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751a23 No.857325 [Open thread]

Reinaldo's wife is in a vegetative state, bringing him to decide to euthanize her to end her suffering. However, as if by a miracle, she wakes up.

Reinaldo did not know it, but he was being filmed at the time. Samuel, a failed pastor, offers Reinaldo — now drowning in medical debt — money to be a preacher, sending the atheist Reinaldo down a strange and unlikely path to become a religious leader.

https://nowreelworld.blogspot.com/2023/02/download-damned-saint-series.html

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28405c No.857324 [Open thread]

The Punishment of My People

"Tell My people I Am going to destroy them, for they have refused to obey Me. I have given My country into the hands of a wicked administration so that My people may be destroyed through wicked edicts. Already they are destroying the oil industry and through that you will not have the ability to go anywhere to save yourselves. They will hunt you down like wild rabbits and incarcerate you in prison camps because you have refused to obey Me, the Living God. I have told you to go into all the world to preach the Gospel, but so far you have refused. So I will round you up like caged rabbits where they will execute you until I have caused you to be eliminated from the land. The Living God has spoken."

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234f57 No.857313 [Open thread]

There's a lot of bulls— and heresy floating around to a proportion so epic that I am committing my life to keeping it pure and spreading the gospel in it's purest. I'm going to line out everything here.

First off, the Gospel is the good news, but first you have to understand and know the bad news.

The bad news is we're all sinners, by nature and by choice. We are wicked in heart all of the time, we can do no good.

Because we are sinners, we have to receive our just punishment for our sin in hell. You don't wanna go there friend! Hell is hot and the fire is eternal!

However there is good news, which is that God sent his only begotten son Jesus Christ, God incarnate in the flesh, a man born of a virgin mary, who lived a perfect sinless, righteous life, to die on the cross and pay for our sins. This is the free gift of salvation that you receive upon believing the gospel, that Christ died, was buried, and bodily rose again 3 days later and shed his blood on the mercy seat in heaven to complete the blood sacrifice to pay for our sins.

This is all you have to do to be saved!! You only have to believe the gospel! There is nothing you can do to earn your salvation, and in fact, believing you can earn your salvation will put you right in hell! In order to receive salvation you have to believe the gospel in it's 100% pure form. There are a lot of false gospels that are mostly the gospel, but leave out one or two things or add wrong ideas which makes it a FALSE DAMNING GOSPEL!

The truth is, you don't have to do anything besides believe to be saved because there is nothing else you CAN do that will save you! There is this heresy floating around that you must "turn from your sins" to be saved! This is gross heresy! As if wicked humans even had the ability to do so! We do not have the ability to stop sinning! Even our good deeds are considered sins to god! Everything we do is tainted in sin because of our sinful nature!

Which is why good works or turning from sin anything involving human effort is a FALSE GOSPEL.

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237497 No.857314

Repentance to Life through Christ Jesus is a Gift from God.

It is the effect of His Salvation.

The ability to believe upon Christ Jesus comes through the Spirit of God.

It is also a Gift.

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30687e No.857315

Repentance to Life through Christ Jesus is a Gift from God.

It is the effect of His Salvation.

The ability to believe upon Christ Jesus comes through the Spirit of God.

It is also a Gift.

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234f57 No.857316

>>857315

I've often heard this myself too. Do you have some scriptures that illustrate this point? My only problem with this theory (which I still think could be true) is that it basically means people are chosen to be saved.

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936ace No.857317

Scripture references (KJV):

Repentance to Life through Christ Jesus is a Gift from God.

>>Acts 11:18 "… 'Then God hath also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.'"

>>Focus on verses 15 thru 18.

>>Context: contention with Peter over eating with "the uncircumcised".

It is the effect of His Salvation.

>>2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

The ability to believe upon Christ Jesus comes through the Spirit of God.

>>John 6:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent.'"

>>(Note that it is THE WORK OF GOD.)

>>Context: Jesus, the True Bread from Heaven

It is also a Gift.

>>Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

>>Focus on verses 8 thru 10.

