138fd0 No.853100
What is your answer to this screencap? Every time anons on this board are confronted with anti-Christ arguments, they do one of the following things.
1. Call you a jew, which is Ironic, because christianity stems from judaic morality, has nothing to do with greco-roman European values. Essentially the jewish one is (You), (You) follow jewish customs like baptism and worship YHWH
2. Mention butt-winnie the pooh and homosexuality is Ancient Greece. This is not only exaggerated but also a complete strawman. Homosexuals were called κίναιδοι and solon's laws outright ban homosexuality. The most evidence we have is from vases, which are so few compared to the sheer number of vases we have from antiquity. Moreover, most right-wing pagans today want to end homosexuality, promote violence against homosexuals while christians have to love and forgive homosexuals, as they do not believe in an eye for an eye.
3. Use ad-hominem arguments. Pictures from retarded pagans, retarded things pagans have said etc.
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49d7ad No.853102
>>853100
>What is your answer to this screencap?
So hold on
- a Jew published an article in a public magazine
- he explicitly wrote it to gentiles
- neopagans think they uncovered some big secret that the jews have been keeping for centuries
>because christianity stems from judaic morality, has nothing to do with greco-roman European values.
>Essentially the jewish one is (You), (You) follow jewish customs like baptism and worship YHWH
Judaism has little (if anything) to do with the religion of the ancient Israelites. What it inherits from Israel is the Mosaic Law (which Christians don't follow).
Also, modern Jews don't worship YHWH.
This isn't even mentioning how, in terms of morality, Christians and European Pagans agreed on many things that Jews (Semitic Pagans) don't agree with Christians on.
>Moreover, most right-wing pagans today want to end homosexuality,
"right-wing pagans" are a tiny minority among neopagans, and neopagans themselves are already a minority. Most of the people identifying as "pagan" nowadays aren't Varg fanboys but wiccan feminists.
>while christians have to love and forgive homosexuals,
we have hope that they can repent
>3. Use ad-hominem arguments. Pictures from retarded pagans, retarded things pagans have said etc.
I find it extremely ironic that you bring this up. When I interract with neopagans on chan sites, ad hominem is virtually their main argument. Part of the reason why we Christians don't argue with neopagans about theology is because neopagans don't want to talk about theology. They want to talk about 21st century politics, and how much more heckin BASED and REDPILLED they are. The closest to a theological debate I had with a right-wing neopagan was an argument about Jesus and the Syrophoenician Woman, and even then I was mostly met with insults.
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138fd0 No.853108
>>853102
>Judaism has little (if anything) to do with the religion of the ancient Israelites. What it inherits from Israel is the Mosaic Law (which Christians don't follow).
There are jews who do not follow the Talmud. These are essentially the same as ancient Jews. Their religion doesn't have a lot of differences.
>This isn't even mentioning how, in terms of morality, Christians and European Pagans agreed on many things that Jews (Semitic Pagans) don't agree with Christians on.
Not exactly, I wished it were true cause I would have no problem with christianity then. On the Genealogy of Morality by Nietzsche shows their beliefs are completely different.
>we have hope that they can repent
Yeah but while they're homos, they spread their homosexuality everywhere eg. homos in movies influencing kinds. You have to accept that instead of fighting it. You can't go commit political violence in a pride parade; a pagan can.
>"right-wing pagans" are a tiny minority among neopagans, and neopagans themselves are already a minority. Most of the people identifying as "pagan" nowadays aren't Varg fanboys but wiccan feminists.
but they exist. When I talk about paganism I'm referring to them. Wiccans are disgusting.
>hey want to talk about 21st century politics, and how much more heckin BASED and REDPILLED they are
Sure, because modern christians are laughable from a white nationalist point of view eg Pope kissing tigger feet. All these examples are easy to make fun off and thus pagans use so many ad-hominems.
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49d7ad No.853119
>>853108
>There are jews who do not follow the Talmud. These are essentially the same as ancient Jews. Their religion doesn't have a lot of differences.
I don't think you fully get how far 'Judaism' has deviated from Israelite Monotheism. Their understanding of God's basic identity is deviant from the Old Testament (like with the different views of the Godhead). Their understanding of what it means to be 'chosen' is very different (they read it more as them being God's favorite, when the scriptural view is them being selected for a job). Judaism inherits the Hebrew Bible, but they read it through a lens that's vastly different than the one the writers read it through (you could argue that Christians do the same, but I would argue that the Christian view is closer to the original intent than the Jewish one).
>but they exist. When I talk about paganism I'm referring to them. Wiccans are disgusting.
You can say that. However, "paganism" technically just refers to a non-abrahamic religion. It used to refer to any non-Christian one until a few centuries ago. "Paganism" just refers to a bunch of different beliefs and practices with common themes.
Even if you are disgusted by left-wing neopagans, their understanding of paganism is just as "pagan" as your own. You can point to Christian churches embracing liberalism, but there's a serious case to be made that they have abandoned core Christian ideas. On the other hand, there's little ground that wiccan feminists have forsaken "true" paganism.
>Sure, because modern christians are laughable from a white nationalist point of view eg Pope kissing tigger feet. All these examples are easy to make fun off and thus pagans use so many ad-hominems.
You raise a fair point here. Many feel that surrenduring to the world can save them. Just don't get pissed off when we point out similar problems on your 'side'.
I should also note that these insults, in my experience, aren't just something neopagans do often. I've been through threads where insults were the bulk of the argument presented.
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a5091e No.853122
Pagan society was a monument to stagnation. Think of what good the labour of the building of the pyramids could have been used for, or the building of the Parthenon or Colosseum. If the Europeans hadn't progressed under Christianity, they would have been taken over by an organised power. There is no country today that lives as the Europeans did under paganism. Not to mention that Christianity is true.
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281587 No.853123
>>853119
>Judaism inherits the Hebrew Bible, but they read it through a lens that's vastly different than the one the writers read it through
How so though? I would say the jewish revolutionary spirit has remained the same, in the revolution against the Roman Empire, the Maccabean Revolt etc. Their ultranationalist beliefs were the same in the Old Testament and today(Zionism). I'm Greek and reading verses like Zechariah 9:13-14 make me feel like being christian is having Stockholm syndrome:
13 When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGt7_0GEOvo
check out this video. This behavior "we smash things that aren't true" is inherently judaic. pagans didn't have religious wars. Christians in Greece destroyed so many pagan art and texts, it is unbelievable… I could show you verses by church fathers that show their incredible dislike of Greece.
