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>>856502

>>856483

2/2

So the bible implies here (if we try to interpret this very complicated and confusing law) that the life of a mother is far more worth then the life of a fetus since if you accidental do harm to a mother the punishment is far more harsh then killing a fetus.

Like explained this is a totally different situation to getting a abortion here the miscarriage is forced on the mother and not on the demand of the mother.

I also like to note this:

>wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

>tooth for tooth,

This is a real LOL WUT moment since it indicates that making a woman miscarry a fetus is far less bad then hitting a woman in the face. Or what is it even saying here.

I don't see how anyone can in context interpret this law to say that fetuses are more important then mothers.

Either way its a deeply confusing law that needs interpretation to even understand what it is even saying and even then its not clear.

>This verse seems to suggest that God cares about fetuses considerably

No.

>He outright has severe punishments

Is it?

Harm to the mother = you die.

kill the fetus = pay some money.

Is this "severe punishments"?

Also this is quite comical today

God:

>Let me write about miscarriages in my book of laws

>Let me not write about abortion

>assume that God is okay with abortion, especially in the Old Testament, when He does not expPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

This >>856483 post sounds more convincing than >>856502 and>>856503 also OP sounds kind of badfaith.

>>855771

Blablabla. I'm not reading your retarded novel.

I'll make this simple for you. When I open my Bible to the New Testament and read a passage from someone quoting Old Testament scripture, I can flip to the Old Testament and read the scripture quoted because my Bible is complete.

Protestants, when they try to do the same thing, will find the Old Testament quotes either phrased quite differently or missing entirely because the New Testament author is quoting Septuagint deuterocanon.

Seethe and cope, you false teacher.

>>855772

>Blablabla. I'm not reading your retarded novel

I don't know who's Andersoning who anymore

PCE is pure..

1769 is sexy but so is ur mom lol..

The rest is pure trash.

>>855152 (OP)

Islam

>>856395 (OP)

A big problem about preaching the Gospel (I've never really done it, but i was a rebellious atheist teen) is that people disregard Christianity very easily, even if their life headed for self destruction.

>>856426

Just plant the seed, maintain your integrity around others - because kids and others lost in darkness are still shrewd enough to spot a hypocrite - and pray for them. You don't need to "preach" so much as put the Gospel in everything you say and you do. Simply show that you have a better way. It won't reach all, but it will reach some.

But for those adults who are actively hostile, I don't think there's much that can be done. They had the seed sown for them long ago, and they rejected Christ. You can pray for them, but you shouldn't overstay your welcome. As Jesus said, "Whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet." - Matthew 10:14

>>856490 (OP)

>it would just being end up to being erased by some other cultures/religions.

God doesn't need you. In all honesty, you need to let this sink in before anything else. He doesn't need you. Your efforts mean nothing. He conquered the Roman Empire from the catacombs of humble martyrs. He also preserved the Church in Europe by the efforts of humble believers and monks, during a time of barbarians in the dark ages. And in Tolstoy's case (Russia), the Church thrived there despite all that the Bolshevik's threw at it. Or the Ottoman's previously did to the Greeks. And they were all following the example of Christ himself: The rightful King of the universe, who humbled himself and died on a cross, and bore humiliating torture and insult that were beneath him.

"Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also." - John 15:20

And anyone who presumes to be greater than the Master, that they're the exception, that they have a better way than their own King, that they should not endure what he did, is not actually following Christ. And even if we're not called to directly be martyrs, every Christian is still called to be a martyr in their heart. To always prepared to for this final test, if necessary.

"Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Matthew 16:24-26

Everything a Christian is called to do is a denial of self. If not literal death at the hands of enemies, it's still a call to literally throw your life away in other ways. We must give it all up to God. Be it one's relationships or leaving old notions of worldly success in the garbage.

I couldn't make it passed the part where he says that the governments are not ordained by God which goes against scripture. There has got to be a better way for Christian Anarchism to exist without losing the Christian part.

The part about no resistance to evil is actually biblical but taken to an extreme, it's also a very hard passage to follow.

>Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Check out "Jesus and Non-Violence: A Third Way"

Good take on the "turn the other cheek" and the other two things mentioned at the same time. The Jews would have understood these parables slightly differently than mere passivism.

I'm wrestling with the same things currently. For instance wives are supposed to submit to their husbands "in everything". But every Christian I talk to has a caveat for when a husband goes "too far" and the wife is justified in rebelling against that authority.

I have a ton of trouble separating laws that are just plain inconvenient and… frankly stupid, the sheer number of them is crazy in itself… versus laws that are demonstrably ungodly.

Another fun book is "Everything I want to do is illegal" I'm reading now.

>>856434 (OP)

>- Wishing for certain worldly/political outcomes in a church prayer

If those outcomes lead to something of significance like saving lives from destruction, I don't see why not. I can see situations where this is a perfectly reasonable thing to pray for.

>- Participating in a (group) prayer when one actually disagrees with what is being said

God knows what you personally are praying for. He knows whether or not you agree with something, and prayer is addressed directly to God. So that should eliminate any problems. However, I will also say if someone said something that you disagreed with for personal reasons, it may or may not be appropriate to bring that up to them, depends on what it is. If someone said something doctrinally incorrect, then you will probably want to have a conversation about it afterward to see whether they have a scriptural basis for what they said, if it seems like it contradicts something in Scripture. If someone said something extremely ridiculous, which is incredibly unlikely, we can first pray for God to enlighten that person and forgive them, while also being bold to assert the truth of God's word that anyone might be denying or to rebuke the untruth that anyone might be bringing up.

