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d18912 No.854559 [Open thread]

WHO ARE THE SONS OF GOD IN GENESIS 6:4?

In the Old Testament, those who were called the sons of God were:

- "Adam (Luke 3:38)"

- "The Angels (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7)"

- "Israel (Isaiah 43:6,7, Psalms 82:6, Matthew 9:2,22)"

Adam lived 930 years (Genesis 5:5), and we can see by the genealogies in Genesis 5 that the time of 120 years before the flood (Genesis 6:3) was approximately 1,000 years after the death of Adam.

And though Adam was verily created in the image of God, he sinned and fell, and afterward begat sons ""in his own likeness, after his image"" (Genesis 5:3) as a sinner (Romans 5:12); and as a result his children were not called in the scripture "sons of God".

Seth was given by God as a substitute for the seed of Abel, whom Cain slew, but, nowhere are Seth or his seed called sons of God…

The scripture gives us no reason to believe that Seth or his seed possessed any special power to produce or engender giants (Genesis 6:4).

Israel came from Abraham, who did not yet exist during the time indicated in Genesis Chapter 6.

Therefore we can see clearly that "the sons of God" in Genesis 6 werenotmen.

So, the only other possibility is that they were angels. Peter and Jude spoke of them in the New Testament (2 Peter 2:4,5, Jude 1:6,7), saying that they had fornicated after the same manner as Sodom and Gomorrah; and they are not running to and fro through the earth today, as are the devil and his angels (Job 1:7, 2:2, Ephesians 6:12), but are rather "…reserved under chains of darkness unto the judgment of the great day…"

They are in the abyss where the unclean spirits of today fear to go (Luke 8:31).

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d18912 No.854567

Amen.

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9adae4 No.854568

You're forgetting what is written in I John 3:1, which says

"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

>WHO ARE THE SONS OF GOD IN GENESIS 6:4?

Saved people, obviously. That's why it was considered to be "corrupting his way" (Genesis 6:12) when they would intermix with those who were of Cain's line.

>but, nowhere are Seth or his seed called sons of God…

They are in Genesis 6:4 lol. That's the whole point.

>Peter and Jude spoke of them in the New Testament (2 Peter 2:4,5, Jude 1:6,7)

I've seen this before. 2 Peter 2:4 does not say anything like what you said about those angels. Clearly Sodom and Gomorrha, being in verse 6, are a different example from verse 4, the key theme being rebellion.

Jude 1:5-7 again shows us three examples of rebellion. You are accidentally attributing what the Sodomites did with the angels. Both groups rebelled against God in their own ways. It says the angels "kept not their first estate." That isn't the same as what's described for the cities of Sodom, Gomorrha and the cities about them, which all together committed the rebellion of "going after strange flesh." Again, here there are three different examples of rebellion when you also include the rebellion of those who left Egypt in Jude 1:5 who "believed not." So these are three different examples of "rebellion" and that is the common linking factor here. Same with II Peter 2:4–6.

>saying that they had fornicated after the same manner as Sodom and Gomorrah

It says the cities about them in like manner. Meaning the smaller cities aside from Sodom and Gomorrha also did the same thing that the two big cities did. Which explains why they were all destroyed for their rebellion together.

>and they are not running to and fro through the earth today, as are the devil and his angels (Job 1:7, 2:2, Ephesians 6:12), but are rather "…reserved under chains of darkness unto the judgment of the great day…"

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81b88b No.854569

>>854568

>Some would say no, citing Matthew 22:30.

Yep, exactly.

I think you missed anon’s point there. Anon said that Jesus was only referring to the angels which are in heaven i.e the obedient ones. Not all angels.

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2b9304 No.854553 [Open thread]

Im not gonna lie. I need money for my girlfriend to repair her phone and get out of debt. I struck out on /random/, people there were jerks.

I need .009 in btc sent to: bc1qca4hqedvrawdpt8vhu5vm3s6pjzq97y4tejasn

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e938ac No.853995 [Open thread]

Why do people describe Christianity as a "de-clawed Lion" ? The bible supports the right to bear arms.

>Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

So why do people see Christianity as weak and are they right or wrong?

