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That's Bishop Richard Williamson. You can find many of his sermons and interviews on YouTube.

>>855679

Thank you, Anon. I really appreciate it.

>>855630

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"It [the Roman Church] professes that one and the same God is the author of the old and the new Testament — that is, the law and the prophets, and the gospel — since the saints of both testaments spoke under the inspiration of the same Spirit. It accepts and venerates their books, whose titles are as follows.

Five books of Moses, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; Joshua, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, two of Paralipomenon, Esdras, Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Job, Psalms of David, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Isaiah, Jeremiah [Lamentations being part of it], Baruch, Ezechiel, Daniel; the twelve minor prophets, namely Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi; two books of the Maccabees; the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; fourteen letters of Paul, to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, to the Galatians, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, two to the Thessalonians, to the Colossians, two to Timothy, to Titus, to Philemon, to the Hebrews; two letters of Peter, three of John, one of James, one of Jude; Acts of the Apostles; Apocalypse of John."

>>855667

The 22 book canon does include the prophets…

Look at the Tanakh's canon ordering, some books are joined to others like all the 12 minor prophets are joined to one book

(Ruth was joined to Judges and Lamentations to Jeremiah)

The NT Canon was disputed in the early church as Eusebius has said.

However that does not mean one should wholly remove the antilegomena, but keep it in a lower level than the homologomena.

Just like what Luther did in his bible..

(The book of Hebrews is also in the antilegomena. Eusebius says that the Church of Rome did not accept it as they believed it wasn't written by Paul)

>>855629

No it was not..

56% of the members of the council of trent opposed making the Florentine canon an article of the faith and the anathema against those who don't

>>855575

No we shouldn't "Let God kill you". Instead we should Stop aborting children.

>>855575

>>855577

Shills be gone

>>855554

What's the deal with you having down syndrome. Go drink some bleach, you winnie the pooh retard.

>>855564

Only based answer. Wearing a mask and getting the jab shows that Satan is your daddy.

>>855554

Dog food gets tested for longer periods than this gene therapy (not "vaccine"). Refusing it has nothing to do with me being Christian. It's just sensible. The only Christian element in my choice here is that I'm dead to the world. You are unable to break me with pain or tempt me with bribes.

>>855581

>protestants are a myriad of denoms that splinter

>These doctrines in action produce the said splintering.

2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings

2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

There was never a splinter to begin with. Christians are individuals and the church is spiritual - not entities ran like corporations. Decentralization is an ancient concept. Like McDonalds, the Roman Catholic Church will be around forever. But while many people hate McDonalds, we all like hamburgers. Faith isn't in a congregation's politiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>855591

Those verses don't support theological corporate personhood. God isn't the Vatican, or McDonalds or Burger King sorry to break it to you. A denomination doesn't hold beliefs, a Christian does.

>>855294

They are our brothers and sisters in Christ

I hold to the Lutheran confessions and the Anglican Book of Common Prayer and attend a historically Anglican church that separated from Canterbury and has unity with other Protestant groups as our Denomination was formed by the mutual agreements of the Protestants in my region.

I will attend a high church service if present, but am ok with low-church if the need arises badly

>>853581

Not him, but he was obviously joking, however there is some truth to what he says.

I interact with a lot of protestants, and when we get into a discussion about what laws they ought to follow, they always say that the "law" has been fulfilled, meaning it is null and void, and by grace alone are we saved.

>>853398

OMG a Unitarian Credobaptist with a big mouth! Let's forget about making him a Persona Non Grata. Let's arrest him while he's passing by, jail him for 7 years by a legal assumbly that the citizens of Geneva often commit suicide to avoid facing, and slow cook him in green wood for it!

>>853545

Says the ones who excommunicated and made war with the rest of the Pentarchy for wanting a seat of power instead of the seat of honor.

>>853375

He was a masterful organizer. Built Geneza's moral law system with a married church/state. 3 days's jail time for smiling while at a baptism. Those who liked him, loved him. Those who didn't, hated him, and were hated by him. City became a paranoid 1984 tattle-tale town. He believed (like many) that vows make the marriage, not the whole "one-flesh" principle, so "pre-marital" sex was a death penalty.