>However, "paganism" technically just refers to a non-abrahamic religion
I'm using it to refer to ancient religions wiped out due to christianity and judaism, specifically the indo-european ones, but it can also refer to the semitic ones.
>On the other hand, there's little ground that wiccan feminists have forsaken "true" paganism.
Yes there is. I can use pagan philosophers such as Aristotle and Plato to speak against Wiccans. But you're right on the fact that paganism has no dogma and is much more versatile and broad.
>I've been through threads where insults were the bulk of the argument presented.
I'm being intellectually honest so far
>>853122
>Pagan society was a monument to stagnation.
How so?
>If the Europeans hadn't progressed under Christianity, they would have been taken over by an organised power
That organized power is the church
>Not to mention that Christianity is true.
Well no s—, I would convert if I thought it was true. I doubt it though.
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49d7ad No.853125
>>853123
>I'm Greek and reading verses like Zechariah 9:13-14 make me feel like being christian is having Stockholm syndrome:
if Zecheriah 9 makes you think Greek Christians have stockholm syndrom, then I can only imagine how you think Jewish Christians (or just Jews in general) read Deuteronomy 9, II Kings 17, Isaiah 1, Jeremiah 8, etc. Not even mentioning the New Testament.
>check out this video. This behavior "we smash things that aren't true" is inherently judaic. pagans didn't have religious wars.
Just about every society, Christian, Pagan, and Jewish, has had the attitude of attacking things that go against their societal beliefs. When Pagan Rome conquered land, they attacked those things they saw as a threat. This included Carthage, the Druids, certain Greeks, certain religious and philosophical movements, etc. Christian Rome followed suit in this tradition when it formed, just inverting some of the roles.
What sets the Jews apart from this practice is that, to them, "the enemy" is virtually everything that isn't them. It's not just individual people, forces, or beliefs to them. In your it described breaking down things as basic as borders.
>I could show you verses by church fathers that show their incredible dislike of Greece.
One of them you're thinking of is that famous Tertullian quote about Athens and Jerusalem, which didn't represent how the church more broadly felt.
As for many other quotes your probably thinking of about the Hellenes/Greeks more specifically, the word "Hellene" back then was used as a synonym for "Pagan". Sort of how the word "Turks" referred to Muslims ar one point, or how Pagans sometimes called Christians "Galileans".
>Christians in Greece destroyed so many pagan art and texts, it is unbelievable
(Minus those texts that were openly critical of Christianity), from what I can tell, most of the classical Greek literature that was lost happened through negligence rather than malice. To be totally honest I'm far more familiar with Christianization in the Latin world than Greek world, so don't expect me to know everything about this area.
>Yes there is. I can use pagan philosophers such as Aristotle and Plato to speak against Wiccans.
How many of them will listen to Aristotle and Plato? It's easy to be a pagan and disagree with them. Not very easy to be a Christian and disagree with Paul (though some 'Christians' try to do this).
>I'm being intellectually honest so far
Yes, and I'm actually very glad to see a thread going so well. It's a breath of fresh air for me tbh.
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a5091e No.853128
>>853123
I literally told you how it is a monument to stagnation; they literally built monuments to stagnation. The great Ancient Egypt was around for 3000 years, and what really did they contribute to the human race? The same for pagan Europe, what have they given the world? I'll admit that the Greek had good mathematicians, and their philosophy is treasured within the Catholic Church, but the most important inventions of all time all come from Christian Europe.
>the organised power is the church
And? If it wasn't the church, it would've been some other entity. Every civilisation exists because tribal pagans were taken over by an organised religious entity.
Not to mention that the picture in OP is basically a Jew saying "wow look at those backwards Europeans with their silly superstitions, I wish we hadn't civilised them" (not that Jews civilised us), the same bigotry that leftists exhibit when they decry colonialism.
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16b55d No.853133
>>853100
It seems that Rabbi Ravage doesn't remember how many times we genocided. subjugated, and oppressed his people. Ironic seeing how modern day jews wont shut up about it. If Christianity was the jews' attempt at subjugating Europe, it backfired on them in the worst way possible. Secularism has done a much better job.
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3c131e No.853137
>>853100
Hatred of Christianity comes from not understanding anything about it. No one who understands the life and sacrifice of Jesus or has met a true practicing christian who bears the cross can hate them. It also comes from you wanting to become your own God. You generate the atheistic outcome you want and then work backwards which doesn't work. The bible is blatantly honest and it's frustrating to me as well because I see others as worthless at times but you have to humble yourself and realise that acting on that is not the way.
>Call you a Jew
It is so easy to derail an argument with this. The reason we all hate Jews is for how they act. Generally a christian using this as an insult is to point out that you are repeating the arguments Jews use to justify their treatment of you and continue the cycle. Christianity is against the jewish principles, judaism is just an offshoot of christianity and rejection of Christ. Modern jews reject the scripture because they wanted a warlord messiah (much like all of the people on cripplechan who are fans of paganism).
>Right-wing pagans today want to end homosexuality, promote violence against homosexuals while christians have to love and forgive homosexuals
How is that an argument for paganism. Taking the satanic Islamic route is not beneficial. They have souls and first and foremost we should try to save them and prevent to spread of sin, but we don't need to execute them straight out to do that. You are looking at the symptoms of Satan instead of targeting the root.
>Use ad-hominem arguments. Pictures from retarded pagans
The thing is with paganism is it can be moulded into whatever you want it to be. Christianity is extremely straightforward and people seeking it are able to find the true message and discern corruption. An ad-hom of a bad christian example can easily be dismissed because they are obviously not following Christianity. A pagan can basically make up whatever they want at this point.>>853100
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281587 No.853142
>>853125
>Deuteronomy 9, II Kings 17, Isaiah 1, Jeremiah 8
They seem to have no problem with it lmao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LwJv0NFpQo
>This included Carthage, the Druids, certain Greeks, certain religious and philosophical movements, etc
They didn't though? Romans were influenced a lot by Greek civilization. They were impressed by it, they didn't seek to destroy it.
> Tertullian
St Gregory, St Chrysostom and St Basil. St Nicholas as well is thought to have destroyed one of the seven wonders of antiquity, the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus. They literally bragged about destroyed stuff.
>the word "Hellene" back then was used as a synonym for "Pagan"
Not exactly. The word nations existed back then. Hellene was an ethnoreligious term. You can't separate a ethnos from the religion they follow. A cult binds a group together. So they ended up condemning the whole ethnoreligious group.
