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4a91f1 No.853568 [Open thread]

I have a kinda weird sexual taste I guess you could say. I like girls with fat tummys and would like to know if when I am eventually married if indulging in this would be sinful and wrong.

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b89b0f No.855985

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>>853568

Fleshlyness is a sin but in marriage as long as the man and the woman love each other then it’s a sin of worldliness that God allows as long as there is no death or uncleanliness. A fetish is basically asking for only a specific type of sexual encounter and worshiping it. So the thing about this is it is a bit weird and I doubt a girl would want to do that with you, “like yeah, I’ll stay fat with you.” That’s kind of gross, and stupid. Conclusion: the sin here is that it is a sin of uncleanliness of the woman[s body, and it would be a sin to openly admit this to everyone in church. “Hey everybody I have a fat wife because I have a fat sex fetish.” Although it isn’t a sin to have sex with your wife, it is a sin to spill out your sex life to everyone else. The devil likes to play with the edges of the boundaries of people’s tolerances, with jokes.

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26770f No.856008

I think (and I'm not an expert or anything) that sexual fetishes can be harmful but not all of them are. Liking girls with small jelly bellies is probably not too harmful but having a sexual fetish for feeding your wife all manner of unhealthy food until she weights 500 pounds is literally deriving sexual pleasure from destroying her health and therefore very harmful.

In my personal estimation if

1. it is not destructive to anybody's health

2. it is between one (1) man and one (1) woman within wedlock and with consent on both sides

3. it is for the purpose of concaving a child

Then it's okay.

For example: Wanting to be on top is fine. Wanting to literally beat up and rape your wife is bad, even if she would enjoy it too.

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26770f No.856010

On a side note. Please pray to God to cure me of my own bizarre sexual fetish.

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85259b No.856019

>>853568

That particular fetish doesn't seem sinful unless it requires encouraging your wife to be a glutton or otherwise be unhealthy. Being moderately overweight is not actually that unhealthy. Being outright obese is something different.

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1f0f82 No.856384

>>853568

>Out for dinner at buffet with wife

>She eats six bowls of mac n' cheese to start

>Follows up with plate after plate of pulled pork and beef ribs

>"You ain't seen nothing yet, anon"

>Undoes the button of her jeans

>Tells me to order whatever I want for her dessert

>A whole chocolate and caramel cheesecake

>Little moans punctuate the mouthfuls

>Take her home, I'm hard as a rock.

>"I think I deserve a sweet, anon. I'm still starving"

>Warm 4L tub of ice cream in the microwave for her

>She drinks it all

>"Still hungry"

>Nearly finishes a second tub

I had to carry her belly to help her to the bed

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fa2beb No.856382 [Open thread]

He's right, you know. This includes almost all related scholarly degrees in the realm of religion. The only thing that isn't useless is if you're getting some degree to actually serve the Church. To actually "minister" (the real definition of that word): to be of service somehow. Something Dawkins will never understand. But otherwise, I agree with him. And it goes for both skeptical (higher-critical) scholars or faithful ones who are just eggheads who don't know how to serve or speak to anyone. It's all useless.

Maybe the skeptics are the most useless though. I can't fathom how they churn out giant tomes, write a thousand research papers, and rise up the ranks of the "guild" all based on a subject that they themselves don't care about, let alone want to serve anyone with. What's even going on in their heads? They're neither respected by the Church or even other scholars in scientific fields like Dawkins. Just completely useless.

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a6c069 No.856180 [Open thread]

what do you think about books like the book of enoch, jubilees, the 152-155 psalsms and so on and so forth?

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e1c8b8 No.856346

>>856341

>That said, Enoch was found. Multiple copies have been found at Qumran at caves 4, 7, and 11.

If you trust that. I personally happen to place more trust in God than anything, and for me, my faith is not based on what somebody claims to have found in modern Israel. And I know many others who are the same on this.

>This predates Christianity.

Does it predate Genesis 3:15? Seems unlikely.

