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>>828075

>I have a "friend" who thinks simply believing in God is enough to get into Heaven.

That is a common protestant mis-belief

> How do I convince him otherwise?

say the Prayer to Our Mother of Perpetual Help for the conversion of a Sinner. Page 123 of Catholic Prayers. You have to realize that sinners love sin more than they do God.

>He lives a very sinful life and I worry for him

It's a very sinful world. There is little we can do about it; temptation is everywhere and the devil tells everyone there is no God.

I really like our Parocial Vicar in my FSSP parish. He's smart, he well educated in the church doctrine, I can understand his Latin, and he does a great sermon. (Do Catholics call it a sermon or something else?) He's a great teacher.

Anyway, I want to find an SSPX church, because I don't want to be confirmed by a Novus ordo bishop.

What do I do?

>>828110

FSSP priests are ordained according to the 'novus ordo' ritual by the local bishop, so either you conform to your dioceses or just go full blown sspx, besides is your bishop a notorious heretic?

>>828079

> thinks simply believing in God is enough to get into Heaven.

>That is a common protestant mis-belief

Don't go pointing fingers and making false associations

It is a venial sin for the unmarried because it keeps you from finding a real girl to be a wife and making lots of Christian babies. Your efforts should be gaining the social skills to get married and attract and provide for a wife.

At least, that's my opinion, which doesn't mean much.

>>828073

>Similar case, some people have "waifus" because no real girl likes them, so in their waifu, they find a loving companion that will support them.

The waifu thing is supposed to be a joke. It's a meme. Work on your character and make some friends. Learn to show your feelings to a woman and show her you actually care about her, but not unless she's comfortable with you. Having an imaginary waifu and not seeking an actual wife goes against God's command to be fruitful and multiply.

Come on

>>828073

delete this thread

>>828073

>It's not a sin for a child to have an imaginary friend teddy bear

<When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

<1 Cor 13:11

>>828069

I live in a family of 6, only boy among 3 sisters. We were raised christians. Today I tend to only see what's wrong in my family, but I'm thankful for everything that was done right by my parents. I probably would be a fedora atheist if I wasn't taught the Bible early on. My older sister married a good christian and they are building a traditional family.

That being said, we have shortcomings. My parents don't really care for my youngest sister, who shamelessly fornicates with her boyfriend. The subject is avoided at home but I know what's up. It grieves me a lot but I feel there's not much I can do. I wish I had maintained a stronger bond with her, this could have been avoided then.

My other sister is doing good but is going through some kind of faith crisis. That's why instead of going to the mass yesterday I offered her to grab a beer and talk about it. I think I managed to answer some important questions she had and am thankful for it.

I feel like everything was made difficult by the fact that I studied abroad. I would never take this decision again. At least it taught how important it is to stay close to your relatives.

What about you anon?

>>828069

My parents are the "just be nice type" of Christians. They never really taught me the faith. No sun I had to learn it on my own

I am have been having uncharitable towards others in my heart. I respect people, but my heart often is cold and nasty, and I feel like vermin before God. I try to do perfect contrition but I keep making the same mistakes over and over. My major vice is wrath. Please pray for me, I am being confirmed march 1st and am scared I am not worthy of it. Pray for me that I will conquer my demons, and that I will make it to heaven. I don't deserve Him, but He loves me..I wish I had a prayer buddy. :''''(

>>828069

i was neet for 5 yrs virtually, so my parents weren't very happy about it, but i enrolled into uni and things have gotten instantly better, they're catholic but poorly catechized, i want to convert them to a fuller observance of the church precepts, i don't think they do it because they're cafeteria but they're simple believers. I'm not sure how to go about it, and the time is not just right, but i feel pretty guilty about putting it off.

>Mom is only Catholic in the family besides me

>she's dating a Prot boyfriend

>she's now skipping out on going to Mass every now and then

>Aunt was Catholic, not non-practicing apostate

>sister was Catholic, now ANTIFA lesbian

>Dad was non-practicing, but now fundamental evangelical

>Dad tried out Lutheranism, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventism… he's "shopping" but refuses Catholicism

>no one else in family even remotely Christian

>no Christian friends because it's not cool

>girlfriend wants to convert, but just because I'm passionate, not because she loves God

sad times, Christian. sad times.

>>828091

why is the book of the psalms in the bible? why did the apostles ask Christ how to pray and why do people still use that prayer?

>>828091

>>828093

Reciting historic prayers is a biblical practice and a valuable tradition. There is nothing wrong with it.

What's wrong is merely repeating the words, which even catholics are clear to teach against.