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Your statement, "My only problem with this theory (which I still think could be true) is that it basically means people are chosen to be saved," implies this:

a) those who wish for salvation in Christ Jesus are rejected if they are not "of the chosen".

b) salvation in Christ Jesus is forced upon those who despise it if they are "of the chosen".

Nothing is further from the truth.

The truth of this is that if every man, woman, and child were to say to Christ Jesus, "You choose whether or not I should be saved", not oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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234f57 No.857320

>>857317

Thank you. So anyone who admits they're a sinner to God and believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for their sins and that there is nothing they can do to save themselves except believe this that Jesus Christ and what he did is the only way you can get to heaven.

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0e664f No.857319 [Open thread]

Falun Gong & Similar Practices Are Mind Manipulation, Black Magic, Thus Must Gone

As a master I can confirm and say the Falun Gong (Falun Dafa) and any similar practices/program are the mind manipulation, black magic !

You must say no.

All kind of program that require you sit down at once place and either "read/member words" or "hand moving" are not going to help you become better human beings, but just try to deceiving you and even then later try to "enslave" you.

The sad part is many big organization and entities are supporting this kind of practices like Facebook for example.

Facebook is the evil one and are running by evil beings.

They did absolutely nothing against those black magic / mind manipulation !

The only thing that work to help the body become better is changing your daily lifestyle & diets.

What Chinese Government did and ban Falun Gong is the absolutely right call, do not doubt about it, do not listen to the stupid Western media who have no clue about how human body work.

I am not in favor of the Chinese GOV, other things they did wrong is the social credit system.

I am judging by each separate policy/the content, I am not judging via "title" of either "good" or "bad".

I calling all the military and Government banning Falun Gong and any similar practice/program and delete all the platforms (especially the social media) are promoting it.

It is as worse as child/human trafficking !

Be careful !

Regard,

The Messiah Buddha

Source: https://ascensionjoy.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=48

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661a63 No.857312 [Open thread]

Yes, Jesus is Lord.

He drives sin out of us.

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cfe61c No.857311 [Open thread]

Yes, Jesus is Lord.

He drives sin out from us.

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8a1da1 No.857305 [Open thread]

Jesus Christ is the True and Bright Morning Star that we can "wish upon" in our prayers.

Attached is a petition to God of five wishes.

The screenshot is taken from a devotion that took place during a team meeting in preparation for a "Walk to Emmaus" weekend.

Whomever would be blessed by this, let him or her be blessed in Christ Jesus.

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4f2986 No.857304 [Open thread]

Jesus Christ is the True and Bright Morning Star that we can "wish upon" in our prayers.

Attached is a petition to God of five wishes.

The screenshot is taken from a devotion that took place during a team meeting in preparation for a "Walk to Emmaus" weekend.

Whomever would be blessed by this, let him or her be blessed in Christ Jesus.

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16a643 No.857303 [Open thread]

Jesus Christ is the True and Bright Morning Star that we can "wish upon" in our prayers.

Attached is a petition to God of five wishes.

The screenshot is taken from a devotion that took place during a team meeting in preparation for a "Walk to Emmaus" weekend.

Whomever would be blessed by this, let him or her be blessed in Christ Jesus.

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affab8 No.857302 [Open thread]

PROPHECY: The Punishment Of My Disobedient People

"Tell them that I love them. I've called them for much to do. Why won't they obey Me, My son? I've called them to obey Me, to do My will. Why won't they obey? My heart grows angry over the spirit of disobedience in their lives. They won't repent of it. Many people are going to Hell without their help. Why won't they obey, My son? I've called them to the mission fields, to do My will in foreign countries, to preach My Gospel and to do My will wherever the Spirit leads. Why won't they obey? They love this world, its creature comforts, its materialism. They won't obey because it has their heart. The love of the world will send many to Hell, including My people. What can I do without them? They are crucial to My plan, but still they won't obey. They must be punished, My son. Plagues will arise among My people from the world. Did I not say leave Babylon? But still they prefer it. I will kill many among My people with the next plague. It is ordained by Me, by My Hand. It will arise and kill many of My useless, disobedient people. They must go. They are useless to Me. I ordained it. They will not go, nor provide for others who want to obey Me and go to the mission fields. My wrath is aroused. They are useless, disobedient people. They will not make it to My Heaven, My son. You are one of the few. I will preserve you with plagues all around. You need not wash your hands, My Spirit will keep you safe from all germs of man, and the viruses they create. A thousand will fall at your right hand, but I will keep you safe from it all. Only obey Me. I have much for you to do. Obey Me. Your LORD has spoken. Amen and amen."

