/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

>>7626

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvYmE2YYIU

>>7768

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Amen

>>7564

I'll keep being an Arian, and you keep being a pagan

>>7601

It's not that hard Patrick

>>11308

"I want to get out of secularism asap as it's a sinking ship."

The hell are you talking about? Seculars are rising every year.. the ship is sailing just fine.

A book does not prove that their idea of a God is true. There is no logic to that statement. I can claim the same thing with any book given that logic. I just came here because I'm surprised a place like 8chan actually has a christian board of all things.

>>11308

>trinity

Agustinian approach may work for you OP. This is not strictly agustinian but analogies of the mind worked for me:

Think of a man, or a man's mind. Clearly, a man is one and indivisible (no multiple personality disorder) but he is not unifaceted either. The man decapitating his enemies wth his sword and the man playing and smiling with his child are the same man, but are cleary not the same man either. Christ is one facet, the Father is another.

>the bible

A reasonable explanation is that the assembly of all believers, the "ekklessia", guided by God, declared to have faith that the Bible (which is not A book, but a mosaic of many books and layered interpretations) is the true word of God. Hence why the catholic, orthodox and protestant bibles are slightly divergent between themselves as their faithful disagree on contentious points. To a greater degree, that can be applied to the marcionite Bible and the gnostic Bible, vastly more divergent, and the jewish bible, even more divergent. You can't be certain of it, but that's what the christians have faith to be the truth (in their cath/prot/orthodox flavour, even marcionite and jewish) that will help them inherit the world to come. By their fruits they shall be judged.

>>11490

Why wouldn't there be a Christian board?

>>11438

>>11408

Great apologetics, man. Proud Catholic here.

>>11308

Ask Jesus to become personal to you.

>>11785

>What are your thoughts on this faith?

According to St. Nicholas of Japan, "the Buddhism is the best among the pagan religions, Herculean pillars of the human efforts to make a religion by following the dark remnants of God-revealed truth preserved among the nations after the scattering at Babylon". It should be noted, however, that the Buddhism has many different forms because it is highly adaptable to the customs of the various nations and some forms of Buddhism are far from being "the best among the pagan religions".

>>11805

> christ religion give focus on the world outside while Buddhism look inside

It seems this is true only for the major types of Western Christianity. The Orthodox Christianity does not have outward focus. "For behold, the kingdom of God is inside of you" (Luke 17:21) and "pay attention that you do not practice you righteousness in front of the people to be seen by them" (Matthew 6:1).

There is some truth in the Buddhist theory about the cause of the suffering. Moreover, there are some similarities between the practices according the Noble Eightfold Path of Buddhism and the so called "mortification of the passions" of the Orthodox Christianity. Notice that while the word "passion" in the modern language means "strong emotion, anger, lust", originally it meant "suffering" (wherefore the expressions "passion of Christ" and "Passion Week"). This is because our passions make us suffer. While in the Western Christianity people restrain from sins in order to obey God's commandments and be justified at the Last judgment, in the Orthodox Christianity the God's commandments are like medicine prescription. While in the Western Christianity salvation means admission in the heavens, in the Orthodox Christianity salvation means healing from all suffering and becoming able to have bliss. While in the Western Christianity the suffering of the souls in the hell is punishment by God, in the Orthodox Christianity the suffering of the souls in the hell is caused by their oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11805

> Buddha NEVER said there is no god or confirm there is god, he just said it's not importance for have happiness of mind

And here we come to the fundamental difference between Buddhism and all forms of Christianity. The Buddhism does the best that can be done in order to save without God the man. True salvation without God, however, is impossible. Therefore, the Buddhist path is a path leading to self-destruction. According to Buddhism any desire leads to suffering, any attraction leads to suffering, etc., therefore the Buddhism teaches us to destroy our emotions, desires, etc., to destroy absolutely anything which makes you your very self.

I am unaware of any official statement about this in the Western Christianity, but the popular theory is that some of the faculties of our soul are good and others are bad. For example the love is good and the anger is bad.