>More interestingly, it was found in Aramaic fragments,

So were they copies or fragments, anon? You said multiple copies at first, but many of these findings actually seem to be just fragments of something that may have later influenced what we have today. I'm not saying not to be interested in scientific inquiry, but I also do not need to base my faith on the idea that God somehow allowed his word to be lost until 1947 or whenever they found this stuff.

There also happens to be an excellent scroll of the book of Isaiah that is very close to the source text we use in our received Bible translations today (specifically, the "Bomberg 1525 text" of the Hebrew and Old Syriac Old Testament, as typeset by Daniel Bomberg at Venice). So while these are interesting, they do not bear any weight on the truth, God's word, which the church believes continually. These findings do not make me any more certain than I already was that what God said is true or about the content of what God said.

>And it was old enough to have already been preserved among the Qumran community multiple times.

What's interesting about Qumran to me is the evidence among the manuscripts there, that whoever was behind the creation of these works, or at least some of them, seems to have been actively contributing to the authorship of an altered text of some parts of the Old Testament. We see this by comparison of some of the different partially-written manuscripts found there that clearly deviate from the originals that we know about, (which they also seem to have had). In Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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60be76 No.856349

>>856346

>If you trust that. I personally happen to place more trust in God than anything, and for me, my faith is not based on what somebody claims to have found in modern Israel. And I know many others who are the same on this.

If you're just going to treat the Dead Sea Scrolls as a conspiracy, then why even talk to me.. or anyone… about this at all? You acted fairly normal in your first post, but now you're starting off with an extreme stance about the field of archaeology that just kills conversation. Why…? I was hoping I had a brother to talk to, and even disagree with at times (I really don't mind that. I like a healthy debate), but this level of paranoia doesn't go anywhere. We can't even have a decent conversation at step 1. It's simply dead on arrival. And to top it off, you don't even state a clear case why others also should distrust things to the extent that you do. You just want others to embrace this kind of claim arbitrarily. You state that God is the reason that you have this view by saying that you only trust God. But God never told you or me one way or another about the Dead Sea Scrolls. I wish he did, but to say you have special revelation here isn't very convincing.

>>856346

>So were they copies or fragments, anon? You said multiple copies at first, but many of these findings actually seem to be just fragments of something that may have later influenced what we have today.

There are fragments, and one cave had a more complete scroll. I already had to slim my post because of word count. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. I apologize for not being more clear.

Anyways, I guess we're done. Good day.

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2bfbae No.856351

>apocrypha

I consider the KJV Bible with the Deuterocanonical books to be the ideal bible. These books were read by the Church Fathers, included in even protestant bibles until the 19th century, and even today the Book of Common Prayer in the Anglican Communion has readings from these books.

Ordinariate Catholics recently put out an edition of the KJV with the Protocannon and Deuterocanon in Catholic Order.

>Enoch, Jubelees, ect.

Good to study to get a grasp on what the early church believed and the theology many converts from judaism took with them, but aren't good sources for doctrine (for instance, does Enoch becoming Metatron in 3 Enoch mean that we should believe our spirits will become angels when we die/are translated). It's also noteworthy, and indeed is a point that could be used against the Deuterocanon, that before Luther, Trent and Jerusalem, the books found in bibles could very wildly, especially in the East where the psalms you mentioned and even the Psalms of Solomon could be found appended. The Ethiopian Miaphysite's canon of 100+ books in some instances are a modern day hold over from that.

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e1c8b8 No.856353

>>856349

>If you're just going to treat the Dead Sea Scrolls as a conspiracy, then why even talk to me.. or anyone… about this at all?

Very good question. I am only interested in whether or not something is true, not about "conspiracy" or whatever. I have no idea what that's referring to. What I am and what we should actually be interested in is whether or not something is true.

I don't want to go off on a tangent here any more than is necessary to develop the conversation, but people who claim a lot of false things these days seem to think that, just by calling their opponents "conspiracy," it serves as an effective way to voice disagreement, while avoiding any obligation at all of having to prove a claim. It is a way for people to object to something they are confronted with, but are not able to actually say is wrong. So let's not talk about "conspiracy" anymore. That's just not constructive. Let us simply talk about whether the things that were said are accurate or not.