>>828095

>When I listen to someone say a pre-written, heartfelt prayer with the eloquence of a saint, it always sounds better than the fumbling spontaneous prayers I hear some Protestants do.

That's just it… Appearances are typically pretty low on our priority list. There's a reason for that.

>it always sounds better than the fumbling spontaneous prayers I hear some Protestants do.

That usually just indicates that they're nervous (because they're speaking before others) or that they just don't pray often and aren't comfortable with it. Which I'll admit is definitely a problem.

>How can you not read the prayers above and want to pray them?

Because they aren't me and don't reflect my heart. If I'm bringing anything to God other than 100% sincerity, something is very wrong. I have my own words. Maybe they're not as pretty and organized at times, but they are far more real than anything I could ever recite. And maybe this concept might not translate because you're Catholic, but how would you feel if your children almost never talked to you except in words that somebody else wrote?

>Jesus both prayed repetitively and instructed us to pray a repetitious prayer.

Not even close to the same thing as Matthew 26… And Protestants don't often interpret Luke 11 in the way you did.

>A repetitive prayer is not a vain repetition if it is sincere.

And how many people praying like this are sincere…? How many people recite the words, empty, going through the motions? Many aren't, sure. But I think the majority certainly are. And how can any repetitive action like this not lend itself to mindless monotony? The practice seems to encourage the vain to a very visible form of empty religiosity.

>>828097Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

I also find the prayer before receiving the Eucharist to be particularly effective and humbling oneself. Aside from the prayer of humility, I don't have many historic prayers, but I usually make my own with similar intentions.

>Lord Jesus, let me rather die than offend thee and give me a great horror for sin

<Amen

>Lord Jesus, let me love you above all things and let me do everything out of love for you

<Amen

>>828103

OP here. I LOVE this prayer. I just didn't include it because it's a part of the liturgy.

>>828108

>That usually just indicates that they're nervous (because they're speaking before others) or that they just don't pray often and aren't comfortable with it. Which I'll admit is definitely a problem.

Certainly. At least someone who has a favorite prayer memorized demonstrates that they've given prayer enough thought to dedicate one to memory, and many times they do that because it resonates with them.

>Because they aren't me and don't reflect my heart. If I'm bringing anything to God other than 100% sincerity, something is very wrong.

I agree. But that doesn't mean people who recite prayers aren't sincere. If you don't know of any existing prayers that convey your sentiments, that's fine. That doesn't mean that other people can't convey their sentiments through the words of others. Sometimes the things that other people say inspire us and teach us. Maybe the way that another person prays is insightful and makes us realize that we could be praying better.

>because you're Catholic, but how would you feel if your children almost never talked to you except in words that somebody else wrote?

Is this how you think about Catholics? Let me paint another picture. Imagine that your children talk to you in their own words, but they also quote your favorite movies and books and songs from time to time. It's a bonding thing. Don't you want your children to like what you like? Similarly, don't you want to like what your father likes? Just because we pray prayers that we didn't write ourselves, doesn't mean we don't talk to the Lord in our own words.

>And Protestants don't often interpret Luke 11 in the way you did.

Just because Protestants don't interpret scripture in that way, doesn't mean they are right. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>828077

Good for him.. but I think all boxers say this. They're the most religious athletes around, funnily.

I'd hate to piss him off though, Christian or not. Reminds me a bit of George Foreman (also a great guy).

>>828055

Most Christians themselves are oversocialized nominal Christians.

This blog here

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/

is practically nothing more than a showcase of the mental gymnastics that modern Christians do to try and twist scripture to say exactly the opposite of what it actually says so they can be functionally secular liberals while still calling themselves Christians

Atheism is more of a rejection of Christianity chiefly based on two things: an inability to live according to the lifestyle requirements of being a Christian and following from this, a failure to understand why these requirements are necessary. It also has a lot to do with ego stroking as well, many atheists and agnostics get that hipsterish inflated sense of superiority from thinking that they're smarter than Christians on the basis of believing in things like carbon dating or "cosmic background radiation" or other such nonsense. They imagine that being an atheist is edgy and cool when in practice most of them simply conform to hedonism and popular culture, having no moral system of their own

>>828055

I havn't read ted but he seems interesting, so ill probably read him when the time is right, aparently he was heavily influenced by jacques ellul a christian theologian.

>>828058

>Stuff like tolerance and equality. And these values conflict with Christianity.

Nah, he's right, though indirectly.

Liberal tolerance and equality is a twice removed mutation of christian tolerance and equality(aka treating people fairly and without showing partiality), twisted into allowing all kinds of derangements as normal.

