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2a889a No.853959 [Open Thread]

99% of atheists I've met have been stupid in why they oppose religion, such as saying "Greek philosophy are the only valid beliefs!" and "We need to move on and forget about religion it's holding us back!", why are these people such low functioning autists?

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078c69 No.856452

>>853959

deism > atheism > theism

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914b03 No.856455

>>856452

Deism or atheism doesn't heal the sick, cast out demons, or open the heavens and let you hear the chants of angels. It won't even mend the broken-hearted.

This is not a matter of reason or ideology, but Revelation and Power. And the only thing that deists and atheists tell me about themselves is that they've been abandoned. God doesn't even care enough about them to work amongst them. So you're left to yourselves to make sense of the world, instead of having any real experiences.

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3d691f No.856468

>>856455

>cast out demons

Yeah that's interesting. Tell me how a Christian can determine who is demonically posessed? I tried to find it in the Bible, but that's never described.

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914b03 No.856472

>>856468

Those who are possessed themselves by the Holy Spirit (or a sacred space occupied by the Holy Spirit) are a demon's natural enemies. The holy and demonic can not be in the same room without conflict. This isn't a matter of determination so much as it is simply war itself. It's automatic. Conversely, those who follow Christ will be delighted at the presence of others with the Holy Spirit. Just as even John the Baptist as a baby stirred in his mother's belly at the greeting of the Virgin Mary. Again, this is not a matter of determination so much it is love itself. It's automatic.

How have you not read this in the scriptures? Every demon cried out in the presence of Christ or his emissaries. Even those who were not even connected to them directly.

>"Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”

>But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” - Luke 9:49-50

>

In terms of direct determination of evil, that is the gift of discernment pertaining to falsehoods and false prophecies. It's far more insidious than the madness of demons. And it isn't necessarily (or at least directly) demonic. Man is evil in his own way. And determining such things is a separate gift. Something all of the Apostles prayed that Christians would strive for, but it isn't always the case that they do.

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3d691f No.856473

>>856472

>The holy and demonic can not be in the same room without conflict.

Chapter and verse please.

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a30dd2 No.856464 [Open Thread]

Does anyone here pray the Auxilium Christianorum, do you recommend it?

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30782b No.856448 [Open Thread]

We need to bring back proper "sex education" about them: Which includes a heavy dose of shame and ridicule.

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8aec4f No.855799 [Open Thread]

hi christians do you like epic music or cinematic music?

here some music from Scott Buckley free copyright :his youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvz0avKwSsM

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7cf35d No.855805

>>855799

This is not the cancer I usually am suggested to listen to on other sites. This is actually pretty nice.

All I will say about it is that it just goes do-do Do-Do DO-DO and that's pretty much it with little techno verbs thrown in. Not bad, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBatxZ90wag

Even "Omega" God worship should sound like the sun, like this. Btw when the Magas put it to someone like Trump it's pretty amazing, like watching old home classic movies we used to watch growing up.

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7cf35d No.855806

>>855805

Whereas Superman theme song is more like

>do do-do-do-do DO-Do-do do do-do-do-do SUPER-MAN!

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c62239 No.855816

>>855805

man Scott Buckley is a independent composer is music is free

the link that you give me with superman sountrack that is hollywood movie genre soundtrack and i am not fan of hollywood because of the coruption

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8cc545 No.856433

wow nice .. ..

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f7357c No.856446

>>855805

*Man and

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50800d No.856368 [Open Thread]

Please gather around, I have an important announcement to make.

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3c4909 No.856373

File: eea46dd6ed5acbe⋯.jpg (10.31 KB,250x250,1:1,1613483397873.jpg)

Thus spake anon…

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d6c39c No.856427

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fd524b No.856328 [Open Thread]

>“The dogma that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained of God, and that the powers that be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with his will, is no less absurd than impious. It makes the impartial Author of our existence unequal and tyrannical. It cannot be affirmed that the powers that be in any nation are actuated by the spirit or guided by the example of Christ in the treatment of enemies; therefore they cannot be agreeable to the will of God, and therefore their overthrow by a spiritual regeneration of their subjects is inevitable.

>Romans 13:1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. 2Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

>3For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and you will have his approval. 4For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer.

