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bdfa42 No.10274 [Open thread]

What would the world look like without the protestant reformation?

Here's what it would be like:

>No 30 years war. millions of lives saved

>no upheaval, europe better able to fight off ottomans and Balkans never fall to Muslim control

>Crusades continue, Christendom takes back Constantinople and most of the Near East. Deus Vult!

>The Roman church was itself aware of many of the faults called out by the reformers and would have probably taken action even if the “protestants” had not taken such a vocal stand against them.

>With Islam defeated, a united Christian Europe goes on to convert the world to Christianity

>Catholic America never legalizes slavery, as a result America is sill a white country

>Prussia never arises, as a result there is no German empire and World War I and World War II never occurs

>Without WWI there is no Russian revolution and communion never arises.

>Modernism, postmodernism never arise, there is no sexual revolution and the breakdown of the family never occurs

>A more peaceful, happier world emerges in the 20th century

Deus Vult!!!

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dd7bfa No.10409

>>10289

this. Luther lived unlike John Hus who sought reform in his age

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c872af No.10434

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>>10333

Indeed.

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8cdde2 No.10443

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>>10274

>.What would the world look like without the protestant reformation?

Brazil, Mexico, or Burkina Faso. Not really a world I want to live in.

Catholic butthurtposting is so tiresome.

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56be50 No.10446

>>10443

>Brazil, Mexico, or Burkina Faso. Not really a world I want to live in.

seriously , if catholics like it so much they should move to mexico city

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61c493 No.10565

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>>10299

<Strange that theyre were considered rightwing extremists by anyone with brains

<but please, regal me with an explanation as to how the Puritans were "liberal"

>>10326

<used to only entertain that idea for the sake of fairness when engaging with orthos

<I know fully believe it

>>10274

<yurop and the new world would be third world shitholes

<like mexico, but far far worse

<you seem to not understand how history works as well, its not a feild of dominoes, one thing leading directly to another

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7dd0f5 No.10132 [Open thread]

surprising no one but myopic boomer church thots, josh harris is satanist. and a fag promoter, possibly a faggot himself.

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8b9f4f No.10358

>>10234

>>10232

not quite perfect, should say “i kissed Jesus”

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8b9f4f No.10360

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5b912d No.10435

>>10360

nice skills anon good job with the font over the pic

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8b9f4f No.10440

>>10435

thank you anon

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8b9f4f No.10441

the other guy did a lot more 👍🏻

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27e420 No.10244 [Open thread]

unjunstly permabanned now. what is wrong with that moderation

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3949b3 No.10362

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d72596 No.10370

Christians going mad with power and abusing said power.

>Who could had seen it coming?

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903de8 No.10371

>>10370

>Christians

Catholics*

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0419a1 No.10385

It is a badge of honor to be banned from that place.

They are not Christians, they are not Catholics, they are Roman Catholics, a satanic perversion of the Holy Catholic Church.

They are nothing but pure evil. Idolators and servants of satan. Pray for the Lord to forgive them and deliver them from their delusion. As it stands, everyone on that board is probably unsaved and depending on their own works and dead traditions to save them.

>M-maybe if I pray with my magic beads enough times…

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68f320 No.10436

>>10371

>Catholics

Romanists*

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0891fe No.3674 [Open thread]

>this triggers the Prot

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1933c7 No.10295

>>3676

Just because I don't hold her to the same status as you doesn't mean I hate her, I have no reason to, and most if not all prots don't "hate" her.

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a80199 No.10356

>>3674

For some reason, Catholics act like Mary was the only person ever blessed in history.

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4cdc7c No.10373

Friendly reminder that Marian apparitions are demonic:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx

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3476ec No.10398

When will Catholics repent from such idolatry?

Well, when they also worship papal authority (which is a satanic perversion of the true Catholic Church) I'm not really surprised, just disappointed.

Pray for them, that the Lord would deliver them from their strong delusion. Catholics are pure evil, totally incapable of turning from lies by their own power.

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ab479e No.10427

>>10373

Thanks for the link anon, some very interesting stuff in there. Its very curious that 'Mary' in these apparitions, often says things which limit the power of God or paint Jesus as unmerciful. Its also very funny that 'prophetic' apparitions such as the ones at Fatima weren't put to paper until the 'prophecies' had already been fulfilled or were presently underway. Still, Catholics like to point to this as evidence of the truth value of Marian apparitions. They also like screaming: 'but its not dogma!'. The fact of the matter is millions of Caths still believe in this shit and eat up the words of nutcases like Alphonsus Liguari, being led astray from the gospel in the process.

