnostics get that hipsterish inflated sense of superiority from thinking that they're smarter than Christians on the basis of believing in things like carbon dating or "cosmic background radiation" or other such nonsense. They imagine that being an atheist is edgy and cool when in practice most of them simply conform to hedonism and popular culture, having no moral system of their own

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d0826c  No.828062

>>828055

I havn't read ted but he seems interesting, so ill probably read him when the time is right, aparently he was heavily influenced by jacques ellul a christian theologian.

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b9764d  No.828086

>>828058

>Stuff like tolerance and equality. And these values conflict with Christianity.

Nah, he's right, though indirectly.

Liberal tolerance and equality is a twice removed mutation of christian tolerance and equality(aka treating people fairly and without showing partiality), twisted into allowing all kinds of derangements as normal.

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6c8162  No.828087

>>828086

>Liberal tolerance and equality is a twice removed mutation of christian tolerance and equality

Yeah, liberals have the gall to actually put into practice those values, instead of just preaching them but being hypocrites.

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3ddee7  No.828092

>>828087

Since when was tolerance a Christian value to begin with? We disapprove of quite a bit. There's nothing hypocritical about not following something you don't even care about in the first place.

Our entire religion is founded on freeing people from their sins and the demonic influences in their cultures. The only thing tolerant about it is that we're called to simply leave you alone, if you want it. As Christ said, "Do not throw your pearls before swine."

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b3d98c  No.827950[Reply]

Do you know why Christians are Jewish slaves???

Because you worship a Jewish guy

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10a75a  No.828018

>>827960

>Yes, Christ was born in the tribe of Judah like in the line of David just like prophecy said, but NT Jews and modern Ashkenazi Jews (the ones pulling the strings) are different races and practice different religions.

In that case, who are "da real joos" who are supposed to convert en-masse before the End Times, as foretold in Romans and Church tradition?

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7d53e8  No.828037

>>828018

Does it really matter? Maybe it's the Irish and they already converted. If then so what? That seems like the most inconsequential prophecy to worry about since it concerns no one else but them.

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8ec14b  No.828039

Worship the son of God with us, atheist.

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a7efcf  No.828088

>>828037

>Does it really matter? Maybe it's the Irish and they already converted.

Yes, it matters.

The conversion of the jews is supposed to be some big deal.

If it was some random group of levantine arabs or other meds that don't even know they are jews, it makes no impact.

If they are already christians, it makes no sense.

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36ba8f  No.828090

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>>828088

These precious dubs died for your post…

>>828018

>In that case, who are "da real joos" who are supposed to convert en-masse before the End Times

That already happened sometime during 66AD. It was a literal 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. There's your remnant that Paul was predicting in Romans 11. Now you know!

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ad5a6b  No.828014[Reply]

According to christianity Satan must have redeemed himself from causing Adam and Eve's fall as he had his children save humanity by giving a human sacrifice. Salvation was brought about by the works of jews, children of their father satan. Salvation is not due to faith or God's forgiveness, but rather works stemming from free will of devils.

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ad5a6b  No.828022

>>828021

>"children of their father satan" (as you call them)

I didn't come up with it

>after they rejected the Christ

that does not contradict anything I said. Their rejection of christ, ie not recognizing him as Yahweh known and worshipped by their forefathers, happened before they killed him and saved mankind, which was satan's children undoing satan's wrong.

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beb462  No.828047

>>828014

Jesus didn't say all Jews. He called the Pharisees the children of Satan. This is right in the Temple, after he saved the woman that the scribes and pharisees were about to stone (who was Jewish herself), and when he was already preaching to many other Jews at the mount of Olives – other Jews who were happy to follow him.

The attempt to read this as being "all Jews" is from modern Jews who seek to see themselves in the text, and wish to discredit the Gospels. And you're playing right into it. Or one of them yourself.

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fed45a  No.828054

>>828021

>they only became "children of their father satan" (as you call them) after they rejected the Christ

Pretty sure they were children of Satan long before that…

>>828014

>Salvation is not due to faith or God's forgiveness, but rather works stemming from free will of devils.

Satan can do nothing except what God allows him to, and God first prophesied the coming and work of His Son in the promise He made to Eve regarding her seed crushing the head of the serpent. It was God that brought Jesus into the world, always planning it, and it was God that lived a perfect life, even in spite of Satan directly tempting Him. Jesus even said that no man takes His life from Him… That He intended to lay it down willingly and also to take it back up again.

