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File: c9bc669f68733d1⋯.jpg (190.3 KB,1500x1000,3:2,The_Resurrection_of_Christ.jpg)

6f4413 No.855308 [Open thread]

Christ is risen, brothers! Today, the most important holiday for Orthodox Christians is EASTER. Let us celebrate the Resurrection of our God, Jesus Christ.

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41ca92 No.855440

>>855437

I try to keep the commandments of God. It doesn't turn out very well, but I'm striving for improvement. 😄

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c6bc03 No.855442

>>855440

Wonderful! Praise God. Have you been baptised for the remission of your sins and have you received the Holy Ghost?

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41ca92 No.855449

>>855442

I was baptized with three dives in water.

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c6bc03 No.855450

>>855449

Unto what were you baptised?

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c6bc03 No.855451

>>855449

What was proclaimed over you when you were baptised?

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3af288 No.855395 [Open thread]

Hello. Does quantum mechanics prove God?

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4f7745 No.855396

File: 315b66b3cb3e5fb⋯.jpg (45.34 KB,826x419,826:419,11707858_995255070518535_5….jpg)

>Does quantum mechanics prove God?

Yes. In fact, all of physics does.

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abf170 No.855398

File: 2d39c8ddbc98c4d⋯.png (165.66 KB,401x382,401:382,2021_05_06_10_36_02_main_q….png)

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25a7e6 No.855429

>>855396

this

>>855395

It might be evidence for God, but that doesn't mean it will necessarily convert a skeptic. In my experience, skeptics usually have an emotional barrier that prevents them from believing, not a intelectual one.

btw, proof only exists in math.

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c9623a No.855384 [Open thread]

Without God, nothing can be fixed.

Former NFL Player: ‘We Gotta Get God Back In Our Schools’ To Solve Racial, Economic Divide

“Back in 2016, when Kaepernick started kneeling, I said there is something we gotta do to bring law enforcement and community and sports to be that vehicle,” Brewer told The Daily Wire.

“And so we started that program and partnered with a number of police athletic leagues around the country to kind of bridge that gap. And I served for a couple of years as the spokesman for the police athletic league,” he added.

https://trendingpolitics.com/former-nfl-player-we-gotta-get-god-back-in-our-schools-to-solve-racial-economic-divide/

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3392b8 No.855405

File: e099e6565bf5d71⋯.jpeg (55.83 KB,628x488,157:122,images_57_.jpeg)

File: dd7ed6b33310c3e⋯.png (179.02 KB,720x960,3:4,dd7ed6b33310c3e8831eb9b82e….png)

>>855384

Yes, God will solve the racial divide which is moral if not 'biological' but there is only one way to solve economic divides.

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7204aa No.855409

File: a5cecaf69fd1733⋯.png (209.57 KB,680x528,85:66,b62.png)

>>855405

If Christianity encourages alms and the rejection of wealth it isn't based upon materialist presumptions but spiritual ones, do you know what that means? It means getting beyond that which chains you to the world. It isn't about revenge on those who have more moneys than you but something way deeper than dividing people among those who "have" and "don't have". Christianity is such a beautiful thing, why do you reduce it to another materialist philosophy?

Poor people don't want your ideological autisms but job opportunities; socialism will never do that because it chokes the ones who create the jobs.

Do a better bait next time.

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0b142a No.855389 [Open thread]

Thats the first time I'm posting here, I feel like this board is full of fanatics roman catholics who will fight and crusade anybody from a different denomination who posts here but I really need help from anyone who is able to help. I'm on the seminar of my country's anglican provice and need to write a 10 pages essay taking into account the following questions:

1) How are your country and your church dealing with the new Covid-19 pandemic? Comment on initiatives, concrete actions of your country, your diocese, parish, mission, college, etc. etc. (Talk about the positive and negative aspects to improve)

2) From the social or integral pastoral: what reflections and challenges does the pandemic pose to the church? What are these challenges? What is the urgency? What reflection does this pandemic evoke in you? What are the new ethical and bioethical criteria and challenges that arise with the Covid-19 pandemic? How do we generate solidarity in a context of high risk of contagion? What is the announcement and denunciation of the church in these pandemic times? What is the prophetic voice of the church called by God to awaken a sense of social responsibility? What is God's relationship to the pandemic?