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0c71f3 No.854043

>>853995

I think this image of Christianity comes from modern false interpretations of scripture as being inherently pacifistic. I don't know how anyone could come to this conclusion considering all the war and violence in the Old Testament. Pacifist Christianity is a 'feel-good' religion pretending to be a real religion.

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3fb9aa No.854058

The Jews created Protestants (by funding the princes who fought the wars) to intentionally declaw Christianity.

The Church teaching per the Council of Basel commanded both diocesan bishops and secular powers to:

Prohibit in every way Jews and other infidels from having Christians, male or female, in their households and service, or as nurses of their children;

Prohibit Christians from joining with them in festivities, marriages, banquets or baths,

Prohibit Christians from joining with them in conversation,

Prohibit Christians from taking them as doctors or agents

Prohibit Christians from marriages or officially appointed mediators of other contracts.

Prohibit Jews from being given other public offices

Prohibit Jews from being or admitted to any academic degrees

Prohibit Jews from being allowed to have on lease lands or other ecclesiastical rents.

Jews are forbidden to buy or accept ecclesiastical books, chalices, crosses and other ornaments of churches under pain of the loss of the object

Jews are to be compelled, under severe penalties, to wear some garment whereby they can be clearly distinguished from Christians.

In order to prevent too much intercourse, Jews should be made to dwell in areas, in the cities and towns, which are apart from the dwellings of Christians and as far distant as possible from churches.

On Sundays and other solemn festivals Jews should not dare to have their shops open or to work in public.

That may offend your sense of Americanism, but had these rules been followed the US of A wouldn't have become Sodom 2.0.

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8685b3 No.854540

>>853995

Deus Vult pupper

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8685b3 No.854541

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>>853995

It's all up to us Christian. If we step up, then of course Christianity won't be seen as weak. If we drift and tolerate, then it will.

Both are scriptural, genocide and mercy.

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6080ce No.854546

There is no meaningful way to answer this question without seeing the claims of those who have used that phrase

Christianity is a religion of peace and we leave final justice to God. We have the moral grounds to act in self defense but never aggression and even have the admonition to suffer injustice voluntarily without retaliation. It's in the sermon on the mount.

>>854541

>genocide is scriptural

ok edgelord

>>>/pnd/

There was one event which could be debateably called genocide, the canaanite conquest, and it was specifically mandated by the Lord.

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5aeac0 No.853971 [Open thread]

I need some help. I need a good explanation of 1 John 2:18

>Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour.”

Now he can't literally mean the final hour, in referring to the apocalypse that hasn't happened since that was written, which would mean John is wrong?

There is also this

>2 Peter 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

>Matthew 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

And there are many other uses of the "final hour", final days, two ages. Is it referring to the apocalypse, the resurrection or both? Picture not related.

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e49491 No.853985

>>853980

so the resurrection?

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60596e No.854000

l"It is the last hour. That is, according to the common interpretation, the last age of the world, from the coming of Christ to the day of judgment, and the end of the world, which St. Paul calls the end and consummation of ages. (Hebrews ix. 26.) And as you have heard that antichrist (the great antichrist) cometh, or is to come in this last age: now there are already many antichrists; i.e. as the word signifies, many adversaries to Christ, who are forerunners of the great and last antichrist. (Witham) Many antichrists; that is, many heretics, enemies of Christ and his Church, and forerunners of the great antichrist. "

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78d608 No.854515

>>853971

>Is it referring to the apocalypse, the resurrection or both?

Omega

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430383 No.854531

No, he means the last age before the last day

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9cb595 No.854539

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Well, the things you are referring to basically refer to the New Testament age broadly speaking, in which we now live. Jesus Christ is risen today and ascended to the right hand of God the Father. Now we wait for his return in glory. In this sense, it is the last day. This time is also spoken of in Daniel the prophet, where it says in Daniel 12 the following words:

>8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

>9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

And so we see that now said time has come, seeing as the parallel to this is now found in Revelation 22:

>10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Hence, Paul could tell the churches the following in Romans, "And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed."

And again, in Acts 13:46-48, "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."

And again in Hebrews 10:23-25, "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

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cb5170 No.854536 [Open thread]

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4e0c8e No.854507 [Open thread]

Why do you leave him up on that cross suffering? "It is finished." The cross is empty, as is the tomb.