https://pastebin.com/YQnzSGym

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d5b78f No.857300 [Open thread]

A prayer today can change the whole world. I was working with heavenly figures to bring miracles to the planet. The efforts were so successful, there was a realistic potential for me to realize higher dimensional time while in human body. Earth was being prepared for something magnificent.

However, I was the target of a diabolical scheme to use secret mind control on me. Now I am defending my life, and humanity as a whole, from the worst demons around – worse than even Lucifer.

A review of my living experience, of the year, will change the whole world. Only beings of higher realms can do such a viewing.

In cases of foul-play from higher dimensions, especially as bad as it is, one cannot judge by appearance of how things look, it's important to view the exact living experience of the human being. There's so much foul-play going on, the only way to get the true story is this viewing of my living experience.

The foul-play from these other realms is so horrendous, they're threatening WAR if even a simple proper year review takes place.

These demons are using extreme foul play, including mind control, to prevent the viewing. It will look like the viewing gets turned down, because of the mind control being used, but the viewing needs to happen anyway, regardless of who opposes it.

I am an innocent person. There was no deal with these beings, no agreements, nothing. It's a cover story they're using, they frame their victims to make it appear consensual. Mind control. It's vital for the planet this viewing happens. Let's get this review done TODAY!!!

Pray the Heavenly Father sends Yahweh, the heavenly figure who was with me during my veneration in March or February, to do this review of my year. The review has to be done with FORCE due to the immensity and depth of foul play occurring.

When this review is successful, it will change the WORLD.

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efccc1 No.857301

I think you need Jesus

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46089c No.857174 [Open thread]

watch this christian rapists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkPmvEVM40A

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7be066 No.857296

I think he has slipped up and should've said "islam" and "muslims".

Instead of "Christians" and some denominations.

This guy talking at 1 minute about how "baptism is all about a symbolic ritual murder of the non jewish, of the gentile, to murder the gentile child, this was about to replace the "pagan" soul".

So, just to let you know, baptism is a ritual where you are being buried with Jesus Christ, when being submerged, and subsequently rising out of death, in Jesus Christ.

So death is a ritual symbol of baptism, murder however it is not. The death of the old man, the sinful man, the one who is dead.

Secondly, baptism is extracted from a cleansing ritual, not a murder ritual of the non-jew, i would not deny that there are insane people who have turned it into a murder ritual, for this makes sense looking at the state of this sin ridden world. We can read about other insane things the Israelites did when they left God and worshipped other false gods.

Sacrificing babies is one of them, the regular understanding would be they did this through the fire of molech.

I have no knowledge on people using water to "murder" someone.

Baptism existed before the conceptualization of the word "pagan".

So, it could not be about the replacement of the pagan soul.

However we do know as fallen humans we live in a state of death and corruption.

Accepting Jesus Christ as ones Lord and Savior results in the Holy Spirit dwelling within you.

It seems to me, you previously had only a body and a soul then, yet lacked a spirit, if anything does get destroyed however it can only be the spirit of the anti-christ.

And just listening to 2 mins of this guy blabbering and his incessant hatred towards Christianity he emanates, makes me understand why he is clearly unhappy with people loosing the anti-christ spirit, so ofcourse he has to speak out against it.

If he does not repent he will end up in hell and all i know is that people do not like to end up in hPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7be066 No.857297

"I have no knowledge on people using water to "murder" someone. " in the ritualistic way this guy is presenting as an argument.

"people do not like to end up in hell" alone.