3) What does the pandemic tell us in liturgical matters? What questions us in the exercise of gifts / charisms? How do you question our ecumenical relations and our interreligious dialogue? How we do Christian formation, meetings, etc. in the face of this fact? How do we guide evangelization and the social relationship and what community are we talking about today, when people protect themselves and see the other as a danger, an enemy, as a potential source of contagion? What does this pandemic tell us?

Like, you don't need to be anglican to answer this questions and give your opinion, I just need to collect facts and analyse different points.

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825f12 No.855393

How about you do your own homework bro?

t. fanatic roman catholic

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e0e830 No.855401

>>855393

Catholics are modern day pharisees

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c93d2a No.855404

>>855389

>Thats the first time I'm posting here, I feel like this board is full of fanatics roman catholics who will fight and crusade anybody from a different denomination

That used to be moreso true before 8ch got taken down now the old mod 'trad'cath cabal is gone.

And no. Im not gonna do ur 'homework' even.if ur a.seminarian

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2d53cc No.855267 [Open thread]

Come home Christian man, to the denomination of true Christianity. Keep your rifle by your side.

They'll look high and they'll look low

They'll look everywhere we go

But when the sinners find us we won't hide

They'll come loud and they'll come fast

But we shoot first and we can last

Keep your rifle by your side

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this Earth was made for us"

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this sinful life just ain't enough"

So we'll take a stand

'Cause we must protect our land

Keep your rifle by your side

They'll come day and they'll come night

They'll have our children in their sights

But if they don't have Faith their eyes are blind

They can scream and they can shout

But they will never smoke us out

Keep your rifle by your side

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this Earth was made for us"

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this sinful life just ain't enough"

When we hear the voice

You know we have no other choice

Keep your rifle by your side

They'll have bombs and they'll have tanks

Because they have money in their banks

But we won't fall as long as we can fight

They'll go on and preach their hate

But they won't get past the gate

Keep your rifle by your side

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this Earth was made for us"

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this sinful life just ain't enough"

When I see your face

I know I must protect my place

So, keep my rifle by my side

Singing, "Oh, Lord, this Earth was made for us"

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9680ce No.855296

File: 68e3ead980be36a⋯.jpg (222.18 KB,960x698,480:349,Koresh_to_his_lawyer_Dick_….jpg)

File: e51f9097e0a08c0⋯.jpg (287.22 KB,960x762,160:127,Koresh_to_Law_Enforcement.jpg)

>>855284

no, the Watchman Fellowship uses numerous sources to verify the teachings of David Koresh and by extension, Branch Davidian theology

but if you're dismissing Fagan who claims to have been specifically chosen by Koresh as his emissary, so as to tell the world of David's teaching, then all you have to go on as to Branch Davidian teaching are the extant writings of David Koresh

are you familiar with his 'Seven Seals Manuscript' ?

http://hourofthetime.com/lib/Bill%20Cooper/New%20Mexico%20Facility/Decoded%20Message%20of%20the%20Seven%20Seals%20of%20the%20Book%20of%20Revelation%20by%20David%20Koresh.pdf

the Watchman Fellowship give a useful little synopsis of his SSM here:

https://www.watchman.org/articles/cults-alternative-religions/branch-davidian-theology/

some other material we might look at from David Koresh are his writings and recorded conversations with Law Enforcement and his lawyer

pls see pics related for a sample – and please note that Koresh prophesied that he 'had been shown' he would survive the Waco siege, if only to be made an example of in the court of public opinion

there's other work we could draw on to show that David Koresh was a false prophet - by which we mean 'his prophecies didn't come true, ergo he is false' - but the simple fact that he signed his name as 'Yahweh Koresh' is enough for me to say…

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a425ca No.855311

Their theology was trash but their willingness to commit violence to defend their beliefs is commendable and I wish more Christians would follow suit.