>most of the classical Greek literature that was lost happened through negligence rather than malice
Both happened.
>It's easy to be a pagan and disagree with them.
Sure, because paganism is more broad. So you have to combine it with another ideology in order to have a complete worldview. This ideology can be fascism, white nationalism etc.
>>853128
>what really did they contribute to the human race
Well, the structural basis needed for civilization. Many inventions are also from Ancient Greece. After Christianity came, the sciences and art stagnated. Only in the Renaissance, that people looked back into ancient texts, progress started again.
> Every civilisation exists because tribal pagans were taken over by an organised religious entity.
They weren't tribal. This is a complete strawman. Do tribals such as Macedonians create a pan-hellenic union and conquer half of Asia?
>wow look at those backwards Europeans with their silly superstitions, I wish we hadn't civilised them
He essentially said that European mythos got completely btfo by jewish mythos. Now you learn about Noah's ark and not Pandora's box. This is of course presupposing that both aren't literally true.
>>853133
And you became a spiritual semite in the meantime.
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281587 No.853143
>>853137
All of your answer is presupposing that christianity is true.
The "satanic Islamic route" you mentioned managed to completely keep homosexuality completely out of their societies.
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3c131e No.853147
>>853143
The go live in an Islamic society instead of a Christian one and tell me how you like it. Jesus said you will know a tree by it's fruits, and that is plenty of evidence for me because all committed christians I have met are fantastic people and it was there sacrafices that built those fantastic communities so I bear the cross as well. I lived in Islamic communities (of multiple ethnicities too not just middle eastern) most of my life and it is the most blatantly satanic lifestyle imaginable.
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f72a3b No.853148
>>853143
>The "satanic Islamic route" you mentioned managed to completely keep homosexuality completely out of their societies.
Yet they have pedestry and other screwed up laws your point?
> completely keep homosexuality completely out of their societies.
And you didn't think Christian societies haven't tried before it took the secular kool aid?
>They seem to have no problem with it lmao:
I don't see anything wrong for them to be christians other than the fact becoming a christian doesn't automatically make you immune to sin after all God is a redeemer and times where had warned israel or punished them.
>Pagans didn't have religious wars
Pretty sure which ever one wins considered their gods to be stronger and other gods are forgotten as they were constantly converting to which ever one wins.
>And you became a spiritual semite in the meantime.
You mean following the truth giving everyone a chance to be a born a new?
>This ideology can be fascism, white nationalism etc.
So you want to submit your self to the state and an ideology that is going to get you no where absolutely brilliant.
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281587 No.853153
>>853147
>The go live in an Islamic society instead of a Christian one and tell me how you like it.
I'm not a sandn*gger, I believe in nationalism and islam seems completely foreign to me. If I was an Arab I would be Muslim.
>And you didn't think Christian societies haven't tried before it took the secular kool aid?
During the Renaissance there were many, many homos in Italy and France. Moreover, Christianity died by its own hand as Nietzsche has explained.
>considered their gods to be stronger and other gods are forgotten as they were constantly converting to which ever one wins.
I might need a source for that.
>You mean following the truth giving everyone a chance to be a born a new?
>truth
>presupposing
>So you want to submit your self to the state and an ideology that is going to get you no where absolutely brilliant.
No, nationalism is the only antidote to the globohomo of today. Globohomo fags are trying to damage our mnemonic roots just like christians did in the past.
BLM is Christianity the anti-European religion making a comeback under different name.
Black Lives Matter activists destroying monuments of American culture are like Christians who destroyed Roman art.
Marble head of the goddess Aphrodite that was discovered in the Athenian Agora was deliberately vandalized by Christians.
They chiseled a cross into the goddess forehead, now compare that to BLM activists painting graffitis on American statues.
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49d7ad No.853155
>>853142
>They seem to have no problem with it lmao:
Then you probably see how Greek Christians deal with Zechariah 9.
>They didn't though? Romans were influenced a lot by Greek civilization. They were impressed by it, they didn't seek to destroy it.
Which is why I said "certain Greeks". If something got in their way, the Romans were keen to get rid of it. Besides, during the conquest of Greece, Sulla didn't show much respect to the country.
>Not exactly. The word nations existed back then. Hellene was an ethnoreligious term. You can't separate a ethnos from the religion they follow.
Christians used the word "Hellene" as a synonym for "Pagan", including all (non-Greek) Pagans. In Mark 7:26, a Syro-Phoenecian (non-Greek) woman is called a "Hellene". If you look at how the word "Hellene" is used in the New Testament, half of the time means the same as "gentile" or "Pagan".
>>853153
>BLM is Christianity the anti-European religion making a comeback under different name.
>Black Lives Matter activists destroying monuments of American culture are like Christians who destroyed Roman art.
>They chiseled a cross into the goddess forehead, now compare that to BLM activists painting graffitis on American statues.
Here's a question: if neopagans had the oppertunity to rule over a Christian or post-Christian country, just as the Christians did over post-Pagan Rome, what would happen to monuments to Christianity and Christian saints?
Whenever a new regime comes to power, the symbols of the old regime are done away with; either with moving them elsewhere, rededicating them to something else, or destroying them. In the hypothetical neopagan regime, the most generois I can see the new government being is moving the icons, paintings, and the like to a museum. I think there would be those, however, who would like to go further.
A government that overthrows Communism erases the sickes and hammers. A government that overthrows monarchy removes the king's portrait. So on and so forth.
So, what's the problem with BLM, Antifa, and the like in modern society? Well, when they tear down statues of Founding Fathers, of American generals, and Christian saints, they send a message. They send a message that America and Christendom is the "Old Regime" that is being done away with. A statue of an Olympian symbolizes Greek Paganism. What would a statue of a Founding Father symbolize?
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281587 No.853163
>>853155
>Greek Christians deal with Zechariah 9
They don't know it. Literally no one reads the Old Testament here. When people started noticing, priests literally said that it was added by zionists. It's all a massive cope.
>Christians used the word "Hellene" as a synonym for "Pagan", including all (non-Greek) Pagans. In Mark 7:26, a Syro-Phoenecian (non-Greek) woman is called a "Hellene". If you look at how the word "Hellene" is used in the New Testament, half of the time means the same as "gentile" or "Pagan".
Sure, in that specific context, it means following hellenism. However check out these quotes by saints:
John Chrysostom:
"If you look inwards (of Greek thought) you will see ash and dust and nothing healthy, everything is full of impurities and pus, and their dogmas are always full of worms… These are the things that the Greeks gave birth to. But we do not give up the battle against them ".
