/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

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>>851132

Good people abide by good government, bad people do not. Bad people abide by bad government, good people do not.

I tell you God is the ultimate government, and no man can serve two governments.

>>857099

>its another schizo using revelations to justify his politics

Revelations 22:18-29

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Matthew 24:23

At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.

>>856325

It's always a little odd how much they love the symbols and motifs of the Church, but little of that is reflected in Japanese life.

The only person I can think of that's associated with anime who is probably a little more sincere about it is Yoko Kanno. She's a prolific composer for a lot of anime. She had Catholic parents and first developed her music training in church. I don't know if she's exactly religious herself, but you can hear the influence in masterpieces like the GitS theme:

>>856329

Also to add to the cool factor, Origa the singer was Russian and Orthodox. The lyrics are a mix of Russian, Latin, and English.

I think that for most of them Christian religions are just another mythology, like Greek or Egyptian. They don't use it for any kind of deep theological meaning, even when the symbolism is accurate it's just world-building for them rather than any kind of theological relevancy.

>Cuckime of the Godless slanties

>>856235

Another terror attack goes off in indonesia parts of africa.

Not a strawman when that happens nearly daily over there.

>>855939

>“That is enough,” He answered.

Read it again. That is clearly sarcastic. In the same way we might say "Enough of this [nonsense]" or "I've had enough."

That verse doesn't mean what you think it does.

>>853685

I don't care why or if I'm hated or not. I hate the world too. And I hate my old self who was also a part of it. I want nothing more than it's destruction. I can't really blame them if they think the same.

>>856809

hello mr prot I am not catholic but I am wondering what happened to 8chan since I last visited. Why is most every post image replaced by the "join or 404" image? I thought this site must have died but I see anons like you still posting.

>>856993

>they're just flesh golems with the evil programming or satan

Incel heresy

>>856740

Theres no new thing under the sun

If the catholic church does evil God wil punish the vatican until it cleanses itself

The tratment on veneration of icons and mary as idolatry has been floating around for like 1800 years if not more

Not anime but I don't want to s— up any other thread with this question: How cringe and blasphemous is Bayonetta? It's 5 bucks and combat looks cool but apparently you play a witch and you fight angels? Sounds pretty gay but maybe one of you can vouch for it.

Still gonna take it with a grain of salt considering some of the recommendations here tbh

>>856423

>Who and in what part? Genuine question, because GuP it's my favorite anime, but I don't remember a dialogue like that.

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BuxKccjq4Q

>>856901

I met a guy by chance with a large tattoo like in OP picrel on his chest. He had different sigils tattooed as well, Star of Chiun on both his shoulders and some other Satanic symbols. He wanted to infiltrate my mind, but I took his tricks with humor and called him out on his bulls—. He was contradicting himself every five minutes he started to seethe hard because of my being Christian. He wanted to fight me but didn't have the balls to confront me. Clearly a sick individual. I asked him repeatedly what he is or with what organization he associates: Masons? Satanists? Black magicians? Any mystery school? When I asked him if he's a Jew, he said yes, a Sephardim, and I replied: "Ah, now all makes sense" and ended the conversation. Later on he said he lied to me about him being a Jew. I did not care, this was the only positive answer he gave me, and a detailed one. He staid in the same hostel as I and he wanted to break into my room at 2AM but my door was locked. He later tried at somebody else's room. He had dark, empty eyes and his skin was sickly pale. A demonic individual but I can't deny I had some fun winnie the pooh with him.

>>856901

Do they have a website or something? We all would need to learn more before we can properly be a thorn in their side

>>855604

Clearly being loyal to a mate is of importance for everlasting life, else He wouldn't even have mentioned it.

>>841907

>>841907

What book should I buy to learn more? I only know about how Aquinas proved it’s possible for creation to have started with God rather than an infinite amount of creators creating new creations and creators… if that makes sense. Saw it years ago on /pol/. I’d love to read more.

Where did everyone go? Was there ever anbody on this board to begin with?

>>842056

>I disagree that hell is eternal. With how merciful, loving, and forgiving God is, why would anyone believe such a thing?