>>828086

>Liberal tolerance and equality is a twice removed mutation of christian tolerance and equality

Yeah, liberals have the gall to actually put into practice those values, instead of just preaching them but being hypocrites.

>>828087

Since when was tolerance a Christian value to begin with? We disapprove of quite a bit. There's nothing hypocritical about not following something you don't even care about in the first place.

Our entire religion is founded on freeing people from their sins and the demonic influences in their cultures. The only thing tolerant about it is that we're called to simply leave you alone, if you want it. As Christ said, "Do not throw your pearls before swine."

>>827960

>Yes, Christ was born in the tribe of Judah like in the line of David just like prophecy said, but NT Jews and modern Ashkenazi Jews (the ones pulling the strings) are different races and practice different religions.

In that case, who are "da real joos" who are supposed to convert en-masse before the End Times, as foretold in Romans and Church tradition?

>>828018

Does it really matter? Maybe it's the Irish and they already converted. If then so what? That seems like the most inconsequential prophecy to worry about since it concerns no one else but them.

Worship the son of God with us, atheist.

>>828037

>Does it really matter? Maybe it's the Irish and they already converted.

Yes, it matters.

The conversion of the jews is supposed to be some big deal.

If it was some random group of levantine arabs or other meds that don't even know they are jews, it makes no impact.

If they are already christians, it makes no sense.

>>828021

>"children of their father satan" (as you call them)

I didn't come up with it

>after they rejected the Christ

that does not contradict anything I said. Their rejection of christ, ie not recognizing him as Yahweh known and worshipped by their forefathers, happened before they killed him and saved mankind, which was satan's children undoing satan's wrong.

>>828014

Jesus didn't say all Jews. He called the Pharisees the children of Satan. This is right in the Temple, after he saved the woman that the scribes and pharisees were about to stone (who was Jewish herself), and when he was already preaching to many other Jews at the mount of Olives – other Jews who were happy to follow him.

The attempt to read this as being "all Jews" is from modern Jews who seek to see themselves in the text, and wish to discredit the Gospels. And you're playing right into it. Or one of them yourself.

>>828021

>they only became "children of their father satan" (as you call them) after they rejected the Christ

Pretty sure they were children of Satan long before that…

>>828014

>Salvation is not due to faith or God's forgiveness, but rather works stemming from free will of devils.

Satan can do nothing except what God allows him to, and God first prophesied the coming and work of His Son in the promise He made to Eve regarding her seed crushing the head of the serpent. It was God that brought Jesus into the world, always planning it, and it was God that lived a perfect life, even in spite of Satan directly tempting Him. Jesus even said that no man takes His life from Him… That He intended to lay it down willingly and also to take it back up again.

>>828054

What did God allow Himself to find tempting for 40 days? Satan must've offered something pretty impressive to have even God find it tempting for over a month. But that's another topic.

>That He intended to lay it down willingly and also to take it back up again.

He was still put to death by works stemming from the free will of jews, no? Or did the rejectors of Jesus not have free will?

>>828047

>only some jews are the children of satan

what does that change with regards to my post? I didn't say *all jews* either. Obviously *all jews* wouldn't have been there to sacrifice Jesus and save mankind. Only some of them had to be available for satan's works of undoing the fall.

>>828057

the idea of god was placed in the human imagination by god. virtually every society believes in god before modern era, so actually atheism is artificially placed in human mind by societal conditioning.

>>828057

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

>>828066

God is the I AM, He is that which *is*, He is the Only-Existing One. God the Father exists from all eternity without beginning, and likewise the Son is begotten of the Father from all eternity, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father from all eternity. Being itself is defined in terms of who God is.

The human body of a jewish male into which god incarnated ,which is the christian object of worship and is called Jesus, was created circa 2000 years ago. Probably by the Father.

>>827166

>wholesome entertainment

>Posts picture of a girl with gigantic boobs, skin-tight latex leggings, and revealing short skirt

come on now

>>827963

no offense my friend but I just don't care to go through all the points you're bringing.

> Could we say the inherited curse of original sin? Or the inherited effects of original sin? Would you agree with me on that much, that original sin has effects which are inherited by all of Adam's children?

Yes I agree entirely. My point is that committing your own sin is what damns you, nobody is damned for the sin of Adam but Adam. We all end up sinning because he sinned first.

>>828016

do not use the german blackletters unless you use the long s correctly.

arriving late, i must just comment that there are some choice meats being proffered in this conversation

Who cares? The royal family matters so little in the grand scheme of things now that they’re basically LARPing as more important versions of themselves (although I might have a bias being an American)

>>803974

I keep holding onto a somewhat foolish hope we'll live to see traditionalist Anglicans become the "British Orthodox" instead, and let the pozzed faction just go merrily to hell without them.