"How much work Plato and his disciples have done to talk to us about line and angle and point and about numbers of even and odd and equal to each other and unequal and for such matters as subtle as the spider's web - because they are more useless in life from those fabrics - and without benefiting much or little from these discussions, he died without cause? "
"Children to obey your parents according to the will of the Lord… Unless the parent is Greek…".
"No one should give their children the names of their (Greek) ancestors, father, mother, grandfather and great-grandfather, but give the names of the righteous (ie Hebrew, Old Testament), martyrs, bishops and apostles ".
Gregory of Nazianzus the Theologian:
"My mother was careful not to kiss my lips Greek lips, not to touch my hands Greek hands and not Greek songs to infect my ears and tongue."
"The wisdom of the Greeks is typhoon… The Greeks are arrogant… superstitious… arrogant…".
The word ελληνίζων refers to hellenized non-Greek and Έλλην refers to Greek. But nevertheless if you say that it just referred to non-Christian Greeks, it's still completely gay.
>Here's a question: if neopagans had the oppertunity to rule over a Christian or post-Christian country, just as the Christians did over post-Pagan Rome, what would happen to monuments to Christianity and Christian saints?
Nothing. We protect our heritage.
>Whenever a new regime comes to power, the symbols of the old regime are done away with; either with moving them elsewhere, rededicating them to something else, or destroying them.
Perhaps, but imagine if all of England decided to convert to Islam today. And then you would have people like pic related defending Islam in some centuries and denying their christian heritage.
>So, what's the problem with BLM, Antifa, and the like in modern society?
This behavior(slave morality) is christian though, that's my point. We are more christian than ever.
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6cf494 No.853166
>>853100
I don't feel a need to respond any way other than "I hope you change your mind. God bless you." I pray for them, as well as all the other atheists and sinners, then move on. I don't even really read their arguments anymore.
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a5091e No.853168
>>853142
>he fell for the dark ages meme
As for the "structural basis", that has been invented elsewhere, it's not a uniquely European invention.
>this is a strawman
And you're moving goalposts, or at least not defining them clearly. Are we talking about the Celts and Germanic tribes, or pre-Roman Greece and Rome?
>european mythos btfo by jewish mythos
And? I still think my interpretation is correct. In a survival of the fittest gene and meme theory world, doesn't that prove that Jewish mythos is better?
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a5091e No.853170
>>853153
>pagan wars
If you look at basically any war in the Ancient Middle East you'll find it's full of melting the idols of the enemy so their people literally cannot interact with them.
>blm is christianity because blm abuses statues
Turbo low-iq take, I could just as easily say that BLM is Islam because ISIS destroys statues.
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16b55d No.853172
>>853142
There is no such thing as a spiritual semite. A spiritual entity has no flesh and therefore has no genetics.
It seems that a lot of your grievances with Christianity are because of its origins, rather than its actual doctrines. You said earlier that if you were an Arab that you would convert to islam. Subscribing to an ideology or religion because of your own heritage is quite honestly retarded. But I suppose you have to seeing how the late Roman pagans and the Catholic Church actually agreed on a lot of things doctrinally. But let's pretend for a moment that because our ancestors were pagans before they were Christians, we should all convert back to paganism. Which paganism? Before Europeans worshipped the gods we know of today, they worshipped the indo-european gods whose names have been lost to time; and before that they probably worshipped different Gods whose names are no longer known and so on and so on. If your reason for being a pagan is your heritage, how do you determine which gods you should and should not worship? It all depends on how far back you trace your ancestery which would be a completely arbitrary choice.
Further more, this idea that Christianity completely destroyed pagan culture and art is ridiculous. The only reason we know anything about pre-Christian Celtic paganism is because Irish monks wrote it down. Even pagan Greek writings like The Homeric Poems only survive because The Church made an active effort to preserve them. The oldest Homeric manuscript (The Venetus A) only dates back to the tenth century A.D. long after Greece's Christianization. It's also ignorant to say that the practice of destroying temples to foreign gods is unique to Christianity or judaism. When Alexander The Great conquered Israel, he attempted to demolish the temple at Jerusalem and rebuild it as a temple to Zeus. The Roman Empire successfully destroyed the temple at Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
>Many inventions are also from Ancient Greece. After Christianity came, the sciences and art stagnated. Only in the Renaissance, that people looked back into ancient texts, progress started again.
This is patently false. Even if it were true, the only reason anybody was able to look into ancient texts is because The Church preserved them. Philosophy and science saw some of their most influential figures arise in the last half of the "dark ages" (1000 A.D. to 1500 A.D.) Among them, Thomas Bradwardine, Willian Heytesbury, and Richard Swineshead.
>Sure, because paganism is more broad. So you have to combine it with another ideology in order to have a complete worldview. This ideology can be fascism, white nationalism etc.
In my mind, this should completely discredit paganism. I personally could never follow a religion that requires life support from secular political ideologies. I consider myself a nationalist (more specifically a theocratic fascist) as well but not because it augments Christianity into a better religion, rather because Christianity augments nationalism into a better ideology. I would even argue that fascism is incompatible with paganism. The old gods were reprobates given to every vice there is, namely adultery. Fascism seeks to build a strong nation and that starts with building strong families and adulterers don't build strong families, they make single mothers who in turn raise fatherless degenerates. How can pagans be held to a high standard when their own gods are drunkards, lechers, and thieves?
>>853153
The people in this picture are the reason The Church used to set people on fire. They are also the reason this practice needs to come back. Leftist Christians were not a problem until the separation of Church and state became a thing. Again, secularization and 'the enlightenment' is to blame.
>>Here's a question: if neopagans had the oppertunity to rule over a Christian or post-Christian country, just as the Christians did over post-Pagan Rome, what would happen to monuments to Christianity and Christian saints?
>Nothing. We protect our heritage.
Tell that to Varg Vikernes who burned down numerous historically significant churches. Or is he just not a real pagan?
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16b55d No.853174
>>853163
>Don't listen to your parents if they are degenerates. t. Saint Chrysostom
Based.
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49d7ad No.853176
>>853163
>Sure, in that specific context, it means following hellenism. However check out these quotes by saints:
Virtually the only quote that makes sense when applied to Greeks as an ethnicity (as opposed to Hellenes/Pagans as a religion) is the one that describes Plato and the like - and that one is probably because Chrysostom came from the Antiochine school (who tended to have a dislike for Greek philosophy, unlike the Alexandrian school).