Human souls are eternal. After you die, your soul will leave your body and face god. If you sinned during your lifetime, you soul is tarnished and you cannot be with god. This state of exclusion from god's presence is the greatest of all torments, because god is the source of all holiness.

If you were righteous during your lifetime and followed god, he will let your soul be with the heavenly host, and you will be able to "see" god personally (the beatific vision). Being able to gaze at and worship the greatest of all divine beings for eternity is the ultimate reward for a faithful, righteous life.

"Time" as we know it simply means change. Because humans are made from matter+energy, and matter+energy is constantly changing, we experience time. Beings that do not change (souls, angels etc.) do not experience time. When your soul leaves your body, you stop experiencing "time" as we know it and you face the consequences of whatever state your soul is in at your death (sin or righteousness) for eternity.

>Are most Christians really okay with never seeing the majority of the people they know and love ever again?

Even if the majority of people you know are not Christian, that doesn't mean that they will not one day see the truth. There have been cases in which Jesus and mary appeared to people in a vision, so it could also mean that Jesus or mary might visit someone on their deathbed and let them see the light.

I pray that my atheist grandfather is with god and that he knew god before he passed away.

Rev 21:4 states that there will be no more death, mourning, crying, or pain.

>>842056

>I disagree that hell is eternal. With how merciful, loving, and forgiving God is, why would anyone believe such a thing?

Human souls are eternal. After you die, your soul will leave your body and face god. If you sinned during your lifetime, you soul is tarnished and you cannot be with god. This state of exclusion from god's presence is the greatest of all torments, because god is the source of all holiness.

If you were righteous during your lifetime and followed god, he will let your soul be with the heavenly host, and you will be able to "see" god personally (the beatific vision). Being able to gaze at and worship the greatest of all divine beings for eternity is the ultimate reward for a faithful, righteous life.

"Time" as we know it simply means change. Because humans are made from matter+energy, and matter+energy is constantly changing, we experience time. Beings that do not change (souls, angels etc.) do not experience time. When your soul leaves your body, you stop experiencing "time" as we know it and you face the consequences of whatever state your soul is in at your death (sin or righteousness) for eternity.

>Are most Christians really okay with never seeing the majority of the people they know and love ever again?

Even if the majority of people you know are not Christian, that doesn't mean that they will not one day see the truth. There have been cases in which Jesus and mary appeared to people in a vision, so it could also mean that Jesus or mary might visit someone on their deathbed and let them see the light.

I pray that my atheist grandfather is with god and that he knew god before he passed away.

Rev 21:4 states that there will be no more death, mourning, crying, or pain.

>>856983

>But those "moral standards" are not necessary

'Without holiness no one will see the Lord'.

"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me."

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.'

And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” (…) If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

"God’s Will: Your Sanctification"

While it is correct that is by grace that we are able to keep the commands, as we cant do nothing good by ourselves, if we are sinning it means we are not accepting grace.

The process of becoming holy is God working in us, and we accepting it.

If we die not having allowed for our sanctification and knowing that 'without holiness no one will see the Lord', we'll get problems.

If we are repentant we get purgatory, if unrepentant hell. If fully sanctified we go directly to heaven.

>>857006

> 'Without holiness no one will see the Lord'.

If you are saved then God has given you a new heart to know him. He has resurrected your spirit. That spirit is holy. My flesh is not.

Romans 7:14-25:

> 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

My flesh will wither, die and rot. In my sinless redeemed spirit I will see God.

> "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me."

We are saved because of God's love and mercy towards us, not our love towards him. None of us love the lord as we should.

> “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.'

The will of the father isPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>856925

>Matt 7:20

That's talking about good/false prophets if you actually read the whole passage, and not one verse

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

are jesuits more powerful than j3ws?

>>855793

>>856965

You never see saints in the Bible praying to ones in heaven. You never see Abraham praying to Noah, Moses to Abraham, David to Samson, Peter to David, etc.

>>856966

Noah, Moses, Abraham et al were not in heaven until Jesus was crucified and descended into hell (limbo is the highest level of hell) to free them of original sin and lead them to heaven.