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236540 No.857173 [Open thread]

I'm trying to figure out where an intersex or middle-sex person fits in to Christianity. What if my baby was born with "both parts" ? Should I change them? Or try to accept them as they are? What does the bible say?

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883bf6 No.857292

A human being born intersex is rare, even if this would happen there will be appropriate measures taken that do not diminish the child his or her life.

The likelihood this child will eventually be unable to have his or her own children is tough enough to deal with.

In the rest of the cases, you are not the victim here, please be careful with treating the child "different" because they are different.

They are still human beings.

Matthew 19:12

Isaiah 56:3-5

(Jesus is our Sabbath)

John 3:16-17

If anyone ever pulls up Deuteronomy 23:1 to you, you can tell them to bugger off, Jesus entered the Holy assembly of the Lord, and if we are in Jesus Christ, then we are also in the Father.

Jesus covers us, so also those who are intersex.

We shall all receive new bodies without corruption, unaffected by sin, in our resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:42-45

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883bf6 No.857293

The previous arguments were made with the expectation that those subjects are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

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03b4f1 No.857257 [Open thread]

I'm seeking help regarding the relationship with my boyfriend. I love him greatly and while the relationship is wonderful, there is one thing that is a constant negative: how messy and forgetful he is.

The house is so messy and I can't keep up that I've cried and have had panic attacks over it. I only work part time and I still can't keep up. I work odd hours and it's been physically hard for me and I'm groggy and tired a lot. I don't pay rent, but I do pay for all groceries and will pay for any other items no questions asked, or will pick him up things just because. He has stated multiple times that he doesn't want me to pay rent. I feel very ungrateful that I can't keep the house in any semblance of order and it gives me great anxiety to have so much clutter. With that, I close off and the clutter and untidiness just gets worse and I end up crying.

I've no idea what to do. I hate asking him for help or even asking him to clean up after himself since I'm not paying rent, but it's too overwhelming. I have to be constantly cleaning and I'm so burned out and don't have any down time. I take a break and it piles up so much that I just can't handle it and close off. I actually enjoy cleaning, but it's such a constant steam of mess that I can't keep up. He would move mountains for me but he's utterly hopeless about his messiness.

What should I do?

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69fb86 No.857287

Dear writer of the post.

First of, thanks for posting your question here.

I will dissect your post;

1. Relationship problem, a messy house.

2. Relationship problem, a forgetful boyfriend.

3. Personal observation, you are unable to keep up with what you expect should be happening.

4. You don't pay rent but you do pay groceries and others odds and ends.

5. The problem of not being able to keep the house in order, is giving you anxiety, which turns in a negative spiral.

6. You do not want to ask him for help.

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69fb86 No.857288

Your question is; "What should i do?"

I am missing a few bits and pieces, i can only comment on the information you have given, my apologies if i come across a bit harsh, i will clearly present it when i am assuming things.

4. In regards to money.

You are together in a relationship, as you write your post on this group i assume you want to engage it from a Christian perspective.

As such; Money can not be used as an excuse here. You are together, scripturally speaking you have both become "one flesh", i assume you have "song of solomon" moments together, as such it is not your money, it is both yours, and it is not his money, it is both yours.

Keep in mind, i do believe the man should be the head of the household, in regards to submission to decisions and disputes unless they are resulting in real abuse.

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69fb86 No.857289

3 and 5

I am not sure in what kind of household you are living, i am currently living on my own, and i make a mess, (dishes and clothes) however i am able to clean this mess in less then a few hours if i really want to.

You present us with the following, how your part time job is turning you into a mess mentally and physically due to the odd hours you have to work.

I assume you can not change your job and work more stable hours, if you can you would've probably already tried.

First off, lower you expectations maybe?

I do not know how much of a mess is a mess in your house, someone with OCD could not deal with cloths piling up, whilst someone else wouldn't feel there is anything wrong even though it looks like a bomb has exploded in the house.

For now, work on lowering expectations, this is likely going to help you in the right way, you mention that you like cleaning, so do not destroy this by overburdening yourself.