>5Therefore it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes. For the authorities are God’s servants, who devote themselves to their work. 7Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

>Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Now obviously Tolstoy is going against scripture by saying that the governments of the world are not ordained by God, but is he right? In Biblical times the Roman government was not only pagan but viciously anti-christian. The governments of toady are also anti-chrisian legalizing gay marriage to appeal to secular liberals. So i believe that there is some truth to the governments not being ordained by God. Does this contradict scriPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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4e6cfb No.856411

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fa5f92 No.856416

File: 0702b798508358b⋯.jpg (149.4 KB,508x636,127:159,The_Death_of_Jezebel.jpg)

>>856411

Being civil is basically the requirement of God's people. But there is also a time for civil disobedience as well. Such as St. Peter and the Apostles telling the High Priest that they will refuse to stop talking about Jesus. They were still civil and a harm to no one.

In rare cases, there is perhaps a time for active disobedience as well, such as Elijah's case, as I mentioned above. He didn't just merely disobey Jezebel. He came back with a vengeance and beheaded all the priests of Baal. He never got close to Jezebel though. He passed his mantle to Elisha. Elisha later anointed a new king, Jehu, who restored a true order worth obeying. And as Jehu finally broke through the royal army and came into her palace, Jezebel got dolled up and tried to look seductive as Jehu approached. It had no effect on him, and zero concern that she was still the "Queen" in some respect. He commanded her own servants to toss her out the window. To her surprise, they obeyed. There her corpse was left to be eaten by dogs, as Elijah prophesied would happen to her long before.

May that be the end of all "State" officials who go against the Lord and his prophets.

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574918 No.856422

>>856328

Simply because a geopolitical entity is not Christian doesn't necessarily mean that it is not ordained by God. For example, when the Israelites were conquered by the Babylonians, God clearly intended for the Babylonians to rule the Israelites as punishment for their faithlessness. The Babylonian kings were ordained by God despite the fact that they worshipped false gods.

I believe that the current regime in the USA is a punishment sent on the Christians living here for tolerating Godlessness in our country. However that doesn't mean we can never resist authority, in fact there could come a time when our faith requires us to resist the authorities. I believe that if Christians were to attempt a revolution to create a wholly Christian nation, God would grant us the strength needed to succeed because the new authority we would replace it with would also be ordained by God.

TL;DR governments are ordained by God, but uprisings can also be ordained by God.

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1691ff No.856424

File: 7d35db261232a53⋯.jpg (27.2 KB,320x240,4:3,BibleKJV.jpg)

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>>856422

>I believe that the current regime in the USA is a punishment sent on the Christians living here for tolerating Godlessness in our country.

I think more specifically, it's for giving heed to and for transacting with Judaism. Any deal with them is a corrupt deal, a wicked transaction. A lot of corrupt theology has seeped into churches in the form of hyper-dispensational or zionist thought, which has led directly to the loss of the power of God in many churches; pretty soon because of this, more people stop reading the Bible or taking it seriously, and then there is a lack of understanding of even the most basic truths. This very drastic trend that we see today seems to align with the description of a great falling away, although if it is THE great falling away we shall see in due time.

As it says in Hebrews, "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

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To be perfectly fair, the U.S. was built on a solidly Biblical basis. Over a hundred years before the Constitution was ever written, you have the documents of some of the colonial founders who came here with a will to escape the corrupt state church system (which serious study of history shows was heavily judaized by that time—a process that has eventually spread to the US in the 20th century, with Hollywood, which is run by "them", its influences, and so on). The colonial founders were well aware of this, and founded this country on an unprecedented Biblical basis. As Lincoln, the 16th President once said, this is a nation "conceived in liberty." It is founded on the proposition that all men are created equal, rather than some kind of big brother bureaucracy that supports "them" and forces people to be "equal" (i.e. "equity") rather than truly placing them on a level playing field.

Yes, the colonial founders knew what was up with that corrupt system. One of the charters was originally proposed to with the following statement, (which is still inscribed on the state house of Providence in Rhode Island even today,) and reads like this:

"That they might be permitted to hPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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efafd1 No.856425

>>856422

I guess that makes sense, everything is done or permitted by God.

>I believe that the current regime in the USA is a punishment sent on the Christians living here for tolerating Godlessness in our country.

Isn't it Christian to respect the freewill of non-believers? God doesn't force his creation to love him.

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6121a8 No.856362 [Open Thread]

It started well before that. Modernism and WW1 broke men. They stopped caring about much of anything. And women became whores (flappers) in these days too.

>Times have changed

And we've often rewound the clock

Since the Puritans got a shock

When they landed on Plymouth Rock

If today, any shock they should try to stand

Steada' landing on Plymouth Rock

Plymouth Rock would land on them

-Cole Porter, "Anything Goes"

>“Ours was a generation grown up to find all gods dead, all wars fought, all faiths in man shaken"

- F Scott Fitzgerald

Another writer, hanging out in Paris, hated his acquaintances however. He could see the soullessness.