In the Orthodox Christianity all faculties of our soul are created by God and good. It is not our ability to desire, to be attracted, to hate, etc. what causes us to suffer but rather the bad state of these faculties. The men are detached from God, they are immersed in worldly matters. Therefore, we desire what we can not have, we want to do what we can not do, we hate what we can not fight. We are totally unable to transcend above the world, our state is hopelessness. Probably the best one can do in such a state is what the Buddhism proposes. This, however, is not nearly enough. Therefore, Christ, the Son of God descends and comes to us in order to give us a path leading to true salvation.

One of the pillars in the Orthodox theology is that the descent of the Son of God is not just in appearance in order to communicate some theory. The Son of God, being eternal God is born as man and actually becomes man. In Christ the human becomes linked with the divine, his human mind enlightened with divine knowledge, his human will perfectly aligned with his divine will, his human emotions in divinely perfect state. Through the union in Christ of God and man (including the death) the descent of the Holy Spirit and the unionPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11785

Genuinely one of the worst paganisms.

The praise for detachedness means it's completely lacking in love.

>>11818

>Can you help save many souls from destruction at /ran21/?

Do I know what policy is correct? No, I don't. Do I have a haughty mind? Yes, I have a haughty mind which thinks it knows what is good and what is bad. If I go at /ran21/ I will be a blind man who doesn't realize his blindness but asks the others to follow him.

Do I have strong love for everyone? No and how can I have love for the others when I don't have love even for myself and always harm myself by sinning. If I go at /ran21/ I will love those who think like me and I will hate those who don't think like me.

>or maybe it's useless to use logos with them at the first place

Sometimes it helps to remind the people things they know but try to forget.

>>11768

me 2 :)

>make a list of at least 14 people you know

I'm out

Happy New Years and God bless!

>>11776

Happy New Year to you everyone else. Many the light of Christ shine brightly in your lives in the year ahead.

>>11768

Even if He doesn't, we are at least one decade closer. There is still hope.

You do neither because truth is knowable. We have general revelation and we have special revelation. The various cosmological arguments logically prove the existence of a creator, have you not encountered those yet? The best writer on this is William Lane Craig.

The only condition for the holy ghost to indwell you is salvation, and you are saved when you ask for it through Jesus.

>>11799

Through prayer comes certainty, there is a heterodox gnosis and orthodox gnosis. We know this from the witness of the saints such as Meister Eckhart, Jakob Boehme, Gregory Palamas and so forth each corresponding to a specific Christian tradition. It isn't easy but so is philosophy, science and so forth.

>>10429

>>10428

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed#Christian_Identity_movement

So our /pol/nigger friend is an adept of a gnostic-originated theory that even other CI heretics find odd.

Mods, can we please ban this faggot, if only for promoting gross heretical bulls—?

>>11671

You're quoting six month old posts you goober

Antizionism is not the same as antisemitism. Both those born as a jew and those that are of the Jewish faith are our brethren in humanity. All forms of racism are abhorrent and inherently antichristian. Repent.

>>11750

>brethren in humanity

Luke 8:21 NASB — But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

Amen

And to the other anons who say otherwise, feck off idiots, of course we’re not talking about those who genuinely converted (which are very few as many who do claim to be converted still can’t let go of the Old Testament laws completely or are Zionists) and we’re not saying we shouldn’t preach the gospel to them.

>>7211

Lmao

>>7791

For me, the easiest lifestyle change I've made in the past half decade is listening to Bible Broadcasting Network stations on FM radio. It is so cozy and encouraging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Broadcasting_Network

God help all of us

>>2571

Can someone fix the spelling in this

>>7576

Aren't Trump and Satan quite similar?

>>7631

Tell them that heaven has strict border controls so why shouldn't we/

>>7577

this

Neither tobacco nor caffeine are intoxicating. There is nothing wrong in that aspect with those substances.

If you're not honoring your body as a temple, especially with tobacco, you sure need to stop.

However, salvation is NOT contingent on works, and the Christian will be fighting with sin constantly his whole life. Your salvation is not in peril because you use these things. You are saved by faith.

>>11669

>Neither tobacco nor caffeine are intoxicating.

