/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>856541

it was a tool used by the imperialist bourgeoisie but just that, only a tool.

>>856545

Exactly. Trying to make it some bigger atmosphere of the times is just retarded. There were even many within that imperialist structure who were vehemently against it, like William Wilburforce, who eventually succeeded in getting slavery banned from the British Empire. And EVERY - I mean every single abolitionist in America was a Christian. And before that, the founders of some preaching movements, like John Wesley, were against slavery (although his sometime rival John Whitefield was not. Nor was Jonathan Edwards before him. Another reason to ignore Calvinists.. including Calvin himself who was a tyrant in his own day).

>>856541

>whites have used Christianity as a tool of colonial rule.

The "slave bible" was an altered version, by removing passages that instill liberation of slaves and leaving passages that instilled obedience. If you look at the comments of video related you will still see black people and others express distrust of Christianity/religion as a whole regardless of the original meaning of the liberation in the bible. Many woke blacks have gone to Egyptian paganism to "rebel" against dead "white" Christianity.

BLM is colonial rule, not a black movement at all. All of it is ideological fabrication for the purpose of creating societal strife.

Colonial rule was a good thing.

Cry more.

>>856588

It was only a "good thing" for rich whites, it killed off around 90% of certain other race's population (see video for exact numbers), destroying their economy and leaving them in permanent crippling poverty.

In the 1500s Evidence from China, Japan and other parts of Asian suggest that people in these regions also lived longer, healthier lives than Europeans did.Things were better for non-whites before Colonialism.

>>856620

The "90%" comes form Latin America when Christopher Columbus's arrival in 1492 and the early 1600s Latin America's indigenous population shrunk by an actual 95%.

>>856623

>negatively effected

Bringing in Christianity is the biggest grace a territory can receive. Poor aztecs couldnt keep their 50k human sacrifices a year anymore with rivers of blood flowing down the temples, too bad, God willed it.

As the OT says - the land spits out the wicked.

And as we can see now, the atheistic, child sacrificing through abortion, sodomite, babylonian western world is the one being spit out.

Nothing to do with petty racial classifications, 99,999% of people are descendants of peasants and never had a say nor benefited from anything. There is only spiritual warfare.

That the jews do silly stuff is inevitable because their identity is the rejection of Christ. You cant reject Truth and be a good influence on nations. The same goes for the current babylonian Christ denying West.

>>856631

Yes negatively effected, why do you scoff? Do you not see the economic results that colonialism has had on the global south of today? If Europe's economy could be slowed for centuries for poor health standards and a loss of 30% of it's population imagine what 90% could do.

>God willed it.

>As the OT says - the land spits out the wicked.

Wrong, God didn't command it that way. They did not act in love for their neighbor, totalitarian/authoritarian Christianity is not biblical. There are better ways to covert someone without killing off most of their population.

>>856541

Because most people in blm are not black or Christian. BLM dominated by half black jews.

>>856635

You keep confusing a smallpox outbreak with deliberate killing. It's not really that convincing. Nobody intended for that to happen.

You just come across as a disingenuous liar, constantly blaming people today for the spread of a disease hundreds of years ago.

Nobody here is pro-slave. That was the Talmudic modern-day practice of Judaism. The ending of slavery and freeing slaves is a Christian idea taken from the Bible and the OP image is based on that. Nowadays practicers of Judaism are lying and twisting the facts just to shift the blame away from them.

>>856644

https://web.archive.org/web/20190620020336/https://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-native-american-slavery-20160505-snap-story.html

>Reséndez doesn't spare the reader the shock of seeing a whole system of settlement, colonialism and capitalism that was built around the institution of the enslavement of Indians. And he includes some shocking instances of depravity and cruelty perpetrated in the New World in the name of crown and Christ.

>Even if Indians did contract diseases against which they had no immunity (like Europeans did during the Plague) they would have (like the Europeans during the plague) rebounded within a few decades. The major difference between Indian and European populations was the fact that Indians were enslaved to work on gold mines and silver mines in alarming numbers beginning on Columbus' second voyage whereas Europeans were not.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Z2gpCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA17#v=snippet&q=major%20killer&f=false

>among these human factors, slavery was the major killer" of Hispaniola's population, and that "between 1492 and 1550, a nexus of slavery, overwork and famine killed more natives in the Caribbean than smallpox, influenza or malaria.

https://www.thoughtco.com/spains-american-colonies-encomienda-system-2136545

>The owners of the encomiendas were not supposed to ever visit the encomienda lands: this was supposed to cut down on abuses. The Indigenous people instead brought the tribute to wherever the owner happened to be, generally in the larger cities. The Indigenous people were often forced to walk for days with heavy loads to be delivered to their encomendero. The lands were run by cruel overseers and Native chieftains who often demanded extra tribute themselves, making the lives of the Indigenous people even more miserable. Priests were supposed to live on the encomienda lands, instructing the Indigenous people in Catholicism, and often these men became defenders of the people they taught, but just as often they committed abuses of their own, living with Native women or demanding tribute of their own.

https://books.google.com/books?id=RzFsODcGjfcC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA139#v=onepage&q=had%20driven%20many%20millions%20of%20native%20peoples%20in%20Central%20and%20South%20America%20to%20early%20and%20agonizing%20deaths.&f=false

>(the encomienda) had driven many millions of native peoples in Central and South America to early and agonizing deaths.