>"They're wraiths, all of them. They aren't people. God knows what they've done with their realities.”

- Robert McAlmon

Seems he took the cynic's route. Tolkien and CS Lewis channeled it better.

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7bf723 No.856365

File: e6d32b3646509f4⋯.jpg (29.36 KB,600x541,600:541,a42520a01.jpg)

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Part of this is misconception of the past, see Ecclesiastes 7:10

>10 Say not thou, What is the cause that the former days were better than these? for thou dost not inquire wisely concerning this.

Another part is the fact that the latter days actually are upon us. However, it's not like there has ever been a "golden age" since the time of the fall in Genesis chapter 3. We just choose to focus on what seemed to be better about those times while missing the larger picture, that there is no new thing under the sun. Not until the Savior's return, to right everything that is wrong, will this be resolved. Armed with knowledge of the coming glory of God, we are to be a light in the world (Matthew 5:16) rather than being cynical, as it says in 2 Peter,

>3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

>4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

>5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

>6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

>7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

>8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

>9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

>10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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f97397 No.856387

>>856362

The wages of sin is death. The more sins we tolerate, the closer to death we draw.

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0d6b47 No.856418

>>856362

I could be mistaken, but in those days people were distraught after ww1 as they saw mass casualties, the worst of what mankind had to offer, and many had ptsd after the war with little support. Many saw this suffering and turned to nihilism and that type of thinking, which pushed them farther from God. Combine this with prohibition and the ensuing culture that came with it in the 20’s, as well as the rise of gangsters and the mafia, and America started to seem overtly hedonistic and ungodly. Unfortunately in the past 15 years or so the west seems to be once again approaching that kind of degeneracy, just with a new type of polish on it, if you will.

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6121a8 No.856420

>>856418

I believe you're right, but it's their own fault. There's nothing more that I despise than people who blame God for things they themselves did. He didn't create these wars or dismantle the world order or peace they enjoyed previously. They did.

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aaeb0a No.856014 [Open Thread]

Messages from Pastor Peter J. Peters! Proclaiming the true biblical teachings of Christ!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXoPt6WbilCGkTkVYonQzsQ/videos

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99ae40 No.856419

File: df3eb6bdb3a6b4b⋯.png (1.46 MB,1861x955,1861:955,pjp.png)

>>856014

https://worldtruthvideos.org/watch/pastor-peters-white-boy-there-039-s-something-you-need-to-know_8j6GNKMt1G15zt7.html

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0d65ea No.856405 [Open Thread]

Do you remember christians? when TV news or facebook,twitter,youtube blame christians deleted videos or accounts or religious people with conspiracy etc about covid restriction and passport ID vaccine mandatory in december 2020?? when covid started TV NEWS ATTACK christians with conspiracy about passport ID and vaccines

Right now 2021 EU countriesforce vaccines and passport id to workers etc to be mandatory In France, Italy, Australia ,also America New York because of Delta Variant this is the Beginning no more freedom MARTIAL LAW WAS STARTED no more conspiracy it was true

From tv news links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui9jDXnWF5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_F7UvmZLxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsB5yymbKXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui9jDXnWF5U

People need to wake up because the evil want us slave and sleep and dead they push propaganda on tv news they dont like God and Jesus Christ and Holy Bible we are in Spiritual war they dont like christians or the word of God

The path for freedom peace and true light and love faith is through God and Jesus Christ for salvation

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31fcea No.856406

i found this videos it seems that youtube try to hides the videos from recomendation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0OTsmk0Iss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJQvwhHBEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv50vz3ouXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufWL1W-KFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2OzK42BBDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOaHPirD6EM

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31fcea No.856408

is green pass passport ID and vaccines Mark of beast??!! sometimes i ask myself in those times

i think people need to wake up and study the Holy Bible KJV

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31fcea No.856409

i think people need to wake up and study the Holy Bible KJV with Gematria calculator

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31fcea No.856410

i think people need to wake up and study the Holy Bible KJV with Gematria calculator

https://www.gematrix.org/

sorry for double post

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3af71c No.856402 [Open Thread]

Can you enlighten me on occult/fringe organizations inside Roman Catholic Church?

Speaking of, if hypothetically Vatican got their hands on ancient magic technologies/devices/rituals and then wiped off all the competition during Dark Ages, which branch would employ it? Jesuits?