>>10398

>When will Catholics repent from such idolatry?

When they leave the Roman church. You cant be a Romanist without believing in the Marian dogmas, or the dogma of papal infallibility for instance.

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b1a446 No.581 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

The purpose of this board is to discuss Christian topics

It was started because of dissatisfaction with censorship by mods on /christian/, and that's still an issue almost 4 years later

>>2

We had a first raid today, (probably just one cross /b/ & /christian/ poster), that challenges the rule of "no censorship". Obviously spam and pornography are counter to the board purpose, but does banning and deleting provide an avenue for bias in moderation? I've concluded that it could, and in the interest of total transparency the mod practices will be as follows:

>all bans have been lifted

>anti-spam settings have been enabled (captcha to start thread, new thread limit/hour, robot9000 script)

>lewd and pornographic images will be deleted, but the post will remain

>spam threads will be locked, but not deleted so anyone can judge for themselves whether or not the post really was spam

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7be43d No.9845

>>9479

it was added

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c9555f No.10233

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Added two word filters

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1ecb57 No.10235

>>9479

>The gift of tongues is often associated with Spirit baptism, but there are other signs too and not everyone get tongues but many do.

None do. You just jibber incomprehensibly like idiots because you have no understanding of what it is you are supposed to be faking.

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c5a8d0 No.10399

>>10233

you should do the same with God and the Holy Spirit

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684d23 No.10403

>>10399

god -> God would confuse discussions related to false gods

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57ad34 No.9961 [Open thread]

Been seeing some Roman Catholics on here lately. They shouldn't be welcome on here.

Go fuck right back off to /christian/ please. Nobody wants your papism running rampant on here shitting up this whole board like how you shit up the last.

We know what Romanism does. Its like a plague. It comes in quietly at first but then it destroys everything.

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f07b6c No.10300

>>10182

>>10171

Lying is a sin. You both know what I said.

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ccf735 No.10309

>>9961

If you can’t have a proper discussion with someone you disagree with then you’re a child

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24de62 No.10316

Just remind Papists that their system suffers from strong, cognitive dissonance:

2 Maccabbees don't support purgatory. The reason why there was a sacrifice for the jews is because they died as idolaters (you cannot be redemed of that if you're already dead according catholic theology). Judeus believed he action will save the people in the day of resurrection implies that sacrifices are one time deal and the notion of soul sleep (opposed to being judged immediately after death). All of which mama Roma rejects. Oh, let's not get started how it's non-inspired using references like pope Gregory the great's commentaries.

Or how there isn't a traceable apostolic translation of the bible. Practically every church father up until and even passed Clement of Alexandria read Matthew 16:18's rock is either Christ or Peter's confession, Clement just gives up by stating that the rock is Christ and Peter, but virtually no other early bishop held that perspective even Augustine (he said it was Jesus Christ).

The earliest witness for such a interpretation of the scripture is the commentaries of Papias (apostle John's successor) yet no early church theologian had a deep compliance for them-couple even mocked them!

The earliest claimed tradition no body;no one in the catholic church, no one in the EO church, even people on the fridges of heresy believed this is true. The tradition from Irenaeus of lyons about apparently John told to the entire churches on the eastern Mediterranean that Jesus was fifty years old. Of course, papists try to cope out by appealing to 2 Thessalonians but if anyone says that the traditions is different like we see in 1 Corinthians 11&15, Paul's argument falls apart and the "super apostles" could easily say their traditions is actually the oral tradition of the authentic apostles.

More importantly IMO is the fact that after Origen formulated the Alexandrian interpretation method, it was accepted in the churches across the roman empire. What that tell us is that not only did these congregation have these "apostolic" interpretations they also needed a methodology to understand what the apostles wrote.

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13803e No.10318

>>10300

But it's nothing but the truth to equate the words Protestant and Christian

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822146 No.10323

>>10300

The truth is not a sin.

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8dac45 No.10252 [Open thread]

Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant. What do I begome? I am planning on getting baptized since I have never gotten baptized before. What church do I choose?