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ad5a6b  No.828083

>>828054

What did God allow Himself to find tempting for 40 days? Satan must've offered something pretty impressive to have even God find it tempting for over a month. But that's another topic.

>That He intended to lay it down willingly and also to take it back up again.

He was still put to death by works stemming from the free will of jews, no? Or did the rejectors of Jesus not have free will?

>>828047

>only some jews are the children of satan

what does that change with regards to my post? I didn't say *all jews* either. Obviously *all jews* wouldn't have been there to sacrifice Jesus and save mankind. Only some of them had to be available for satan's works of undoing the fall.

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fed45a  No.828085

File: d0369e851d94a3a⋯.jpg (14.9 KB, 261x208, 261:208, (you).jpg)

>>828083

>But that's another topic.

No it isn't.

1. You're assuming that Satan was on His butt for the whole 40 days, which would be incorrect. It was at the beginning, and then the remaining 40 days Jesus was ministered to by angels.

2. The 40 days were God's idea.

>He was still put to death by works stemming from the free will of jews, no?

Wrong camp, I'm a Calvinist. Creaturely will is free to act according to its nature, but subordinate to the will of God. They can only do what He lets them, just like their father.

>satan's works of undoing the fall.

Undoing? You evidently don't even understand the extent of the effects of the cross if you think Jesus's sacrifice merely "undid" the effects of Adam's sin in the garden. It went so far beyond that… More to the point, Satan was a tool. He was defeated and cast down to the earth, somewhere around the time of when Jesus incarnated and started working, where he was used by God to bring about His plan. I'm certain that Satan didn't even realize what he was doing until it was too late. He's probably kicking himself now for being made such a fool of.

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a37f3a  No.828057[Reply]

Where is god come from ?

human imagine ?

there are no where in bible answer this question right ? so all answer are merely come from fantasy of believers

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8a085f  No.828063

>>828057

the idea of god was placed in the human imagination by god. virtually every society believes in god before modern era, so actually atheism is artificially placed in human mind by societal conditioning.

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8a085f  No.828064

>>828057

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

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a37f3a  No.828066

File: bfc70fb643bbda2⋯.jpg (684.05 KB, 1280x1024, 5:4, saga_paper06-1280x1024.jpg)

>>828064

I don't know what are you talking about

>>828059

where did you get that from? because I am sure it's not in the bible

>>828063

still not answer the question

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60d4dd  No.828068

>>828066

God is the I AM, He is that which *is*, He is the Only-Existing One. God the Father exists from all eternity without beginning, and likewise the Son is begotten of the Father from all eternity, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father from all eternity. Being itself is defined in terms of who God is.

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0eaa20  No.828080

The human body of a jewish male into which god incarnated ,which is the christian object of worship and is called Jesus, was created circa 2000 years ago. Probably by the Father.

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File: 9e84c456826cbc4⋯.jpg (51.75 KB, 600x860, 30:43, knight-chan.jpg)

96d0c8  No.827166[Reply]

Let's talk about wholesome entertainment.

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96d0c8  No.827738

File: 315ce7dc68f3bde⋯.webm (8.47 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, cellsatwork2.webm)

File: 7ae0bedcee9ccaa⋯.webm (3.08 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, cutecells.webm)

Cells at work isn't a christian or religious show, but it's very wholesome and cute. Educational too. The protagonists are mostly anthropomorphised immune cells who are trying to keep some dude safe.

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0953a7  No.827746

File: b631eeb3a2660b8⋯.jpg (404.45 KB, 985x1394, 985:1394, Crossfire.jpg)

Crossfire isn't very wholesome, but is about a Vatican hit squad, pretty cool

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8906df  No.827781

File: 6d43c498e9b7144⋯.jpg (32.47 KB, 499x280, 499:280, download.jpg)

>>827551

Unfortunate to hear about Vatican Miracle Examiner and very suspicious of Chrono Crusade.

Had the displeasure of seeing Ao No Exorcist/Blue Exorcist anime to the end and it got wonky, even for my younger, less religiously aware self back in the day. Characters quickly felt remorse to exorcising demons the moment they got the upper hand and depicted the devil as being somewhat misunderstood creature who didn't understand love. Then a priest revealed to be bad because he wanted to blow up something with a giant missile called "messiah". Maybe I misunderstood the show since it has been awhile but don't really want to go back to find out and it has largely killed my interest in anime in general to this day.