Also,
>"… give the names of the righteous (ie Hebrew, Old Testament), martyrs, bishops and apostles"
Bishops and Apostles weren't a thing in the Old Testament, and I can probably count the number of (named) Old Testament martyrs on my fingers.
>Nothing. We protect our heritage.
Do you consider Christianity to be your heritage?
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6e673c No.853180
>>853123
>How so though? I would say the jewish revolutionary spirit has remained the same
I'm not convinced this is true. I think it's just modern judaism trying to flex after the fact about things that happened beyond their control. The only thing talmudists need to do is stop calling themselves something that they're not (i.e. Jews) and start believing what the actual people of God have been following all along, which is the true religion, as revealed by the only wise God, in the Old and New Testament.
I think the fact of modern judaism managing to convince half the world that they are the successors, religiously, genetically or whatever, of ancient kingdom of Judah has been the biggest gaslight ever. The talmud was codified in 499 AD. It only pulls a few things symbolically from the Old Testament, and when it does it is all taken out of context and the words are reinterpreted ridiculously. Meanwhile, the people of God have always had the means to understand the original inspired word, even the oldest part which is in ancient (i.e. authentic, not modern) Hebrew. There are translations of the New and Old Testaments in many languages which helps prove that we have always understood it apart from something like Judaism, which is just a false religion that's newer than Christianity and a third unncecessary wheel. Some cultures have had other false religions that rooted false ideas into their culture that they had to deal with. For us, it's this virus known as Judaism that has injected all these false ideas. All you have to do is isolate what those false ideas are by identifying the source as being Judaism and not Biblical in nature. They key is to separate them because Judaism actually has nothing to do with the Old Testament; The talmud was codified in 499 AD. They are a bunch of liars, as we have already seen. So it's hard to imagine those opposed to those lies would then swallow their claims of origin without questioning it. No, that's just what they want you to think, to throw you off so that you will not embrace the real truth, which in the end is the only way to oppose their enormous lies.
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6e673c No.853181
>>853172
The top-down approach doesn't work without God being at the top. Hence, we will not reach the ideals of it without Christ himself present to rule on earth when he returns. All it results in otherwise is essentially North Korea. But if their propaganda is good enough and plays to your carnal lusts enough, you might convince yourself they reached the ideal. All it is then, is just you looking past the atrocities and the truth being trampled by dictators who you choose to view in a good light. That is why we can't have a state church, because it will always go corrupt, hence why the U.S. is the correct model.
Nowadays, climage-changeists ("trust the experts!") and modern judaism are trying to implement a new state church here via their use of television over the past half-century, which is why you see society only now collapsing. It is BECAUSE they are implementing a new state church or trying to. We need to return to the ideals of Constitutional government that is separate from any church-like entity. Otherwise, the spiral into degeneracy, state repression of individual God-given rights, and violence, are going to be hard to avoid. As an example, the Catholic state churches especially are very pro-sodomite, as is Judaism. They would pass laws favorable to the spread of that mental illness, crime, and sin. But if you look at English common law, we prohibited those convicted of sodomy by hanging ever since the era of Henry VIII, until around the 1960s or so when television and those that control it (Judaism) became a factor.
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16b55d No.853183
>>853181
>The top-down approach doesn't work without God being at the top. Hence, we will not reach the ideals of it without Christ himself present to rule on earth when he returns. All it results in otherwise is essentially North Korea.
Actually, the best we can hope for is Franco's
Spain along with just about every Christian monarchy in European history. Including that of Henry VIII. Perfect? By no means. But closer than the USA. However I agree strongly with your initial statement which is why I contend that the best form of government would be a monarchy or a dictatorship ruled by a fervently Christian, very God-fearing man.
>Nowadays, climage-changeists ("trust the experts!") and modern judaism are trying to implement a new state church here via their use of television over the past half-century, which is why you see society only now collapsing. It is BECAUSE they are implementing a new state church or trying to.
It's funny that you complain about this because it is well within their constitutional rights to do so. Freedom of speech and all that trash.
>We need to return to the ideals of Constitutional government that is separate from any church-like entity. Otherwise, the spiral into degeneracy, state repression of individual God-given rights, and violence, are going to be hard to avoid. As an example, the Catholic state churches especially are very pro-sodomite, as is Judaism. They would pass laws favorable to the spread of that mental illness, crime, and sin.
Prior to Vatican II The Catholic Church was strongly against faggotry and they executed faggots with extreme prejudice all across Europe. Vatican II destroyed The Catholic Church which is why I am Orthodox. Furthermore if we simply reset The USA back to the way it was in 1776 or just any time prior to 1960, we can expect to get the exact same results we are seeing today. Our best bet for a prosperous and long lasting nation is one that is overtly Christian and holds The Law of God as the highest ideal while ignoring secular philosophies of human rights and personal freedom. The only right anybody needs is the right to life a pious Christian life.
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6e673c No.853184
>>853183
>I contend that the best form of government would be a monarchy or a dictatorship ruled by a fervently Christian, very God-fearing man.
Nobody is qualified. And if they were, they would be crucified by the people.
>one that is overtly Christian
The people can and should take their right beliefs with them into government. All of us can, and have a duty to be, informed by our knowledge of God and his principles. However, there should not be an entity simultaneously feeding from the government, that teaches on doctrines and morals like the church. This is a path to corruption and Stalinism, as we have seen in European history. The forces of corruption will work their way to the influential positions and corruption will trickle down from there. And the worst result following from these things is that the unlawful authority that the state church takes for itself is unfounded and used, quite opposite to whatever founding principles, to destroy God's people.
>It's funny that you complain about this because it is well within their constitutional rights to do so.
I am saying whose side I am on and that the people who are implementing a new state religion are not on that side, they are against all the things I've talked about, such as God-given rights, and that we should fight against them.
They are actually against the ideals of a system, and yes they are trying to take advantage of it. But I do not believe God will allow them to succeed if we are his people on this earth. The gates of hell shall not prevail against his church, as Christ said.
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16b55d No.853187
>>853184
>Nobody is qualified.
That is not for you to determine. God chose a King for ancient Israel and King David was a sinner like you and I. If David was worthy to be King, somebody alive today is worthy to be King. You cannot leave the position of power vacant because it will inevitably be filled by somebody. In The USA's case, this is the bankers and media moguls.