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8307dd No.854516

>>854507

So you are thankful you do not walk alongside crucified bodies going to the market. One act of sacrifice rippled into you not having to see the real thing everyday. Say thank you, my Lord, my we never forget thy will be done.

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d66850 No.854517

The RCC is in the Bible. You can read about her in Revelation 17

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86c056 No.854522

>>854511

Name dropping unrelated heresies and using condescending language makes you look foolish and immature

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aaf2ae No.854523

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>>854507

>but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, [I Corinthians 1:23]

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82afc5 No.854532

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>>854511

>Blasphemous Protesatanic

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bc879d No.853487 [Open thread]

Hello /christian/. I love this board.

Let me introduce myself. I am a young man, I'm pursuing a law degree in college (it's an undergrad in my country). I want to be a good professional and contribute to society. I believe in God and in Christ Jesus.

But I'll be sincere. I am a man who is attracted to other men. No matter how hard I try, I am not attracted to women.

I don't know what's the cause of my homosexuality, I've had a good paternal figure and although my family isn't perfect I don't think I've had bad parents at all. I don't remember being abused as a child but I might have been, who knows. To be honest I don't like this part about me and I wish I could change it but I'm 22 years old and at this point I don't think I can, so I've decided to just live with it since people have much bigger crosses to bear I guess.

I want to be a good Catholic and I don't want to be a hypocrite or a degenerate. I want to follow the rules.

Am I OK in the eyes of Catholics if I stay celibate as the Catechism says? Am I even allowed to talk about my homosexuality or is it so bad that it shouldn't be discussed? Or am I just a sick degenerate who deserves the rope no matter what I do? Leviticus 18 and all that. Be honest, you're internet strangers so it's not like the Vatican death squads are coming to my house anytime soon.

I want to serve Christ and His Church but I'm not even sure if the Church wants me at all.

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c4ef80 No.854483

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>faggot

>catholic

lol, everytime

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

>>853499

>If i have raping temptations

That's still a sin. And if you look at the definition for a homo it's attraction.

Is someone not heterosexual until they have sex?

>Nowhere there does it say - those who have these temptations, it condemns those who do them.

"burned in their lust one toward another;

>>853521

based

>>853572

sodomites are reprobates and should be executed. They should save us some tax money and the government some time by hanging themselves

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6d8fa5 No.854488

>>854483

Bad thoughts are only sins if you entertain them. You cant prevent a thought from entering your brain, even demons can give you thoughts, saints themselves are barraged with wicked temptations.

As Paul says - "take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."

So no, the initial temptation isnt a sin.

And your citations refute nothing, the next sentence refutes your position ' men with men working that which is unseemly,' -> acting on the temptation.

Why resuscitate a homo thread, let them vanish.

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139f1c No.854498

>>854483

based urasawa poster

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a31afe No.854501

>>854488

It may not be sinful in and of itself but homosexual urges are disordered whether or not they are acted on, and there should be no respect for them from Christian people. There ought to be help for these people to cure their affliction and restore natural affections, but I fear there may be no cure apart from divine intervention. The psychological treatments which have been devised over the previous decades and which are now persecuted seem to help curb deviant behavior and help the homosexual "fake it till he makes it", but the disorder itself seems to remain. We should pray for them

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bc879d No.854525

>>854483

ok cultist

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28c0f6 No.854474 [Open thread]

So this post about Good Friday quotes the Roman historian and Senator Tacitus, who clearly describes the birth, death and Resurrection of Jesus. How many other non-Biblical histories that do the same? It's useful when talking about the history of Christ to skeptics who think the Bible was made up and that Jesus never existed.

https://medium.com/@espe.erik/one-friday-1988-years-ago-90487e3229e

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dbf882 No.854477

>>854474

There is a good book on this topic called the case for the resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas

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f0bb11 No.854479

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2226b7 No.854502

>>854479

Woah, he looks like he's aged 20 years from the last time I saw him

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7cf64f No.854504

The Talmud, by His biggest detractors talks about Him. If both the supporters and detractors are talking about Jesus it is settled. The talmud actually confirms Jesus in various ways, like saying Him and the disciples did miracles which they cope saying its sorcery. More examples in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1rJVkYyAzI

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a16188 No.854518

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8ddf16 No.854506 [Open thread]

"If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

- 1 Peter 4:11 (KJV)

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19e19b No.854321 [Open thread]

Even though I haven’t committed a major sin. I strongly suspect I will go to hell for being too angry and unforgiving. I always carry grudges. Being glee at a city I had a bad childhood being flooded or catching on fire. Also the whole forgiveness of oneself. Don’t know where to begin.