I think everything I said was accurate.

I'd like to see if you had anything of substance to respond with, but maybe you do not. That is perfectly okay with me. I think the above point in my other post makes sense in context to the average reader.

>We can't even have a decent conversation at step 1. It's simply dead on arrival.

If you say so. I raised some pretty salient points about the Qumran discoveries.

>And to top it off, you don't even state a clear case why others also should distrust things to the extent that you do.

Again, if you say it's unclear maybe I did a bad job of contextualizing what I said to you specifically. If so, my bad. Most of my post is above in case anyone wants to read it and see what I had to say about the content of the discoveries.

>I wish he did, but to say you have special revelation here isn't very convincing.

To the extent that we have God's word in the BiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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eaf9d2 No.856356

If they are books like gospel of judas/barnabas

than they are completely false and forged centuries later especially by butthurt mudslimes or other people and are non canon for a reason.

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5f8b0c No.856228 [Open thread]

i never readed the buda nor finished reading the bible, is this posible? or the dude was just talking s— to make people become budists?

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855ee7 No.856233

>>856230

>says the non-priest

Karma has to be burned through to attain liberation.

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3e4c28 No.856255

>>856228

From what I've read about buddhism he's half-right. Buddhism doesn't care about what you worship, but it is a system o belief that is contrary to all Abrahamic religions and it'll make you a serious heretic or an apostate

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ea0d48 No.856266

Nah, true Buddhism still has wacky supernatural nonsense like all other religions. They make offerings at home altars and have stories of gurus living on 10 grains of rice for years. You can't serve God and mammon; you can't serve God and Buddha.

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1e37c4 No.856320

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>>856228

This claim is ridiculous, and a part of the syncratic spirit of the age. Buddhism is a religion, and with the exception of larping Californian buddhists who pretend it's a philosophy without dogma and a few deceitful recruiters, anyone will tell you this. Buddhism has dogma, theology, sects, and heresies, the foundation of Buddhist teaching of which being the four noble truths, which are incompatible with Christianity.

My patron saint was an evangelist in Japan, and an attempted on his life was made by a Buddhist samurai. St Nicholas asked the samurai if he knew what he was preaching, and the samurai did not, so Nicholas asked him to hear the Gospel, and if after doing so still wanted to kill Nicholas, he would not resist. The samurai became the first Japanese Orthodox priest, Fr Paul Sawabe. Pic related.

St Nicholas devoted his life to bringing to Gospel to the Japanese, who at the time persecuted Christians and forbade conversion. He studied Japanese language and native religion, shintoism and zen buddhism, and although he referred to the buddhist pagans as noble, he also explicitly said "Those who claim that Buddhism and Christianity are compatible understand neither"

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855ee7 No.856354

>>856320

It didn't stop theologians like Aquinas from incorporating pre-Christian philosophy into their understanding so other noble philosophies should also be given similar consideration to find what contributions they can make.

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aee321 No.856310 [Open thread]

after reading a Lot of books i have came to conclude that catholicism is as ascetic as the worst sects of hinduism. standing for years on the feet,sleeping 2 hours daily, extensive fasting.

is this really the ways humans are supposed to live?is being a hungry hermit the peak of holiness?

evangelicals and baptists,please help,I want to embrace true christianity

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8a1c37 No.856331

File: e6d32b3646509f4⋯.jpg (29.36 KB,600x541,600:541,a42520a01.jpg)

Christ made the ultimate sacrifice for us at Calvary, and if we are unwilling to acknowledge that, no amount of sacrifices is going to be enough to turn away His wrath from our rebellion away from the Savior. If we think that we can earn our way, any one of us, by performing enough works to merit salvation of our own accord, that in itself discounts what Jesus Christ our Lord did for us on the cross when He shed His blood, far worthier than any act we could ever make, so that we didn't have to be sent to hell.