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96d0c8  No.828074

File: f0d5ee41b38c9ba⋯.jpg (142.74 KB, 960x540, 16:9, camping.jpg)

Anyone watching heya camp? Unfortunate that their new episodes are so short. Still nice to see the campers again though.

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57d781  No.828099

>>827166

>wholesome entertainment

>Posts picture of a girl with gigantic boobs, skin-tight latex leggings, and revealing short skirt

come on now

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File: af7391bd94633ec⋯.jpg (327.59 KB, 1024x734, 512:367, Romans 9 when you put Free….jpg)

124266  No.827800[Reply]

An exegetical response to https://8kun.top/christianity/res/10110.html

New thread here because that board is basically closed now and my focus is more on Romans itself. Plus this is going to be several posts long. I'm sure SBC anon will find this thread interesting, since there's a very good chance I'm directly addressing your position or at least something similar to it. I'll be using the NASB for this, if you'd like to follow along. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NASB

I'm not going to leave chapter 9 except to demonstrate how chapters 8 and 9 connect.

I invite any "Traditionalist" to walk through the passage in the way that I'm about to, without leaving chapters 8 and 9.

Chapter 8

Starting in verse 26.

>In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

"Us" in this context refers to Paul's audience, the believers in Rome that he's writing to, along with himself. Keep that in mind going forward.

>and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

The one searching the hearts is the Father. "He" who intercedes for the saints is the Spirit.

>And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

Those who are "called" are those who love God. "His purpose" is the purpose that will later be brought up in 9:11. "God’s purpose according to His choice." In the Greek it is ἐκλογὴν πρόθεσις, literally God's "election purpose."

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1f9688  No.827964

>>827963

no offense my friend but I just don't care to go through all the points you're bringing.

> Could we say the inherited curse of original sin? Or the inherited effects of original sin? Would you agree with me on that much, that original sin has effects which are inherited by all of Adam's children?

Yes I agree entirely. My point is that committing your own sin is what damns you, nobody is damned for the sin of Adam but Adam. We all end up sinning because he sinned first.

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2f9d58  No.828016

File: 9b0911fd151ad0b⋯.png (694.39 KB, 808x800, 101:100, 2A386C99-241B-4570-BA36-D8….png)

We need to be careful with where we take a conversation on predestination as per Martin Luther “nothing in the bible permits us to think about the system or propertiesof God’s foreknowledge of who he saves and who he doesn’t.”

Luther suggests we understand this in the exact order that Paul presents it. “FIRST, you have faith, THEN are saved, BECAUSE of the grace of God.” Jumping ahead to the last part without properly understanding the first two is greatly harmful and not how we were instructed

>Also, side note on 8:26

- This defeats the argument that Catholics who pray with interceseions to saints, or in front of a statue, aren’t praying to God. If a Catholic is in good faith trying to venerate Christ as he learned, you honestly don’t think the Holy Spirit won’t clean up that prayer as described here?

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b5048d  No.828052

File: 73af373b2d09cf6⋯.mp4 (6.98 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Erin 🐠 - a window to the i….mp4)

>>828016

Luther suggests we understand this in the exact order that Paul presents it. “FIRST, you have faith, THEN are saved, BECAUSE of the grace of God.”

Cool, but that's Ephesians 2. We're talking about Romans 8 and 9. Feel free to quote Luther on that if you want.

>If a Catholic is in good faith trying to venerate Christ as he learned, you honestly don’t think the Holy Spirit won’t clean up that prayer as described here?

No, because by definition they cannot be in good faith and thus do not have the Holy Spirit. If a Catholic properly understands Rome's gospel and still professes it, they are of a different faith entirely. Praying to saints in this way, dear Mother Mary included, is intimately tied into ideas like priestly absolution.

>>827964

>no offense my friend but I just don't care to go through all the points you're bringing.

I'll be around if you change your mind.

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eb7df9  No.828056

>>828016

do not use the german blackletters unless you use the long s correctly.