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903b41 No.854355

Take control of your thoughts, when those impulses surge, purge them away. In time they'll lose their strength over you.

These days was watching some talks by a monk and while talking about that psalm that talks about vengeance and smashing the enemies children against walls. He said those children were thoughts as they first appear, without much power over us, so we defeat them in that stage while they are weak. If we let them fester and grow up they'll take control of our minds and lives. Be it through anger, depression, whatever.

So do as Paul says: "take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."

In the meantime while you are not used to this and fall prey to those grudges, plead mercy to God when it happens (example: Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner) and ask for His help in overcoming it.

God always answers our prayers that have to do with our sanctification and salvation of our souls.

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e34613 No.854359

>>854355

>Take control of your thoughts, when those impulses surge, purge them away.

Never thought of that before. Impulses seems like thoughts to me

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7b40b4 No.854482

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8f75b9 No.854486

>>854321

I think maybe one of your problems is watching blasphemous tv shows…

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961b3a No.854494

I have no problem forgiving the others around me for their various transgressions and I don't hold grudges against the people who wrong me in day to day life but I have a burning hatred for the elite. I want to see them suffer, I know I should be praying for their repentance instead but it's very hard for me. I don't know how to get over this. For instance, how does one forgive someone like Klaus Schwab for telling me I will eat ze bugs?

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46ee02 No.851935 [Open thread]

Making a list of a lot of the beliefs that the (((jews))) of today believe/are, and how it contradicts the OT and rejects the New.

Help me come up with some more.

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b59831 No.852323

Bump

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b59831 No.853473

bump

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845be1 No.854108

File: 6e15182ad0cd6db⋯.png (74.25 KB,764x2400,191:600,chosen.png)

>>851935

>>851946

>I made it more in response to annoying LARPagans saying stuff like "Christkike" or that Christians are somehow kikes, even though modern day Jews don't follow the OT at all, and competely reject the new.

I put together this to do that too

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b567f4 No.854481

>>852074

Yes, he is in the OT. But it's seeing through a glass darkly

Yes, I understand Jesus is the passover. But I mean it as in we don't all get togather and slay a literal lamb and eat it.

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80fbcb No.854492

File: 7d35db261232a53⋯.jpg (27.2 KB,320x240,4:3,BibleKJV.jpg)

>>854108

It is wise to understand that Israel refers to the Christ of God. As Paul explains in Romans,

>"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

>Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called."

Read Isaiah and Psalms and you'll see how this works better than what "the world" wants you to think. The Talmudists really have no part in Israel because they have no part in Christ.

>28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

>29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

>30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

>31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Galatians 4:28-31.

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b490c3 No.854453 [Open thread]

I used to be a Baptist but then decided to follow Christ instead and become a Christian. Ask me anything /christian/.

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7b00f4 No.854469

What compels you to s—post bait on /christian/?

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45bb85 No.854478

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((( >>854453 )))

> Former Baptist here, now a Christian

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8f808b No.854490

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1ec79d No.854133 [Open thread]

In Luke's account, all 11 disciples (Judas being now dead) witnessed the ascension. Matthew and John, themselves disciples and therefore witnesses to the event, do not include an account of it in their gospels. Why would they leave out such an important event?

I don't want to cast doubt on anyone, but the fact that only Luke gave an account can lead one to believe that he "added it in".

To those who have had this doubt, how have you overcome it?

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1ec79d No.854454

>>854446

There are a number of things I want to address, and questions to ask. Therefore I will number them:

1)

1a) Consider just the synoptics. Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, and Luke wrote their gospels independently of each other? That is to say, when each of them wrote their gospel they did not know the contents of the other gospels, nor did they have access to them in physical form? I mean that they did not physically read the other gospels nor did they hear them read aloud? 1b) Aside from your belief, does the church and/or the consensus of biblical scholarship have any teaching that would answer that question?