However, to overburden oneself is also relative.

You claim to not have any downtime, maybe you could do some ironing while watching a bible course or listening to a bible podcast, combining both into downtime?

Talk with your boyfriend.

Ask him about what he thinks of the state of yours both home, and that you would like to create a more tidy space.

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69fb86 No.857290

Buy boxes and label them.

Dirty clothes, put them in these boxes, dirty kitchenware, place it in this box/dishrack, clean socks and underwear, place them in those boxes, videogame cardridges, dvds, or w/e place those in those boxes.

How many clothes do either of you wear?

I change my underwear and t-shirts daily, however sweaters and jeans, definitely not so much, you can both work on folding up used however still clean clothes and putting them in their respective places.

Turn dishwashing into a family event, one washes, the other dries.

Wipe down the shower/bath after you finished, leave some toilet paper on the bottom of your toilet before you do nr. 2, dust the shelves every other week instead of every day, turn other house chores into moment of meditation on God's word, or, again, whilst listening to something that is good for your spiritual health.

6.

This is not fair to him and yourself, you don't have to "ask him", however you can tell him how you really feel without getting angry if possible, which i don't assume you will, however because you kept this in for so long, the moment you do open up, he could be confused and even hate himself for not noticing, communication is key, please do not let emotions rule these moments.

This is not about money, this is about perception, expectations and capabilities. Maybe write down some pointers before you begin so you can hold on to this as a net.

If you want to bring order in the home, you have to work together to do these things together, a lot of things can be solved before they become a problem.

Again, boxes and labels will probably help you, don't go overboard on these though.

Also, positive reinforcement, if you talked about something and your boyfriend forgets, ask him nicely and when he does it, give him a quick kiss or w/e for it.

If he does something on his own, let him know without being corny, that you appreciate it, i.e. a quick peck on the cheek or a cuddle.

You both need to grow to a more stable household, getting angry after you both have spoken about it Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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69fb86 No.857291

1 and 2

1 could be solved, 2, i do not know how or why he is forgetful, i also do not know how forgetful he is, post its will help here, on the fridge, on the computer screen, keyboard, entrance, and when you make him a lunchbox, put on in there to tell him how much you love him.

Also, there is this thing called "google effect", look for it on the web and step away from the search engines from now on but train yourself to remember.

I would like to repeat,

Please do not see the mess in your house as the cause of your state of mind, your expectations are, these expectations could be because of how you were raised, maybe you have some kind of OCD, or maybe because it is truly a trashdump (i still do not understand how people are capable of creating that much of a mess though), the messy house is not the reason why you "close off and end up crying", your expectations and desires are.

It does not mean those expectations and desires are unreasonable, ofcourse not, they could very well be very reasonable, to have a clean house helps against getting infections, diseases and parasites, however just a messy house will not result in these things.

If you can (drastically?) lower the expectations maybe you can start enjoying the cleaning again and combine them with things that could help your spiritual health through listening.

And again, talk with your boyfriend, not to tell him "to clean up after himself", because he never learned in both yours household to do this, so why are you dumping this on him now? Just tell him your state of mind and physique and that you would like to have a change of pace in regards to the household for your personal sanity, you love him very much, however you also have a limited amount of energy to spend so you would like to find suitable solutions, to make a home worthy of both of yours.

If this guy moves mountains for you, he will probably gladly help you out buying boxes and labels, and even if he forgets some things you clearly agreed upon later on, do not get angry, the devil is tempting you to destroy something nice that is building.

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c4f7d2 No.850398 [Open thread]

>in b4 "nice blog post"

You have to take the account of Genesis literal because much of the religion is based off it, and makes no sense if it was just a metaphor/parable. You have to do extreme mental gymnastics while reading the rest of the Bible if you deny the beginning of Genesis to be a literal story. Here I will debunk many of the arguments people use to discredit Genesis.

>Adam and Eve, and the other characters in the beginning of Genesis weren't real people, it's more of a parable.