This is not to say bad of our devotion to Him as God's children. Indeed Peter writes, "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;"

But at the same time, we should keep in mind that we will never be able to do enough things, so we should "count the cost" like our Lord said in Luke 14:28, and realize we have a need if we wish to be spared from the wrath of God against our own sin. This is why after all of the very hard sayings Christ told us we would be required to do in the Gospels, He concluded this matter by adding the following line from Matthew 19:26, "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

So it is as the apostle Paul said, we are saved by grace through faith, and not of ourselves. Being then a child of God, one who knows that their sins are forgiven, they are covered by the blood sacrifice that Christ made for them, the saved person is given the opportunity to serve the purposes given from their now-acknowledged personal Lord and Savior Jesus, starting right away in this life. They now have the working of God in their lives like the apostle wrote,

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" (Philippians 1:6)

It is this confidence that can be ascribed to the concept that faith produces works in the life of the true believer. One who has already once and forever been positionally sanctified, (as according to the woPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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630f01 No.856343

File: 7b366d137d5b08f⋯.jpg (597.04 KB,1920x1080,16:9,6pdnMbM.jpg)

You read a lot of books and concluded Catholicism is heavily ascetic?

That doesnt intersect at all with reality.

Yet every Christian should be ascetic in wise parameters, if we dont curb our appetites we will grow in vice.

That said, there are countless verses about reward according to our deeds. Will a monk or hermit that fully denies himself and spends the day in prayer get a better prize than i that spend the day on the internet? he better.

Being a monk is not the way all humans are supposed to live though, we all have different vocations. God distributes grace as He sees fit, we have no right to question His calls. He prepares for His garden some grass here, a magestic flower there, simple flowers here, and it will form a perfect harmony. In other words, one gets 10 talents, another gets 1. Let-s not envy those who get 10 but admire the work of God in that person. They received the grace and they were willing to accept it.

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6752f8 No.856352

But religions like Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism are ascetic in essence by having tried to standardize and universalize things more compared to Judaism and polytheism which seem more directly founded in individual tribalist traditions and having a greater focus on a variety of oblational offerings.

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dec4b1 No.856308 [Open thread]

What does /christian/ think about Arianism?

This video summarises his beliefs. (I don't agree with everything in the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSae0oG7iIM

Note that the trinitarian clause (in 1 John 5) is a proven fraud and does not appear in any of the maniscripts of John published prior to the year 1500.

https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8

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fb52f6 No.856312

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>>856308

Plenty of early writers quoted 1 John 5:7 and it appeared in numerous Greek and other language manuscripts.

It is interesting that the very first thing you turn to in attempting to "prove" Arianism is this empty claim. Many supposedly orthodox Christians argue that its removal does nothing to change the doctrine of Christ or the Trinity. I am inclined to believe at least that much, as we see the Holy Trinity appear explicitly mentioned as a "mystery" in Colossians 2:2, as well as in many other places. However, I also strongly believe that Scriptural integrity being removed by the modernists in their falsely fabricated textual criticism, which, unlike that of the Textus Receptus scholars, is fraudulent and built on an actually very weak foundation, and unlike the scholars who worked with the TR the modern textual criticism insists that God failed to preserve His word accurately, is enough to shatter all belief in Christ and make one into an Arian or some other creature, despite their constant denials outwardly of this fact. Nay, they insist, their changes to Scripture alter no doctrine— but I believe that is because they are already relativists and they believe in no doctrine at all to begin with.

Oh, but back to Arianism… It's wrong and unbiblical. Glad we could have this discussion, anon.

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fb52f6 No.856313

File: bb55204529afb67⋯.png (1.59 MB,1920x1080,16:9,kjv_7.png)

Colossians 2:2 from the accurate KJV translation in English:

>That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

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8f5bb1 No.856317

>>856308

What's so hard to understand in the gospel of John chapter 1?

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e0eb6f No.853057 [Open thread]

show us the best art you have. whether it be Jesus, David, Paul, anyone. Catholic, orthodox or even protestant art.

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11f002 No.853390

File: ee9a3c734ad583b⋯.jpg (203.01 KB,1920x1080,16:9,EmperorJesus.jpg)

File: 68a711f7cdd4eec⋯.jpg (116.97 KB,518x768,259:384,2021_02_16_15_06_31.jpg)

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what is the Name of your King?