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8f978e No.10293

Presbyterian babey!!!!!!!!!

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8f978e No.10294

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018819 No.10298

>>10252

Catholicism, aka the church that Jesus founded. No other churches can make this claim.

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e10b51 No.10301

>>10298

Not only can I make that claim, I contend that I am part of the Catholic church that Jesus founded while Rome is not.

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e30fc8 No.10332

Did Peter not say that "the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." or didn't Paul wrote " work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."? Both Catholics and EOs deny this and proclaim that it's through you, not God the Holy Spirit, that total sanctification can be manifested (while using the sacraments as crutches, of course).

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a2ff56 No.10163 [Open thread]

>Murderer who escaped justice by becoming a priest

>Admitted that Satan was his chief theologian

>Encouraged protties to loot the wealth of monasteries which was used to help the poor, leading to a massive underclass

>Drunkard, adulterer, and womanizer

>Added and removed parts of the bible to support his own agenda

>Was funded by greedy German princes

>Encouraged divorce

<And to top it all off his original revolution lead to the ideas that brought the French revolution, the communist revolution, and various other modernist revolutions leading us to the predicament we find ourselves in today.

How can anyone support this faggot and call themselves a "Christian"?

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2f6412 No.10209

>>10188

then what did luther do?

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61cf41 No.10210

>>10209

Gave cogent exigetical arguments without coercion

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7125f4 No.10213

>>10178

>The first two bullet points are lies

OP most be from the group Luther wrote a book about their lies.

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dc960c No.10258

When he was saying what the Bible aaid he was right, but even Jesus was tactful.

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aff6f2 No.10281

>>10210

Pretty sure he commanded the baptists of his age to be killed.

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bedbe0 No.9939 [Open thread]

Do you ever get the feeling that most Christians don't really believe in God and the bible. That they're just in it for the good community and morals? I'm not just talking about obvious cases like those churches we see with the rainbow flags - instead it seems to be that many churches, both liberal and conservative, are filled with congregation and even pastoral staff that don't actually believe in God.

Theology that would be no different without God

I'm not basing this on the way anyone acts, I understand that all fall short. It's more the theology - a lot of the pop theology going around at churches actually seems to present a view that nullifies God.

For example:

The popular saying:

>God answers prays yes, no or wait

How is that different from if you were praying and there was no God. If God didn't exit, you would still get what you prayed for sometimes, not get it other time, and have to wait other times. This belief is no different from the way the world would be if God doesn't exist.

In a world where God exists, if a prayer isn't answered, it should mean that something went wrong and prayers should be answered yes more often than not. - unanswered prayers should be an aberration that causes concern.

Another was from my cousin who is a junior Charismatic pastor he said something along the lines of:

>prayer doesn't change things; it changes me

And I just thought, that seems no different from how prayer would work in a world that God doesn't exist.

It's almost like they don't really think God exists or cares, but want to believe he does, so they go about creating a theology that would be equally true whether God exists or not.

In fact a lot of ChriPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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018448 No.10190

>>9942

Catholics are modernists. Every one of their traditions came long after the early (Ante-Nicene) Church and the Apostles.

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a65ae9 No.10220

>>10189

You are making the classic Papist mistake of anthropomorphizing God. God is beyond comprehension and prayer isn't like a telephone; to suggest it is (or to suggest your communicate with have any impact on God) diminishes God as it implies fallibility and ignorance . You pray to God because God in his apparent revealed preferences (via scripture) stated you should pray (or more accurate, you should recite some words generally pro forma using some sort of template as a small sacrifice of your time; that is all we know). Outside that you pray for your own comfort; a comfort in that you are obedient to God and as such God will come through for you in the end.

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bf9513 No.10221

>That they're just in it for the good community and morals?

Not even that. Many of them are in it because it just so happens to currently benefit them (modern, hip churches make them look cool and give them opportunities to hang out with other young people, sometimes they can post "radical" Church-y posts on social media for approval, etc.)

And then later they come out as gay or announce that they leave the faith entirely, because they finally decided that the faith no longer benefits them or their image as "cool" or "profound." And that's all it was ever about since day one. Their own image.