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f594e3 No.855357

>>855267

Looks like a sect

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7f1c3b No.855364

>>855267

>>855311

Great song too, reminds me of the nasheeds I used to listen to. Saved.

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5c659b No.855400

What is this

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File: fc672cdfe946f36⋯.png (9.57 KB,120x120,1:1,book.png)

1e7856 No.855382 [Open thread]

You folks ever read the 100 page journey Superbook?

https://www.superbooktract.com/

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20816c No.855359 [Open thread]

What is the proper translation of arsenokoitai? The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to use this word, so we must be able to discern its meaning. Unfortunately, Paul doesn’t define it and it appears Paul coined this word for the first time in his writings. How does it affect our understanding of the Bible?

First, to orient ourselves, let us view the word untranslated in context. The word appears twice in the New Testament, both in Paul's writings. First in 1 Cor 6:9 and again in 1 Tim 1:10. The context may give us clues as to how to interpret the true meaning of this word.

1 Cor 6:

>9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, ἀρσενοκοῖται,

>10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

>11 And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Tim 1:

>8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately.

>9 This means understanding that the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers,

>10 fornicators, ἀρσενοκοῖται, slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching

>11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Both times it is placed in a list next to sexual sin.

Now lets take a deeper look at the Greek.

arsenokoitai appears to be a compound of two different Greek words.

“arsen” means man; “koitai” means bed. So if we make a literal English gloss of the word we get: manbed or bed-men. NoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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12de38 No.855377

>>855375

>>855376

And let me post that Scripture again even though it's already copied once above just so you can't pretend you did not see it.

Romans 1:26

<26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

So we see here that it is them that change the natural use into that which is against nature. It has nothing to do with the way man is created or his default nature, as we see here. God is not the author of sin.

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d28e68 No.855378

>>855376

>What makes you say that?

I'm just following your words to their logical conclusion. If God affirmatively protects us from homosexual temptation, those afflictions were already within them a person given up by God, that means our default state, without God's intervention, is homosexual.

I think you're the one misunderstanding here.

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fdc938 No.855379

>>855359

>Then says they were "washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." It seems to me therefore, homosexuals can be saved.

Both premises of this conclusion fall independently of each other. Just because it says some at Corinth had done some of those things does not mean that some at Corinth had done all of those things.

We see in 1 Corinthians 10:13, that there had been no temptation which they, the Corinthian church, were taken with that was "uncommon to man." Here is the quote:

>13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

This means that sodomite lust could not have been among the temptations taken by any of the Corinthians. Therefore, we see that regardless of what your translation says, it would not be a contradiction because Paul merely says that some Corinthian church members had done some of those things, not necessarily all of them. So your conclusion positively falls short.

Furthermore, it says in 2 Peter 2:9,

>The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

So we see that God, the Lord knows how to protect the godly from temptations. In this passage, Peter had just gotten finished writing about how Sodom and Gomorrha had been destroyed by God, and how we learn God had protected Lot from this temptation, one that is not common to man.

Over in Romans 1, we see a clear, undisputed description of sodomite lust. There, it says in Romans 1:

>26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

>27 And lPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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fdc938 No.855380

>>855359

Now let's look at the translation of your word. We see that Wycliffe (1380), Tyndale (1525) and every Bible up until and including the KJV used the same terminology, and none used the term homosexual, which is a recent invention.

As to what the word means, your elaboration already sufficed. It means someone who, for whatever reason, allows themselves to be abused by a male. This could be a prostitute of any type. We also see that in both lists, the word in question is placed next to a slavery-related sin. In 1 Corinthians 6:10 (KJV) it says thieves after this entry. In 1 Timothy 1:10, it says menstealers after this entry. This context suggests that this term is related the context of human trafficking, such as prostitution. People who would willingly give themselves over to prostitution would be said to be defiling themselves, according to a word description like this.