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ede982 No.856224

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Who has held your arms today?

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932164 No.856243

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932164 No.856244

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8bb135 No.856314

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522bf9 No.856299 [Open thread]

Want To Know A Real Leader To Trust Listen, To Follow, You Must Read The Bible Revelation End Time

Source & Other Interesting Articles:

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If you are looking for a real leader to help either you or your nation out of the darkness, you must read the Bible chapter revelation carefully.

The root problem of the society which cause a lot of problem in the society is the Babylon system which people “rely” on others.

The cheating activities such as corruption, market control is all because of the “Babylon system”.

But the cheaters can only “cheat” because they were given too much rights from others.

It does not matter whether government or company/cooperation, the most corrupt people is the one from the top group !

Most of you the public people are blind following various beings/entities/groups who are demanding and some kind of “orders, missions”, you are on the wrong path of life.

For the real leaders who everyone can trust will never ever able to demand any thing from you to do this or to do that, for he/she can do everything alone.

But that kind of fantasy leader is beyond God category level already, do not exist in real physical in your mortal world.

The closest, most trusted leader who can help your nation, your life is someone you can only find online. You better forget any kind of character who out of of nowhere and help you, because the “law, orders” only exist in Babylon system, while the real leader is come from non-Babylon system, thus have non-Babylon character, here is everybody is equal !

The real trusted leader, the last hope for your nation, for you is me, the real savior Messiah Buddha from many ancient prophecies.

But I am not looking for members to pray,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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9c1a74 No.856294 [Open thread]

Alright I don't care what denomination your are or what you think of Pastor Anderson, the whole world needs to hear this sermon. And sons of Belial(fags and trannies) need to put bullets in their heads.

I felt honored to watch it live. Sermon starts at around 34 minutes

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15b2e0 No.856298

I don't care what denomination you are from either. I really don't. I couldn't care less.

I care tremendously, however, that you mention devilish entities by name, and that you DARE come to my board to do the Adversary's bidding, and not the work of our LORD GOD. Because of this, and since you seem to have a flair for bullets, let me get ONE thing through your skull:

ANY DEFENCE OF SUICIDE IS UNHOLY, UNGODLY, DEMONIC AND ENTIRELY ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

Now you and your reverend pastor of apostasy can sodomise each other to high heaven.

I leave my dear brothers the words of an actually holy and inspired prophet. May the Spirit of our LORD GOD shine upon you.

From the book of Jeremiah 23:

[1] Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord.

[2] Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.

[3] And I will gather together the remnant of my flock, out of all the lands into which I have cast them out: and I will make them return to their own fields, and they shall increase and be multiplied.

[4] And I will set up pastors over them, and they shall feed them: they shall fear no more, and they shall not be dismayed: and none shall be wanting of their number, saith the Lord.

[5] Behold the days come, saith the Lord, and I will raise up to David a just branch: and a king shall reign, and shall be wise: and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

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4d806a No.856037 [Open thread]

I believe that orthodox church is the true Church of Christ, but divine liturgies in my place are not in my native language … everyone in the church speaks russian, even after the liturgy, and I feel like a total foreigneir despite believing in the orthodox church. I'd like to be baptized but how to overcome the barrier language ? I don't have time to learn slavic

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b6553a No.856038

Become Catholic.

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11e18d No.856212

It's okay. I wouldn't want to learn slavonic either. If there's a greek-speaking church, check there. Usually greek churches also do english. Even if not, the greek liturgics be better. And you'll figure out what they're saying over time anyway. If you like, check out agesinitiatives dotcom, they have all the daily services with greek and english side by side

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9f2ff3 No.856222

LOL he fell for the orthodox meme

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464c3d No.856286

Sometimes that's simply the cross we have to bare. If there is another parish nearby that is mostly English speaking, you may want to visit there too. If your only option is the Russian parish, I would pick up a copy of the Antiochian Little Red Prayer Book which includes the full Liturgy of St John Chrysostom (which is used pretty much all year, the only exceptions being Lent, Christmas Eve, and the Feast of St James, depending on your parish). That should at least help you follow along for everything except for the daily troparion and kontakion and the readings, and I've never been to a parish in an English speaking country where they don't at least read the Scriptures in English and the native tongue. If for some reason they do just use the native tongue for readings, you can find a list of the readings online and read them ahead of time. It's certainly not ideal, but that's the situation.