>>855518

I am a Trinitarian Credobaptist who represents the historical position of holding to the New Testament, and while the unitarian is wrong, so is the state church for giving him a less harsh punishment than God surely would have given him, assuming he had been unrepentant.

>>853466

>Old Testament is non-canon bro

…and here I was thinking Marcionism had been extinct for 1500+ years.

>>855518

>He believed (like many) that vows make the marriage, not the whole "one-flesh" principle, so "pre-marital" sex was a death penalty.

Stop fornicating and repent

I believe you're talking about demons, yes they're assholes. Not sure what you're talking about with the 7 heavenly bodies though because God is Triune.

>>855627

Very interesting video, but I'm doubtful you will get any genuine responses.

I posted a genuine response to his youtube video raising questions on some of his points, but it looks like it was auto-filtered and the video owner has not approved it as of two days later.

>>855517

You are lost.

>>854891

>kike

very cute /pol/yp

>The church in acts shared with one another voluntarily

problems of poverty are never solved by a voluntary sharing of resources in christian nations, that says a lot about christianity

>Free market economics is the only system not predicated on force, therefore the only biblically compatible system

the system that sucks at solving the problem of poverty, lolbert much?

>>854905

>Government activity is essential during times of war but the government regulations put in place to stop the current pandemic are pointless and achieve nothing good

what do you mean by that?

>The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.

and the age of unprecendented peace and prosperity commenced

>>855555

digit thief faggot gtfo

>>855555

>problems of poverty are never solved by a voluntary sharing of resources in christian nations, that says a lot about christianity

Problems of poverty are never solved, period. There will always be poor people but their problems can be eased with charity.

>>Government activity is essential during times of war but the government regulations put in place to stop the current pandemic are pointless and achieve nothing good

>what do you mean by that?

I mean that government intervention is sometimes necessary but more often it is not.

>>The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.

>and the age of unprecendented peace and prosperity commenced

When did that ever happen? Europe is more secular now than ever before and everything is terrible.

>>855328

I'm not a baseline for morality but I think that as long as they aren't extremely perverted it's fine.

>>855330

From what I know, masturbation shouldnt be a lifetime process but more of an (sadly) activity bound to growing up. It is meant to be very sporadic both during puberty and among lone men. I 100% agree with what Church (both Orthodox and Catholic at this point) thinks of onanism and it is one of those things that you are meant to erase by entering marriage, as God intended it be. In the end, humans are very imperfect beings and I think that masturbations is one of the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin.

>>855331

Actually checked that and you are right.

The more you know, thanks

>>855348

I posted about this in the other thread but t bears repeating here.

I have sexual fantasies about women fainting in front of me and getting to carry their semiconscious bodies in different positions. I try not to masturbate, but when I do it's usually to one of these fantasies. I don't have a porn collection, but I do have a folder of pictures of women lying down in sexy ways. They're more like pin-ups than anything else.

I'm not sure how I would translate this to marriage, I would probably have my wife dress in corsets or period dresses and pretend to faint to show she's excited.

I'm not sure how 'perverted' that is by your standards, or if it would be sinful to act out this fantasy in private within marriage.

>>853867

>I'll pray for you, anon. I'm also going to recommend a resource that I mentioned in another thread recently - a book called EasyPeasy.

Based. The EasyPeasy method helped me so much.

https://youtu.be/eMA0rX_5sOg

This video helped me quit sexual sin. He just has some good reasonable advice.

What I personally have to say about it is that it's a constant battle. You need to remain diligent every day, avoid all things that will tempt you, and remain in constant prayer. Don't bring your phone into the bathroom, avert your eyes from girls in skimpy clothing, etc.

When I think I may be tempted by something I'm about to do, I pray for Christ to lead me not into temptation but to deliver me from evil that I may not be tempted, and to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and bless me with the self control of the Holy Spirit, that I may walk in the Spirit, and honor Him in all that I do.

For me personally, reading Galatians 5 and coming to understand the importance of "walking in the Spirit" is what really convicted my heart to want to stop sexual sin, and by God's Grace, through prayer, I've been blessed with the self control of the Holy Spirit, and I've been able to stop commiting this horrible sin.