>- Obeying or disobeying worldly governments, especially when one's bodily integrity/health is at stake?

Well, Romans 13 tells us that the "higher powers" are put in place for God's reasons, which we as sinful men may not understand at times. Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, once had a conversation with Pilate that went like this:

>Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

>Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above:

- John 19:10-11

And so, according to Romans 13 we find that these "higher powers" still have God above them, and He is able to intervene at any time to save those who Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>856439

>Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God:

The scriptures aren't pithy proverbs. If you're going to quote it, quote it in context, as this anon did: >>856440

>>856440

>If those outcomes lead to something of significance like saving lives from destruction, I don't see why not. I can see situations where this is a perfectly reasonable thing to pray for.

This is not Christian doctrine. Jesus actually tells us how to pray and specifically what to pray for and arguably the exact words we should use.

>>856487

>I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

>For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

>For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

>Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

- 1 Timothy 2:1-4

>Pray without ceasing.

>In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

- 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18

>>856491

Jesus tells us specifically how to pray in Matthew 6. "After this manner therefore pray ye: [….]"

new video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVd-T2dZD3I

>>856444 (OP)

is this about MMR vaccines or just specifically COVID vaccines?

>>853959 (OP)

deism > atheism > theism

>>856452

Deism or atheism doesn't heal the sick, cast out demons, or open the heavens and let you hear the chants of angels. It won't even mend the broken-hearted.

This is not a matter of reason or ideology, but Revelation and Power. And the only thing that deists and atheists tell me about themselves is that they've been abandoned. God doesn't even care enough about them to work amongst them. So you're left to yourselves to make sense of the world, instead of having any real experiences.

>>856455

>cast out demons

Yeah that's interesting. Tell me how a Christian can determine who is demonically posessed? I tried to find it in the Bible, but that's never described.

>>856468

Those who are possessed themselves by the Holy Spirit (or a sacred space occupied by the Holy Spirit) are a demon's natural enemies. The holy and demonic can not be in the same room without conflict. This isn't a matter of determination so much as it is simply war itself. It's automatic. Conversely, those who follow Christ will be delighted at the presence of others with the Holy Spirit. Just as even John the Baptist as a baby stirred in his mother's belly at the greeting of the Virgin Mary. Again, this is not a matter of determination so much it is love itself. It's automatic.

How have you not read this in the scriptures? Every demon cried out in the presence of Christ or his emissaries. Even those who were not even connected to them directly.

>"Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”

>But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” - Luke 9:49-50

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In terms of direct determination of evil, that is the gift of discernment pertaining to falsehoods and false prophecies. It's far more insidious than the madness of demons. And it isn't necessarily (or at least directly) demonic. Man is evil in his own way. And determining such things is a separate gift. Something all of the Apostles prayed that Christians would strive for, but it isn't always the case that they do.

>>856472

>The holy and demonic can not be in the same room without conflict.

Chapter and verse please.

>>855799 (OP)

This is not the cancer I usually am suggested to listen to on other sites. This is actually pretty nice.

All I will say about it is that it just goes do-do Do-Do DO-DO and that's pretty much it with little techno verbs thrown in. Not bad, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBatxZ90wag

Even "Omega" God worship should sound like the sun, like this. Btw when the Magas put it to someone like Trump it's pretty amazing, like watching old home classic movies we used to watch growing up.

>>855805

Whereas Superman theme song is more like

>do do-do-do-do DO-Do-do do do-do-do-do SUPER-MAN!

>>855805

man Scott Buckley is a independent composer is music is free

the link that you give me with superman sountrack that is hollywood movie genre soundtrack and i am not fan of hollywood because of the coruption

wow nice .. ..

>>855805

*Man and

bump

>>856328 (OP)

Simply because a geopolitical entity is not Christian doesn't necessarily mean that it is not ordained by God. For example, when the Israelites were conquered by the Babylonians, God clearly intended for the Babylonians to rule the Israelites as punishment for their faithlessness. The Babylonian kings were ordained by God despite the fact that they worshipped false gods.

I believe that the current regime in the USA is a punishment sent on the Christians living here for tolerating Godlessness in our country. However that doesn't mean we can never resist authority, in fact there could come a time when our faith requires us to resist the authorities. I believe that if Christians were to attempt a revolution to create a wholly Christian nation, God would grant us the strength needed to succeed because the new authority we would replace it with would also be ordained by God.

TL;DR governments are ordained by God, but uprisings can also be ordained by God.

>>856422

I guess that makes sense, everything is done or permitted by God.

>I believe that the current regime in the USA is a punishment sent on the Christians living here for tolerating Godlessness in our country.

Isn't it Christian to respect the freewill of non-believers? God doesn't force his creation to love him.

>>856362 (OP)

The wages of sin is death. The more sins we tolerate, the closer to death we draw.

>>856362 (OP)

I could be mistaken, but in those days people were distraught after ww1 as they saw mass casualties, the worst of what mankind had to offer, and many had ptsd after the war with little support. Many saw this suffering and turned to nihilism and that type of thinking, which pushed them farther from God. Combine this with prohibition and the ensuing culture that came with it in the 20’s, as well as the rise of gangsters and the mafia, and America started to seem overtly hedonistic and ungodly. Unfortunately in the past 15 years or so the west seems to be once again approaching that kind of degeneracy, just with a new type of polish on it, if you will.

>>856418

I believe you're right, but it's their own fault. There's nothing more that I despise than people who blame God for things they themselves did. He didn't create these wars or dismantle the world order or peace they enjoyed previously. They did.