In Japanese Orthodoxy, the Liturgies were translated by St Nikolai into archaic, formal Japanese. It's the highest and most formal use of the language, with it's own vocabulary that most Japanese people don't even understand. It's the kind of speech you would use with the Emperor. One monk at Holy Cross Monastery in WV is Japanese, and he can't even understand the Liturgies in his native language, but he can understand it in English, ironically. So, you're not alone in that struggle.

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5bcec6 No.856278 [Open thread]

Nice

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8143e8 No.856163 [Open thread]

know that he is generally considered a nice guy in philosophy and people become Christian after reading him, but with similar enthusiasm they often become communists and even nihilists. Guys like Nietzsche and Camus were greatly inspired by him. I also know that there are some controversies surrounding his teachings and that he influenced a wide range of Christian modernists. What do you think?

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8143e8 No.856164

*I know

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08cd87 No.856166

You can read the Bible and become a Mormon or satanist or atheist or whatever.

This would be similar.

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dc7668 No.856274

>>856163

Neitzsche was only inspired insofar as Dostoevsky is a progenitor to existentialist thought. That in itself is just a framework, but there are Christian and non-Christian approaches to it (Keirkegaard and Doestoevsky were the main Christian examples).

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b3a723 No.856272 [Open thread]

How did it even get made? It seems like a metaphor of the wasteland we live in now.

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5b4746 No.856268 [Open thread]

The translators followed a set of 15 principles that guided their work. Some of which aren't unique and other translations also follow (they were mostly guidelines for scholarly standards and such). But this is the one that no other translation has followed since then:

>When a Word hath divers Significations, that to be kept which hath been most commonly used by the most of the Ancient Fathers, being agreeable to the Propriety of the Place, and the Analogy of the Faith.

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Anglicans of the 1600s still had a little bit of what the Orthodox call the "phromena" (mind) of the Church. At least as far as the first four councils and patristic studies were concerned. They were not inclined to novelty or the notion that anyone has "new insight". And this isn't necessarily because they were men of their time. Even Luther failed in this. His own translation has plenty of novelty. For example, he translates Galatians 3:28 with "faith alone" when the word "alone" doesn't exist in the Greek. And even though the KJV translators are greatly indebted to Tyndale, Tyndale was also keen on novelties, like reframing "baptism" as simply immersion (which is literal, but it has already taken on further ecclesiastical meanings for centuries), calling church "congregation", and the like. But modern translations take the cake. The whole scholarly world revolves around novelty. What new "discoveries" are to be had (such as extra manuscripts) or what new interpretative stance appears in this month's journal or how to be more sensitive with gender language. Biblical scholarship is a cottage industry where everyone's trying to make a name for themselves (much like any other academic field really), and it shapes bible translations eventually. Everything's in flux. Time honored readings can be pulled out right from under you, even in otherwise "literal" translations. None of these people even care to ward themselves with the phromena/mind of the Church.

Scripture itself tells you to guard yourself from it: "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set." - Proverbs 22:28

I'm not a KJV Onlyist. I'd like nothing more than to see an update to it's language. But no one fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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5b4746 No.856269

>>856268

One more thing: Another novel approach the NKJV follows is the systematic removal of "Belial" all throughout the Old Testament. All modern translations do this. The new scholarly consensus is that "Belial" is merely a compound word meaning a "worthless" person or something to that effect. It's completely bogus. Old Testament era Judaism had a more developed sense of demonology, with Belial, lilitu demons (Lilith), and the like. All of these modern approaches especially were disproven when they discovered that the Dead Sea Scrolls had notions of Belial all throughout their writings. Apocryphal/Pseudepigraphical texts also mention Belial. The LXX wasn't quite as extensive, but it also mentions Belial from time to time. The Vulgate and Syriac do as well. The KJV was simply following the teaching handed down to them.