1. Original sin came into the world because of what Adam did "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.(1 Cor 15:21-22)" "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.(Rom 5:12-21)". That was a long long passage to quote, buPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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e3ba55 No.856111

>>856017

Verse 14 is about physical light, as modern people understand the word "light". The creation of the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. Verse 1 is about establishing Time. Or more to the point, it's about Order. God destroying the Chaos (the Deep) and first establishing a sense of Order. It's not a story about any Big Bang. It's more about subverting a well known story in Mesopotamia of Tiamat (the chaos dragon of the seas), who warred with the god Marduk, who split her in two and divided heaven from earth from the pieces of her body (see the parallels yet?). Except in Genesis' case, it's subverting this story. It has only one God, who doesn't need to go to war with anyone, and has no challenger. Chaos is impersonal, and destroys it simply by speaking (while later on in Genesis, any "sea monsters" are just designated as another of his lowly creations. Not some primordial rival). This would have been audacious, and maybe appealing, to outsiders to hear of only ONE God, who was all powerful and could destroy chaos in a mere instant. That's the bigger truth the writer is getting at with Genesis 1:1. Completely trashing Tiamat and Marduk in one little verse. Nothing about science.

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5fdf87 No.856113

>>856111

In Biblical cosmology, the order of events would be that Genesis 1:1-3 literally happens, and as a result of Lucifer's rebellion, he later causes the fall in chapter 3 of Genesis. Then, in the era of the Sumerians of Uruk, the Adversary creates the myth of Tiamat and Marduk among many others to subvert the truth by adding a few details here and there that are untrue. Finally, we have God preserving the true account of what happened throughout all of this through His Word, through ultimately the framework of what would end up being our book of Genesis.

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e3ba55 No.856114

>>856113

That's fair. You could look at it that way too. Either way, the true God gets all the glory, and it annoyed polytheists. And that's it main target. It's not about our modern notions of science, but a dismissal of polytheism known in the world.

I would say further that the whole chapter is subversive. Temple dedications (even outside Israel) lasted for seven days, where on the last day, the "god" rests in the temple. Solomon himself does this too when he builds the first Temple, as indicated in seven day dedication in Chronicles. In Genesis, it's a song of dedication for the true temple in heaven.

Other elements would have annoyed polytheists too. God creates plants and herbs before he ever creates the Sun. Pagans (and even people today) were enamored with the power of the Sun and of Fertility, and had gods dedicated to those domains. But here in Genesis, God doesn't need any of it. Plants grow because of his Word. There's no sun at all. The Sun is an after thought merely to automate what his word already began.

The creation of Man at the end is the most subversive to the Sumerian/Babylonian worldview. In their scheme, the gods created the garden for themselves, and for man to be a slave who worked for the gods. But in Genesis, the garden is created for Man and out of love. Not out of slavery.

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0e279e No.857261

They got us as kids man! They got us as kids, not the church, but the wolves! They pulled the fraud out in the open, since they've put the screen in front of our eyes! https://odysee.com/SpeakingTheTruthinalltheRealm:8

It's already banned by Public Broadcasting Service!

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3e2cb7 No.857286

"In the beginning"

Time.

"God created the heavens"

space

"and the earth."

matter.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

Light is light, not time, in order for light to travel, it needs time, as photons travel at a fixed speed through space.

I would like to point you to the following;

Video game development.

In a history long ago i made maps for UT2k4, an online shooter.

Every time i would load a new file, clean and empty, i would start with a blank space. Within this space i could create all kinds of objects.

However if i would load the map for testing, everything would be pitch black, if i forgot something very specific.

Why?

Because i did not add any "sources" of light to be generated within the map once it is loaded.

This is probably not purely aligning with the genesis 1:1-3 passages, however i do not think it is far from it either.

The light that God created in this context i am presenting was merely not fixed to celestial objects.

It does not really make sense to create plants on day 3 without light to nourish them.

In other words, i find it more reasonable that light was confined to terrestrial objects on day 4 (the celestial clock made for signs and seasons), then that light "actually means time", if there are very distinct words to be used if you want to describe either.

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