>You just come across as a disingenuous liar,

What am i lying about?

>constantly blaming people today for the spread of a disease hundreds of years ago.

It's kind of difficult because my ID changes, but i only blame the rich, not white people. Also do you honestly think these actions didn't have rippling effect on today?

>Nobody here is pro-slave.

There are like 1 anon saying that colonial rule was good, another agreeing with him, and one saying the aztec deserved it because they were unchristian, at least read the thread before posting.

>That was the Talmudic modern-day practice of Judaism. The ending of slavery and freeing slaves is a Christian idea taken from the Bible and the OP image is based on that.

Maybe so but the Spanish colonization (genocide from slavery) of the Americas was done under the guise of Christ, not bilbical. Also they weren't Jews, (there are some articles saying Christopher Columbus was a jew, but they're not reliable), it's not just Jews who are the elite.

>>856646

>What am i lying about?

Your idea that every place where there was a colony, 90% of people were killed off. In reality, that's about the fact that smallpox and possible some other diseases had a devastating impact on the natives of America specifically in one period of time. The disease did the majority of damage in places where colonists never visited, based on the transmission of the disease from person to person. It is bizarre to accuse the colonists of doing all of that intentionally, and to also accuse people today of being the same.

So, you were talking like only Europeans ever had colonies, and that in every colony that ever existed there was a 90% rate of death. And furthermore, you claimed that all of this was the fault of the European Christians who did this intentionally, but somehow nobody realized this until now (all of the books you cited are from 2016 or later, except one from 1993). And this is supposedly why you argue people should join BLM. But what if these books are just the result of communists, such as those behind BLM, paying to have books written to misrepresent facts? If these books truly tell the real story of history, why is it that nobody realized these things, which were so obvious, until the last few years, in 2016 and 2019?

For instance, there is something called the "1619 project," which was founded by someone who has a hatred for Christians and who is part of Marxist organizations. This "project" was started up just in the last few years. It seeks to rewrite history to dehumanize Christians and all non-marxist civilization, including by making up facts that have no evidence and accusing people of things that never happened. These books you cite could very well be similar projects to that.

>Also do you honestly think these actions didn't have rippling effect on today?

That's not the point. You were saying it was all the fault of Christians simply for believing the Bible and that people should "go on a rampage" against us. I guess that means going into churches and hurting people or something like that.

>There are like 1 anon saying that colonial rule was good,

But that's not the same as being pro-slave though. There were plenty of colonists who were against it. Roger Williams, for instance, wrote this in 1643:

"Boast not proud English, of thy birth & blood;

Thy brother Indian is by birth as Good. Of one blood God made Him, and Thee and All,

As wise, as fair, as strong, as personal."

This is from the man that founded the capital city of Rhode Island, which is one of the fifty states in the U.S. Page located here: https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_wOfpAPRxlVYC/page/n83/mode/2up

>>856649

>Your idea that every place where there was a colony, 90% of people were killed off.

I specifically sourced the 90% and never said every colonialist caused damage of 90%

>The disease did the majority of damage in places where colonists never visited

My previous sources say the would have rebounded from the diseases if they weren't enslaved to death afterwards.

>you claimed that all of this was the fault of the European Christians who did this intentionally, but somehow nobody realized this until now (all of the books you cited are from 2016 or later, except one from 1993)

I never said the diseases were intentional, only the slaver was. The damage of colonialism (this is the death from slavery of indigenous people) is well documented, i've provided plenty of sources. So what if the books i cited are from that era. It was the fault of Christian Europeans, were the Spanish not Christian?

>And this is supposedly why you argue people should join BLM.

I never said anything about joining BLM.

> But what if these books are just the result of communists, such as those behind BLM, paying to have books written to misrepresent facts?

>For instance, there is something called the "1619 project

>These books you cite could very well be similar projects to that.

We can "what if" forever, Prove it then. Also you have confirmation bias. So debunk my sources if they're so obviously wrong, and i don't mean to pointing out that a Marxist wrote it or something and claim victory. Prove they're lies if they are.

>If these books truly tell the real story of history, why is it that nobody realized these things, which were so obvious, until the last few years, in 2016 and 2019?

It's common knowledge that colonialism/slavery was bad, this is taught in American schools.

>You were saying it was all the fault of Christians simply for believing the Bible and that people should "go on a rampage" against us.