You can't ask the Church Triumphant to pray for you if they're not Triumphant (in heaven).

Praying to known servants of the Lord is in the Book of Job.

>>855934

There will be no unity until Jesus comes.

More likely it will be underground catacomb churches

Just give up on ecumenism, it will only lead to the antichrist and setting up his kingdom

Sergius, there are many who follow in his footsteps especially in orthodox churches in Russia and Eastern Europe

I honestly think end times christianity (we are already at the beginning of the one and only End Times only a few years to a few decades to the tribulation, not the 'end times' since pentecost) is more like Orthodox Spirituality and Orthodox Theology without the trappings of having priests, liturgy, things like that sort combined with house churches of persecuted countries/the apostles

There is a certain bar set for the Word of God/"True Christianity" (many are called few are chosen, endure to the end to follow God with all your effort every waking second of your life, all that highlighted Red Letter Text.)

Just think about what situation you could find this in, hint: it will be the exact texts Jesus says in the New Testament Bible.

LIFE OR DEATH you live according to these very words, as a start for being a christian.

>>856971

>Noah, Moses, Abraham et al were not in heaven until Jesus was crucified and descended into hell

I don't believe the Abraham's bosom/Paradise thingy either.

>free them of original sin

They were freed when they got saved

And Jesus' death counts backwards too. That's why it says he was slain from the foundation of the world

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

>Praying to known servants of the Lord is in the Book of Job.

verse

Also you then don't see them doing it in Acts or the epistles. So bad point either way

Well if you were saved before I don't know if you can be saved again, nor do I know that you can even lose your salvation in the first place.

Personally I don't think you technically can, because I think God only saves those who he plans on taking to heaven, he already knows their future but he chose that person anyways.

If you can be brought to an unsavable state and a position where God doesn't forgive you I don't think you'd even think about it.

The only person who can't be forgiven is probably the person who has a heart so hard they don't even ask for forgivness.

And maybe you do have a hard heart I don't know. But clearly not hard enough, because you are still seeking God and that's what is important. The improtant thing is to finish the race now keep going. I think God has a special love toward people who will keep running the race even when they are worried about their own salvation. You show God that you don't even care. Save me or don't but I want to continue the race and I want to live Christ like and do what is right.

>>856980

And of course you can believe in Jesus again. Jesus said you can speak against him all you want and be forgiven if you repent.

People get very scared, I've been scared of course of the idea of unforgivable sin which is against the Holy Spirit. I don't know any examples of someone some how knowing they've done this.

One of the saddest verses in the Bible Judges 16:20 The Lord leaves Samson and it says Samson didn't even know it. That's a scary idea. Many rainbow flag churches are like that, no idea that the Lord has probably left them. Clearly they're not concerned though.

I think speaking against the Holy Spirit is a genunine serious eternal rejection that needs to happen. In a way you probably should never worry about it because if the Lord leaves you, you wouldn't be concnered about it. You wouldn't even think about it. I don't think so.

Hello friends I have a question that is not relevant but is similar.

After nearly a year of being on the wagon I had too much to drink and scrolled though porn thumbnails after my wife went to bed. My conscience wouldn’t let me do more.

I’ve asked forgiveness from the Lord but I have not confessed to my wife. In part because her reaction will be disproportionate to what actually happened, she believes that for me to have any attraction to other women is equivalent to cheating and therefore anything involving porn is worth days of crying and not talking to me.

I am deeply conflicted, on the one hand I feel the need to confess, on the other I am afraid I will be doing more damage to her than is warranted for the sake of soothing my own guilt. And further still I worry the later concern is just a mask for avoiding the consequences.

Can I be forgiven without confessing to her directly?

You might have to repent at a deeper level than you had ever imagine.

Just repeatedly saying prayers and confession I don't believe actually cuts it from my own dabbling in occult garbage.

It will take a lot of humbling doing tremendously laboring works in your sanctification to purge out all traces from your soul. Since dabbling in such stuff already heavily tarnishes your soul, or if you were in that mental place in the beginning to try out that kind of stuff, even in adolescence