You have written:

>2) It makes little sense to believe in only part of someone's account and not the entire thing.

This line of reasoning is only applicable on a per-author basis, and is not applicable to the entirety of the New Testament because the New Testament is written by multiple authors. It is not "someone's account" but the accounts of many people. Consider that, for example, we assent that Mark's gospel is the first gospel and we are also under the impression that Matthew and Luke just took Mark and added stuff to it to embellish it. Should we then not believe Mark's account? I believe that even if the others lie then we should not call Mark a liar.

>all scripture is given by inspiration of God

>the theories that there are multiple origins of Scripture falls short, actually it all originated in the mind of God

3) How do you apply this to our current discussion of the ascension? Let us say "Luke's account of the ascension originated in the mind of God". What does that mean? Please clarify.

I've been trying to find on the internet an answer to 1b) but it is very hard to search for. I'd much appreciate if you knew some resources that can help me answer this.

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2e9e71 No.854457

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>>854454

>1a pt. 1) Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, and Luke wrote their gospels independently of each other?

Yes. They were as I said above, all dependent on God for inspiration. This is as mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 1:21, Galatians 1:11-12, Titus 1:3, and more. If we were to discount all these, then because of the fact of who it came from it would also invalidate the witness of the others. Therefore, if we truly do hold the witness of the others (Matthew, Mark, Luke) as valid, then these must also be valid, and these epistles explain the inspiration of all Scripture.

Furthermore having proven that the inspiration (by God) of the Gospels must follow from accepting their own veracity, it follows moreover that if these men depended entirely on God for inspiration of the word, then of course, they depended zero amount on each other. And this, in turn, means that the answer to the question is yes, because they were inspired to write the word of God.

>1a pt. 2) That is to say, when each of them wrote their gospel they did not know the contents of the other gospels, nor did they have access to them in physical form? I mean that they did not physically read the other gospels nor did they hear them read aloud?

These two questions are not the same as the earlier one. It wouldn't matter whether or not they knew what the other Gospels contained, if they were only writing by inspiration of God, and being inspired directly by the Holy Spirit to write God's word as Paul explains.

>1b) Aside from your belief, does the church and/or the consensus of biblical scholarship have any teaching that would answer that question?

The church is the pillar and ground of the truth, and keeps Scripture. Scripture has the answer to that question, as just earlier explained above. The answer here would therefore be exactly the same to the answer already explained above.

>2) This line of reasoning is only applicable on a per-author basis, and is not applicable to the entirety of the New Testament

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1ec79d No.854459

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>>854457

>Yes. They were as I said above, all dependent on God for inspiration. This is as mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 1:21, Galatians 1:11-12, Titus 1:3, and more.

I see what you're getting at. Galatians and Titus are very clear that God revealed the gospel to Paul directly, and that he did not learn from another man. However, it does not follow from this that there was no copying going on with the other authors. For example, it is known that Luke traveled with Paul. Is it likely that God gave Luke a vision in the same way he gave to Paul? Or is it more likely that Paul communicated the gospel to Luke. Truly I believe the latter; although the former is not impossible, it is not the best explanation in my opinion. Regardless, even if there was copying or otherwise transferal of information from one apostle to another by an oral tradition, it does not necessarily follow that the derived works are not inspired by God (because any additions/subtractions are also by the direction of the Holy Spirit), and so we should not assume that necessarily ALL authors had the same experience as Paul where God communicated the whole gospel to him. Do you see what I mean?

>According to 2 Timothy 4:11, the apostle Paul worked with Mark

Which leads me to believe that Mark discovered the gospel via Paul or Paul + other sources + revelation from God.

>it follows moreover that if these men depended entirely on God for inspiration of the word, then of course, they depended zero amount on each other

This is where I disagree. See above.

>So you see how "inspiration" by God explains how really, all of the books of the Bible originated from the same mind, and this explains the similarities and how none of it contradicts itself.

I do see what you mean, but like I said above I don't think this means that they didn't learn traditions from each other.

>The church is the pillar and ground of the truth, and keeps Scripture

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2e9e71 No.854471

>>854459

>http://www.vatican.va/

Oh that's a cult site anon. It's not actually the church. This link is like something you might find out of Salt Lake City about how the mormon founders are infallible: Of course they would say that, it doesn't mean that's what the historic church teaches though.