>The people can and should take their right beliefs with them into government. All of us can, and have a duty to be, informed by our knowledge of God and his principles. However, there should not be an entity simultaneously feeding from the government, that teaches on doctrines and morals like the church.
I think you are wrong. The law of any given nation should be primarily concerned with what is good and what is evil. On this subject there is no higher authority on Earth than The Church and so it should be The Church that makes the laws.
>I am saying whose side I am on and that the people who are implementing a new state religion are not on that side, they are against all the things I've talked about, such as God-given rights, and that we should fight against them.
>They are actually against the ideals of a system, and yes they are trying to take advantage of it.
And they are taking advantage of it because it is a faulty system that allows degenerates like them to pontificate godless ideologies and spread corruption all in the name of free speech.
>The gates of hell shall not prevail against his church, as Christ said.
Which is why The Church should be the supreme authority. The Gates of Hell will and have prevailed against America and The Constitution.
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6e673c No.853192
>>853187
>You cannot leave the position of power vacant because it will inevitably be filled by somebody.
Some things belong properly to God. As such, it is not a man's place or group of men's place to go beyond that bound and enter into sin. Now they may delegate in their mind all the authority for themselves they like, it's not theirs.
It's clear that our people have always had a charter by which our law is determined and liberty secured. Whether it is the current constitution or the earlier ones, like the magna carta, or the charter of liberties, or before. Power is delegated from one source, God, and channels down through that charter to the one nation which is under God, and has been given certain things from the one true God. If He wants to give them, he gives them. If He wants to take them away, then He alone has that ability, not you or I.
So I consequently uphold the decision God has made and that is why my loyalty is to the Constitution and not to any office, or foreign power, or individual person except the Lord, who ordained this. They are God-given rights.
>On this subject there is no higher authority on Earth
God's word is the final authority in these concerns. His is the greatest authority, being not constrained to earth. Anyone who claims to be inspired while going against this, can look for followers elsewhere. Also I should add that as Blackstone noted, who is a noted commentator on English common law, this is the right way of deriving law. Consider for example what the English common law originally says on the subject of the sodomites and which I also referred to earlier.
>IV. What has been here observed, especially with regard to the manner of proof, which ought to be more clear in proportion as the crime is the more detestable, may be applied to another offence of a still deeper malignity,–the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast; a crime which ought to be strictly and impartially proved, and then as strictly and impartially punished. But it is an offence of so dark a nature, so easily charged, and the negative so difficult to be proved, that the accusation should be clearly made out; for if false, it deserves a punishment inferior only to that of the crime itself.
>I will not act so disagreeable a part, to my readers as well as myself, as to dwell any longer upon a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature. It will be more eligible to imitate, in this respect, the delicacy of our English law, which treats it in its very indictments as a crime not fit to be named: "peccatum illud horribile, inter Christianos non nominandum." (k) A taciturnity observed likewise by the edict of Constantius and Constans :(l) "ubi scelus est id, quod non proficit scire, jubemus insurgere leges, armari jura gladio ultore, ut exquisitis pænis subdantur infames, qui sunt, vel qui futuri sunt rei." >Which leads me to add a word concerning its punishment.
This the voice of nature and of reason and the express law of God(m) determined to be capital. Of which we have a signal instance long before the Jewish dispensation by the destruction of two cities by fire from heaven; so that this is a universal, not merely a provincial, precept. And our antient law in some degree imitated this punishment, by commanding such miscreants to be burned to death,(n) though Fleta(o) says they should be buried alive; either of which punishments was indifferently used for this crime among the antient Goths.(p) But now the general punishment of all felonies is the same, namely, by hanging; and this offence (being in the times of popery only subject to ecclesiastical censures) was made felony without benefit of clergy by statute 25 Hen. VIII. c. 6, revived and confirmed by 5 Eliz c. 17. And the rule of law herein is, that if both are arrived at years of discretion, agentes et consentientes pari pæna plectantur.(q)
That is from book 4, chapter 15 by the way. So we see that the capital punishment is, when being done correctly, derived directly from Scripture, specifically the moral law of the Old Testament. That is far different than being on the whims of some dictator who got a personality cult going.
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281587 No.853203
>>853166
>I don't even really read their arguments anymore.
The absolute state
>>853168
>And? I still think my interpretation is correct. In a survival of the fittest gene and meme theory world, doesn't that prove that Jewish mythos is better?
Same argument could be done for homosexuality today.
>And? I still think my interpretation is correct. In a survival of the fittest gene and meme theory world, doesn't that prove that homosexuality and polyamory is better? The nuclear family has been BTFO.
It's not as if the average person is smart enough to notice ideological warfare.
>it's not a uniquely European invention.
Are you trying to say that the greco-roman civilization isn't the start of western civ?
>Are we talking about the Celts and Germanic tribes, or pre-Roman Greece and Rome?
Generally about Greece and Rome
>>853170
>full of melting the idols of the enemy so their people literally cannot interact with them.
1. I need a source for that
2. Even if that was true, this means you willingly cucked yourself and destroyed your own heritage.
>Turbo low-iq take, I could just as easily say that BLM is Islam because ISIS destroys statues.
It's not just destroying statues (even though islam is also abrahamic), it's the whole stance of martyrs. George Floyd is the martyr, who cried to his mother before being murdering by white priviledge. It's the complete exact same subversive message. Christianity all over again.
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281587 No.853204
>>853172
>There is no such thing as a spiritual semite.
Romans 2:28-29
28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
>a person is a Jew who is one inwardly
The Bible literally says it.
>It seems that a lot of your grievances with Christianity are because of its origins, rather than its actual doctrines
I wouldn't care about its origins if it wasn't slave morality
>Even pagan Greek writings like The Homeric Poems only survive because The Church made an active effort to preserve them
That's so false lmao, the church hated Greek literature.
>he attempted to demolish the temple at Jerusalem and rebuild it as a temple to Zeus
>The Roman Empire successfully destroyed the temple at Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
There is a difference between conquering half of asia and changing temples to your religions for your homeland's glory, and managing to ideology subvert a people so that they themselves will destroy their own heritage.
>How can pagans be held to a high standard when their own gods are drunkards, lechers, and thieves?
Depends on what god you are talking about. The gods also weren't thought to be a perfect moral example. Plato, a pagan, created proto-fascism.
>>853174
Cringe
>>853176
I have more quotes if you want.
>Do you consider Christianity to be your heritage?