Don't get confused though. Walking in the spirit is not the cause of your salvation, but a by-product of salvation. Salvation is a gift from God that you recieve solely through faith in Christ Jesus if he has chosen you to believe.

>>855569

Its interesting, but its pointless from a practical point of view because people who are 'babes in christ' will just use it as an excuse to sin so there is a certain wisdom in keeping it a mystery.

Why would some creatures who reject God (demons) be eternally condemned but humans not?

Like the demons, some people are obstinate in their sin and in wanting to be away from God.

>>855569

Origen is a heretic

>>855569

Christianity was heresy up until Martin Luther was born and developed the 5 solae. The only two ways to go to Hell is to reject God's existence and to reject Jesus' gospel. If you've never done either, then you're going to Heaven.

Mother's Day is pagan.

>>855461

According to whom? From what I can tell, it is simply an observance that arose out of the 20th century.

>>855461

So is the english language and by proxy the KJV.

>>855461

St.Justin MArtyr in the second Apology tells us how it is in relation to truths in the Stoics, poets, historians, philosophy etc:

Whatever things were rightly said among all men, are the property of us Christians. For next to God, we worship and love the Word who is from the unbegotten and ineffable God, since also He became man for our sakes, that becoming a partaker of our sufferings, He might also bring us healing. For all the writers were able to see realities darkly through the sowing of the implanted word that was in them. For the seed and imitation impacted according to capacity is one thing, and quite another is the thing itself, of which there is the participation and imitation according to the grace which is from Him.

>>855457

Typical Mary worshipping idolatry

Dude, sort everything out at your work before leaving so as to not sever professional relationships and give yourself a bad name.

Do you think you will be blessed if you don't do what's right? Probably, God is merciful, but do your best to make things right while you still have control over them.

>>855538

>Dude, sort everything out at your work before leaving so as to not sever professional relationships and give yourself a bad name.

I think this is a good idea, it'll also give you more time to think and pray about it.

This board is garbage.

His Aion book is very difficult. But the parallel that Jung draws between Christ and Buddha is interesting.

Christ too - like the Buddha - is an incarnation of the self, but in a very different sense. Both dominated the world in themselves: the Buddha, it could be said, through a rational understanding; the Christ, becoming a victim according to destiny; in Christianity, the main thing is to suffer, while in Buddhism the most important thing is to contemplate and do. Both are just, but in the Hindu sense the most complete man is the Buddha. He is a historical personality and, therefore, more understandable to man. Christ is, at the same time, a historical man and God, and therefore more difficult to access.

His Aion book is very difficult. But the parallel that Jung draws between Christ and Buddha is interesting.

Christ too - like the Buddha - is an incarnation of the self, but in a very different sense. Both dominated the world in themselves: the Buddha, it could be said, through a rational understanding; the Christ, becoming a victim according to destiny; in Christianity, the main thing is to suffer, while in Buddhism the most important thing is to contemplate and do. Both are just, but in the Hindu sense the most complete man is the Buddha. He is a historical personality and, therefore, more understandable to man. Christ is, at the same time, a historical man and God, and therefore more difficult to access.

His Aion book is very difficult. But the parallel that Jung draws between Christ and Buddha is interesting.

Christ too - like the Buddha - is an incarnation of the self, but in a very different sense. Both dominated the world in themselves: the Buddha, it could be said, through a rational understanding; the Christ, becoming a victim according to destiny; in Christianity, the main thing is to suffer, while in Buddhism the most important thing is to contemplate and do. Christ is, at the same time, a historical man and God, and therefore more difficult to access.

His Aion book is very difficult. But the parallel that Jung draws between Christ and Buddha is interesting.

What about the common connsensus and people believing the same thing can make something happen or something?

>>854790

(i appologize for the silly email, i just wanted a secure burner)

>>854677

Can you add me too?

thisisalegitemail@tuta.io

me too plz

Me too please shufb777@gmail.com

There is a discord server?

>>854677

I want to join in you still there anon?