>Tying this in to what you're saying, God is the author of it all, and so he did not write it in Matthew because he, being the sole author, knew it would be written in Luke/Acts.

Sure anon, that makes sense according to what we said earlier. Some readers get tripped up over all kinds of things, like the Gospels being too similar (or too different) for them to believe. They can always find something to object to if that's what they are looking for. I also think that our Lord authored all Scripture with the explicit goal that the believers would be comforted and supported by his words, while those who were nonbelievers would always "stumble at the word," because they were "disobedient," like Peter described.

Consider what Christ himself said in the gospel of Luke 8:10.

"And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."

It also says the following in John 12,

"But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

And it is for all of the above reasons I believe, that many unbelieving people, who havPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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d7ce6f No.854472

>>854471

are you alleging that vatican.va is not a vatican website?

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9f085a No.854460 [Open thread]

You understand the computus, right? How can you claim to be a theologian if you don't understand the Christian calendar and the mathematics behind determining the date of Easter?

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20831f No.854462

>>854460

Well the Orthodox Church still uses the original method developed by the Church of Alexandria in the 4th and 5th century, which was laid out more explicitly by the computus rules of St. Bede and St. Dionysius Exiguus in the 6th and 7th centuries. The Roman Church and its Protestant descendants just use a slightly modified version of this method that calculates western Easter/Pascha each year (actually there are a few jurisdictions in the Orthodox Church, such as the Orthodox Church of Finland under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, that do celebrate Gregorian Easter/Pascha. Also I think the Syriac Orthodox in the OO communion use the Gregorian date too). I don't know all the subtleties to how its calculated, but I'm looking at a wiki page explaining it all now, seems tedious. You can just keep the simple rules in mind that Pascha takes place on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the equinox (March 21 in both Julian and Gregorian calendars, but with a 13 day difference between each). That's easier to remember than learning all the history behind it and the mathematical rules that goes into it all and it's (generally) reliable. You don't have to know this to be a true theologian though. In fact, all Christians are theologians, in the Orthodox faith theology is not just an academic discipline it is the entire Christian life for everyone. Now, I'm sure the theologians who do like math and science do know about it, and they're the ones who are calculating the date of Pascha for the rest of us faithful, but is it necessary for salvation to know? No. Is the celebration of Pascha itself even necessary for salvation? No. However, the celebration of Pascha does date all the way back to the apostles as the first and original Christian holiday that has an unbroken line of celebration since the apostles, it is part of the Tradition of the Church and should be celebrated. It's the day our Lord resurrected from the dead after all! The start of a new creation!

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2e7682 No.854302 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

How to stop hating cessationists? Honestly they make me so angry. They don't even have a single scripture to back up their cowardly nonsense. But I am getting increasingly hostile towards such people. I mean they are literally speaking against the Spirit of God and limiting God's providence and power. These people are only saved in spite of their foolish doctrine, not because of it.

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afede5 No.854447

>>854444

I have no idea what you are talking about, first anon. Are you even replying to my posts?

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afede5 No.854448

>>854444

>>854447

1 Corinthians 14:22 says this:

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1 Corinthians 14:39 says this:

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Where do either of these contain the word "rather" or "especially"?

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69c42e No.854449

>>854447

>>854448

I am entirely looking at the wrong passage. I was still looking at the one I cited.

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afede5 No.854450

>>854449

Ok, very well then. But anyways, thanks for joining the conversation and I hope things go well for you.

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5a0fa5 No.854458

>>854443

>>854442

>>854442

>>854443

At this point I think you have the false god. Your god is confined to a book, not an active living God, operating in His world today. But the biggest evidence that your god is a false god is you are willing to cause your brother to stumble just to be right. You won't be judged for cessationism, rather you will be judged for trying to shake my faith. You don't even tell me I am confused but simply say I am not a Christian. Therefore you are not a Christian. Repent. You are no better than a Catholic who would say my experiences of God are prelest because they didn't make me Catholic. You're a coward and a devil and not a Christian at all. You do not know the Lord. You know a book and you have false assurance because you have no fruit.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

There's your supernatural tongues…

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