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166233 No.856404

>>856402

I'm not even a Catholic, but I would tell you that I know firsthand that some Mexican communities have twisted the Church's symbols to their own end. Some of may look Catholic on a superficial level, but some are practicing Santeria. Not Christianity. Same goes with some Black churches in the American South, who kept hidden Hoodoo beliefs they carried over from Africa even later on in church circles (Hoodoo.. not Voodoo. People sometimes get these confused). You could say this for many other cultures too. Some Western Europeans kept cultic ideas from Nordic or Celt culture too.

This is why I've never been impressed by "Christendom" or care a thing about it's downfall. There are great things, no doubt, but some of it was not true mission work.. but conducted by force and coercion or merely the conversion of a King, who then required all of his subjects to follow him. All this accomplished was a paganism that hid in the underground, sometimes using Christian symbols to avoid authorities. Conversion wasn't always a sincere, widespread conversion such as you saw in Greece and Mesopotamia. Those Greek churches planted by the Apostles didn't like the old ways - and distanced themselves from old Greek ways of thinking. Gnostics, for example, were an old trapping from Pythagorean and Mithraic mystery cults. But the early Church combatted them. They didn't support them. The early church also pronounced anathemas on Platonism in the seventh council. This is Christianity done from the heart, and it didn't happen everywhere.

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f7edcd No.856396 [Open Thread]

Hey, new to this board but have been Christian all my life. I was wondering if any of you have cool Christian artifacts or other interesting things you look at that validates the faith?

I bought a set of 5 Widow's Mites (pic related) on eBay for like $11 about a year ago. Sweet, right? They were nice to have, I put 4 in a small safe and kept one in my wallet. One day when I was at work I lost my wallet, and went home thinking it was gone forever. I was bummed out, because it was one of my favorite things I owned. I also had about 60 bucks in the wallet. As my dad and I were looking through the washing machine trying to find it (just incase I accidentally forgot it at home somewhere all along), my aunt knocks on the door. It turns out she found the wallet in the parking lot I must have dropped it in. The money was all gone, but the Widow's Mite was still there, though the plastic case had shattered (and before anyone accuses her of stealing the money, she actually gave me $60 of her own because she felt bad). Right after that happens, my dad gets a call from the hospital that my mom's insanely rare type of cancer entered remission. That was probably the happiest night of my life, and I still have the shattered case Widow's Mite.

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4a91f1 No.853568 [Open Thread]

I have a kinda weird sexual taste I guess you could say. I like girls with fat tummys and would like to know if when I am eventually married if indulging in this would be sinful and wrong.

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b89b0f No.855985

File: 61a6d2556fed602⋯.jpeg (68.5 KB,700x300,7:3,DDDEB53E_B839_4E0B_BB63_7….jpeg)

>>853568

Fleshlyness is a sin but in marriage as long as the man and the woman love each other then it’s a sin of worldliness that God allows as long as there is no death or uncleanliness. A fetish is basically asking for only a specific type of sexual encounter and worshiping it. So the thing about this is it is a bit weird and I doubt a girl would want to do that with you, “like yeah, I’ll stay fat with you.” That’s kind of gross, and stupid. Conclusion: the sin here is that it is a sin of uncleanliness of the woman[s body, and it would be a sin to openly admit this to everyone in church. “Hey everybody I have a fat wife because I have a fat sex fetish.” Although it isn’t a sin to have sex with your wife, it is a sin to spill out your sex life to everyone else. The devil likes to play with the edges of the boundaries of people’s tolerances, with jokes.

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26770f No.856008

I think (and I'm not an expert or anything) that sexual fetishes can be harmful but not all of them are. Liking girls with small jelly bellies is probably not too harmful but having a sexual fetish for feeding your wife all manner of unhealthy food until she weights 500 pounds is literally deriving sexual pleasure from destroying her health and therefore very harmful.

In my personal estimation if

1. it is not destructive to anybody's health

2. it is between one (1) man and one (1) woman within wedlock and with consent on both sides

3. it is for the purpose of concaving a child

Then it's okay.

For example: Wanting to be on top is fine. Wanting to literally beat up and rape your wife is bad, even if she would enjoy it too.

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26770f No.856010

On a side note. Please pray to God to cure me of my own bizarre sexual fetish.

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85259b No.856019

>>853568

That particular fetish doesn't seem sinful unless it requires encouraging your wife to be a glutton or otherwise be unhealthy. Being moderately overweight is not actually that unhealthy. Being outright obese is something different.