If theoretically Paul had meant to signify sodomite then the actual word for it was not chosen in either place in either passage. Actual usage of terms that indisputably refer to sodomy occur in other passages. So this >>855359 explanation for the modern and your translation of this word does not account for its non usage in the Greek here or explain why Paul didn't just use that term in 1 Corinthians 6:9, if it was what he meant. For this reason, the translation is inaccurate; It would possibly be used by an uncharitable person to accuse the church at Corinth; and indirectly, Jesus Christ, as well, as we see in Hebrews 4:15.

>and where I went wrong?

The answer here is slightly more nuanced: In starting out with the purpose of justifying modern perversions, and rebelling against what Scripture says, the start of this error began. The end-goal of saying that sodomites are somehow ok is a very bad goal to be wresting and twisting Scripture around for, especially when the Lord condemns it as an abomination so strongly throughout his Word.

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12de38 No.855381

>>855378

Romans 1:26 says otherwise. Speaking specifically of the reprobate in question in the passage, it says they changed themselves. It says these mentally depraved people changed their own behavior to go against nature. This passage has nothing to do with people like us who are outside of that. It's specific to the reprobate. God gave them up, in the end, to corrupt themselves. He neither created them or us that way (no one is born that way), nor did God positively force anyone to do it (he is not the author of sin). Rather than any of these things, the wicked (not Christians) had that vile sin within them, and once the wicked rejected God, because of their rejection then God gave them up to those lusts. As for the vast majority of us, to whom that passage does not apply, we simply never had that within us at all because it is not in our nature. Hopefully that makes sense.

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c58b7c No.853550 [Open thread]

why the Frick doesn't anyone print the ASV anymore?

Also look at this cool web 1.0 website http://www.bible-researcher.com/anglo-saxon.html

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eead05 No.855341

>>853550

Oh yeah thats right. I noticed that about a year ago if i recall.

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b7e7f0 No.855358

I can recommend Seraphim Rose Books

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65814a No.855260 [Open thread]

Big-O is a Christian Anime.

I'm going to be working up at a summer camp. I want to share with people good christian Anime. I can't really think of many.

At the bare minimum, it has to uphold the virtues and morals of Christianity. I would say Mushishi would be a bare minimum even though it deals with demonic entities, because it has no gratuitous sex or perverse relationships. People dress modestly.

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a3a105 No.855306

>>855261

Whats it about?

What makes it christian?

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ceca0d No.855329

>>855260

Clannad After Story.

It portrays traditional family values.

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This show is not afraid to get real with emotions, daily struggles people go through when in a relationship or marriage, and the effects of depression and pain.

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f019b4 No.855338

>>855260

Why do you describe Big O as Christian?

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a3a105 No.855340

File: 4ac3913588b99b7⋯.jpg (46.64 KB,260x379,260:379,Big_o.jpg)

>>855338

>Why do you describe Big O as Christian?

The first thing to state is that there is no sex nor debauchery of virtually any sort going on. There is Romance, and a catsuit to one of the suitors of the MC, however even by Anime standards its pretty modest.

The relationship displayed between the MC and Dorothy, is patriarchical. She has her own opinion, and at points serves as a foil, however she is submissive, and deeply appreciative and in love, and looks up to the MC as a protector and guide throughout her life. She ends up asking him to protect her.

The MC is a gentleman; Competent, honest, and orderly. It is by his virtue that he is granted power, as every time he goes into his Megadeus, it evaluates him

>IN THE NAME OF GOD

>YE NOT GUILTY

Later on in the show, episodes speak of the Christian Religion. Of course the premise of the show is that people's collective memory only stems back 40 years, and so when Christianity is referenced, it is done without name, and only symbolism and by the subconsiousness of people, gathering together in fellowship in churches (Yes, actual churches) to sing Hymns to God, even though they do not understand exactly why they are doing it.

There is then a Christmas episode. The main antagonist after the climax, quips,

>Do you know the actual meaning of Heaven's day?

>It was the day that God's son was born.

This was supposed to imply that the Antagonist was privy to "Memories" from before the incident. And Most importantly, unlike virtually all other anime which reference Christianity, this is not parodying nor being cynical nor being disrespectful.