He wants to change Defender of the Faith to Defender of the Faiths. Like all religions in including Islam.

>>816646

>>816751

Jean Borella has written a very good critique of Guenon from an orthodox Catholic perspective.

Guenon should be considered for his critique of modernity but his perennialism has a bunch of holes in it even though it's easy to be seduced by his authoritative tone and comfy esoteric prose.

>>828035

>Burning heretics and witches is not at all the same thing as saying, "Your husband died. Now you HAVE to die too."

well witches didn't do s—. At least the widows are guilty of being widows.

>actions of christians don't count!

well that's convenient, so much for judging the fruits.

>In Hinduism, widows and low caste people don't commit any real crime

witchcraft and heresy aren't real crimes either. Hindus have as much reason to burn widows as you have over fake crimes and wrong thoughts.

>>828043

There's nothing in this worth replying to.

>>827441

Honestly, tell me, what is even the point of your religion if you consider it such a relative thing? If you are of the mind that not only you could be right, but that we could be right as well, and your doctrine/theology supports this, Hinduism must have very weak conviction in its own truth. And be that the case, it undermines its own system of morality.

Perhaps God may take many forms, but this is not in accordance with our scriptures. Our God inflicted terrible destruction upon his own people for worship of anything other than Himself (referred to in the Bible as "Idols"). This was probably the most commonly maligned sin in the Old Testament, practically all 49 OT books bring it up. It is the first among the Ten Commandments handed down to Moses: "I am the Lord your God and you shall have no others before me."

In Catholic and Orthodox doctrine, it follows from this that receiving the sacrements handed down to us by Christ and his Apostles are absolutely necessary for salvation and without at the very least Baptism, you are guaranteed damnation. There is no room for interpretation on what the sacrements are or how other religions may practice them. God in the Old Testament struck down His followers for improper worship; why should we believe that He, an all-powerful deity outside of time, would not hold to the same principles today? God is unchanging. Any worship outside of the church is simply worship of Satan.

>>827441

>If God is one, then why not let others worship god like how they want to and and learn to live and let live?

You've got it backwards, friend. It is precisely because God is One that there cannot be "other ways" to worship him.

God reveals Himself to mankind. He does this not merely in an impersonal, generic way - He does not merely make it known that there is a "higher power" watching over mankind - but instead, He reveals himself personally, and specifically. He reveals to us, for one, that He exists as knowable Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit reveal themselves to us. And through this personal revelation, we come to learn many concrete things about these Persons who are God - about how God created Mankind and all the rest of creation, what He intends for us, how He has interacted with us throughout history and today, and how we are to interact with Him. Human beings are not just random creatures, but rather, we are specifically made in the Image and Likeness of God - in particular, of God the Son.

We learn, as a result of this revelation, that God is One, and is the Only-Existing One, and that the purpose of all human life is to find Him, and live according to the nature He created us in. To live contrarily to God is not merely to have a "different method" of living - rather, that is a fundamental divergence in what it means to be a human being. Our Faith is not merely some vague, spiritualist attempt to reach towards the "higher power" - it is, rather, a direct, personal relationship with discrete Persons, who are known to us as they ARE, not by any proxy.

Because God incarnated and told us how to worship Him so there is no further need for guessing and nothing to be learned from other ways of worship because that would put in question Christ's divinity. So it is our duty to bring the news of God made flesh and save souls.

As to Jewry they dont care about saving others, and islam only cares about subjugation not soul saving.

>>804503

You're not going to last long here lmao

>>804399

> him saying Notre Dame cathedral is just "middle class bourgeois attraction"

I don't like Matthew Johnson but he's right. It is essentially a tourist attraction and many fear that it will be rebuilt to be even more explicitly a tourist attraction (tourist shops etc).

I've listened to a few of his podcasts and it's usually dishonest takes on why thinker X actually proves Orthodoxy to be right, and then he'll throw in some conspiracy theory that Orthos care about.

I actually like the Orthodox, but they have a terrible internet community and I don't think they produce smart theologians. Jay Dyer is another example of a midwit pseud.

>>828044

Amen. I wouldn't say it's completely reduced, but we're in some strange place where discussion of internet memes somehow holds weight and are treated as serious contributions to Church life.

>>828024

MRJ isn't Orthodox. He's an Old Calendarist schismatic. No relation to the Church. It's like citing the Dimond Brothers to make a point against the Roman Catholic church - you're talking about an entirely separate group of people.