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bf9513 No.10222

>God answers prays yes, no or wait

>How is that different from if you were praying and there was no God. If God didn't exit, you would still get what you prayed for sometimes, not get it other time, and have to wait other times. This belief is no different from the way the world would be if God doesn't exist.

That's a little different though, because you may ask me for things, and I may say either yes, no, or wait. That doesn't mean you don't believe I exist.

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aea0ee No.10268

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>>10220

>You are making the classic Papist mistake of anthropomorphizing God.

I dont see how I am doing that because I stated God actually cares that we pray. I understand that God is not 'rational' or 'creaturely' in any sense, and is incorporeal, and have never held an anthropomorphic view of Him.

>God is beyond comprehension and prayer isn't like a telephone; to suggest it is (or to suggest your communicate with have any impact on God) diminishes God as it implies fallibility and ignorance.

Firstly, I never suggested prayer was like a telephone, or levied any 'changing effect' on God to violate His immutable character. I am aware of this argument, and agree that the immutability of God must be true if he is omniperfect. However, if things that 'impact' God diminish Him, then how do we deal with the trove of references in the bible to God reacting with strong emotion to disobedience or obedience? Are they there to help us understand Him by relating to Him? Or did God really 'feel' those things about certain actions in his own way?

>You pray to God because God in his apparent revealed preferences (via scripture) stated you should pray

It feels stupid that we are even disagreeing, because you obviously believe God knows prayer to be good for humans, and commands them to pray, and answers prayer. If people held this in contempt or refused to do it, would God really not have any reaction? He did in the OT about exactly this point many times when Israel prayed to other Gods and was adulterous. I am not saying He 'cares' in the same way we care, or is affected by events here in a temporal sense. I am saying that in His own way, He loves it when humans have freely chosen Him and follow Him (prayer included), and hates the converse. I think we need to be careful when we talk about what is meant for God to be 'impacted', as some definitions would lead you to the conclusion that because creation itself impacted God (He had to 'act' to create), it must have caused a change/diminishing in His perfect state, making the act of creation sub-optimal. I have heard people say this.

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f5986e No.10237 [Open thread]

Our ancestors were instructed to exterminate them when we moved into Canaan, and when they did not do so they were warned of the harm that would come to them as a result. And even in modern times we still see people like Hitler being too kind to jews, trying to deport them rather than simply killing them all, the same mistake our ancestors made. Are we still supposed to kill them, or is it too late for that? Is being stuck with jews our permanent punishment for not obeying God and destroying them when He told us to?

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6ae5e6 No.10241

>when we moved into Canaan

WE WUZ ISRAELITES LMAO

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f5986e No.10242

>>10241

Yeah yeah, we've heard your desperate lies a million times rabbi.

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eb9981 No.10262

>>10241

>WE WUZ ISRAELITES LMAO

Yes the Black Hebrew Israelites

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ba52b9 No.10191 [Open thread]

The bible repeatedly uses clear and obvious allegory and metaphor all over the place. The authors of the bible never suggest it is literal, or the word of God. How is a letter from Paul to some Christians the word of God? It is the word of Paul. How do literalists decide which parts must be literal and which are ok to interpret metaphorically?

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830a50 No.10198

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ba52b9 No.10202

>>10197

We've already concluded this discussion. You are not a literalist, so you can not answer for literalists. I have no interest in discussing the historical-grammatical method, I already understand why idiots do that, I have no questions to ask you.

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830a50 No.10204

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>>10202

Couldn't find anybody, huh buddy?

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11c6db No.10219

I think a lot of it boils down to common sense and reading passages in context.

Obviously some things are hyperbole or metaphor, but there are too many people who like to take verses with direct meaning and try to twist them to suit their own means.

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ba52b9 No.10236

>>10219

It seems much more like it is just a refusal to understand the bible, and a deep desire to cling to the incorrect and absurd understanding they gained through pop culture. Like how some of them will insist that Adam and Eve ate an apple, because that's how it is portrayed in pop culture.

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9b7207 No.9792 [Open thread]

>liberals

>christian

http://archive.is/OK8aT#selection-1213.5-1213.61

<Churches across the US are fighting back against the Trump administration’s mandate to ramp up deportations with new sanctuary practices of their own, using private homes in their congregations as shelter and potentially creating a modern-day underground railroad to ferry undocumented immigrants from house to house or into Canada.