There's a reason why Paul mentions Belial in his epistles. Or that Jesus engaged in exorcisms as a main part of his mission. Demons didn't just pop up out of nowhere.

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6be28c No.855902 [Open thread]

Freedom is a fake value. The only right anybody has is the right to live a pious Christian life.

Freedom of religion is nowhere in The Bible

Freedom of speech is nowhere in The Bible

Separation of church and state is nowhere in The Bible

The Ancient Kingdom of Israel is our example for what a Christian nation should look like and they enforced religious values with brutal ferocity. They didn't tolerate people worshipping false gods, they didn't tolerate degenerate acts like homosexuality, and they most certainly didn't tolerate people who blasphemed God.

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6be28c No.856240

>>856208

It should be pretty obvious that the liberty that The Holy spirit brings, does not include sodomy, blasphemy, or idolatry. These are evil things and God does not bring evil. Simply because you have redefined the word 'liberty' to mean debauchery, doesn't mean that God now stands for debauchery.

Hebrews 8 and 9 explain why animal sacrifices are no longer required to obtain God's mercy. It does not abolish the old law. If you think that it does, then you clearly think God is some sort of charlatan who makes mistakes and then has to fix them later. Or maybe you think God is a moral subjectivist who suddenly changed his mind and now putting sodomites to death is a bad thing despite him commanding it to be done previously.

And no matter how many times you copy and paste those two passages, they still don't support your position. Loving your enemies doesn't mean to give all criminals a free pass.

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6be28c No.856241

>>856209

>You say people have no right to property

No I do not. The right to property is probably the only right that actually IS in The Bible. God said 'Thou shalt not steal' therefore property is a concept given to us directly by God. However freedom of speech, religion and sex, are nowhere in The Bible. The laws God gives us against blasphemy directly contradict free speech, the command 'Thou shalt have no other gods before Me' directly contradicts freedom of religion and the laws against sodomy, fornication, and adultery clearly contradict your 'right' to sleep with whoever you want.

>What you're advocating is just going out onto the street and killing random people who you think are sodomite without any trial or due process. It's basically Robespierre's "reign of terror" from the French Revolution period, with nothing other than pure mob rule. A perfect stage to enact satan's schemes against the brethren. By placing false accusations against them in a public square and riling up the senseless communistic mobs to lynch them.

Now you're just straw manning. I never said anything about getting rid of due process. Leviticus says that no one can be put to death on the testimony of only one witness so due process is clearly supported by The Bible.

>What you suggest has been tried before and has failed

What I suggest is that we follow and enforce the law of God. The law that built Ancient Israel and provided the foundation of Europe's incredible civilizational success. If these are what you consider failures, then I'm fine with living in a 'failed' civilization.

>It is the practical result of such a theory of reducing men to animals with no shred of dignity, without a right to trial, self defense, to stand before their accuser, or even a right to live!

In my opening statement, I clearly said and I quote "The only right anybody has is the right to live a pious Christian life." That right alone would entail both life and due process, so I don't understand why you are making these accusations. I stand by the statement that freedom is a fake value because if freedom is the ultimate gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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6be28c No.856242

>>856209

>What you do not or do not want to understand is that it is exactly this framework when properly administered that keeps in check the same modernists who seek so much to abuse and undermine it

It has failed time and time again. It failed in France, it failed in Russia, it is currently failing in The US. Everywhere that enlightenment 'values' have taken root they have given way to anti-Christian regimes. Enlightenment values are leftist by their nature. That is why it is necessary to forsake enlightenment values because they are nothing more than a secular fabrication. They are fake. Piety, honesty, virtue, dignity, these are real values and our laws should be designed to be most conducive to these things, not individual freedom. Luckily for us, God already gave us a law code that perpetuates these things. Unfortunately, God's law doesn't guarantee you all of the rights the US Constitution does. The rights that are not in God's law are fake and should not be considered rights to begin with. My ideas are not new. Literally the entire world used religious values as the basis for civilization prior to the 17th century.