Yes, after 1700 years, yes. I consider the churches, the saints, the icons etc. to be my heritage. The Old Testament is definitely not my heritage, it is jewish mythos and barely anyone reads it.
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16b55d No.853244
>>853204
>Romans 2:28-29
28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
This doesn't support your statement. It's merely saying to practice what you preach and salvation doesn't come from following legalistic codes.
Here is another scripture that you were probably going to quote at me later so you could insist Christianity is inherently multi-cultural.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
There is no such thing as a 'spiritual semite'.
>I wouldn't care about its origins if it wasn't slave morality
Fredrich Nietzsche's master/slave morality is a false dichotomy. There is no reason to believe that you cannot value strength (master morality) and virtue (slave morality) at the same time; and I contend that The Church does.
>>Even pagan Greek writings like The Homeric Poems only survive because The Church made an active effort to preserve them
>That's so false lmao, the church hated Greek literature.
That's some very nice counter evidence you have there.
>There is a difference between conquering half of asia and changing temples to your religions for your homeland's glory, and managing to ideology subvert a people so that they themselves will destroy their own heritage.
That's fine. It doesn't explain why you're angry that we conquered and forcibly converted you.
>Depends on what god you are talking about. The gods also weren't thought to be a perfect moral example.
Doesn't answer the question and assuming that this is true, pagan morality must necessarily be subjective. Subjective morality leads to modernism.
>Plato, a pagan, created proto-fascism.
If you knew anything about fascism, you would know that nobody created it, it has always existed and every race, culture, and religion that has survived to this day survives only because they follow it.
>Yes, after 1700 years, yes. I consider the churches, the saints, the icons etc. to be my heritage.
So why are you trying to destroy it all?>>853203
>It's not just destroying statues (even though islam is also abrahamic), it's the whole stance of martyrs. George Floyd is the martyr, who cried to his mother before being murdering by white priviledge. It's the complete exact same subversive message. Christianity all over again.
Victimhood =/= Martyrdom. A Martyr dies for what they believe in. Pagan martyrs existed too. Case and point, all the pagans who were oppressed/tortured/killed/etc. by the Christianized Roman Empire.
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16b55d No.853245
>>853192
>>You cannot leave the position of power vacant because it will inevitably be filled by somebody.
>Some things belong properly to God.
I don't expect God to stoop to the rank of an earthly ruler. That job is only fit for His more trustworthy servants.
>It's clear that our people have always had a charter by which our law is determined and liberty secured. Whether it is the current constitution or the earlier ones, like the magna carta, or the charter of liberties, or before. Power is delegated from one source, God, and channels down through that charter to the one nation which is under God, and has been given certain things from the one true God. If He wants to give them, he gives them. If He wants to take them away, then He alone has that ability, not you or I.
And where is any of that in The Bible? God didn't give you a charter or a constitution. He gave you commandments. And the commandments say 'Thou shalt not have any other gods before Me' so it's obvious that God doesn't care about freedom of religion. The commandment also clearly prohibit blasphemy so it's also obvious that God doesn't care about freedom of speech either.
>God's word is the final authority in these concerns.
And God's word is brought to us by The Church making it the final authority. Law should be made by The Church.
I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that except from William Blackstone. It's obvious that the law makers saw God as the highest moral authority and wanted to make a law code that would enforce His will. This is exactly what I'm trying say is the best way to build a society. The Laws of God should take precedence over personal freedoms.
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9457ae No.853246
Reminder it is a mortal sin to entertain such arguments.
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6e673c No.853269
>>853245
>And the commandments say 'Thou shalt not have any other gods before Me' so it's obvious that God doesn't care about freedom of religion.
The problem is, if you give anyone the ability to judge who has the right religion, they will always be a Stalin or a Kin Jong Un. All you are doing is creating another one of those by advocating this. That is clearly worse than allowing the church to exist, obviously. Those dictators prohibit the church. You seem to wish to create a dictator like those men. If you don't realize this, it just means you are naïve and a useful idiot for God-hating tyrants.
It's George Orwell's dystopia. You give one fallible man the ability to define thought crimes. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>And where is any of that in The Bible?
Romans 13:1. It says "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers."
Right now, the higher powers are what I have described, regardless of what anyone wants it to be.
>And the commandments say 'Thou shalt not have any other gods before Me' so it's obvious that God doesn't care about freedom of religion.
I obey the commandments. That includes being subject to the higher powers, not being subversive, and also praying for the grace to live peacefully with all men.
1 Timothy 2:1-2
>1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
>2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
Romans 12:18
> If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Try following these laws first and then see where you are at afterward.
>I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with that except from William Blackstone.
It helps to show how our laws are correctly derived straight from Scriptural application.
If this degradation away from Scripture and towards authoritarianism continues, fewer and fewer laws will remain as the anti-Christian authoritarians continue to assault morality as they have already significantly done.
>This is exactly what I'm trying say is the best way to build a society.
I agree- Follow the 18th-century English common law approach. This is what I have been describing. Do not give personal freedoms to anyone to judge thought-crimes. Neither allow personal freedoms to anyone to enact speech codes. Restrict "personal freedoms" when they conflict with the right of the unborn to live, because that is homicide. Restrict personal freedoms to commit provable crime. This is all good and virtuous.
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af762b No.853273
>>853246
I don't agree with the anti-Christian arguments presented here, but are you saying it's a sin to even consider them? To examine them? Are you saying that our faith should be blind?
I believe in Christianity because the arguments in its favor are stronger than the arguments in favor of other religions and worldviews.
You internet Catholics are such insufferable Pharisees, ever eager to call everything a "mortal sin" and laying new burdens on your brothers' backs. I spit on you.
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000000 No.853279
>>853273
> Are you saying that our faith should be blind?
Yes, your faith should be blind. Christ said those who believe without seeing are blessed. Not sure why you're making a virtue of being a doubting Thomas! Come to God as a child!
The problem with Protestants is that they've thrown out 7 books of the Bible, say "bible alone", and then ignore most of the Bible and claim they are so smart they can make sense out of it. Then you get 2000+ different religions all contradicting one another and the world falls into wickedness and depravity and they don't see what they've done.
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af762b No.853295
>>853279
Alright man, I'm sorry then, I think you're a good guy. I still disagree, I think, but whatever.
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af762b No.853296
>>853279
Oh man, just looked at your ID. Are you the webmaster here or something? Didn't realize I was talking to someone important. Please forgive me. :)
(Although yes, we should treat even the little ones with respect, that's the Christian thing to do.)