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e8a041  No.828067

arriving late, i must just comment that there are some choice meats being proffered in this conversation

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63af60  No.803959[Reply]

"Witnesses say that when the prince arrived in Athos days after the death of Princess Diana almost seven years ago, it was Ephraim who induced him to join the faith. Closeted in a chamber alone with the abbot, Charles is believed to have made a "spiritual commitment" to Christian Orthodoxy"

>Prince Charles, the heir to the British throne and future head of the Anglican Church, is Ortho

I… what…?

uh, thoughts?

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af2ef5  No.816982

Who cares? The royal family matters so little in the grand scheme of things now that they’re basically LARPing as more important versions of themselves (although I might have a bias being an American)

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91dbea  No.819647

>>803974

I keep holding onto a somewhat foolish hope we'll live to see traditionalist Anglicans become the "British Orthodox" instead, and let the pozzed faction just go merrily to hell without them.

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b2c23c  No.819758

He wants to change Defender of the Faith to Defender of the Faiths. Like all religions in including Islam.

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b44796  No.828036

>>816646

>>816751

Jean Borella has written a very good critique of Guenon from an orthodox Catholic perspective.

Guenon should be considered for his critique of modernity but his perennialism has a bunch of holes in it even though it's easy to be seduced by his authoritative tone and comfy esoteric prose.

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718a4a  No.828065

File: 7c12228cc80a2b3⋯.jpg (89.22 KB, 800x640, 5:4, fr-seraphim-rose.jpg)

>>828036

Seraphim Rose

>It so happens that Rene Guenon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). I read and studied with eagerness all his books that I could get a hold of; through his influence I studied ·the ancient Chinese language and resolved to do for the Chinese tradition what he had done for the Hindu; I was even able to meet and study with a genuine representative of the Chinese tradition and understood full well what he means by the difference between such authentic teachers and the mere “professors” who teach in the universities.

>It was Rene Guenon who taught me to seek and love the Truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else; this is what finally brought me to the Orthodox Church. Perhaps a word of my experience will be of help for you to know.

>For years in my studies I was satisfied with being “above all traditions” but somehow faithful to them; I only went deeper into the Chinese tradition because no one had presented it in the West from a fully traditional point of view.When I visited an Orthodox Church, it was only in order to view another “tradition”-knowing that Guenon (and one of his disciples) had described Orthodoxy as the most authentic of the Christian traditions.

>However, when I entered an Orthodox Church for the first time (a Russian Church in San Francisco), something happened to me that I had not experienced in any Buddhist or other Eastern temple; something in my heart said that this is “home,” that all my search was over. I didn’t really know what.. this meant, because the service was quite strange to me, and in a foreign language. I began to attend Orthodox services more frequently, gradually learning its language and customs, but still keeping all my basic Guenonion ideas about all the authentic spiritual traditions.”

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f89347  No.827441[Reply]

Hindu here. Anyone interested in a debate? Why is Abrahamic religions so hell-bent on insisting that only their methods of worship is valid and other methods ought to be destroyed?

If God is one, then why not let others worship god like how they want to and and learn to live and let live?

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bf4967  No.828043

>>828035

>Burning heretics and witches is not at all the same thing as saying, "Your husband died. Now you HAVE to die too."

well witches didn't do s—. At least the widows are guilty of being widows.

>actions of christians don't count!

well that's convenient, so much for judging the fruits.

>In Hinduism, widows and low caste people don't commit any real crime

witchcraft and heresy aren't real crimes either. Hindus have as much reason to burn widows as you have over fake crimes and wrong thoughts.

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34107a  No.828046

>>828043

There's nothing in this worth replying to.

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b748d9  No.828051

>>827441

Honestly, tell me, what is even the point of your religion if you consider it such a relative thing? If you are of the mind that not only you could be right, but that we could be right as well, and your doctrine/theology supports this, Hinduism must have very weak conviction in its own truth. And be that the case, it undermines its own system of morality.

Perhaps God may take many forms, but this is not in accordance with our scriptures. Our God inflicted terrible destruction upon his own people for worship of anything other than Himself (referred to in the Bible as "Idols"). This was probably the most commonly maligned sin in the Old Testament, practically all 49 OT books bring it up. It is the first among the Ten Commandments handed down to Moses: "I am the Lord your God and you shall have no others before me."