<Church leaders from California to Illinois and New York told BuzzFeed News they’re willing to take their sanctuary operations for undocumented immigrants underground should federal immigration authorities, emboldened by Trump’s recent directives to take a harder line on deportations, ignore precedent and raid their campuses.

Connected churches/groups:

-United Church of Christ

-Episcopal diocese of LA

-"LA Voice"

-Presbyterian Church USA

-"ISAIAH", a Minnesota group

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6638f8 No.10108

>>10104

itching ears

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566951 No.10120

>>9864

You are a heretic. A random homeless person in your community isn't some negro who comes in and wants to loot and act as a massive parasite leeching off the community.

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6638f8 No.10125

>>9864

>whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine,

John 1:12 NASB — But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

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d9b176 No.10157

>>9792

The mixture of Christianity and politics is toxic. You are using your faith to advance interests of avarice and lust. In this sense, you are placing your self-interest above God. One's faith should be separate to their political decisions, decisions of which should be following Realpolitik.

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aa808a No.10217

>>9792

>>9802

These are the same kind of churches that later come out in support of LGBT or have gay pastors, deny core tenets, etc.

You will know them by their fruits.

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413e5a No.9805 [Open thread]

Guys I found a loophole. If you get 2 people together and pray to ask Jesus to forgive you for not believing in him you can be atheist and still get into heaven.

Find a flaw. Protip: you can't

https://biblehub.com/matthew/18-19.htm

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413e5a No.9918

checks out to be honest

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ca6e55 No.10000

>>9853

Hurray for legalism and all the ways to find work arounds!

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413e5a No.10011

>>10000

YOUR GET HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED

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bf0cf2 No.10200

>>10000

quads

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90e3cc No.10206

>>9806

>Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts

No idea what that means, but luckily I found a non-archaic translation

<When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

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b0376d No.9740 [Open thread]

Reminder the nazis were not exactly atheists who decided to kill all the jews for no reason, there had been 1000 years of catholic oppression of the jews first and the church courted the Nazi high leadership

who could go to the Catholic Church for advice about what is right and what is wrong after they have shown such bad judgement?

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6753fd No.9945

>>9928

Romanism is a false pagan religion that damns millions of souls to hell that's something wrong with it

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e89eb9 No.9962

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>>9740

>Supporting National Socialism is bad!

I think you're lost, friend.

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2d5cfa No.10159

>>9740

Separation of Church and State – one should not use their religious beliefs to advance political aims because that would be using your faith to meet selfish interests, primarily interests of power. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." National Socialism is secular and compatible with core Christian tenets. The two work together where the other lacks like yin and yang. A National Socialist state would influence the Church as much as the Church would influence the state, and there would be harmony between the two as long as the state does not intentionally meddle in the affairs of the other.

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027741 No.10181

>>10159

>Separation of Church and State

Was invented by "Enlightenment" degenerates. In medieval Christianity, and in all traditional societies before that, they were inseparable, religion legitimized the state, and the state (army) protected religion. From Vedic India, over ancient Mesopotamia, to the Greco-Romans the hierarchy was always clergy > army > everyone else, though the clergy did not meddle in state affairs. I approve of National Socialism for the most part, but it isn't the be-all-end-all, and if we want to live in accordance with our natures a more refined solution is needed, for me at least. Fact is also, Hitler was an atheist.

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e39c57 No.10205

>>9750

>>9891

So what, because you disagree with their politics then regime change in Germany ought to have been the primary objective of the vatican in your mind? They should risk the ability to reach German Catholics and refuse to carry out one of their primary duties (administering the sacraments) if a German Catholic was also a member of the armed forces (which was often compulsory)? By that logic high ranking members of the church should refuse to ever meet with any government official, and priests would be prohibited from administering mass for any servicemember in the western world; or actually make that the whole world since some combination of usury, sodomy, heresy, and other grievous sins and errors are codified into secular law literally everywhere.

Sounds like you just worship at the altar of worldly power and are more concerned that they pursue your favoured Jewish political goals than if they save people's souls and foster faith in Christ.

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bcc0f0 No.9922 [Open thread]

Young earth creationists and biblical literalists

What was the antediluvian world like? Other than longer lifespans how was the world before the flood different from the world after the flood?