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1f0f82 No.856384

>>853568

>Out for dinner at buffet with wife

>She eats six bowls of mac n' cheese to start

>Follows up with plate after plate of pulled pork and beef ribs

>"You ain't seen nothing yet, anon"

>Undoes the button of her jeans

>Tells me to order whatever I want for her dessert

>A whole chocolate and caramel cheesecake

>Little moans punctuate the mouthfuls

>Take her home, I'm hard as a rock.

>"I think I deserve a sweet, anon. I'm still starving"

>Warm 4L tub of ice cream in the microwave for her

>She drinks it all

>"Still hungry"

>Nearly finishes a second tub

I had to carry her belly to help her to the bed

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fa2beb No.856382 [Open Thread]

He's right, you know. This includes almost all related scholarly degrees in the realm of religion. The only thing that isn't useless is if you're getting some degree to actually serve the Church. To actually "minister" (the real definition of that word): to be of service somehow. Something Dawkins will never understand. But otherwise, I agree with him. And it goes for both skeptical (higher-critical) scholars or faithful ones who are just eggheads who don't know how to serve or speak to anyone. It's all useless.

Maybe the skeptics are the most useless though. I can't fathom how they churn out giant tomes, write a thousand research papers, and rise up the ranks of the "guild" all based on a subject that they themselves don't care about, let alone want to serve anyone with. What's even going on in their heads? They're neither respected by the Church or even other scholars in scientific fields like Dawkins. Just completely useless.

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a6c069 No.856180 [Open Thread]

what do you think about books like the book of enoch, jubilees, the 152-155 psalsms and so on and so forth?

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e1c8b8 No.856346

>>856341

>That said, Enoch was found. Multiple copies have been found at Qumran at caves 4, 7, and 11.

If you trust that. I personally happen to place more trust in God than anything, and for me, my faith is not based on what somebody claims to have found in modern Israel. And I know many others who are the same on this.

>This predates Christianity.

Does it predate Genesis 3:15? Seems unlikely.

>More interestingly, it was found in Aramaic fragments,

So were they copies or fragments, anon? You said multiple copies at first, but many of these findings actually seem to be just fragments of something that may have later influenced what we have today. I'm not saying not to be interested in scientific inquiry, but I also do not need to base my faith on the idea that God somehow allowed his word to be lost until 1947 or whenever they found this stuff.

There also happens to be an excellent scroll of the book of Isaiah that is very close to the source text we use in our received Bible translations today (specifically, the "Bomberg 1525 text" of the Hebrew and Old Syriac Old Testament, as typeset by Daniel Bomberg at Venice). So while these are interesting, they do not bear any weight on the truth, God's word, which the church believes continually. These findings do not make me any more certain than I already was that what God said is true or about the content of what God said.

>And it was old enough to have already been preserved among the Qumran community multiple times.

What's interesting about Qumran to me is the evidence among the manuscripts there, that whoever was behind the creation of these works, or at least some of them, seems to have been actively contributing to the authorship of an altered text of some parts of the Old Testament. We see this by comparison of some of the different partially-written manuscripts found there that clearly deviate from the originals that we know about, (which they also seem to have had). In Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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60be76 No.856349

>>856346

>If you trust that. I personally happen to place more trust in God than anything, and for me, my faith is not based on what somebody claims to have found in modern Israel. And I know many others who are the same on this.

If you're just going to treat the Dead Sea Scrolls as a conspiracy, then why even talk to me.. or anyone… about this at all? You acted fairly normal in your first post, but now you're starting off with an extreme stance about the field of archaeology that just kills conversation. Why…? I was hoping I had a brother to talk to, and even disagree with at times (I really don't mind that. I like a healthy debate), but this level of paranoia doesn't go anywhere. We can't even have a decent conversation at step 1. It's simply dead on arrival. And to top it off, you don't even state a clear case why others also should distrust things to the extent that you do. You just want others to embrace this kind of claim arbitrarily. You state that God is the reason that you have this view by saying that you only trust God. But God never told you or me one way or another about the Dead Sea Scrolls. I wish he did, but to say you have special revelation here isn't very convincing.

>>856346

>So were they copies or fragments, anon? You said multiple copies at first, but many of these findings actually seem to be just fragments of something that may have later influenced what we have today.

There are fragments, and one cave had a more complete scroll. I already had to slim my post because of word count. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. I apologize for not being more clear.

Anyways, I guess we're done. Good day.

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2bfbae No.856351

>apocrypha

I consider the KJV Bible with the Deuterocanonical books to be the ideal bible. These books were read by the Church Fathers, included in even protestant bibles until the 19th century, and even today the Book of Common Prayer in the Anglican Communion has readings from these books.