In average tobacco takes away 11 years of your life.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61720-6/fulltext

>>11663

First, don't get disturbed by anything. Once a saint said "at the disturbance the enemy stays and at the peace – God stays". Don't be disturbed even if you can't break your bad habits right now. Just wait for the moment when you will feel an inspiration in your hearth telling you "now is the time to finally be free of this". And act accordingly with no fear. When you have to do something according to God's will, even if it seems difficult at first, it ends with relief (unlike what the devil suggests us to do, which seems very desirable at first but ends miserably).

And by the way, there are other, even more important things, you'll have to change in your life as a Christian. Just have faith that God loves you and be grateful that in proper time you will be given the option to put off your old man, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. (Ephesians 4:22-24)

>Don't you think it's important for me to stop these activities to get to heaven, Brothers?

Unfortunately, the various Christian denominations have very different opinions about the requirements for our salvation.

It is my understanding that according to the Catholicism, our salvation requires proper balance between good and evil. For example, I think the official Catholic catechism speaks only against excessive use of tobacco but not against the use of tobacco in principPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>11672

>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61720-6/fulltext

https://www.integration.samhsa.gov/pbhci-learning-community/Jha_et_al_-2013-_21st_Century_Hazards_of_Smoking_and_Benefits_of_Cessati....pdf

>>11672

Intoxication means it puts you in an abnormal state like drugs or alcohol

>>11663

https://youtu.be/AS3qrvKanug

Jesus was a man of sorrows

He doesn't need a Nintendo Switch. :)

I will not accept calves from your house

nor young he-goats from your folds,

because all wild animals of the forest are mine,

beasts on the mountains and cattle.

I know all the birds of the air,

and a field’s beauty is with me.

“If I am hungry, I will not tell you,

for the world is mine and its fullness.

Surely, I shall not eat flesh of bulls

or drink blood of he-goats?

Offer to God a sacrifice of praise,

and pay your vows to the Most High.

And call on me in a day of affliction,

and I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.”

>>11546

I remembered the following beautiful hymn by St. Ephrem the Syrian (4th century).

The Lord is a wise giver. He looks at the benefit of the petitioner, and as soon as he sees that what he asks is harmful, or at least useless to him, he does not fulfil the request and refuses the imaginary benefit. He listens to every prayer, and he whose prayer is not fulfilled receives from the Lord as much a saving gift as he whose prayer is fulfilled.

Whether a needy or a debtor come to the Good One, he will give to the former and he will forgive the latter. Therefore, both depart from the door of the Giver with gifts: the needy receives deliverance from the need, and the debtor – the abandonment of the debt.

In all possible ways God shows that he is a gracious giver: he gives us his love and shows us his mercy. Which is why he does not answer any wrong prayer, the fulfilment of which would bring us death and destruction.

However, even in this case, by denying the requested, he does not leave us without a very useful gift; for the very fact that he removes from us the harmful, he already opens for us the door of his generosity.

Be assured, therefore, that every petition which is not granted is certainly injurious; and that petition which is heard is beneficial. The giver is just and good, and he will not leave your petitions unfulfilled, because In his goodness there is no malice, and in his righteousness there is no envy.

>>11546

That’s not how God works.

You steal a Nintendo switch and ask for forgiveness.

/s

>>11547

Good post

>>6684

>No. The proof is the word kecharitomine.

The evidence that the word should be understood to mean "immaculately conceived" is the connotation, based on the quotations provided in the article:

<However, I still haven't really gotten to my argument: whatever the denotation of "chaire, Kecharitomene," its connotation, what it actually meant to ancient Greek-speakers, is why it is communicating precisely that Mary was immaculately conceived.

You're not addressing the arguments I presented

>>6669

>>6666

>>6672

numbers confirm!

>>6641

No. That's completely wrong. Those statements are only true about Jesus Himself. Mary was just a woman who was blessed by God, but not any more special or holy than any other Christian woman.

>While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

>He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Matthew 12:46-50

>>11670

This

He's definitely correct about the Reformation also being a musical reformation, but wrong about implying it ended there. The Reformation sought to reform and alter every aspect of society into a more Christian standard.

>>7889

Orthodoxy already had that

>>7997

Show us

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