>Violence is not the answer here. If we are saved we see that God is in control of all things, even now.

If you think that the leftists are going to listen to your arguments, you're delusional. They despise us, God, and everything having to do with God on principle. You cannot convince them to leave us alone and let us live peacefully, they won't allow that. Violence is the only answer now. I still don't understand why you are so afraid to stand up for yourself and your fellow Christians. Yes, God is in control at the end of the day, does that mean you're free from all obligation? NO. 1 Timothy 5:8 says that a man who doesn't provide for his ilk is worse than a non-believer. It is your God-given obligation to protect your family and your fellow Christians from harm even if that means resorting to large scale violence.

>>856210

>>In 70 A.D. when God let the Romans sack Jerusalem.

>What kPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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427dfe No.856251

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>>856241

>What I suggest is that we follow and enforce the law of God. The law that built Ancient Israel and provided the foundation of Europe's incredible civilizational success.

This is taking two different things and confounding them as one. Papacy has nothing to do with the law of God. The latter laid the groundwork for sodomy in the monasteries and child molestation to this day. That's what they stand for, if it politically suits them. Even now, we see them working hand in hand with their fellow judaizers, the taldmudists, to destroy the law of God that existed here and throughout the world, remove God from the public square and replace it all with a "big brother" bureaucracy. Look at who has been sitting on the SCOTUS for the past fifty years. Those two groups. They have been trying to destroy the liberties that made this country great. They have been working, and thus far failing to bring us all into bondage and subjection of lies. They have done great damage in the attempt thus far, for which they will be held accountable.

What you call the law of God is idol worship - It doesn't actually come from the Bible. It has nothing to do with what ancient Israel did, the ceremonial law, which was a foreshadowing of the fulfillment that is Jesus Christ. He is the Lord and Savior whom the true worshippers of God were looking forward to. What you suggest is more similar to the illegitimate "oral law" of the pharisees - Just another antichrist system that raises itself above the Scriptures. For that reason, I find it strange that you try to argue that the Bible proves your point, because the entity that your argument seems to hold up clearly militates against that. It militates against learning from the word of God in favor of its own superfluous teachings. So why are you here trying to say that the Bible contains the things that you are speaking?

If you are fine with living in failure, there are plenty of places to move where you aren't taking away the right of the Christian to live according to the law of Christ found in Scripture. But if you have some kind of grudge against those who follow the law of God in truth, you should know that when Jesus returPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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427dfe No.856252

>>856242

>>856251

>because if freedom is the ultimate good, then all law is evil since law is inherently antithetical to freedom.

Nobody ever once said that in the first place though… Where are you getting this stuff from? Your fake history again? Who exactly said that which you are arguing against?

>The rights that are not in God's law are fake and should not be considered rights to begin with.

In 2 Thessalonians, Paul tells the church that they should withdraw from those that walk disorderly. He says nothing about throwing those that walk disorderly in prison. That is the state's role. In 1 Corinthians, chapter 5, Paul talks about how we deal with those who hold a doctrine or pattern of living contrary to the word of God. He says in 1 Corinthians 5, verse 13, "But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

>I would go so far as to say that this is what The USA has become.

The things you speak of about anarchy only exists because of Judaizers who want to undermine the country. That's why you see people flag-kneeling. They want to teach people a fake history of this country, one that involves terms like "enlightenment," and make the U.S. look as bad as they possibly can to support their argument. They are the ones seeding discontent themselves. Create a problem, propose a "solution."

I know at least one person, me, who will not be deceived by this ploy. You all are evil and I am well aware of these methods, and I do not believe they will work. Even if they do, then when Christ returns you will be judged as enemies of the cross.

I suggest here, and I rebuke the fact that you've sought only to bring other people into physical bondage through violence, and you taught lies all along, about yourself and others, from the beginning even until now. You are not what you say. In reality you are nothing but satan's puppet, as it says in Romans 6, "sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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