Ordinariate Catholics recently put out an edition of the KJV with the Protocannon and Deuterocanon in Catholic Order.

>Enoch, Jubelees, ect.

Good to study to get a grasp on what the early church believed and the theology many converts from judaism took with them, but aren't good sources for doctrine (for instance, does Enoch becoming Metatron in 3 Enoch mean that we should believe our spirits will become angels when we die/are translated). It's also noteworthy, and indeed is a point that could be used against the Deuterocanon, that before Luther, Trent and Jerusalem, the books found in bibles could very wildly, especially in the East where the psalms you mentioned and even the Psalms of Solomon could be found appended. The Ethiopian Miaphysite's canon of 100+ books in some instances are a modern day hold over from that.

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e1c8b8 No.856353

>>856349

>If you're just going to treat the Dead Sea Scrolls as a conspiracy, then why even talk to me.. or anyone… about this at all?

Very good question. I am only interested in whether or not something is true, not about "conspiracy" or whatever. I have no idea what that's referring to. What I am and what we should actually be interested in is whether or not something is true.

I don't want to go off on a tangent here any more than is necessary to develop the conversation, but people who claim a lot of false things these days seem to think that, just by calling their opponents "conspiracy," it serves as an effective way to voice disagreement, while avoiding any obligation at all of having to prove a claim. It is a way for people to object to something they are confronted with, but are not able to actually say is wrong. So let's not talk about "conspiracy" anymore. That's just not constructive. Let us simply talk about whether the things that were said are accurate or not.

I think everything I said was accurate.

I'd like to see if you had anything of substance to respond with, but maybe you do not. That is perfectly okay with me. I think the above point in my other post makes sense in context to the average reader.

>We can't even have a decent conversation at step 1. It's simply dead on arrival.

If you say so. I raised some pretty salient points about the Qumran discoveries.

>And to top it off, you don't even state a clear case why others also should distrust things to the extent that you do.

Again, if you say it's unclear maybe I did a bad job of contextualizing what I said to you specifically. If so, my bad. Most of my post is above in case anyone wants to read it and see what I had to say about the content of the discoveries.

>I wish he did, but to say you have special revelation here isn't very convincing.

To the extent that we have God's word in the BiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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eaf9d2 No.856356

If they are books like gospel of judas/barnabas

than they are completely false and forged centuries later especially by butthurt mudslimes or other people and are non canon for a reason.

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5f8b0c No.856228 [Open Thread]

i never readed the buda nor finished reading the bible, is this posible? or the dude was just talking s— to make people become budists?

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855ee7 No.856233

>>856230

>says the non-priest

Karma has to be burned through to attain liberation.

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3e4c28 No.856255

>>856228

From what I've read about buddhism he's half-right. Buddhism doesn't care about what you worship, but it is a system o belief that is contrary to all Abrahamic religions and it'll make you a serious heretic or an apostate

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ea0d48 No.856266

Nah, true Buddhism still has wacky supernatural nonsense like all other religions. They make offerings at home altars and have stories of gurus living on 10 grains of rice for years. You can't serve God and mammon; you can't serve God and Buddha.

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1e37c4 No.856320

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>>856228

This claim is ridiculous, and a part of the syncratic spirit of the age. Buddhism is a religion, and with the exception of larping Californian buddhists who pretend it's a philosophy without dogma and a few deceitful recruiters, anyone will tell you this. Buddhism has dogma, theology, sects, and heresies, the foundation of Buddhist teaching of which being the four noble truths, which are incompatible with Christianity.

My patron saint was an evangelist in Japan, and an attempted on his life was made by a Buddhist samurai. St Nicholas asked the samurai if he knew what he was preaching, and the samurai did not, so Nicholas asked him to hear the Gospel, and if after doing so still wanted to kill Nicholas, he would not resist. The samurai became the first Japanese Orthodox priest, Fr Paul Sawabe. Pic related.

St Nicholas devoted his life to bringing to Gospel to the Japanese, who at the time persecuted Christians and forbade conversion. He studied Japanese language and native religion, shintoism and zen buddhism, and although he referred to the buddhist pagans as noble, he also explicitly said "Those who claim that Buddhism and Christianity are compatible understand neither"

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855ee7 No.856354

>>856320

It didn't stop theologians like Aquinas from incorporating pre-Christian philosophy into their understanding so other noble philosophies should also be given similar consideration to find what contributions they can make.

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