>I guess that means going into churches and hurting people or something like that.

Wow, you're a wrong and malicious liar, i never once said or implied for people to go on a rampage against us (i am also Christian) or attack people in churches. How stupid would that be to advocate violence against a group i belong to.

>That's not the point.

It's definitely related to the brutality of colonialism, which is the entire point of this conversation.

>But that's not the same as being pro-slave though.

Yes it is, colonialism includes slavery, what do you think happened after they passed the diseases.Without the slavery that followed indigenous people would have recovered their population.

>Roger Williams, for instance

I don't doubt it, but that is one instance compared to a history of well documented colonialism. Also black slaves were also given the bible, it doesn't mean they were given their freedom.

I am a Christian, but many Japanese do not understand the difference between Judaism and Christianity, and israelis believe in Jesus Christ.

In addition, I think that foreigners in the European civilization area are Christians, business owners and vagrants.

Japanese Christians make up less than 1% of the population. This is partly due to the mismatch between Japanese religious views close to the Christianity of the pastoral races in the wilderness and the Aminaism of the Southern Ocean,

The export of Japanese slaves by missionaries and merchants in the 16th century inspired Christians as kid-naps in the deep psychology of the Japanese ethnic level.

The japanese say no religion refers to ainism that has penetrated to the level of daily life. It's not atheism.

Shinto and Buddhism remained in Japan after World War II, and the people were able to make a choice.

Have african colonies and the Philippines' underlying faith been eradicated? There is a large percentage of Christians.

Would they have abandoned Christianity if there was a place to go?

A BLM person with a narrow vision who says black people are victims and whites are perpetrators says there is no problem because Christianity is innocent?

Even if you have a narrow field of view, your mind is wide.

As a foreigner, I think that the fear of white people who believe that black people will be revenged is the cause of the racism problem.

I also acknowledge that the BLM movement is fueled by communists behind the scenes.

Communism is very compatible with neo-liberals. Label critics racist, using the brainy weak and the good as human shields.

Smart communist instigators harvest the berries. It's my most hated way. These are abominable people. People with a head to think about in Japan dislike them.

>>856620

>it killed off around 90% of certain other race's population

I don't know which race you're talking about but I'm not going to watch 25 minutes of propaganda to verify this claim that probably isn't true anyways.

In the Americas, Catholicism brought written language, philosophy, ethics, sanitation, technology, and an end to barbaric practices like human sacrifice and cannibalism. You can complain all you want about the conquistadors killing and punishing the natives but at the end of the day, they deserved it because they had committed those same deeds and worse against each other. You're a moron if you think conquest is something unique to Christianity. It's not. Every single race on every patch of land on this entire planet has killed, conquered, pillaged, enslaved, etc. some other race for any reason they could find. It's ironic that the Aztecs glorified these things and wrote down countless stories of how to pillaged conquered and killed off other tribes while idiots like you try to paint the Aztecs as peaceful innocent victims of terrible invaders from across the ocean. The only thing unique about Christianity in regards to conquest is that Christians were so much better at it than everybody else on the planet.

Because they were primarily concerned with spreading their religion, they also reshaped the cultures they conquered into objectively better cultures.

Human rights aren't real. The world owes nobody a living. You just look like a dumbass to me standing on your moral high horse and bitching about how Christians did the one thing that literally all races/religions/nations also did all throughout history.

t. a native mexican

>>856742

I guess God was being a hypocrite and a barbarian when he ordered the Israelites to kill off and conquer the Canaanites. You should tell Him that what He did was wrong. I'm sure He would appreciate you correcting Him on this matter.

>>856743

We Mexicans are no longer sacrificing our children to false gods and I am forever grateful to the conquistadors for bringing about that change. It doesn't matter that Mexico isn't as rich as Spain and Mexico's economic issues in modern times can't be pinned on events that happened more than three centuries ago.

>>856753

>We Mexicans are no longer sacrificing our children to false gods and I am forever grateful to the conquistadors for bringing about that change.

Obviously that's one tiny good part from the massive damage, there are much better ways to convert.

>It doesn't matter that Mexico isn't as rich as Spain and Mexico's economic issues in modern times can't be pinned on events that happened more than three centuries ago.

They're still dependent on the US, it's called neocolonialism. https://nearshoreamericas.com/latam-dependence-us-trade/

https://archive.is/PvJmu

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/neocolonialism-latin-america

https://archive.is/TGnpg

>>856753

>You should tell Him that what He did was wrong.

I forgive you for suggesting that I do something wicked, may our Lord and Savior have mercy on your soul. And may you be recovered from the snare of the devil, and taken out of the gall of bitterness and bonds of iniquity. Amen!

>>856757

You don't have to forgive me. I'm not sorry. You should repent for calling God a hypocrite though.

>>856755

The highly secularized US of A is screwing over Mexico? Tell me more about how this is entirely The Catholic Church's fault.