In Catholic and Orthodox doctrine, it follows from this that receiving the sacrements handed down to us by Christ and his Apostles are absolutely necessary for salvation and without at the very least Baptism, you are guaranteed damnation. There is no room for interpretation on what the sacrements are or how other religions may practice them. God in the Old Testament struck down His followers for improper worship; why should we believe that He, an all-powerful deity outside of time, would not hold to the same principles today? God is unchanging. Any worship outside of the church is simply worship of Satan.

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0ca9f1  No.828053

>>827441

>If God is one, then why not let others worship god like how they want to and and learn to live and let live?

You've got it backwards, friend. It is precisely because God is One that there cannot be "other ways" to worship him.

God reveals Himself to mankind. He does this not merely in an impersonal, generic way - He does not merely make it known that there is a "higher power" watching over mankind - but instead, He reveals himself personally, and specifically. He reveals to us, for one, that He exists as knowable Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit reveal themselves to us. And through this personal revelation, we come to learn many concrete things about these Persons who are God - about how God created Mankind and all the rest of creation, what He intends for us, how He has interacted with us throughout history and today, and how we are to interact with Him. Human beings are not just random creatures, but rather, we are specifically made in the Image and Likeness of God - in particular, of God the Son.

We learn, as a result of this revelation, that God is One, and is the Only-Existing One, and that the purpose of all human life is to find Him, and live according to the nature He created us in. To live contrarily to God is not merely to have a "different method" of living - rather, that is a fundamental divergence in what it means to be a human being. Our Faith is not merely some vague, spiritualist attempt to reach towards the "higher power" - it is, rather, a direct, personal relationship with discrete Persons, who are known to us as they ARE, not by any proxy.

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fce09b  No.828070

Because God incarnated and told us how to worship Him so there is no further need for guessing and nothing to be learned from other ways of worship because that would put in question Christ's divinity. So it is our duty to bring the news of God made flesh and save souls.

As to Jewry they dont care about saving others, and islam only cares about subjugation not soul saving.

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f6fb98  No.804399[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hi brothers. I want your take on this podcast by Matthew Raphael Johnson. As a catholic, I listened for some time even though I considered the approach to be a bit larpy at some times.

Last few weeks I could not have wrapped my mind around him saying Notre Dame cathedral is just "middle class bourgeois attraction" and likened it to "cremation of the corpse" because nobody "knows the symbolism" etc.

Like..does the guy not realize that the building itself has a great value in its beauty and it can be a nucleus of resurrection of French people? The last thing I would expect from the guy is to liken it to "cremation of a corpse".

Truly disgusting. I no longer listen regularly but I was a bit shocked by such an introduction. He said he would expand upon it on "daily nationalist" but I do not think he ever did and I no longer listen to that anyway.

If you want to listen for yourself here

https://archive.radioaryan.com/TON/TON%20041719.mp3

It is on the beginning of the episode, the very first few minutes.

What is your take on this guy?

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3dfe68  No.825150

>>804503

You're not going to last long here lmao

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c54503  No.828024

>>804399

> him saying Notre Dame cathedral is just "middle class bourgeois attraction"

I don't like Matthew Johnson but he's right. It is essentially a tourist attraction and many fear that it will be rebuilt to be even more explicitly a tourist attraction (tourist shops etc).

I've listened to a few of his podcasts and it's usually dishonest takes on why thinker X actually proves Orthodoxy to be right, and then he'll throw in some conspiracy theory that Orthos care about.

I actually like the Orthodox, but they have a terrible internet community and I don't think they produce smart theologians. Jay Dyer is another example of a midwit pseud.

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4d4dd2  No.828044

File: e137f07e3b03acb⋯.jpg (689.62 KB, 850x1095, 170:219, WON3.jpg)

>>825150

I've been here since the board got founded.

We had bible readings, chapter by chapter analysis of St. Augustine's "Confessions", and making indographics and torrents with recommended reading lists of christian books, subdivided by branch of Christendom.

Now we've been reduced to faggots shilling nobodies with podcasts who's only quality is being edgy, and therefor "based".

Don't make me laugh, all of those i listed above are a joke.

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65ffe8  No.828049

>>828044

Amen. I wouldn't say it's completely reduced, but we're in some strange place where discussion of internet memes somehow holds weight and are treated as serious contributions to Church life.

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04eadc  No.828050

>>828024

MRJ isn't Orthodox. He's an Old Calendarist schismatic. No relation to the Church. It's like citing the Dimond Brothers to make a point against the Roman Catholic church - you're talking about an entirely separate group of people.

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