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4b4380 No.853297
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>853279
>Yes, your faith should be blind.
That's not the scholarly accepted definition of the word. Faith is a response to revelation, commitment or assurance not blind belief.
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000000 No.853302
>>853296
All zeroes means I'm using Tor.
>>853297
I'll let Jesus know you disagree with him on faith when I see him. I believe in Jesus. He says it, so I believe it. Jesus says come as a child, I come as a child. Jesus frounds on the doubting Saint Thomas, I don't doubt. Jesus says he built his church on Peter, I go to his church and don't splinter off because some monk with the hots for a nun thinks he has a better idea, or some king wants to divorce his wives.
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ac773f No.853305
>>853244
>There is no such thing as a 'spiritual semite'.
pic related
>Fredrich Nietzsche's master/slave morality is a false dichotomy.
You have misunderstood his ideas.
>That's some very nice counter evidence you have there.
Go read what early saints said about Greeks. Especially The Three Hierarchs of Eastern Christianity.
>So why are you trying to destroy it all?
I didn't
>Victimhood =/= Martyrdom. A Martyr dies for what they believe in. Pagan martyrs existed too. Case and point, all the pagans who were oppressed/tortured/killed/etc. by the Christianized Roman Empire
pic related
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16b55d No.853311
>>853305
>quotes a pope
Wrong church and even Catholics know that popes can be wrong.
>other pic
>christianity and blm are the same thing because they destroyed stuff
Pagans warred with each other and destroyed stuff too so pagans are also blm.
>Go read what early saints said about Greeks. Especially The Three Hierarchs of Eastern Christianity.
The Greek pagans were degenerates. The Three Hierarchs didn't have anything nice to say about jews either.
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88eb84 No.853314
>>853305
Just thought it was funny that you said you didn't like:
>3. Use ad-hominem arguments. Pictures from retarded pagans, retarded things pagans have said etc.
Yet that is exactly what you proceed to do.
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16b55d No.853316
>>853269
>The problem is, if you give anyone the ability to judge who has the right religion, they will always be a Stalin or a Kin Jong Un.
Not true. Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox were all treated the same in Francoist Spain.
>Romans 13:1. It says "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers."
Sounds pretty authoritarian to me. But according to what you define as 'the higher powers', this passage can only mean that we should subjugate all other religions and force them to worship our God instead. Which I can also agree with.
>1 Timothy 2:1-2
>1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
>2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
Nothing I said contradicts any of these things.
>Romans 12:18
>If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
And what if it is not possible? For instance, we cannot live peacefully with Muslims because their religion teaches them to kill us all. They have to be dealt with like the animals they are.
>It helps to show how our laws are correctly derived straight from Scriptural application.
>If this degradation away from Scripture and towards authoritarianism continues, fewer and fewer laws will remain as the anti-Christian authoritarians continue to assault morality as they have already significantly done.
Except the Scriptures support authoritarianism as I have shown in my previous response to you.
>Restrict personal freedoms to commit provable crime.
Blasphemy is a provable crime. Obviously you cannot enforce 'thought crimes' because they are unprovable but you can easily prove that people like Kenneth Copeland regularly commit the crime of Blasphemy and should be punished accordingly.
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49d7ad No.853320
>>853305
>>That's some very nice counter evidence you have there.
>Go read what early saints said about Greeks. Especially The Three Hierarchs of Eastern Christianity.
They had a hatred for Hellenism, yes. That doesn't change the fact that they preserved pre-christian learning, art, etc. Most copies of those texts that we have come from the Middle Ages and late empire. Pic related is a copy of the Aeneid from Christian Rome. https://www.openculture.com/2016/07/1600-year-old-illuminated-manuscript-of-the-aeneid-digitized-put-online-by-the-vatican.html
>blm pic
Christians tore down and broke pagan idols because they believed that governments rule by the grace of God, and thus what they saw as false religion is to be outlawed. It's the same mentality that Pagan Rome had towards disobedient sects like the Church - if the gods are real, then their worship is to be enforced for the safety of the empire. When Christian Rome took power, the roles were just inverted.
BLM, on the other hand, tears things down because they hate what those statues symbolize. I highly doubt that the (largely atheist) left-wing rioters have divine right on their minds when tearing down statues of soldiers.
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6e673c No.853333
>>853316
>Except the Scriptures support authoritarianism
If you support "an authoritarian" then you inherently reject the true authority of God's word. But I still support your ability to express those views because I believe they will not prevail over the truth, nor are any of those things higher than the real authority vested in the person of God and consequently in the things he commanded and said, those things being Scripture not anything else. Again 18th-century English legal standards as we've discussed were fair with respect to this. It was enough to stop the tyranny of many men in history. And the best part was we had assurance that sodomy and perversity were clean from our streets. That was all before the pessimistic and nietzchean "will to power" people, the machiavellianites and their cohort came over here and started proclaiming extremist ideologies which reject the proper place of the Bible in our lives. But I still do not think their plan is going to play according to their plans. Nothing is going to go according to their plan. As it says in the book of Job, "Far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways."
So in short, the problem is and was always sinners; None will be given the personal freedom to decide what speech or what thought is considered outlawed. Because they are not qualified to the task. It will only be abused. And we've seen what that can do. Yes, we've learned quite clearly from historic (communist) examples. Thought police is only used to cover up and enable sin. In fact, you see it now, in more highly "progressive" as they say cities, and websites. I wonder why you're not there. That doesn't mean that thought or matters of words cannot be sin. But does mean that God is the one we must seek who is qualified to the task. We must stick to provable crimes in a tangible justice system. Thot police without thought police, in brief.
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6e673c No.853334
>For instance, we cannot live peacefully with Muslims because their religion teaches them to kill us all.
Just enforce the law impartially, and people who chafe against justice will end up on the wrong side of the laws. The problem is when people think they are smarter than that and hand out exceptions because they are afraid/pressured to act in an unfair manner, specifically letting criminals go when they shouldn't be.
Again, progressivists, which are authoritarians, prefer to let some personal "authoritarian" decide on a case by case basis who should be given exceptions to these things, which is exactly why they have undermined the justice system in many places. "Antidiscrimination" is itself unjust! But many of those people would like to take away my ability to even speak those words if they could. You would be giving them the proverbial keys to do that.
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fce7bf No.853339
>>853302
>I'll let Jesus know you disagree with him on faith when I see him.
the scholarly definition comes from Christian who study the bible.
>Jesus says come as a child
>1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
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68a2d5 No.856653
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