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406bc8 No.10122

>>10102

>So? That doesn't mean the ages of creation are days.

Those are the kind of days Exodus 20:11 is talking about.

>"Everyone knows" is meaningless nonsense.

I'm saying everyone knows in the sense that everyone agrees it's wrong. I could have said everyone here knows. And so to say or pretend that's my position (which I ask everyone in this thread not to do) is a strawman. That is the point of me saying this. But it seems like you missed that.

>Suggesting that knowing the meaning of words is redefining them is simply a lie.

You have an incorrect teaching of what these words in question mean and are using it to spread false doctrines about. This is one of the main methods used to create new false doctrine. See it all the time.

>No, it says the years he ages were nine hundred and thirty.

The Bible says in Genesis that all the days of his life were nine hundred and thirty years.

>You are clearly not concerned about the truth of the bible, you are only concerned about the interpretation one translator gave of it.

It's funny because Genesis 5:5 literally says all the DAYS of his life, and that has to include starting from the first day he lived. Meanwhile you haven't presented a single reason to think why this isn't so, all you've done is try to redefine words.

>It stops giving ages when people are born.

You're just disagreeing for the sake of it at this point. My explanation already shows exactly how you can get from the geneologies of Genesis 5 and 11 through to Cyrus in 539 BC with no gaps.

If you'd like to actually get into that, I always can, and I am glad to get into specifics with you on this Biblical timetable. But you aren't bringing any specifics, but are just disagreeing with me for the sake of appearance. Just to say that the Bible is somehow wrong and to posture on every point as if you had a reason when you donPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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b7df1f No.10138

>>10122

>Those are the kind of days Exodus 20:11 is talking about.

That's your premise, not evidence to support it.

>You have an incorrect teaching of what these words in question mean

Then explain why your beloved and perfect translation agrees with me? The word yom is translated as several different words in every single english translation. You do not have a logically consistent position. If the word yom must mean day, then your translation is wrong by your own standard. And Paul clearly states that God's "day" of rest is still happening in his time in Hebrews 4. We're still in the Lord's "day" 7 right now.

>My explanation already shows exactly how you can get from the geneologies of Genesis 5 and 11 through to Cyrus in 539 BC with no gaps.

But your explanation ignores the fact that you don't have any such genealogy. The same word is used for both son and descendant. Most of the lineage given it is unclear as to which meaning is intended.

>Not a single, solitary example.

Words used for yom in NASB:

afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day's (6), day's every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days' (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), vPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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24a5cf No.10139

>>10138

>Words used for yom in NASB:

>afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1)

Spot the outlier

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b7df1f No.10183

>>10139

If the word only means day, then the list should read "day". Every single english translation renders it as multiple other words based on context. Every hebrew dictionary and scholar that has ever existed also says it means multiple things. So the premise that it must always mean day and nothing else is obviously false.

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406bc8 No.10266

>>10138

>That's your premise, not evidence to support it.

You already admitted that the sabbath day is a day. I'm supposed to assume you take that admission back now?

>The word yom is translated as several different words in every single english translation.

You still haven't given me a single example, and it shouldn't be hard for you to get one. Until then, what's the point in going back and forth when you should be able to bring an example.

>And Paul clearly states that God's "day" of rest is still happening in his time in Hebrews 4.

What verse? Hebrews 4:8 says it's talking about "another day." That again is a specific day, not an aeon-length mystical "seventh day" that continues until now.

>But your explanation ignores the fact that you don't have any such genealogy. The same word is used for both son and descendant.

Genesis 5 and 11 state exactly how old each of the men when the child was born and exactly how many years beyond that they lived. It goes on like that in a closed chain from Adam to Terah. There is no gap here, your point isn't even relevant in the face of this level of information in the first place.

>Most of the lineage given it is unclear as to which meaning is intended.

Doesn't even matter because it says how old each one was when the next one was born.

>Words used for yom in NASB:

The NASB removes the words "without a cause" from Matthew 5:22. It also removes the words "for them that trust in riches" from Mark 10:24. It is a bad translation, I'd never use it.

The NASB also changes Isaiah 63:16 where it says "thy name is from everlasting." In the NASB the words are changed to "from of old is Your name."

"Of old" and everlasting are not the same thing. I don't accept their supposed translation that was likely influenced by the exact same guys. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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