It actually shows great respect and admiration. Those who gathered in Churches, were those held in high regard.

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a3a105 No.855342

>>855329

Are the men, actually men?

Or are they weak soft beta males who cry openly and such?

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47cb3f No.855337 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/LXXKCCnTm0Q

plugging my friend Rick. I don't quite know what the discussion is about but its soteriological in nature.

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c7761f No.854820 [Open thread]

It does my soul good to see that there are others who have had enough of sodomy. I approve the pic related.

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9a757c No.855281

>>855264

What do you think is going to be the punishment toward you for twisting the word of God like that? You should not have come here and handled the word of God deceitfully, in such an unrepentant and blasphemous manner as you have.

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23e0fe No.855287

>>855273

>First of all, that is a false modern version.

1 Cor 6 (1599 GNV)

>9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? [m]Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons, nor buggerers,

>10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.

>11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified, in the [n]Name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Is the 1599 Geneva Bible a false, tolerant, modern translation?

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9a757c No.855304

>>855287

Yes it is false. Damnably false - I don't care what version you turn to. You ought to be ashamed to use God's Word as a cover to obtain support for the crime against nature.

Now, all readers, see >>855276

>>855274

>>855273

for Biblical evidence of this.

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0a6205 No.855323

>>855264

>Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

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d96493 No.855334

>>854920

>All pride is misplaced, other than in the Lᴏʀᴅ.

STRONGLY AGREED

>>855264

Take your own advice. You should have removed the log from your own eye before you try to remove the speck in ours.

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f03caf No.854019 [Open thread]

How do we make sense of Biblical cosmology like the diagram shows? It's pretty typical of the Near Eastern cosmology of the time and the Biblical descriptions are extremely similar to the descriptions we see in other ancient Near Eastern cultures like in Babylon, Assyria, and even Egypt. The heavenly bodies were believed to be lesser divine beings/angels (hence, "Yahweh of Hosts" and the various verses equating the stars with angels like Job 38:7), the Earth was thought to be flat and covered like a tent by the raqia (Isaiah 40:22), there was a great abyss/chaos/tehom/primeval waters that surrounded the Earth (see of course the opening chapter of Genesis, as well as the numerous references to chaoskampf in the Psalms and Isaiah, Psalm 74:12-14 is a good example). These were all pretty typical motifs of other ancient Near Easter cultures. But a lot of this goes over modern people's heads because of how removed from the culture and time they are.

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845db6 No.855238

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>>855224

>For everyone to agree on a point requires a base minimum of shared understanding of a given tradition to make that point meaningful.

See Ephesians 2:18

<For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Also 1 Corinthians 2:13-14

<Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So it is clearly shown from this that God himself must be direct and only source of the truth. It is necessary in order so that every saved person can come to the one and only truth (which is in Jesus Christ amen), and so also in order for them to have the one true faith, that they have indwelling of the Holy Spirit as described for us in John 14.

Notice what Christ says there.

<But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

>then where does it say, in Scripture, which interpretation is correct?

First of all, it says in 2 Peter that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation, but that holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. It also says that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God in 2 Timothy. By looking at the world we clearly see how it is impossible for people to be agreed, and to be taught the truth about Scripture from God without being saved first. In Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30, and 2 Corinthians 1:22, in addition to what I quoted from Ephesians 2:18 above, we learn that the saints have been "sealed" with the Holy Spirit of God. Christ tells us that the Spirit of truth shall dwell in us in John 14:17. We are told again that the saPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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6519f6 No.855239

>>855238

>By looking at the world we clearly see how it is impossible for people to be agreed, and to be taught the truth about Scripture from God without being saved first.

>All believers are guided into one truth

This is circular reasoning. For you are arguing that one cannot be taught the truth about the Scripture from God unless one is saved, and that one cannot be saved unless one knows the truth of Scripture. Your conclusion is implicit in your premises, your argument is therefore specious and so must be false.

You contradict this position later in the same post:

>Unsaved people - people who aren't born again - can't find the truth on their own.

>I understand that many unsaved people will have a hard time understanding all of that unless they are receptive to the truth of God's word.

>People who make up their own manmade traditions and resist the eternal and unchanging truth of God are wrong and misled.

Were any text able to be read and followed without interpretation then no translation of the text would be necessary, and no argument over its meaning possible.

Your entire post amounts to an avoidance of my argument and suggests that you cannot provide an answer. For your position is illogical and contradictory. To wit, the translation of the KJV, the Bible that you are quoting from, was based on previous translations, i.e., on a tradition of translations.

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845db6 No.855243

>>855239

>Your conclusion is implicit in your premises

Anon, there is no premise or conclusion here; there is no conclusion to derive from premises, and no premises from which to derive conclusions in this statement, just facts from God's word. Agree or disagree depending on whether you accept or reject His word. There is no appeal to reasoning or logic on my part aside from that already present in the Bible itself.

>For you are arguing that one cannot be taught the truth about the Scripture from God unless one is saved,

I'm not arguing anything other than what is written. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 says, "we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

>You contradict this position later in the same post:

How are either of those statements a contradiction. Are you a pelagian, do you think people are capable of doing good without the help of God? "On their own" is in the sense of receiving no help from God.

As for the second statement, some people resist God. This resistance being the reason why Christ said in John 5:40, "And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."

>Were any text able to be read and followed without interpretation

Do you think the Holy Spirit doesn't interpret?

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aa4648 No.855314

>>855243

>Are you a pelagian, do you think people are capable of doing good without the help of God?

Yes. Rahab the prostitute did a good thing before she knew God.

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845db6 No.855317

>>855314

I wasn't asking you though.

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405256 No.855286 [Open thread]

The deity that Calvinists worship unironically sounds like the Gnostic conception of the demiurge.

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723fec No.855303

that's nice

how about you tell us who the real God is, citing your sources as to His attributes and character, and we'll compare and contrast your thoughts with God's revelation of self in the Scripture ?

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995dde No.855293 [Open thread]

May Day? Never heard of it. Happy St. Joseph the Worker Day.

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935b22 No.855004 [Open thread]

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9660ec No.855026

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the problem you have with Franky, is that he's a Universalist

this means he presumes that whether you are a fully orthodox Roman Catholic having received the sacraments, a Muslim who denies the divinity of Christ, a Hindu who worships a pantheon, a Buddhist who seeks to release innate divinity, a wackjob Word Of Faith television preacher plundering the houses of widows, or a Wiccan… you're on a spiritual path of equal worth with every other, so technically you're a 'christian'

this extends to his expectation that all spiritual people can and must meet the moral standard of Christ Jesus, and like the early Church depicted in Acts, 'share a common purse'

putting aside his erroneous theology which dismisses the exclusivity of Christ as the only Way, we need to address the historical context where the early church were helping out their new family who shared an adoption into The Father – and this was a family going through an incredibly tumultuous and often horrifying world where for 300 years the government which ran the known world was attempting to stamp them out through State-Sponsored terror

the Pope though, against all evidence and even Scriptural attestation to there being those of Christ's sheep, and those who are of the world; thinks we could all just get along as long as we have faith… and so he simply demands that everyone be good

and what he thinks is 'good' is borne from the marriage of Marxian thought with Jesuit zeal, making for 'Liberation Theology' which is basically just communism for folk who still like lighting candles in church

and the boys in the EO can tell you how great that kinda thinking worked out for sincere believers in Soviet Russia

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e74ce6 No.855248

Acts 4:

³² And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

³³ And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

³⁴ Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

³⁵ And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

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b81e14 No.855252

>>855248

Were people forced to join or was membership voluntary?

>And the multitude of them that believed

Aha, it says here it was only them that believed that did this.

>which he possessed

So it looks like they still believed in possessions, but that they willingly waived their own possessions as donations. It also does not say that the group forcefully took away their possessions. So how is this communist?

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25eeec No.855255

>>855248

If they sell everything, what land do they work

Is that for going around traveling evangelizing

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63858d No.855289

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>>855015

Leninism isnt the only form of communism.

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